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US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Afghanistan War, Foreign Policy Failure Afghanistan, Foreign Policy Failure Pakistan, Obama Administration, Obama Hope, Obama Middle East Policy, Peace, Propaganda, Taliban )

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I was numb to the lies and simplistic rhetoric of George W. Bush. But when Barack Obama tries to fill those incredibly small shoes, to rev up the same constituency of true believers (the constituency that didn't vote for him) and sell the same war --

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Carole S (338)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 12:28 pm

Let's get one thing straight here . . . I am an American, and so are my daughter and grandchildren.

Anyone who thinks I wish our current president to fail the people of this country are ridiculous. Like any mother, peace activist and loving human being, I WANT THIS KILLING TO STOP!

This article was written by an Obama supporter -- desperately asking him to reconsider -- and also asking us, as Americans to remind him of his promises and the hopes that those who campaigned to put him in office believed he would live up to!

It is our OBLIGATION to stand vigilant over our safety and to speak up if we feel our representatives are sliding. As many have stated, "He does not have a magic wand."

TRUE! And he's not a psychic. We have no right to expect him to know our wishes if we don't voice them.

Kit B (276)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 12:59 pm
So many that were against the Iraq war are now allowing this war to happen with out saying a word. President Obama is a man, a politician he will make mistakes, people will disagree over decisions he makes. For me this a big one. I didn't care for the speech or the attitude, it's simply hypocrisy to declare the war in Iraq wrong but to continue the same kind of war in Afghanistan/Pakistan is some how a better decision? We are no longer fighting a war on terror it's now an Overseas Contingency Operation? Come on folks, that's just silly.

Pamylle G (461)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 1:03 pm
He said he would go into Afghanistan. I don't approve. I've signed at least a half-dozen petitions against it. I voted for "the lesser of two evils", as usual.

In other areas, I believe he means well. There's a power structure behind the scenes, however, that I would argue does not.

sue M (184)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 1:15 pm
I am glad people are finally waking up. The people where in such a need for a God but got a mere mortal. Sad though that some still are hanging on to their delusions!

Judy Cross (83)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 1:17 pm
The Afghan war is only win-able by wiping out the people of Afghanistan.
Obama was a protoge' of Zbg B. who wrote a book in 1998 called the Grand Chess Board.

It is that paradigm Obama operates under. There is no room for good will and a wait and see attitude here.
Obama is proceeding with a long planned agenda operating over numerous administrations.

Carole S (338)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 1:22 pm

I understand, my dear friend, but the worst thing we can do at this time, is create barriers.

Basically, I think we all want the same thing. By making others -- who may not see it all the same as others -- into enemies, we are defeating our own common goals.

Let's quit picking at lint, and concentrate on the foundation of what we ALL truly want. I think everyone reading this is in concordance that we have had an appalling unsatisfactory and debilitating 8 (at least) years of desperately seeking leadership.

We have a new leader -- but he is OUR representative. Instead of placating him, TELL HIM WHAT WE WANT AND WHEN HE IS DISAPPOINTING US!

(chuckling to myself) Ya know, I used to be a big fan of Cosmo magazine, and loved taking the quizzes every month. And I noticed that most of the noters here are women.

Know what the biggest complaint from men is?

That women don't just tell them what they want!!!!

(Check it, girls . . . he's still a man!)

Jim P (3257)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 1:32 pm
Aside and straying from the main story and topic here "briefly", what do women want...???

TY, Just "C".

Carole S (338)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 1:32 pm

Sue/Judy -- Accept the fact that everyone hasn't read everything you have, but we were unaware at one time too.

It's wrong and counter-productive to discount others who have the same heart, but just haven't reached the page you're on.

I am eternally grateful for those who tolerated my naievte (and still patiently lead me).

Amena Andersson (187)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 2:03 pm
I think we are all trying to tell Obama what we want. At least those of us creating and signing all those petitions. We must not stop that;but, there needs to be something more, something loud and raucous, like a raven's call, to warn him of the danger of following his currant path towards more war. Unfortunately, my brilliance ends with that idea...have not a clue what to do next. Anyone?

Carole S (338)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 2:06 pm

I am so blessed by beautiful friends, like you, Amena.

Your smallest whisper, but [your word] "raucous" selfless deeds, scream to those who know and respect you.

Leading by example is the purest truth.

Carole S (338)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 2:32 pm

"Leading by example is the purest truth."

And thanks, Kit, who (by not even saying so) reminded me of that.

Joan Mclaughlin (133)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 4:42 pm
Thanks Just C.I appreciate your ability to see all sides of the subject.I knew that there was something special about you.It is so nice to be able to express your opinion and be treated as an equal.That why this is America,we all have a voice and deserved to be heard.

Carole S (338)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 4:52 pm

Joan, you do not realize your worth.

I sent SEVERAL friends your words on my "much-demised" article on Obama . . . and THEY IDENTIFIED WITH YOU.

You, Joan, are my aunt, my relatives, the people I respected growing up.

YOU are America.

(Now, don't get big-headed . . . but you are the people I grew up in Canton, Ohio to believe were "real." And you are.)

. (0)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 6:37 pm
no war no where we need to build up our country let them fight their own battles get bacj jobs in the usa build up the economy

Mr Freewater (0)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 6:59 pm
"He said he would go into Afghanistan. I don't approve. I've signed at least a half-dozen petitions against it. I voted for "the lesser of two evils", as usual.

In other areas, I believe he means well. There's a power structure behind the scenes, however, that I would argue does not. "

Very well written, Pamylle G.

The man is no miracle worker, he is but a representative of our entire culture's collective will. The leaders of industry, the Puppet Masters, and the peacenicks all together make up his persona and his choice of words. To expect any different from a very powerful figurehead seems quite naive.

The degree to which we enact Action ourselves is the degree to which we will see change. The degree to which we rely on Figure Heads to enact change is the degree to which we will continue to feel dis-empowered. Those who wish to lead us down the road of victimhood tend to leave me suspicious.

Saturday April 4, 2009, 8:26 pm
The war in Afghanistan/Pakistan has been going on for at least 8years When we were attacked on 9/11 I beleve the trail was hot for going in and getting Osama bin Laden but Bush had other plans and used 9/11 to go after saddam Hussein and was able to get the American people behind him Why? 9/11 fear. In the mean time people who live Afghanistan have been taken over by terrorist org. (men women and childern are the ones have been raped/torchered/etc) While You and people like Rove/Bush/Cheney have your own agenda's and believe that this people can fight there own battles I would call that selfish President Obama looks at the world thru many lens angles NOT ONE Obama caslled the war in Iraq a DUMB WAR Why? maybe because some of knew Rove/Bush/Cheney/People /like you were looking thru a single lens Obama can walk and chew gum at the same time

As President you can not just turn your back your responsibilitys which Obama will not do unlike Bush and appartly alot of Americans. SAd it is!
Economy/health care/education/energy/enviroment/wars/other Countries President Obama/Vice President Biden are dealing with these issues and the road will be long and all who voted for him may other reasons like this person in your article (which by the way was not listening very well) it will not be able to stomach the path which we will/must travel.

Barb H (15)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 9:18 pm
I am hearing so much that is good, as always, that's the US media. I believe there is a problem with the powers that be in Washington. Mr O'Bama is at the very beginnning of losing his personal power if he violates the agreement he made in the campaign about ending this awful war. A part of the Koeler article that stated,"Obama rode an American — a global — passion for peace into office, yet he spoke to us about expanding Af-Pak operations as though we had voted for ignorance and war.

4. The speech called for dialogue only among parties on one side of the conflict: the U.S. and the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan. There was no mention of communication with the evil Taliban, our former Cold War ally, and no mention that huge, festering grievances in the Arab world against the West (the Palestinian situation, for one) are fueling terrorist activities and merit serious world attention.

The isolation of power has made our president a prisoner of the Washington establishment, whose “clear and desperate urge,” Tom Engelhardt wrote recently, “is to operate in the known zone, the one in which the U.S. is always imagined to be part of the solution to any problem on the planet, never part of the problem itself.”

We must demand accountability from the Obama administration (202-456-1111). It’s too late to surrender, again, to cynicism, despair and more of the same.

- - "is the truest of statements. Washington 's stigma is like the hood of a cobra, distracting the hopeful then informing them that "they just CANNOT do it." Whatever "it" is must conform to the mechanics of the Washington elite. Please, keep your original promises. You have been recently indoctrinated by others into a new way of thinking, told you are unsafe. Truth is, others in Wash. are not necessarily the good guys! Please grab your identity back and hold it fast. We need you to be the MAN we ELECTED. Get us outta there!

Simon Wood (207)
Saturday April 4, 2009, 10:32 pm
We can build a mass movement to get the troops out of Afghanistan and Pakistan, like the mass movement which got the troops out of Vietnam. More civil disobedience will be necessary to achieve peace, like back in the Vietnam War days (e.g. doing sit-ins, doing pickets of military recruitment offices, organising labour unions to stop loading supplies for the military, helping AWOL soldiers, etc.).

Carole S (338)
Sunday April 5, 2009, 6:30 am

I am so happy to see such open dialogue here. I can see that people are REALLY reading, and thinking.

Kit B (276)
Sunday April 5, 2009, 7:05 am
People in New York, this week end were very impressive, signs displayed clearly the anger they felt. Simon, we did hold MANY rallies, peace marches and protests in the 60's, and we were some what successful in focusing the attention on the deaths from Vietnam. We did not bring them home, not till they had no freakin choice but to leave or be even more embarrassed by the take over of the north. None of the movement was spontaneous it was all planned and at most places the core people were there to lead time and again. Slowly we won SOME favor with the press, people like Dan Rather began to agree with us, so we finally started to win some positive coverage. It was a long tough road, in the end we lost 58,000 American service men, close to a half million Vietnamese killed, billions of dollars poured down a rat hole, and America's first deficit spending.

To re-create that it would have to be millions of people willing to march in protest in cities all over America, at least a million in DC alone. It requires massive planning for transportation, food and shelter. The willingness of each person to be arrested, because some will be arrested. Most important, it requires those people to support the goals of the movement above all government "reasons" and to march in protest till the goals are achieved.

ARE AMERICANS ANGRY ENOUGH YET? I hope so, but I honestly doubt that. We had a draft then and that was a strong, VERY strong motivating factor. The press is no longer independent at all, but owned and operated by a few very wealthy people that directly or indirectly profit from this and all war.

Suzanne P (0)
Sunday April 5, 2009, 7:23 am
Any US president that goes to Europe and sells the American people short, is wrong. It was wrong to go to Europe and say bad things about the former president and remark how Americans are arrogant. I lived in Europe for 10 years - believe me, there is plenty of arrogance on the part of Europeans. Let's see - we saved their butts in WWI and WWII and a great personal cost to American lives. We saved their butts from communism for over 40 years - from WWII until the Berline Wall fell - and Europeans had ZIP to do with tat - it was President Reagan! Obama - you need to read up on your history before you insult Americans. No wonder Obama's wife said during their campaign, that she "never felt patriotic until her husband ran for president" - they are two peas in a pod. For being American, they are both very un-American!

Carole S (338)
Sunday April 5, 2009, 7:55 am

Oh, wow, Kit . . . The draft? At least, it had a defined duration.

Being an "old hippie," I hated it -- and lost many friends to Vietnam -- but now? I think it was much more democratic than the involuntary servitude imposed on volunteers. My heart goes out to those who unwittingly "signed up," not realizing that they couldn't "get out."

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Sunday April 5, 2009, 10:21 am

Aletta Kraan (146)
Sunday April 5, 2009, 10:38 am
Noted , thans !!!

Darlene K (356)
Sunday April 5, 2009, 4:46 pm
Kit, excellent comment, and I agree. If we could get at least one million of the over 220 million adults in this nation, to take action.........., what a powerful positive force we would be against WAR.

Too many Americans want to remain in their safe creation of life, and not face the truth of what is happening in the world and in our nation. It is very frustrating....
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