Tuesday July 8, 2008, 3:29 pm
The article says it all for me. Go to it!

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 4:11 pm
that was good. I sent the link on. I will also vote for Obama, because I really don't have a choice except not voting.

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 4:13 pm
If I were even to vote I think I would go Obama...Now dont none of you slam me for this....LOL Not Gorilly dont you do it...LOL

Big Gorilly Hugs

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 4:16 pm
I may do the NO. I stll have a lot of thinking to do. But so far it's O bama. Thanks Cate.

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 4:23 pm
Gorilly and Joycey, I really understand...It really IS only in the hope that the Supreme Court appointments will improve that I will vote at all.

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 4:33 pm
Well..........
since we're already screwed no matter
which one of these two nimrods wins, I
guess I'll just sit back and watch the
festivities.
I'm boycotting the vote this fall.
We have a group going here called
"No in November".
If you've decided not to vote, or
can't decide whether to vote, have a
look at the group, and something might
help you in coming to a decision.

Obama vs. McCain:
Incompetence vs. Incontinence

Thanks, Cate!
noted. :-))

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 4:44 pm
I agree! Slim pickings this year.LOL

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 4:57 pm

Thanks, Cate. (so disheartened and disillusioned by what this country's become)

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 5:01 pm
I agree Cate. I will vote because it would be a terrible slap in the face to all the women who fought so hard to get us the vote. If Obama asks Hillary to run with him, and if she accepts, I will vote for her. If not, I will still vote for her. I'll write her in.

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 5:22 pm
I can only hope that the catering to those groups you have mentioned is temporary. One thing for sure, you can't change anything if your not in power and the only way I see Obama getting elected is to have a landslide victory, otherwise, the powers that be will manipulate, fudge, cheat, lie, steal the election as they have done previously.Look for the strong possibility of McCain picking the Governor of Florida as a running mate in order to get the sidetrack on those electoral votes in much the same way Jeb did for W. Who knows, if Obama were to win in a landslide, he could claim a mandate from the people and really get something done! But again I'm not very hopeful for that, it just won't be allowed to happen.

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 7:37 pm

Well said Cate. Thanks.
I registered Independent and will write in Ron Paul.

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 8:00 pm
Thanks Cate - I agree with Just Carole's sentiment - I am still at a loss and get quite sad about all the scum things that go on -- they are just pawns for the big money people.

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 8:47 pm
I really think this is the worst year for presidential candidates! We haven't any good choices! One's too old and following in footsteps I'd rather forget and is pro war, another changes his tune prior to being elected too often to please everyone (once he'd get in he'd forget about all the so called promises made during the campaign, and lastly I'd hate for Billery (if she's the vice presidential candidate, to act as interim president should anything happen.And we thought this administration was bad???

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 9:19 pm
Guess my viewpoint is different than most of the nay-sayers, here. Obama continues to stand for Hope in doing things in new ways (that will be of benefit for the greatest numbers of U.S. citizens). He simply cannot be dogmatic about the exact manner in which things will be done, because (contrary to the Bushite philosophy) the office of President isn't a dictatorship. So, depending upon many varied circumstances, time-tables and goals may need to be slightly adjusted. He could just lie, to get into office, like we usually expect a politician to do. But, Truth is his way.

As to his former pastor and church, he actually waited longer than he should have to dump them, in my opinion. Good riddance to the dead weight of that religious institution. (Although i'm thankful for his continuing Faith in Christ, i welcome his leaving the religion, itself, behind.)

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 9:37 pm
I was going to post this but then i read
"I will vote, and I will vote for smooth-talking slick NObama, but ONLY because I care about the future of the Supreme Court, and hopefully NObama won't let us down there. But marking that paper ballot under the Democratic ticket will be one of the bitterest pills I have ever had to swallow."
what an idiot....voting the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil!
unfortunately that's the mindset of alot of sheeple. i think it's pretty sad
noted and thanks Cate

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 9:48 pm
Thanks,Cate I also agree with Carole,I to am disappointed!

Tuesday July 8, 2008, 10:53 pm
No in November! A friend who is a Repub., but hates Bush and is now Obama was very surprised that I wasn't going to vote, like I'm a traitor... I don't feel like one, I feel clear that I cannot sanction these installed Presidents who allow murder under the guise of Patriotism anymore. Over a million dead from 2 rigged elections. The country/people of Iraq, and ALL our soldiers are being poisoned by Depleted Uranium in OUR dirty bombs, shelf life 4.5 Billion yrs, blowing on the wind to air YOU breath if your are in the wrong air at the wrong time. Like the whole of Iraq, a genocide of their people; like the genocide of our troops, no help from the VA if you've got Cancer, or worse, most troops are expendable. Oh, they are going to get a new G.I. bill now, no wonder they will pay for schooling now that they know they will all be dying en masse. No time for degrees and oh, the medical bills, what profits. I'm disgusted and sickened by this charade. Troops, loved ones, just say NO! Iraqi babies w/major birth defects, terrible. And our troops coming home and their families all getting horrible cancers, and the global troops will go home and have children born with birth defects also. This is disgusting to me, and no candidates left standing will stop this WAR, and they will engage us in more unending war. While your illegally taken Income Tax is taken from your wages. While you new taxes($5-$7. gas) pay for suffering done by someone, somewhere. No in November.

If Obams would have stood up for his pastor who "dared" to voice his opinion that 9/11 was an inside job, if he would have told me he would be investigating 9/11 as Kucinich would have done, then that would be a real Patriot in my eyes. A real Patriot that would not turn a deaf ear to the thousands of first responders that have died and are dying quickly of all kinds of horrible s*** because Whitman and the EPA told them the air was OK to breathe. IMHO, it's the same thing, genocide. Get rid of the witness' at Ground Zero, we don't want them to keep speaking out that they heard the explosions, that they understood the discrepancies in the offical lying story we have been fed. Neither Obama nor McCain can stand up for TRUTH, because they are ALL part of the lies. They are both on the same team, we are the saps!

I repeat, I do not feel guilty for choosing not to vote. Until we have real people counting each vote by hand in public(very easy), I refuse to be that sap anymore after 30 years of it. Our country is in a shambles, and we are not coming back, that is the reality coming home soon to the U.S.A. Nted, thanks Cate.

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 12:05 am
Well all you non voters are really gonna gonna be happy(not) when MCCain/Bush get another 4years don't vote right in another name the only ones who care will br sitting back saying SHAME ON YOU and you will deserve it I hope Obama wins we need hope/respect/someone who will work for the American people

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 2:06 am
Sandra M.'s words, "Neither Obama nor McCain can stand up for TRUTH, because they are ALL part of the lies."

Sooo true, and I ponder on..., what does an American voter do with that choice.... Personally, as an ex-Democrat...I don't know if it matters who is holding the majority on the Supreme Court.., anymore. After what actions the DNC engaged in throughout the primaries and still today..., I feel they care no more for "we the people" than the Republicans. Not when it comes down to the important issues of our lives...., us..., the "worker bees."

It was so very painful, but I woke up, and saw some awful truth, during these primaries. Obama has flip-flopped on so much now, that the chant of "change" would be a joke, at this point. NObama for sure, he hasn't been truthful, since day one. McCain't is never going bring this nation peace and healing. I have no clue what to do at this point, write in, green party, or not vote. I can't imagine, not voting..., because I have always voted.., this gives one a headache.

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 3:23 am
Thank you, Kim - I was expecting to be called lots worse than an idiot.

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 5:40 am
wow, cate another kettle of fish... i guess it is plain to see that many are not happy with the choices... nobama and his flip-flopping methods and mc cain and his warmongering and other bad habits... tsk, tsk... quite some choice they've left us with, hmmm... well, it's nobama as i've said i will never vote for that racist person who threw his own gramma under the bus... i haven't decided exactly what i will do... maybe go green... or write in hillary... who knows???

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 6:51 am

This from a friend; "people need to think of politics like driving, if you want to go backwards, then shift into R. But if you want to move forward then shift into D."

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 10:30 am
Thank you Cate -- excellent article!

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 11:46 am
Ron Paul MCcain,Goofy,Green Party,Red Party Blue party,Nadar,Barr None voters You can but it anyway you like but it stills means the samething NO RESPECT

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 4:25 pm
between the 2 it is Obama

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 4:51 pm
Mamabear, we all want the same good things you do, but there isn't a candidate that will be ALLOWED to give it to us, IMHO. How would we all be doing if we were living like Iraqis must be: displaced, shot, shocked, grieving, poisoned, more? Would we believe the U.S. actions to be just (then)? No, our lives would be destroyed, like their lives are, the majority of these people are "regular" people like us, not "insurgents, terrorists, etc". Terrible! I have NO RESPECT for any of these millionaires(all our Reps. and Senators, on up) They all got RICH by investing in DEATH, someway, somehow! No more Murder for Dollars in my name, starting from the day I joined the NO in November group, until there isn't a one of us left standing when, finally, there will be Peace on Earth.
Dar, I have voted my whole life, been registered as a Dem, even though I considered myself an Independent. Loved Clinton(Pres), thought he really was on our side. Not anymore, not after all the real info I've learned on here. I've been blind! Now I really am an Independent!! Independent of all the horrible stuff I've sanctioned by voting in the past!
I will not accept the guilt trip either, that by not voting, the whole of our country's problems and repurcussions of actions taken in our name will be MY FAULT. That is another lie foisted up by the powers that don't want to lose their power, IMHO.

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 4:55 pm
Sandra -- you don't have to travel to Iraq to find the conditions you mention. They can also be found in New York City, Chicago, or any large city in the U.S.

I really wish people cared as much for the people in their own "backyard" as they do about people in other countries. For now, I will do what I can to fix the problems here. That includes electing a president who will best represent us to the world.

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 5:31 pm
no we all do not want the same thing .........

some of you no voters want more fiscal libertarian issues raised and met .....others in your no vote bed want nothing less than the constitution shredded ...they think it is an awful waste of paper .....AND THAT IS WHY I FIND IT so funny that people say there is no difference between mccain and obama or the democrats and the republicans .......IF THAT IS TRUE THEN THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN the libertarians who say they want to live by the constitution and the anarchist who say they would shred the constitution ....THE LOGIC IS INSANE .......THERE ARE DIFFERENCES just because they are not the differences that matter to you what 80 people in that no vote bed we who support voting are stupid or part and parcel to the nwo or something else ...but forbid that we tell you we believe your logic is twisted and gets no one anywhere ......YOUR STAND IS YOURS TO TAKE BUT IT IS A UTTERLY PESSIMISTIC AND DEFEATIST IN MY VIEW BUT IT IS ONLY MY VIEW and maybe a million others out there ........ AND TO THOSE with children what kinda example are you setting for your children by this stand ......oh honey voting doesnt get us anywhere ............and if one day it does will they really believe then that it will ..........OR WILL THE NEXT STEP IN THIS HOPELESSNESS be bombings ........

OBAMA IS NOT GOING TO BE SHITTING GOLD FOR US TO FEED ON OR PARTING THE WATERS ......get over that idea ...........of course he is going to appear and move as close to the center as he can whether he is or not .....THATS HOW YA GET ELECTED ....because thats what people unfortunately want to see ......so because of 2 one two elections ......you have given up ....PICK YOURSELF UP DUST YOURSELF OFF AND GET ACTIVE IN YOUR TOWN ........by this i mean get those you wish to see in the whitehouse elected in your town first ...ACT LOCALLY THINK NATIONALLY ..if this is not working for ya .......ya may want to realize people are not on the page you are reading from and hell they may not even want that book of yours its okay .......this is not a two party system ....

for the 80 or so who are in the no vote bed i am happy that i know 1000 philadelphians who are of color young men who will be voting this year for the first time ........WHY BECAUSE THEY GOT HOPE FROM THIS MAN ......i dont have hope i just have a drive now to get him into office ........

COME WHAT MAY IN NOVEMBER ........

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 5:43 pm
Beautifully put, Elgin. Correct, Obama is not pure and ready to start the revolution; there is no Santa Claus. When progressives "sat out" in 1980, we got Reagan. The Central Americans who were massacred by the death squads that the US kept in power no doubt wish that we could have elected Carter or ABR.

I heard that Gore and Bush and Kerry and Bush are all exactly the same. I doubt that the Iraqi people agree.

With affection and respect, I ask you folks who are going to skip voting or vote for someone who has NO chance of winning, so how do we change things then?

Wednesday July 9, 2008, 6:24 pm
You go girl. It's the truth.