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Bush Administration Endorsed Torture of Prisoners


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RC
- 2011 days ago - washingtonpost.com
Under pressure from then-CIA director George Tenet, the government, in a series of secret memos, officially approved the CIA's "interrogation methods" (aka torture) used on prisoners around the world.



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RC deWinter (418)
Friday October 17, 2008, 4:48 am
Oh yes, and all the bigwigs in power at the time were in on it: George Tenet, John Ashcroft, Big Dick, Kindasleazy Rice, Bertie Gonzalez and Donald Rumsfeld. Somehow, nobody remembers Georgie "Porgie" Bush being at any meetings, however.

America, America...individual aberrant actions are one thing, but an official policy condoning torture? This is not MY America.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 17, 2008, 5:30 am
I SAW AN ARTICLE, THAT BUSH MAY BE CHARGED WITH PRISONER OF WAR CRIMES.
IT MADE ME WONDER ABOUT IT FOR TWO DAYS, AND NOW I SEE WHY!!
THANKS FOR KEEPING ME UP T0 DATE OMBRETTA!! I GUESS I AM NOT REALLY SHOCKED ABOUT IT, AFTER WHAT HE HAS DONE FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS!!
 

Just Carole (341)
Friday October 17, 2008, 6:08 am

Thanks, Cate.

No, this is not the America we grew up in (or at least were led to believe it stood for).
 

RC deWinter (418)
Friday October 17, 2008, 6:09 am
It will be very difficult for our country to prosecute Bush and Company for war crimes per se. Please read this in-plain-English excerpt from the Military Commissions Act of 2007 (hereinafter referred to as MCA):

Does the bill provide immunity for past war crimes?
Prior to the MCA, the federal War Crimes Act stated, among other things, that all violations of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions were war crimes. The MCA amends the War Crimes Act so that only “grave breaches” of Common Article 3 (as defined by the MCA) now constitute war crimes. The “grave breaches” language sets a higher threshold for what constitutes a war crime. For example, Common Article 3 prohibits all cruel or inhuman treatment, including humiliating and degrading treatment and outrages upon personal dignity. But under the MCA, only the most severe cruel or inhuman treatment – that which amounts to “severe or serious physical or mental pain or suffering” – constitutes a war crime. In addition, prior to the MCA amendments, it was a war crime to deprive a detainee who was covered by Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, of the rights of fair trial. Under the MCA amendments, subjecting a detainee to an unfair trial is no longer a war crime under the War Crimes act.

The Military Commissions Act amendments to the War Crimes Act are retroactive to November 26, 1997 (when the War Crimes Act came into effect). Thus, those who engaged in conduct that would have violated the broader scope of prohibitions prior to the MCA are now immune from prosecution for such conduct, at least as war crimes (there are many other criminal and military laws that prohibit cruel treatment).
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Nothing in the MCA would permit the President to change the meaning and requirements of the Geneva Conventions. Those requirements remain intact, all U.S. personnel must comply with them, and the courts remain the final arbiter of their meaning.

The MCA does recognize that the President has authority to interpret treaties as he carries them out. But anytime the President issues interpretations of Common Article 3, they must be published in the Federal Register and are subject to congressional and judicial oversight. The new law emphasizes that it is not changing the constitutional role of the courts and Congress. The courts, as always, have the duty to say what the law means.

The MCA claims to strip away a key check on Executive Branch compliance with U.S. and international law: the ability of the courts to hear challenges to detention via the writ of habeas corpus and civil lawsuits. The MCA explicitly seeks to prevent courts from hearing claims of violations of the Geneva Conventions.
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The MCA contains a number of provisions that raise serious concerns about compliance with the Geneva Conventions and with fundamental due process principles. Among the most troubling aspects of the MCA are provisions that claim to:

* Grant unprecedented and unchecked authority to the Executive Branch to label people “unlawful enemy combatants,” including U.S. citizens;

* Deny independent judicial review of detentions of longtime U.S. residents and non-citizens (the MCA purports to strip detainees deemed to be unlawful enemy combatants of the most common means for an individual to challenge the legality of detention – the right to seek a writ of habeas corpus);

* Limit the sources of law to which the courts may look in determining whether an individual’s rights are being violated;

* Narrow the scope of the War Crimes Act and eliminate accountability for past violations of the law;

* Permit evidence that was obtained through abuse or coercion to be used in military commission proceedings;

* Permit the introduction of classified evidence even if the defendant has not had the opportunity to review and challenge the “sources, methods, or activities” by which the government acquired the evidence;

* Prevent the defendant from getting access to evidence that might prove his innocence;

* Give the Secretary of Defense authority to bypass time-tested military justice standards for fair trials.
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Does the Military Commissions Act authorize the CIA secret detention program?

No. Detaining people in secret locations is still against the law. U.S. law, international human rights law, and international humanitarian law (the law of war) require the United States to hold all detainees in acknowledged places of detention, on official registers, and to provide the International Committee of the Red Cross and/or detainees’ families information on the fate of detainees.

Can anyone designated an “unlawful enemy combatant” be detained indefinitely, even a U.S. citizen?

In describing who may be tried by military commissions, the MCA defines “unlawful enemy combatant” very broadly, so that it could encompass:

* U.S. citizens picked up in the United States,

* any other person picked up anywhere in the world,

* people who are far from any battlefield,

* people who have not have engaged directly in any hostilities against the United States,

* people who may not even have committed terrorist acts,

* people whose activities have no connection to war or armed conflict,

* anyone determined to be one by tribunals established by the President or the Secretary of Defense.

The MCA does not explicitly authorize indefinite detention. In fact, the principal drafters of the MCA, Senators Graham, Warner and McCain, specifically noted that the Act’s definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” applies only for purposes of trials by the military commissions. However, there is nothing in the Act that would require “unlawful enemy combatants” to be brought to trial. Without such a requirement, the new law leaves open the possibility that people may continue to be held indefinitely.

The definition of “unlawful enemy combatant” also raises serious concerns because it blurs the most fundamental distinction the laws of war make between combatants and non-combatants, and between circumstances where ordinary criminal laws protect individual rights, and where the special laws of war apply. The administration has argued that the entire world is a battlefield in “the global war against terrorism,” which it argues is a new kind of war, where few rules apply. Congressional approval of this broad “enemy combatant” definition reinforces that view.

The full article can be accessed here at the Human Rights First website:
Questions and Answers About the Military Commissions Act of 2006
 

RC deWinter (418)
Friday October 17, 2008, 6:18 am
You may notice in the above the clever doublespeak, omissions and work-arounds provided to the members of this administration and the Judicial Department.

And yes, this bill says that you and I can be picked up and essentially held incommunicado without trial if identified as:

a person who has not have engaged directly in any hostilities against the United States;

someone who may not even have committed terrorist acts,a person whose activities have no connection to war or armed conflict;

someone determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by tribunals established by the President or the Secretary of Defense.

So get ready for the bus to Camp Nowhere, all you dissidents, radicals, leftists, truth-overs and other unlawful enemy combatants! Now that the Big Red One is deployed on home soil, who knows what may come?
 

Mick Gill (119)
Friday October 17, 2008, 6:25 am
Unless all the people start standing up to this backwards government This will be only the beginning of the worse country on earth, no money ruled under a dictatorship
 

Joycey B. (750)
Friday October 17, 2008, 6:57 am
They have made our country uncivilized doing this horrible act. I am embarrassed by it. They need to end this cruelty. Noted with disgust. Thanks Cate.
 

Faith M. (167)
Friday October 17, 2008, 7:01 am
yes it is time to stand up and 4 those who say it does not matter let me say that if that was true the PR spindoctors would have no job the politicians pay MILLIONS to keep us in the dark so if it did not matter they would not spend a penny-- our congress and senate let this happen and refused to impeach this war criminal moron and his entourage so if u are sick of it all
go here http://www.kickthemallout.com/ and do something about it
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 17, 2008, 7:31 am
note not my america
 

Judith Jaehn Jaehn (199)
Friday October 17, 2008, 7:47 am
This is pathetic! When I saw this picture I almost broke down and cried! This is not the America I grew up in! This administration needs to be brought up on many charges including war profiteering! Thats against the law and Cheney has made a fortune in blood money!
Thank you, Ombretta, Noted!
Love and Peace,
Judith
 

Dave Kane (308)
Friday October 17, 2008, 8:18 am
$#@! Bush and the horse he rode in on! Pressure will continue to mount to let the legal system handle these criminals. The world is watching and waiting . . .
 

Suzanna van der Voort (271)
Friday October 17, 2008, 8:26 am
Noted and thanks Cate.
 

Summer Daze (162)
Friday October 17, 2008, 8:34 am
Not the American I grew up in either! Noted with disgust Cate! Thanks!
 

Lyn Z. (296)
Friday October 17, 2008, 9:01 am
And so it goes = "Land of the free, home of the brave" ???????????????? B.S.
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Friday October 17, 2008, 10:15 am
There is one major problem standing up to this tyrannical government. We can be charged as domestic terrorists and arrested without a warrant, and any law enforcement officer, whether it be federal, state, or local now has the authority to arrest anyone for civil disobedience. And if the Secretary of Defense determines that we are indeed enemy combatants we can he held indefinitely. Habeas corpus has been reinstated by a federal court that ruled it violated the Constitution. However, Posse Comitatus has been suspended, and allows for the National Guard to be deployed on American soil to assist law enforcement officers to maintain peace, where ever they’re needed. Posse Comitatus was first suspended in 1876, and again during the ‘60s when the National Guard was deployed to Kent, Ohio where the students were shot to death for no apparent reason, and no one has ever gone on trial for those murders.

If the entire country goes bonkers and starts a new revolution you can rest assured that Bush will declare full Martial Law, which means federal, state, and local law enforcement officers will be helpless. They will not be able to do anything within their legal authority, and under full Martial Law Congress can be arrested and detained and refrained from passing any emergency laws to prevent Bush from declaring Martial Law, making him the dictator he has always wanted to be.

We must not ever forget that the Bushes had deep connections with Nazi Germany and supplied Hitler with the money he needed to establish his dictatorship. Bush would like nothing better than to have the American people start riots all over the country so he can do what he wants to do to stay in power.

Look what happened to protesters all over the country during the 2004, and 2006 elections, and the primary elections of this year. Homes and warehouses where protesters were not doing anything wrong were raided for printing banners and posters to protest the Iraq war. Women were forced to lift their shirts at Bush rallies to make sure they did not have a John Kerry button pinned to a shirt underneath their outer sweatshirt. And protesters were arrested on their own property by the Secret Service. Protest zones were set up miles from where Bush was going to be. This has been an ongoing problem for many years. The only difference between the ‘60s and now is that we are no longer referred to as hippies. Other than this not much has changed.

If the American people want to revolt they better be prepared to shoot to kill to defend themselves from the military. Remember they have taken an oath to defend America from foreign and domestic enemies and will shoot to kill. There is no doubt about this. So if one is not willing to lay down their life for their country I suggest you stay home and don’t bother going out for there will be check points in every city, town, village and hamlet throughout the entire country. We will be living in a TV series called Jericho!
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (599)
Friday October 17, 2008, 11:16 am
No one in the US who is over the age
of 40 or so is living in the country
they were born in. I don't recognize
this America, but it's the one we have,
and the only one were likely to have.
This is beyond tragic.
Thanks, Cate.
noted.
 

. (0)
Friday October 17, 2008, 12:59 pm
This is not the America I knew and grew up in but, I'll be dilly dot darn if I'm going to let them tell what where oe when its still my life!!! If any other neocons wants to follow along with them fine I won't. Thats why I always got so many whippings when I was a child I didn't do as the rest did or go with the crowd. I worked construction I became a supervisor becacuse I did not want them telling me what to do so I turn tables, Yes it was hard work but be under someone's thumd No!! I never will be. For when they think I'm fenced I will bust loose. Thanks Cate
 

Lucien Pan Morningstar (217)
Friday October 17, 2008, 2:17 pm
not my america not the america that jefferson washington adams et al fought and risked all to start ,that millions fought and many died to preserve and improve torture from america is treason against both the laws and spirit of america
 

. (0)
Friday October 17, 2008, 2:49 pm
Nations dropping bombs /chemical gases filling lungs, of little ones/with ongoing suffering as the youth die young/..

The wars going on/But the reasons undercover

Whatever happened to the values of humanity?...... Where is The Love..its all we got..one love,one love..

Black Eyed Peas.Where Is the love?
 

Louise L. (48)
Friday October 17, 2008, 4:17 pm
Did anyone else see that woman on the Today show this morning? Caught the last two minutes of her interview (no name, drat!) and she said the founding fathers would be appalled at the power of one man (president) to call forth a militia without approval from anyone else. Meredith Viera tried to rip into her, but she stayed cool, with great answers, about how the founding fathers understood well the abuse of the kings of England; they lived them. This post reminds me of what she was saying: we need our system of checks and balances to be revised and updated. Otherwise, there will be more of this trash, wiretapping, you name it. Thanks, Ombretta. PS It's the Great Disappearing Tim!
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday October 17, 2008, 7:01 pm
We knew this from the beginning of the exposure what was it? Four years ago?
Imagine what the US represents to the world...a bunch of sick perverted sadistic perverts!!
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday October 17, 2008, 7:02 pm
I meant to say/... a bunch of sick..sadistic sexual perverts
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday October 17, 2008, 7:46 pm
The USA has it's KARMA coming.
 

Sandy v. (91)
Friday October 17, 2008, 8:49 pm
NO the USA does not have Karma coming. We as Americans don't believe in this horrible act but Bush and Co do have it coming. As it stands now, any one of us can end up in GITMO and be tortured as Bush went to court and had it changed. We can not invoke our constitution or bill of rights if even thought to be a terrorist. If you watch the news, you now know he even wiretapped the military calling home from Iraq and the phone sex they had. That is so sickening. If they suspect us, they can kidnap us and we will never be heard from again. When that Judge said to release those 7 Chinese Muslim after all these years, bush had another court set it aside even admiting they were not a threat but since they excaped from China to the mountains and were "captured" in an area people were learning to shoot guns, we locked them up. These idiots in the military were "ordered" to do this horrible act toward these men breaking these mens religious beliefs and to break them down into the gutter. It is all wrong. Bush may not be charged with war crimes but he did break his oath to protect our Constitution and he didn't do that. Also, I blame our lame Congress, both parties sat on their thumbs and let it happen. That breaks their oath. I guess we will have to build a political prison and give them absolutely nothing, just a cell with a cement bed and one blanket and one meal. See how they like it.
 

Denice G. (45)
Friday October 17, 2008, 9:25 pm
It just makes me sink to think how things have changed. I am disgusted by the situation.
 

Ramona Gehl (141)
Friday October 17, 2008, 10:05 pm
Noted Cate...very depressing! I hope with a new administration coming things will change for the American people!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 17, 2008, 10:25 pm
Its really disgusting. Noted with sad mood.
 

CHRISTIAN RYAN (11)
Saturday October 18, 2008, 12:27 am
I WILL TELL WHAT A FEW SPECIAL PPL HERE KNOW I WAS IN THE NOTORIUS HUNTSVILLE PRISON IN TEXAS FOR DRUGS 2 TIME IN 72 AND 77 AND THEY WERE STILL NOT YET BEING RUN BY THE FEDS AND I WILL TELL YOU I SAW THIS TYPE BRUTALITY THERE AND KILLINGS BY THE CAPTORS IF THEY WANTED RID OF YOU THEY DIDNT NEED A HOOD THEY WOULD JUST HAVE THE TURNKEYS SLIT YOUR THROAT YES THAT IS RIGHT IN OLD DAYS THE INMATES HAD THE DAMN KEYS I HAVE BEEN CLEAN SINCE 1984 AND PLAN TO STAY THAT WAY.I SPENT 6 CALENDER YEARS DOWN THERE WITH THE EVILIST PEOPLE AND IT WASNT THE INMATES IT WAS THE STAFF.IF THEY PUT IN MARTIAL LAW WATCH FOR THIS TO HAPPEN RIGHT HERE YOU FOLKS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY DO BEHIND THE DOORS DOWN THERE AND I AM ASHAMED OF TEXAS FOR BEING A KILLING MACHINE BUSH WHEN HE WAS GOV SIGNES I FORGET HOW MANY HUNDERDS TO THEIR DEATH ITS GOT TO BE CHANGED WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE ANOTHER PERSONS LIFE IF SOME ONE KILLED MY MOTHER I MAY SAY DIFFERENT BUT THANKFULLY I HAVE NOT EVER FACED THOSE DECISIONS CAUSE I HATE CAPITOL PUNISHMENT HALF OR LESS THAN HALF THE MEN DOWN THERE WERE FRAMED FOR BOGUS LITTLE CRIMES LIKE POSSESSION DO WE WANT TO SPEND 35,000 A YEAR TO KEEP A POOR OLD DRUG ADDICT I SAY NOT CHRIS
 

Hans L. (958)
Saturday October 18, 2008, 6:09 am
Anita thank you for your comment:
We knew this from the beginning of the exposure what was it? Four years ago?
Imagine what the US represents to the world...a bunch of sick perverted sadistic perverts!!
This realy is many years old and what has happened? NOTHING! IMPEACH BUSH! Why is that so difficult the war on Iraq allone should be enough......

THIS IS REALY REALY DISGUSTING! But most digsusting is not this torture but the fact that YOU accept this from your government! Impeach the people who did this...Bush and his BIG DICK! The masterminds of evil!
 

Vi A. (33)
Saturday October 18, 2008, 6:17 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaK-HKIdv1E

....watch this trailer.....then get the DVD or rent the DVD

See the film and watch the included documentary
 

AniTa H. (142)
Saturday October 18, 2008, 6:31 am
The representatives in congress have done NOTHING..Hans. They ahave all been afraid of Bush. He immunized himself against prosecution for warcrimes, he and his gang are far worse than Hitler ever was. What i don't understand is that there are still many people in the US who still will vote for him (via McCain) I wonder about the American people...this is why i say KARMA is due.
 

AniTa H. (142)
Saturday October 18, 2008, 6:34 am
What makes me more sick is when i see those stupid bumper stickers that say "Support the troops" and "god bless America" makes you really wonder how "mindless these people are!!
 

Warren Motter (1055)
Saturday October 18, 2008, 11:57 am
Senator John (the Traitor) McCain also supports waterboarding (which he used to oppose). So, he'll continue the evil begun by Bush.
 

Mick Gill (119)
Saturday October 18, 2008, 11:50 pm
How about charging them with being the domestic terrorists to Americas Freedom of Rights use the Law against them to protect each and everyones rights in the interest of America itself
 

Deborah Hooper (59)
Sunday October 19, 2008, 1:12 pm
IMPEACH NOW!
 

Pamylle G. (455)
Sunday October 19, 2008, 3:45 pm
You said it, Deborah, and I agree: IMPEACH !
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday October 19, 2008, 5:32 pm
Bush is the worst president in American history. Bush facilitated the 9/11 attacks. Subsequently, Bush lied to Congress and the American people relative to the reasons for invading Iraq. Bush purposefully misled Congress and the American people. Then, Bush murdered more than 4,000 United States service members. And Bush wounded more than 30,000 United States service members. In torturing prisoners of war, Bush patently violated the Geneva Convention. Bush unlawfully wiretapped United States citizens. In using “signing statements” to challenge hundreds of laws passed by Congress, Bush violated the Constitution. Bush has ignored global warming. Bush is guilty of criminal negligence relative to the response to Hurricane Katrina. Bush disobeys our democratic values and Constitution. Bush is a disgrace to the United States.

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Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
 
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