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Truth and Memory: The Credulous Brain


Society & Culture  (tags: memory, memory mnipulation, media, truth, reality, prejudice )

RC
- 2502 days ago - nytimes.com
]A look at how our brains remember, and how over memories often become distorted. Powerful reminder of how human frailty, initial opinion and media manipulation shape what we think is true and what we think we "know".



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RC deWinter (418)
Friday June 27, 2008, 2:18 am
I debated about the category for this story...science or society? I finally opted for society. While there is a scientific base for the story, the real message is that many of our beliefs and viewpoints reach their final incarnations shaped not by reality but by external influences. Fascinating stuff!
 

Dolores H. (2)
Friday June 27, 2008, 3:59 am
Very interesting article Cate. Yes, repetition sadly means truth/credibility. It's best to always look at the source and research for facts.

Coca-Cola doesn't make a good paint thinner? Damn . . . LOL!
 

Ken S. (38)
Friday June 27, 2008, 4:28 am
So the biggest and boldest lies get the best results in minipulating the "unwashed masses"...so that is why they lie like pigs in s*it, even when challenged, afterwards they STILLl repeat the same lie.....Here I thought they were just Lying Bulls*it artists, hey I was right all along...It's just they are using science to aid their lying....to get into office, and the nose in the trough...It doesn't say much for the voters intelligence...and it is not only in your country...it is in Australia too...
 

RC deWinter (418)
Friday June 27, 2008, 4:35 am
LOL Ken...I am sure this phenomenon exists world-wide, and WE THE SHEEPLE are manipulated by it every day.
 

Hans L. (958)
Friday June 27, 2008, 5:35 am
Thanks Cate great story!
This phenomenon, known as source amnesia, can also lead people to forget whether a statement is true. Even when a lie is presented with a disclaimer, people often later remember it as true. This realy exists world wide!
Check this comment in the Human rights group the governments in this world are doing such a great job that people start believing what they tell even people who have a IQ that should be able to check the messages!
The activists in Austria are innocent that much is true....otherwise they would have charged them!
Hasn't some Austrian judge signed arrest warrents - supposedly after reviewing the evidence presented by the police to document that indeed there was legal reason fot the arrests ? And doesn't the continued imprisonment have to be reviewed at some interval ?

Or do you suppose they sent in the anti terror squad just for fun ?

How can you be so sure that the so called "activists" are NOT criminals ?

Or do you beleive arson, vandalism, assault, harassment, threats, stalking, theft etc. is legal when done for a "righthous cause" ?

In a civilized society guilt isn't judged by political parties, NGOs or petitioners, but by the courts of LAW.

Why not wait and see what the Austrian courts have to say ?

But in Kenia they say:Kihooko kiunaga uta mugeete - The Truth is Stronger than Weapons !
 

Joycey B. (750)
Friday June 27, 2008, 6:05 am
Thanks for another great story Cate.
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Friday June 27, 2008, 6:55 am
Very interesting Cate. Noted with thanks
 

Mara G. (411)
Friday June 27, 2008, 8:49 am
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
 

Mara G. (411)
Friday June 27, 2008, 8:49 am
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
YES, we are manipulated by it every day.
 

Mara G. (411)
Friday June 27, 2008, 8:51 am
Thanks Cate, important read for everyone!
Thanks Cate, important read for everyone!
Thanks Cate, important read for everyone!
Thanks Cate, important read for everyone!
Thanks Cate, important read for everyone!
Thanks Cate, important read for everyone!

 

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday June 27, 2008, 9:45 am
Ron, LMFAO!!

All the years when I was a kid,
my late mother was always so terribly
sick, in and out of hospitals constantly.
Her worst years in the period, when she
came VERY close to dying, were 1969, 1970,
& 1971. I was 7, 8 and 9 years old during
those years.
I have NO memory of the 3 yr. period between
1969 and 1971. Nothing. It's a "Black Hole"
in my mind and my memory. I have crystal-clear
memories of 1968 and 1972, but nothing in between.
Of course, during the time between '69 & '71, I
knew how sick my mom was, "sick unto death" as the
Bible would say. But, as I grew older, my mind, my
brain KNEW that the period from 69 to 71 was too
traumatic for the memories to be retained, and so
my brain hit some sort of 'delete' key.
Late last year, I briefly saw a psychiatrist who
wanted to put into "Regression Therapy".........
I told him what he could go do with himself, too,
and it was a biologically-impossible suggestion...
if'n ya know what I mean.

Thanks, Cate, for yet another
fascinating post!
noted.
 

Susan L. (118)
Friday June 27, 2008, 10:19 am
Thanks Cate. Loved the piece. Noted with many thanks.
 

Mara G. (411)
Friday June 27, 2008, 10:50 am
Seriously, an important post Cate! " My Doctor once asked me if I had short term memory loss. I told him, I don't recall" Michael Jackson

You cannot currently send a star to Cate because you have done so within the last week.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 27, 2008, 11:04 am
Truth & memory is what makes us as we are.......Our thoughts, beliefs, theories, love/hate and all the rest will not be understood for another 200 hundred years. But, of course none of us will be here or rather no one will be at the rate we are destroying the earth with our "truths & memories."

So, in a sense the question is does it really matter to know more or less than we do?

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.................
 

RC deWinter (418)
Friday June 27, 2008, 11:09 am
Shut up, Ron...LOL!
 

Elle J. (276)
Friday June 27, 2008, 11:41 am
Great story, Cate! Glad my brain didn't fail me when I was overachieving my goals in school. I shudder to think of it.
 

Blacktiger P. (247)
Friday June 27, 2008, 1:39 pm
Great post Cate, I remember a game we played, Person #1 tells person #2 a "fact" within a sentence, and it is secretly told to each person in the group. The last person says what he/she heard and 9 times out of 10, had nothing to do with original that #1 whispered,to #2.The comment of "brain like a sieve" is quite appropriate in many ways.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 27, 2008, 1:53 pm
gee, maybe that explains why i'm so confused... hehehe... thanks, cate... noted...:)
 

Lyn Z. (292)
Friday June 27, 2008, 2:58 pm
duh !! noted.

Thanks Cate
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Friday June 27, 2008, 3:09 pm
I've been told that smoking marijuana can affect
your short-term..........something.
I can't remember!
 

. (0)
Friday June 27, 2008, 5:00 pm
noted thank you
 

David S. (55)
Friday June 27, 2008, 7:14 pm
So basically this means that Goebbels (and Rove) are right; the big lie does work...
 

Elaine S. (31)
Friday June 27, 2008, 7:31 pm
Cate:

Thanks for this Great Information! - Very Interesting!
 

Claire F. (67)
Friday June 27, 2008, 7:35 pm
I read that if PET Scans are taken of a Democratic brain and another of a Republican brain, there is a difference in their brians! Does anyone find this a surprize?
 

Claire F. (67)
Friday June 27, 2008, 7:37 pm
Must be that repubs can spell! Please, read brians above as brains.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday June 27, 2008, 11:14 pm
There's so much that doctors and scientist DO NOT KNOW about the brain. The brain has recuperative powers that they still cannot and won't ever be able to explain. This was an excellent article and I enjoyed it. Thanks for posting it.

 

FreeSpirit Running (324)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 6:23 am
Your posts are always of such importance to everyone Cate, so glad your back & posting again! This is such a true article, for all of us here, now what was it about?...LOL...
Much love & many blessings sweetie and to all here!
FreeSpiritRunning...
 

Merry L. (74)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 1:13 pm
GREAT COMMENTS! Thanx for the story Cate.
 

Dave Kane (308)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 1:43 pm
. . . another nail in the coffin of 'eyewitness testimony' -- the most unreliable evidence of all that is presented at trial

We humans are Very Good at one thing -- making up stories, and telling stories (ok -- two things) . . . We are not recording machines though (not most of us anyway ; )

"Life is inherently dangerous and ultimately results in death"

I think the above statement is true : ) but is it real?

ugh . . . now i have a headache ; /

See ya later : )

 

Darlene K. (361)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 2:42 pm
Noted and thank you Cate. So many variables to this issue, that I can think of several false-truths in my memory from 30 years ago, that I still feel are false. However, that is me and my brain, habits, and more. I could see this true for many in all classes of society...lol.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 3:28 pm
I once attended a symposium at Yale Law School on eyewitness evidence and testimony. It was amazing...the speaker shredded the notion that "eyewitness" stands for ANYTHING true in about 95% of incidents. I hope to goddess I never have to stand trial!
 

serge vrabec (280)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 4:04 pm
The truth is on most days i don't want to remember the absurdities i unintentionally supported in the past thinking they were true in an apathetic, disinformed state of mind. I have shut off the tv and opened up my mind to the truth that stares us all in the face everyday if we choose to have eyes to see and ears to hear. Everyone please Wake up , our planet is being attacked!!!!!!BY US!! Put down the TOXIC food(GMO,etc.), products, hygeine products,etc.,etc.,etc.If you buy products that destroy our Earth, you are part of the problem, Lets all take personal responsibility for our own lives and act now! the truth is not so easy.....sometimes... Thx Cate
 

Bruce Combs (468)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 4:14 pm
Thanks a heap for pointing this out, Cate. Or maybe not! Peace, etc., Bruce
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 4:14 pm
Serge......I agree wholeheartedly!!!!!

Sometimes what I read on here sends me into a state of making a wisecracking statement. But, in the back of my mind I'm deeply concerned over what is happening envireonmentally.......And, my concern is what my precious children will have to deal with once I'm gone.

Lord.....We all better get with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE..............
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Saturday June 28, 2008, 8:32 pm
Serge, good for you, my friend!
To quote John Prine,
"Blow Up Your TV!"
Television is a Weapon of Mass Distraction!!
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday June 29, 2008, 11:44 am
Tim........ROFL.

It is a source of distraction but, for old people it can be a source of knowing what is going on in the world and in a sense company too.......

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE......
 

Denice G. (45)
Sunday June 29, 2008, 9:13 pm
Thanks Cate.
 
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