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The Ungodly Constitution: How the Founders Ensured America Would Not Be a Christian Nation

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The founders made a noble effort to say goodbye to all that in order to secure the blessings of liberty for themselves and their posterity.

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Sue H (7)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 9:51 am
Look how far we've come... Not. :(

Carol H (229)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 10:24 am
noted, thank you Dusty

Barb K (1687)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 11:12 am

John B (185)
Wednesday June 20, 2012, 3:03 pm
Thanks Dusty for posting Susan Jacoby's article from Free Inquiry. Read and noted. Good perscective on the subject from Susan.

Patricia N (9)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 12:11 am
I have "Freethinkers" by Jacoby which I read back in 2005 but must read it again now that things are getting worse concerning separation of church and state.......even starting here in Canada.

JL A (281)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 7:22 am
and the ignorant of history keep trying to claim the founding fathers intended to form a Christian nation--sounds like we need to restore emphasis on history in public education's curriculum

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 1:36 pm
The U.S. founding fathers took great care to serve the 'greater good' for Americans when drawing up the documents our country is defined by. We shame them when we vote for leaders who only offer the 'lesser of two evils'. We should be voting for the 'greater good' as was intended. More candidates will have to be allowed ballot access if we expect any good of come of our 'fixed' elections.
Our votes do not count anyway.
Hacking Democracy

Past Member (0)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 1:47 pm
John, you are right. When our choices are between two corporate-sponsored, free market capitalists for President, then our votes really don't count. No matter who wins, the American people lose. Such is the paradoxical, if not hypocritical nature of our government. After all, our founding fathers declared all men created equal even though between them they owned thousands of slaves.

. (0)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 2:45 pm
If nothing else, the founding fathers were of course Christian, but they were believers in the old testament. Just look at a dollar bill. In the Jewish religion, 13 is a lucky number: the Colonists saw this as a good sign. Because there were 13 colonies, this number is repeated on the back side of the dollar bill. The eagle holds 13 arrows, the olive branch has 13 leaves. The 13 stars are arranged in a 6 pointed star of David.

Christopher Fowler (82)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 3:38 pm
Allan Yorkowitz, 13 is also a lucky number amongst Pagans. 13 is the number of people that make up a complete witches coven.

Our founders knew the world's history far better than modern day Christians ever are likely to. They are too blinded by their religious doctrine to listen to facts.

Fred Krohn (34)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 3:49 pm
The Founding Fathers established a nation in which faith would thrive, not a nation based on a specific faith. Any religion that can keep the peace is welcome to gather a congregation in the USA. No religion can be made the 'official national faith'. That suits me just fine, I wish the pols would quit tampering with it!

marie C (163)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 3:58 pm
Thanks Allan very interesting I always enjoy your comments and often learn something

Ken S. (3)
Thursday June 21, 2012, 6:49 pm
If the self-righteous religious right - including the crazy bible bashing evangelists - continue interfering in poiltics and promoting theories so far to the right (globalisation, free marketing and the Ayn Rand system of evoution by eliminating the weak and destitute) which has already caused and will continue to cause, economic collape, their belief in hell and damnation may come to fruition - because that's what these nitwits are expounding - a fascist oligarchical system of government in the USA, and elsewhere. Democracy is already dead, and only pretends to be alive.

Past Member (0)
Friday June 22, 2012, 12:05 am
Religion is NOT supposed to be a part of our government AND our government is NOT supposed to be a part of our religion. This has become completely blurred. Now America has a 'driug inquisition' going on where people are coerced by the government to attend Christian churh or go to jail This is completely wrong and illegal.
The Grand Delusion

marie C (163)
Friday June 22, 2012, 5:17 am
What I like about this thread is the cross section it is much more interesting than everyone agreeing after all we are all from different backgrounds and have our own opinions its good to talk and learn about others Thanks for posting Dusty
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