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Gulf News; From Bad to Worse

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Sit down. Get ready. Your life has begun to change. It will never be the same again. This gulf disaster is changing everything. Face it . . . AND ACT!

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Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:24 pm
This is such a horrendous disaster that it is beyond words or description. I want to just cry every time I see what is happening to our beautiful Gulf of Mexico and all the birds and marine life who live in and on these waters and barrier islands. I cannot conceive of a good reason for drilling for oil in such a beautiful place. Disasters happen because of negligence, not accidents. And there is clearly negligence here. The oil rig was in International Waters. Did those who put it there think that any disaster would not affect America? Are they that stupid, or just that greedy and uncaring? And as usual, it's always the wildlife who suffers because of the stupidity of humans.

Les L (12)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:29 pm
I agree with is always the innocent and vulnerable that suffer, in this case the wildlife!!!
It is just beyond sad,

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:38 pm

It is NOT enough that we read (and critique) the efforts, and speeches . . .

I cannot be ALONE in feeling powerless here! In the meanwhile, READ, WATCH, and GET ANGRY about the voices of people directly affected by this!

(People are cleaning up this toxic waste -- under THREAT of using protection -- while their co-workers are being hospitalized.)

A corporate "pretense," made by laughing CEO's, is pretending to care.

LIVES -- human, and animal, and vegetarian -- are being DESTROYED!

NOW IS THE TIME TO SPEAK OUT! (And, if not now . . . WHEN?)

We need to quit accepting the unacceptable . . . DEMAND that this stop; and that REAL change be addressed.

(or explain to future generations why you were "too busy" to do so.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:43 pm

If you have a petition/action of good use . . . POST IT!

If you have friends who need to act . . . TELL THEM!

(This is NOT the time to be afraid of offending.)

Nancy M (197)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:47 pm
This is so devastating that I can't even think straight. But thanks for posting Just Carole.

H Nick H (1826)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:51 pm
I'm sick about all this. And it's going to go on and on for some time to come. It is devastating. And yet there are still republcans wanting to drill more, limit the amout (to 75 million) that any oil company would have to pay for destroying our enviornment.......and yet, they keep on trying to blame Obama for all this. I don't know which I hate and detest more, the republicans or BP. Both are destroying our naition and our way of life.

MmAway M (505)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:53 pm
OMG...Just C...

So sobbing while I am typing this on your news...I had waves of dispair and horrid goosebumps just reading this article.

WHAT THE #!#????

We here in the USA are totally in the DARK ON THIS OIL SPILL, sadly not only the people will suffer, but our creatures are dying...I have nightmares!

While BP say they are going to pay the people, WHOOPS what are they going to do about all of the WILDLIFE???? GOOD GRIEF, If I could I would drive there in a heartbeat to help out...this disaster is #!#!#!#!#!#!#!#! & GRRRRRRR

No words actually fit to print, just falling tears!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:53 pm

My first response? NO MORE OIL DRILLING!

Why aren't our tax dollars being spent to promote alternative energy? It's not enough for Obama to say that we need to look for alternatives. THEY ARE THERE! AND . . . it's his job to PROMOTE OTHER ENERGY! (Stimulus THAT!)


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:54 pm

If we can afford to bail out banks and Wall Street . . . WHY AREN'T WE SUPPORTING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY?

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:55 pm
Nick, I couldn't agree with you more. Those rigs were there long before Obama came on the scene. He is not an Oil Engineer, he is our President. He is doing all he can possibly do to deal with this monumental mess, and all the others he inherited from the day he took office.

Laura H (964)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:55 pm
Nick-what you said!!
I have shed many tears over this man made disaster...
it seems humans will go on being greedy and stooooopid until the earth~and everything on it~is DEAD.

Barb K (1687)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:57 pm
I only wish I could speak with the President in person and show him all the petitions we've signed and all the news article we've written/noted/posted. I wish Randy would invite him to Care2 and show him what we all do everyday to stop the oil from gushing to other critical endangered places...

MmAway M (505)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 2:57 pm
When I was watching the news and foung out about the CAP that Congress and Clinton Did, I totally felt ill...Sadly, when I watch the news I just sob for all of these creatures covered in oil and those that we don't even know about...

Now the CAP I think is 75 Million....then the USA taxpayers pay the rest...could be off base -- but, think that is what I saw!

Thank you Just C for getting this out there!!

Appalling to say the least and This is only the beginning...

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:00 pm
There is an Energy Bill to do all the things you say, Carol, but the Republicans have had a Block on it for over a year in the Senate. Nothing can be done until that Republican removes his block. How one Senator is allowed to block an entire Bill all on his own is beyond me. They have some stupid rules in the Senate that need changing and they are finally realizing that. Yes, I watch the Senate daily. Thanks for the post, Carol, you go girl.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:00 pm

A suggestion????

Instead of pointing fingers at who's at fault . . . POINT A FINGER TOWARD A SOLUTION!

Let's QUIT being a part of the finger-pointers (which is a total diversion and waste of time) . . . and START proving that WE are a part of the FIX!

MmAway M (505)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:02 pm
Totally AGREE with you, I want a solution!!!

Thank you!!!

Alice C (1797)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:02 pm
Thank you,
It is most important for all of us to stay informed about this mess.
Blessings to you for keeping us updated ~ Alice

Eleanor B (909)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:03 pm
Just C. it's because the oil companies and the car producing companies have been so powerful and continue to be so. They are multi-national companies who have no allegiance but to themselves and their shareholders. Profit is all. There could have been alternative energy long ago. The development of electric cars was stopped I believe in the 50s though I could be wrong about that. It was stopped anyway. The American love affair with the car instead of public transport has meant profits for big companies, oil and motor. And despite this catastrophe it will continue. And this need for oil has caused invasions like that of Iraq. Who controls the Iraqi oilfields now if not the Americans? The oil companies have brought devastation to many countries. Now it's America that is suffering what others have already suffered.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:06 pm

Yadayadayada . . .


It's past time to DO SOMETHING.

I don't wanna read about it any more to find out. I WANT TO BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION!


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:07 pm


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:08 pm

If you can't take your ecosystem seriously . . . WHAT IN THE HELL IS YOUR PRIORITY?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:16 pm
Clickable link:

Cynthia Davis (340)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:31 pm
It's time to get real mad and demand alternative energy. All of us need to scream it from the mountain tops. Now is the time.

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:33 pm
The information in the article reflects what a guest said on the Dylan Ratigan show. He said the psi of the oil comming out is MUCH higher that what BP is saying, and there is most certainly no casing left in the damaged well because of the psi at that depth and the volume of oil in the reserve. So the relief wells are useless. The only thing to try is a controlled nuclear explosion under the seafloor to liquify the rock to glass to seal it.
So the question is do they try it now or wait until a few hurricanes make this an armageddon.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:35 pm

Well, WE ARE THE PEOPLE . . . Speak up!

(Petitions are WELCOMED. Demonstrations, with site references, are too.)

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:42 pm
I have signed every petition I come across and have written my disgust several times toObama and co. but the problem lies with Congress. They agreed to all this and as far as I am concerned they will put this mess on the taxpayer once again.
Isn't it obvious we have shit for gov so why do we keep re electing them in office?

I can offer petitions to make congress "Read The Bills" before approving them and "One Item At ATime Act" to stop them from shoving in special favors in unrelated bills. Bp is just one of those favors.

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 3:55 pm
Bev, I heard about the nuclear option too and must have seen the same program. While it did work in a few places, they were on land, not sea. If only it were that simple. I think the fear is that it may make the Gulf and then spread on out until the oceans are all radioactive, along with our drinking water. If we could only be positive that wouldn't happen, it would be a good idea.

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:06 pm
Stop the Drill Baby Drillers and their nutty ideas or we will have a lot more of these disasters. We have the capability of alternative energy if we can just get the Oil Barons out of Washington with their filthy money.

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:17 pm
This was just today, but I have just viewed another interview from a couple of weeks ago on the Keith Olbermann show. That scientist said it was a bad idea.
The other thing I heard is that there is some kind of law that prohibits foreign vessels from doing work in US waters, a union thing, and that Obama needs to over-ride the that law, and get vessels in to skim more oil from the surface. I would think he would be working on that now.

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:38 pm
That is not true, Bev. The problem is that BP won't let anyone else help. Ask anyone who went down there to try to help clean up too, BP also said they couldn't help either. There is an animal rights group down there getting people certified and they are doing the cleaning in spite of what BP says. These animals and birds are on American land, what makes BP think they can dictate who can clean? The rig is in International waters, the Unions have no jurisdiction in international waters, that's the problem: no one has. But the unions also cannot be prevented from going into international waters either. BP is running their own show, and very poorly, I may add.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:39 pm

One of the most despicable images I've seen? Innocent indigenous wildlife, confused by the mire they are covered in, slowly suffocating . . . because of the GREED of those who were to be their stewards.

WHY are we NOT concentrating on alternative energy? WHY is there no stimulus plan for innovations not dependent upon oil?


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:41 pm

WHY is there only a hiatus before drilling? If the Gulf states are dependent upon oil, WHY are we not seeking alternatives?

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:45 pm
Barbara, it has to do with the Jones Act. Don't rmember all the details but it was sometime in the 1800's and the US does not allow ships working in our waters. Bush however, lifted it for aid for Katrina. Obama could do the same but so far has not and does not look like he will.

Kait G (25)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:47 pm
I've been signing every petition involving the oil spill, on this site and others, also forwarding them through emails to people I know will send them until there's only bones left on their finger-tips.

Sadly, news like this and seeing that nothing has changed, it makes you feel like your efforts are failing...I hope this gets better sooner than expected!

Has anyone else heard that small speech Obama gave from the Oval Office? It was suposed to be our own little battle plan against this spill, but it sounded way more like a very, very late update!

All he did was tell us how bad the spill is, and that he feels like that this can be controlled. Why? Because he has spoken to people about making a long-term plan on how to handle this. And to make it worse! he then started to say that we need to pray over this. How assuring -- "I've got this, its under control, I'll handle this, we can do this. May God have mercy."

Phil R (29)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:48 pm
There are electric cars out there now. The Tesla car company (now producing electric vehicles) has just signed a deal with Toyota. Ford and GM are also working on electric cars, so we'll be seeing them soon. What has to happen is the American consumer has got to buy the electric cars when they arrive. If no one buys them, then it will be like voting for fossil fuels.

A good deal of attention is being directed at President Obama. I'd say that he has a lot to do with the solution...but so do your Senators and Congressmen. If you want to put pressure on your government, these are the people to contact. Their job is to make sure we are happy....let's let them know how we feel!

As far as finger pointing goes...who was it that based their election campaign on "Drill,baby,drill"?

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:52 pm
Thanks Phil and quite true on all 3 points. It is up to each and everyone of us how much we buy that has oil related products in it. If you don't contribute to it we will have no use for oil and the drilling will at least slow down.

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 4:54 pm
You put it all neatly in a nutshell, Phil.

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:00 pm
When BP CEO Tony Hayward testified before Congress this morning, many expected to hear him apologize for the disaster his company has caused. Instead, GOP Congressman Joe Barton was the one saying he was sorry -- to BP.

In his opening statement, Barton, the top Republican on the committee overseeing the oil spill and its aftermath, delivered a personal apology to the oil giant. He said the $20 billion fund that President Obama directed BP to establish to provide relief to the victims of the oil disaster was a "tragedy in the first proportion."

Other Republicans are echoing his call. Sen. John Cornyn said he "shares" Barton's concern. Rep. Michele Bachmann said that BP shouldn't agree to be "fleeced." Rush Limbaugh called it a "bailout." The Republican Study Committee, with its 114 members in the House, called it a "shakedown."

Let's be clear. This fund is a major victory for the people of the Gulf. It's a key step toward making them whole again. BP has a responsibility to those whose lives and livelihoods have been devastated by the disaster. And BP oil executives don't deserve an apology -- the people of the Gulf do.

Stand with us to show that the American people support holding BP accountable -- and we won't apologize for doing so.

We support holding BP accountable. And we won't apologize for doing so. Add your name.

Rep. Barton and Republicans like him don't understand that the real tragedy is what's happening to the people in the Gulf Coast. They're the ones who deserve his apology -- not BP.

But big oil knows exactly who its allies are. And if Republicans win control of the House, Rep. Barton could be chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee -- overseeing regulation of the oil and gas industry.

Notably, companies like Halliburton -- the folks responsible for cementing the Deepwater Horizon rig -- are directing their political committees to deliver thousands of dollars to GOP candidates this cycle. Barton himself has received more than $100,000 from the oil and gas industry this election cycle.

Barton should apologize to the people of the Gulf and he should step down as the highest-ranking Republican on the House Energy and Commerce Committee.

Adding your name to our open letter is one of the best ways you can show him and other Republicans that they weren't elected to defend big oil.

Sign the open letter today:


Cynthia Davis (340)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:03 pm
Petition from Avaaz Please sign

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:06 pm
Clickable links:

Both signed!


Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:14 pm
Got both signed too, thanks.

Sir Walk F (124)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:17 pm
Here's the best explanation I have read:

BP has had problems with this well since at least early march:

They reportedly told the MMS they were having problems as early as march 10th, and were hoping to walk away from it to drill elsewhere. It was over-budget, and running into technically problems below the surface.

At the moment the pipe seems to be damaged 'down pipe', below the surface of the sea floor. this is why the 'top kill' and 'junk shot' didnt work: because the small break in the pipe allowed both oil and 'top kil mud' to escape out of it, preventing a seal.

At this point, BP seems to realize that if they cap the well, it will further compromise the ever-increasing hole further down the pipe. so they cut the riser a few weeks ago to INCREASE the flow out the top, to slow the deterioration of the compromised pipe lower down.

the REALLY big problem is, that as that pipe continues to fail below the surface of the sea floor, the entire well-hole becomes more compromised. This is why is already evidence of new leaks sprouting up from the sea floor. As this well beocmes even more compromised, it threatens to coolapse the well, releasing the entire reserve into the gulf. the reserve is estimated to be anywhere from 2-50 billion gallons of oil.

So right now, its a race against that deteriorating pipe whiel they dig these two relief wells, hoping to intersect the original well and try a 'bottom kill' below the failed valve.pipe.

which, obviously, will be quite difficult. and in the meantime, millions of gallons A DAY will continue to spill into the ocean for at leats a few months, if not much, much loonger.

All this 'blame obama' nonsense is just distraction from this very real problem. AND, those on the right are scared to death that Obama might use this to push America to make real changes to our energy consumption. But anyone who pays attention to the media should know, the fact they AREN'T telling us much about whats actually going on with the well seems to imply there is something BIG (like the real possibility of the well collapsing) just under the surface.

Either way, we will have over a hundred million gallons of oil in the gulf when this is all said and done. And potentially MUCH, much more.

Be prepared.

Sir Walk F (124)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:17 pm
Oh, and this is a link to a good video from aussie teevee about the spill:

Joanna D (216)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:20 pm
yeah - ask the people who depends on/earn from oil !!! not we, not nature!!
TY Carole!!

Please also remember to help the poor creatures:
Posted: 2:51 PM Jun 14, 2010
More animal rescue workers needed for spill response
The president of the Humane Society of the United States says efforts to find and rescue birds and other animals endangered by the oil spill are inadequate.
BELLE CHASSE, La. -- The president of the Humane Society of the United States says efforts to find and rescue birds and other animals endangered by the oil spill are inadequate.

Wayne Pacelle, president and chief executive of the animal advocate group, says a seven-member panel of experts said the rescue is being slowed by bureaucracy. Pacelle, at a news conference in Belle Chasse on Monday, said there needs to be hundreds more people going to the oil-affected areas seeking oiled creatures.

He says those working on it are doing their best but the effort is not "pro-active."

He says "trained workers need to be identifying and getting the oiled animals and birds so it isn't left to chance."

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:22 pm
Just let me be nostalgic for a moment . . . let me remember being a young girl, in my first class, singing this song proudly (good memory) . . .
America, the Beautiful

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:25 pm
MSNBC has a program on about this debacle right now.

Barbara K (60)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:27 pm
By the way, Carole, I really love that song too.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:31 pm

Joanne, the animals have as much right to justice as the humans.

Let us NEVER forget them -- we are their stewards.

Eric Straatsma (3802)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:34 pm
Those on the side of GOP, I guess they are all for arresting and jailing those who are reporting about the 'problem', right? Those who argue that BP should be held financially responsible, are 'anti-American', and should be exported out of the USA, along with all of the 'illegals'. Further, anyone who refuses to use BP oil products, or ARCO oil products (BP owns ARCO) should be shot or hung without a trial. If we are supposed to follow the GOP theory, we should all flog ourselves and write letters of apology to BP.. We are just complainers and whiners... BP rules, and can do no wrong, ever...

We should also apologize for allowing the government to file over 760 safety violations against BP, all WILLFUL, compared to just 1-10 for all other oil companies for the same time period.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:37 pm

I refuse to turn this into a partisan issue -- because I KNOW that thinking people's emotions are NOT programmed into Republican/Democrat. Also, comments from a few representatives of either party do NOT speak for every member of that group.


JG Edwards (3)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:39 pm
we really need to focus on a feasible alternative to our oil addiction...

Eric Straatsma (3802)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:39 pm
So far, Texas has no oil on it's beaches and no fishing grounds closed..

Mr. Barton of Texas is apologizing to BP... for what? Where did that come from? Was that a promise he had to give BP, after they forked over $100,000 in 'campaign donations' to his office?

I wonder if he will still be speaking and thinking that way, if and when BP pure and holy oil starts killing all of HIS STATES fishing industry and tourism industry.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:40 pm

This is an issue of humanity. It has no party; in fact, it has no President, nor Congress.

It is NOT political; and therefore, it matters not what our representatives choose to say for us.


No less, and certainly, can be no MORE!


Eric Straatsma (3802)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:40 pm
You are right Carole... being green is not a partisan issue, or it should not be... Thinking about the effect of what we do on seven future generations is not a partisan thing, it is a FAMILY thing.. We all belong to families and we all have kids and grandkids.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 5:47 pm

How about this?

WE, the people . . . spread our OWN version of what we want . . . and, instead of taking the lead from a few politicians . . . WE MAKE THEM FOLLOW OUR LEAD?

Couldn't hurt to yank the reins.


Sir Walk F (124)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:05 pm
Gulf and BP: The Well Pipes Below the Sea Floor Are Broken and Leaking :

Evelyn Z (300)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:18 pm
The oil is now 125 miles west of my beach walks (Indian Rocks Beach & Bellair Beach, FL).
There are fewer turtle nests on the beaches now, since last years season. Although I live 1/2 way down the state of Florida (about 15 miles West from McDill Air Force Base), we're all watching the water, the birds, any & all sea life, the Coast Guard flights more so than we normally would.
I have found some dead seabirds (none coated with crude YET), have reported them & they have been picked up by Sheriff to take to Suncoast Seabird Sanctuary.
I've signed every petition I can find.
Scheduled to stand "Hands across the sands" on the 26th of June @ noon = Thousands will join hands around the entire state of Florida and many other states even if they don't have a beach to stand on = they will join hands in parks, on streets, in neighborhoods throughout the world.
Feel so helpless & discouraged about this sometimes.

Robert S (111)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:25 pm
In case anyone missed it.

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:48 pm
Thankyou Sue, that`s the law I was talking about. A green star to you.
It`s unnecessary to immediatly contradict someone, Barbara, if you are uninformed. We are all trying to shed light, and give information the best we can!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 7:53 pm

I am so pleased by all the camaraderie . . . thanks, guys!

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:05 pm
Telling Eleanor.....yadayadayada is camaraderie? I see she hasn`t dared to come back to this thread.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:09 pm

(Oh, well.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:09 pm

But we ARE blessed with your company, Bev!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:11 pm

And, FYI, the "yadayadayada" was NOT directed at Eleanor, who happens to be a friend of mine.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:13 pm

(pot stirring?)

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:22 pm
Doesn`t matter who it was directed at, it`s uncalled for to bully or belittle someone for their contribution, even if it`s not what your wanted to hear.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:23 pm

First, it wasn't directed at ANYONE in particular.

Second, I don't have to explain myself to you.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:24 pm

You have, obviously, self-appointed yourself as referee here. ("It`s unnecessary to immediatly contradict someone, Barbara, if you are uninformed. We are all trying to shed light, and give information the best we can!")

No, thanks.

Mack David (100)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:33 pm
I think Phil R's comment is logical and reasonable .....
When You feel powerless....
You do whatever You can do.............

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:36 pm
Hey girls......... take a breath. Everyone is angry at the spill situation not each other. The spill is a travesty and we are all trying to deal with it whether it is by trying to make sense or gain some form of control.
It's tense and effects us all but, we need to unite on this and find solutions. Killing the thread will not help.

Thanks for the green one Barbara!


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:37 pm

Thanks, Sue!

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:43 pm
Your welcome Carole. 1.30 left to go of the game and they put on a commercial. Darn it!

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:45 pm
On your profile page, Carol, you state that what bugs you are bullies and meaness. I simply added some information to this post as have others, there is no need to bully them for what they have to say.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:46 pm

I hardly think I need (or want) you to tell me what I am, Bev.

But, thank you for your valuable input.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:48 pm

Back to the topic.

Yes, Mack, I really liked what Phil had to say:

"A good deal of attention is being directed at President Obama. I'd say that he has a lot to do with the solution...but so do your Senators and Congressmen. If you want to put pressure on your government, these are the people to contact. Their job is to make sure we are happy....let's let them know how we feel!"

And agree.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:48 pm
I am not going to stick around if this keeps up. All this he said, she said takes away from why we are here.
Don't kill the thread please. Some valuable data on here for everyone.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:51 pm

I know. Enough of this personal crap.

I'd appreciate it if we could continue with discussion of what I feel is a valuable subject. "Gulf News; From Bad to Worse."

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:52 pm
Your welcome

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:55 pm
It's Obamas yeah or nay and he is the target because he has the job. But, congress needs to know just as much as he does how we all feel. Everything I send to Obama also goes to congress.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:55 pm


So, where do we go from here? I think we need to be more vocal about our wants and concerns.

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:56 pm
Yes let`s do that, no more personal attacks on people who are trying to contribute.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 8:57 pm

I've asked some others, who have their own sites, to visit here and compose a list of petitions/actions, etc. so that they are all in one place.

I'd appreciate anyone adding any they may have.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:00 pm
We need to do something Carole because non of this "lack of real data" is helping. I personally would like to see the people kick Bp out of the country - period. There are plenty other co's that would jump at the chance to drill.
I think we all know we can't just stop drilling but we can lay down a reasonable plan of what we want.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:01 pm
That sounds like a good idea. A group may be the next thing.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:03 pm

I was thinking about a group too. Of course, it would be (hopefully) short-term, but there are so many Gulf stories and ideas, that it might be good to have just one focal point, right here at Care2.

Blacktiger P (247)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:05 pm
Noted: I find it interesting that the people of the USA are zeroed in to the Gulf, when from the North side of your border comes the same evil.What would that be you ask? Well the Alberta Oil Sands!!! The chemical tailing ponds are leaking into the Athabasca River. How does that matter you ask? Well ALL Canadian rivers flow to the SOUTH, AND WHERE DO YOU LIVE??? I would say you are living between a rock and a hard place. Oh you drink water from a plastic bottle[made from petroleum],while our rivers keep flowing south. There is a young couple in Fort MacMurray [Suncor], they have an underground spring that they tapped for selling pure spring water. Then it happened, a rig was set up for a test well and the crew tapped into the aquifer and down goes the spring and poof goes their spring water business. The rig was using pure water to add to the drilling mud. All I have to say is you reap what you sow, and we in Canada have been under the heal of USA businesses for 50 years and our fighting has made not one dint.

BTW remember the call for help when you heard about the ducks landing in those tailing ponds, thinking they were lakes? Same as your Gulf birds, sad sick birds. Oh and the RIVER, the fish have terrible things[cancers and growths] happening to them, and the Natives that live in that area live off the land. The wildlife is contaminated the water is contaminated, the Natives are showing up sick with rare cancers.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:05 pm
Alternative Solutions?? It will not end with just this spill. Canada may very well be next if they continue with the tar sands.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:06 pm

I'm also concerned about the mixed feelings of people in Louisiana. I was surprised to learn that, due to their already oppressed economy, and in spite of this catastrophe, they are fearful of stopping offshore drilling because so many jobs there depend upon it -- and the fishing industry has now been decimated.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:08 pm

True, Margo (Blacktiger) -- Thanks for broadening the scope.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:12 pm

This is also why I feel the administration needs to "stimulate" alternative energy. It's not enough for Obama to say "we need to think of other alternatives" (per se).

Why aren't we actively encouraging that?

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:14 pm

And, Margo, after I read (months ago) that there is NO unpolluted waters, within or outside the U.S., I swore off fish entirely!

(C'mon, fish with cross-genders and mutations?)

Blacktiger P (247)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:16 pm
Well here the Natives, the Dene', and the Inuit [eskimos], all work for the Big Oil companies, because they have to support their families who can't live off the land anymore.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:16 pm
Blacktiger, There are many who are concerned with Canada. But, I can feel your disgust. We have been fighting gov and big business for years too and it does nothing to very little. I would say we are all vicitims of gov decision working hand in hand with each other and not for the benefit of the people or planet.
Btw, I signed for those ducks and Natives on all the petitions I saw.

Carole, I wasn't. They need to survive and when your whole life has been put under the ringer people cling to what they know and trust. I think that could be a totally different group altogether it just has happened to many times to them and they are once again going to get shoved under the table.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:19 pm

I know, I really feel for those folks. I watched Anderson Cooper earlier today, broadcasting from Louisiana, with locals, and they feel that the whole thing is, in the words of one of the people he interviewed, like the "Keystone Kops" because of the utter ineptitude.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:22 pm
.They have a long list of crimes against humanity and the natives you speak of are sadly just one of many. Louisiana has their own natives who live on islands and they are effected badly too. I know they have been talking to the natives up in Alaska getting some help

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:22 pm

It really is discouraging. BP is threatening workers if they attempt to wear protective gear; and yet, they are being hospitalized. OSHA says its outside their limits, and no one is taking responsibility.

How can we spend so much money for so many watchdog governmental agencies . . . and then, in a time of crisis, find out that they're all powerless???

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:24 pm

They are using workers who've lost their jobs because they can't fish -- and by doing that, they (BP) feels they are saving money by not having to pay unemployment for them. It's almost like slavery.

Bev B (1)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:25 pm
Also right now Chevron, I beleive , is drilling a well in the Orphan Basin off the coast of Newfoundland, about one kilometer deeper than the one in the Gulf. One scientist said that if there is a blow-out at that depth, ``we`ll just have to sit back and watch.``
People here are calling for a hault to off-shore drilling, but so far the feds have refused.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:26 pm

A human rights worker there was interviewed. She said they are providing (free) respiratory masks, etc. to the workers, but if the workers show up and use them, BP is threatening to fire them.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:27 pm
But we do and we do not do anything to stop it either. It is not really Obama's fault nor is it really congress. It's us. We allow these atrocities and we are so used to it and the lies that go with it that we are numb to it all. Change has to happen but it is the people who will have to ensure it gets done.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:28 pm

Thanks, Bev. As sad as it may be to end those jobs, we MUST find alternatives. It will end eventually (hopefully) anyway.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:31 pm

So, now we're back to one of my questions: WHY aren't we stimulating alternative energy methods?

We already have wind/solar/electric power . . . but I don't see any impetus for manufacturers to switch.

That, most certainly, DOES lie in the hands of the government. We, as users, cannot make it advantageous for auto manufacturers, etc. to incur the tremendous costs of refitting their productiion lines.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:32 pm

There are even entire communities already functioning without fossil fuel.

(I think it's the corporations, and money already invested in oil that are dampening the thrust forward.)

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:35 pm

This government has ALREADY pre-approved several more drilling contracts (and some of them are for BP).

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:37 pm

I can't be alone in thinking that this government is a well-oiled (pun intended) machine, that will continue as planned, with or without citizen approval.

In reality, the government is under orders from corporations.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:39 pm

That's also why so many people feel the need to "get rid of them all." But, I hardly think that's the answer. Unless there are some drastic changes made, the new ones will be just like their predecessors.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:39 pm
Rothschild wants to monopolize solar. So, already there is a corp waiting in the sidelines to grab the bag. I find this really sad. Oil will put any blocker it can on any other car, remember Delorian?.
It boils down to the people, not using as much oil and grabbing any alternatives they can.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:44 pm

But, that's what p*ssed me off about Obama, putting the onus on the people, by saying "we need to use alternative energy sources."

What in the HULL can the average person do??? We have so many people, just struggling to keep bread on the table and a roof over their heads, driving whatever clunker can get them to a job (they're LUCKY to have).

It can't be placed on these already beset people's shoulders. That's why we elect government officials -- to pool their collective minds and suggest solutions.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:49 pm

And, of course, I must bring up the fact that over 50% of this nation's budget is spent on the military.

We can afford to spend an average of $1 million per soldier to send them to a foreign land, but cannot take care of our citizens at home.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:50 pm
We elect because they are supposed to lead and be for the people. It is obvious they are not and the longer they stay in those permanent seats they get worse.
A friend of mine ran for office once and he said that the minute you get elected your concern goes straight to how you are going to be able to get elected again. Then after that you are home free.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:51 pm

Anyway, I'm getting tired.

Bev, I'm sorry we had a quarrel earlier, but I'm glad it's been resolved.

I'll look forward to all your thoughts when I awaken.

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:51 pm
So, why do we keep on re electing them?

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:52 pm
It seems to me it should be based on statistics. How is the country really doing?

sue M (184)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 9:55 pm
Nite Carole.

Ben O (171)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 11:56 pm
I with You, Carole!
This disaster shouldn't have happened in the first place, but it did indeed...DAMMIT!

To prevent oil rig disasters in the future, there's but one thing to do:
484,850 have signed the Avaaz petition; the goal is 500,000, but I think it should be delivered now.

Patricia Plunkett (79)
Thursday June 17, 2010, 11:57 pm
I too am shocked by the sight of all those poor birds struggling to survive, the deaths of marine life. BP does not speak for Britain though many pension funds from workers will be used to pay the cost of their ignorance. In today's world we are being told to buy 'electric cars', but they still use gas to power their engines, they just use less.My main concern is the drilling offshore in the Arctic proposed by Shell, due to start this very month, are they going to be allowed to carry out this drilling ?Will they like BP be given carte blanche permission to do what they want ? The greedy oil barons in the world are neither interested in what you or I have to say they only see profit, when that profit drops they get angry.To all those suffering in the Gulf I send my heartfelt sympathies and I too will sign petitions and send as many messages out as I possible can, it is up to you in America to take your senate to task I can only support you wherever I can and harangue BP for discrediting our name. My overview of it all is that the news reports are more obsessed by the loss of money than the loss of life. American people I am with you all the way.

Ben O (171)
Friday June 18, 2010, 12:15 am
Solar Power!
Wind Power!
Wave Power!
Who killed the Electric Car?
Geothermical Energy, Public Transportation, Reuse-Reduce-Recycle...
A Sustainable development - What's the alternative...???

Ben O (171)
Friday June 18, 2010, 12:43 am
"Because we don't think about future generations, they will never forget us"
(Henrik Tikkanen)


"Let's put our minds together and see what future we can make for our Children"
(Sitting Bull)

sue M (184)
Friday June 18, 2010, 12:45 am
I would like to know who is Bp's insurance carrier and how much liability insurance they have or are they exempt from it from congress.

Past Member (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 1:08 am
Thank you!

Arild Gone for now (174)
Friday June 18, 2010, 2:25 am
I've signed all petitions that I've found so far and I'll keep on doing it,TY "C".

patricia lasek (317)
Friday June 18, 2010, 3:40 am
I'm watching the news right now and Bobby Jindal looks really pissed off. BP is not doing enough. When you start an operation, like drilling 1 mile below sea level, you better be sure you know what in the hell you're doing. They had no safeguards in place because they figured they were above that. Nothing will go wrong. HAH!
Drill off the coast of Newfoundland? Are they totally insane?!?
I am doing everything in power to reduce my consumption of fossil fuels. If only the rest of the world would do so. Sometimes I think we would have been better off without this so-called progress that was the Industrial Revolution.
What would I do without my computer though?

patricia lasek (317)
Friday June 18, 2010, 3:41 am
I did sign all the petitions which have been posted and many others too since the beginning of this debacle.

. (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 3:54 am
DItto Patricia L....signed and complained about the cruelty.

Agnes H (144)
Friday June 18, 2010, 5:20 am
Thank you Carole, I don't think people have to worry about the animals anymore if it's true what I saw in our papers this morning? They'll all be cooked enough for you to eat as BP has set the oil alight! I was wondering whether you heard about that although I haven't read all the comments I'm afraid as I would be at it till midnight and I don't fancy that I'm afraid.

This is getting me down and Les said if I don't give it a rest and end up in hospital again he's going to ban me from care as I'm getting more and more depressed with everything that's happening to our animals especially to the Marine Mammals here AND over there in the Gulf. As for that Republican apologizing to BP I thought that was rediculous. He should be working for the people NOT BP!!!

As you can immagine I'll do anything and everything to stop them drilling in our waters and NZ waters as they've both been talking about that and we've got a very lovely beach here and the Dolphins and Whales especially the Humpback Whales come inside the bays. On top of that we've got all the coral reefs as well with it's ecosystem and I'd hate to loose that as you well can immagine. We've still got a beautiful shoreline and we're trying our best to keep it that way. I'd go and demostrate but my problem is the wheelchair. No one seems to be willing to come and pick me and the chair up so that I can join in!!!!

Kenneth L (314)
Friday June 18, 2010, 5:33 am
I once wrote a little blog that EVERYONE is an 'environmentalist'. If that means every one is living in and off of an environment then it logically follows that every one must be aware of and responsible for the condition the environment they live in and off of is in. Or bad things will happen to themselves and their environment. It really is quite simple.
So environmentalists are not just a few 'special' people, with weird or wacko interests or ideas, EVERYONE is an 'environmentalist.'

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 6:29 am
Just Carol, You said it all with this one sentences.

"In reality, the government is under orders from corporations."

This is the problem in a nut shell. We the people have let these Corporations get so big that they rule the entire world. BP, Exxon, Monsanto you can name them as well as I can and they rule, we do not. They tell us what to wear, what to eat, what to drive and what to use to stay warm. They control every aspect of our lives, yet they are not human, they don't have feelings and their profit is all they care about. In order to get our lives back we must break the Corporations hold on us. If we don't we are in for more of the same. We are nothing but Corporate Zombies as it stands now. We have no power unless we come to the realization that we are all being used. Corporation should not have any power when it comes to electing our Government but over the years little by little they have bought off our Government and they own it. The way it stands now they have all the power and they are getting bigger by the day. (They are all to big to fail)

Kevin Miller (26)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:15 am
**Sometimes I think we would have been better off without this so-called progress that was the Industrial Revolution.**

Nikola Tesla—The Man Who Electrified The World!!

Tesla warned us about our overconsumption of oil. The robberbarons like JP Morgan and Westinghouse stomped out his beautiful ideas. He warned us of the pitfalls of oil during the industrial revolution itself. We can also thank one of our great American inventor Thomas Edison (now General Electric) for his efforts to ruin Tesla. If we all just listened to the Serbian Immigrant over 130 years ago. We would have led a different technological revolution, possibly not so oil based.

**"In reality, the government is under orders from corporations." **

Corporatocracy or corpocracy is a form of government where corporations, conglomerates or government entities with private components, control the direction and governance of a country.

John Perkins has wrote extensively on this subject is a link. GREAT READS.


Kevin Miller (26)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:20 am

description of a totally societal change. of going from a consumption based economy to a resource based....interesting idea.

Let me know what you all think, feasible or fairy tale?

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:12 am
Kevin, The Venus Project as I see it is the only way we will survive this, as you put it "Corporatocracy" I think it is very feasible, and the sooner the better as I see it. One thing is very sure to me, we can not go on with corporate rule, if we do we will implode from within, but that's probably whats going to have to happen in order to free us from Corporate rule.

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:20 am
To all the many questions here about the disaster and possible attempts or solutions to it, let me add one more "why": WHY for heaven's sake has no one yet picked up and tried out that idea of using oil eating bacteria /microbes? In the early days of the katastrophe this was spread on the www, there was a video about it as well, but ever since I have never read anything about it any more. By now that gush has definitely grown way too large for this method, I guess, but in the beginning it might have helped.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:35 am
Angelika, They probably didn't want to eat the oil up with bacteria /microbes because if it's all gone they can't profit from it. As long as it is leaking they can catch some of it and still use and profit from it.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:48 am
Nikola Tesla invented the electric car and J P Morgan, Rockefeller and Henry Ford stole it from him and that's why we are drive oil burning monsters today instead of the electric cars we should be driving.

Thanks for the link to Nikola Tesla, Kevin
If you haven't read it people, please do it is very interest, here it is again...

Angelika R (143)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:55 am
Cynthia, that's right! My thoughts as well. What a crying shame!!!! And I bet that we here will be driving electric cars before you know it, there are a thousand already on the roads for extended testing. The batteries still need improvement but they're working on that, too.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:03 am
So many thoughts have been running through my mind since I left this thread late last night. 
(I wondered why the "cash for clunkers" program didn't focus on clean energy cars, for one thing.)
Then, I started thinking about how could people lessen their dependence upon fossil fuels beyond just campaigning for more production of environmentally safe vehicles.
I found the following article, and although I was aware of many of these things, some others surprised me:
From Asprin to Upholstery: 60 Surprising Products Made from Oil

"Beyond plastics, oil appears in thousands of products we use every day, in many different categories. What can we learn from the Gulf oil spill?"

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:03 am
I want to add one more thing. Someone said that we will probably have to drill more wells to keep up with our dependencies.
NO WE DON'T this is a lie told to us by the profiteers.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:11 am
Yes many things are made from oil. Why is that? Because we have all been convinced that we need these things by, guess who.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:31 am
In my email today from Public Citizen:
Stunning Statistic of the Week:
$20 billion: Size of fund BP has agreed to create to pay for claims associated with the Gulf oil disaster.
$239 billion: BP's sales and other operating revenue in 2009.
$9 million - $14.5 million: The value of stock in oil and gas companies held by members of the House of Representatives and Senate who are charged with oil and gas oversight.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:44 am
Personally I don't think 20 billion will be enough by the time this is over.

Amena Andersson (187)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:44 am
"Are they that stupid, or just that greedy and uncaring?"

Corporations are not human. They feel neither greed nor caring. They have one purpose, one function: to make profit. To make as much profit as they are able, any way they are able. That is why we must strip them of their "human rights."

Past Member (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:46 am
Hi Everyone, I'm glad to see that there are so many concerned here. Nick is right, " there are still republcans wanting to drill more... " I was hired through a temp agency to work at a printing and distributing company, that worked for all conservative right wing campaigns against many humanist notions which they claimed were propaganda. This was including the notion that there is any real issue with oil being a viable source of energy - we just didn't want them to be able to drive their cars to work! I refused this job assignment of course. I'm still unemployed.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:48 am
From NaturalNews:
As the BP oil catastrophe demonstrates, corporations now threaten life on our planet. Their greed may drown us all in a tidal wave of destruction that could impair our chances for sustainable human life on our planet.
Today's feature story delves into this issue in more detail while daring to ask the question: Should We the People rise up against corporations like BP and make a massive citizens' arrest of their executives?
Read more at:

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 10:06 am
Good read Carol, I'm not sure about a armed revolt against Corporations though. I would have to give that some thought. I suppose as a last resort it may come to that.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 10:08 am

Hehehehe . . . Yeah, I thought that was over the top too! After all, if it would come to that, it would mean that corporations were still in control -- which means they'd also own our military.

I'm not ready for a suicide mission.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 10:13 am
Carlotta F. You are my Hero, Although I know it's tuff to be out of a job. I hope you find one real soon.

John Farnham (52)
Friday June 18, 2010, 10:28 am
"Armed revolt against the corporations" would constitute a National Emergency.
I don't know how much New World Order information is accepted as realistic rather than stupid alarmism by ignorant people ( that's a propaganda technique known as Poisoning the Well argumentation ) by the pattern of destruction is clear. And it includes water,food,sanitation : necessities of life.
Because the 'explanations' for this become so wild it is difficult for people to credit that there is real data supporting systemic dysfunction on a global scale : that even the Illuminati stories are no stranger than reality.
Yet people read stories about 'Bonesmen' and Bu$h's membership and don't connect the dots.
YouTube has an absolutely incredible intelligence network available. Because people seemed incapable of working with that - and my Internet connection is a classic example of why it is not a 'One Size Fits All' solution - I try to steer people to the old sites online which have tried to educate people to Realpolitik for years.
But that message is easy to lose in the datastream Icinio,Third World Traveler,Cassiopean Conspiracy are only jumping off points into the DarkNet which has predicted emergencies.
Even I, who don't do much of that, noticed that suppression of violent dissent became the media message as soon as Obama's 'win' was confirmed. That's one reason why 'Habeas Corpus' was rescinded. People don't have any idea of the importance of the old Great Charter of 1215 in Britain upon current rights.
We have fewer legal protections than British land slaves of almost 800 years ago.
Rense has the story that was also noted by Digby - a noted commentator who was honoured live a few years back : she's very good - at AlterNet.
This story goes beyond scary. I haven't tracked down the weirdest part yet : that the borehole goes miles deep into the Earth which is why the pressure is unlike anything experienced before.
If you can't get it to work, go to the main site and navigate from there. It's also listed at Collections Forwarded to Blogger along with the RSS feeds at where the essentials of setting up information gathering are explained.
I'm no geek. This is designed for almost anyone to use.

Past Member (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 10:38 am
They ARE that stupid, or just that greedy and uncaring.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 10:41 am

Wow, thanks for the links, John F. I will definitely be looking into that. One thing's for sure, we are NOT being told the truth.

I've often said that, once you can wrap your mind around the fact that 9-11 was an inside job, NOTHING seems too evil for this government to consider any more.

L X (529)
Friday June 18, 2010, 11:21 am
Clean, renewable energy rocks! Every government in the world has to change over from hydrocarbons now, before everything we know is gone.

Arielle S (313)
Friday June 18, 2010, 11:45 am
Thank you, Carole, for being angry and frustrated and wanting to do something that makes a difference - and many thanks to all who truly care and feel. It does help to know there are many of us. Like many of you, I've been watching the news and Anderson Cooper, been signing petitions, been emailing the White House, been harassing my congressional folks - but until our yelling becomes a huge, angry roar, I'm not sure we're doing enough. I know nothing about him, but I've been really impressed with Billy Nungesser from New Orleans - he's just so frustrated with the lack of organization and help (from both BP and the feds) that he's taken matters into his own hands more than once. That this mess should go on this long is unforgivable - we can assign blame later on, but now we just need to stop that leak and clean this up And since we can't BE there, we need to keep at the folks who can get this done....and keep at them and keep at them and keep at them.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 11:53 am

Thanks so much for understanding my angst, Arielle! What I'm most afraid of is that, with a few well-chosen words from the PTB, folks will decide that this is now being taken care of . . . and, therefore, time to move on to the next news.

That's exactly what BP (and the other big oil suppliers, together with many members of our government) would like. That's why BP is strangling the media and lying incessantly, so that we will be lulled into a false sense of security.

WE MUST NOT LET THAT HAPPEN! We must refuse to be sidetracked, now that our eyes are opening!


John Farnham (52)
Friday June 18, 2010, 12:53 pm
Well, I found out about the depth of the hole. It's a world record.Relief well coming right up. Maybe not.
And you can see why I wouldn't want to cite him as an 'authority' when merchandising meets with wild prophecy.
But wow. What an infosite.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 1:53 pm
Speaking of the animals . . . I just received this from Citizens For Legitimate Government:
BP Workers Burning Turtles Caught in Oil Booms --BP Blocks Attempt to Save Endangered Sea Turtles from Oil Spill (Sea Turtle Restoration Project) 16 Jun 2010 A shrimp boat captain in Louisiana hired by BP was blocked from rescuing juvenile Kemp's ridleys that were covered in oil in the Gulf waters. He was captured on video saying that the turtles are being collected in the clean-up efforts and burned up like so much ocean debris with other marine life gathering along tide lines where oil also congregates. He witnessed BP workers burning turtles caught in the oil booms. Rescue efforts are being ended tomorrow. STRP's Gulf Director Carole Allen responded to the news by saying "The burning of boom and oil when even one sea turtle was seen in the water is a despicable crime."

Matthew Cloner (114)
Friday June 18, 2010, 2:09 pm
I join everyone else who is sick of the current disaster in the Gulf. And the thing that makes my blood boil is knowing that the people who live down there are seeing their way of life being destroyed by a company that doesn't give the slightest damn about them. It will take this part of our country a generation at least to recover from this mess. Thanks, Carole, for posting this!

Nancy M (197)
Friday June 18, 2010, 2:11 pm
I just noticed than only 94 people have noted this item. I think it should be more. Other articles have received higher notes. Everyone, keep forwarding to your friends list.

Past Member (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 2:33 pm
Well, it is time for everyone to wake up and smell the coffee. I have been writing for some time now trying to inform people that we have to go to alnernate energy and recycling. The gulf is DEAD AND WILL BE DEAD FOR A LONG TIME, THANKS TO THE OIL PEOPLE OUT OF TEXAS. I certainly hope that everyone has opened their eyes finally and realized what the oil idustry has done to damage the environment, wildlife and the lives of everyone on this planet. And the people up north need to begin to pay attention to this as they are so dependant on oil to heat their houses in the winter. SOMEONE NEEDS TO WARN THEM OF THE IMPENDING DANGERS OF THE DISASTER IN THE GULF

Past Member (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 3:50 pm
ENOUGH ALREADY WITH USING PURE SPRING WATER TO FEED OIL DRILLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE CAN LIVE WITHOUT FOOD FOR A VERY LONG TIME, BUT WITHOUT WATER, WE WILL BE DEAD IN A VERY SHORT TIME. NO MORE OIL DRILLING. Not only is this disaster in the Gulf, but there are so many others that are already leaking and ready to explode and now we have so many disasters inland, Thanks so much to oil drilling without safety measures in place.

sue M (184)
Friday June 18, 2010, 3:50 pm
The American people are not stupid nor should they ever be given the disrespect that this handling on the Bp spill has given us.
I think I speak for the most when I saw we all know this is another cover up, another 9/11 and another bailout. We know fine well that the Pres and congress are doing nothing but putting up another smoke screen to hide the criminal activity of Bp.

It is also obvious nothing will hurt Bp as seen by their deep involvement with not only our gov, court system but other govs and judicial systems across the planet with their extensive history of corruption. Then there is their hefty bank accounts which you or I would never even dream of ever having that it makes it almost impossible to get any real justice for this travesty.

No one nor, any entity has a guarantee of infinity in criminal activities. They all get caught in the end and are their own cause of demise. they are digging a very deep grave for themselves and will not be able to climb out unless we help them.
So, it seems they have appointed us as their executioners.

A job I don't mind seeing through. Ban Bp from the US period and get rid of congress that are for Bp.


Friday June 18, 2010, 4:05 pm
I'd prefer no more drilling. We have sun and wind...and should invest in using them.

sue M (184)
Friday June 18, 2010, 4:08 pm
I would too Marilyn but it ain't gonna happen over night. How many do you know who can go out and buy an electric car right now or have the $$$ to install solar or wind?

Elaine R (130)
Friday June 18, 2010, 4:38 pm

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 4:40 pm

(hehehehe) Well said, Elaine!

. (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 4:48 pm
Noted, signed...Just Carole hun...take a valium. This is "Nurse Holly"speaking. Your tighter than a top my lovely!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 4:49 pm

I'm okay, Holly. It's good to be surrounded by people with like concerns.

Thanks for noting the article.

Nancy M (197)
Friday June 18, 2010, 4:54 pm
There is something about this idea of corporations being citizens. If they are citizens, then arrest them and throw them in jail and throw away the key. Every single executive of BP.

Rhonda Maness (580)
Friday June 18, 2010, 5:03 pm
Thanks Carole

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 5:15 pm
And . . . as Sir Robert's submission confirms, it's still getting even worse:
Gulf Oil Spill Full Of Methane, Adding New Concerns

Julija M (2)
Friday June 18, 2010, 5:50 pm

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 6:29 pm
I wanted to promote some other noteworthy news stories posted here that are touching on these discussions:
Endangered Sea Turtles Are Being Burned Alive in BP's Cleanup Efforts!
The Ten Essential Renewable Energy News Stories This Week

Disaster Capitalists: Halliburton to Make Money Off Oil Spill
Dallas Law Firm Cautions Spill Workers About Benzene Exposure
Gulf Oil Spill Full Of Methane, Adding New Concerns
Please feel free to add your own!

Deana P (286)
Friday June 18, 2010, 6:41 pm
Extremely Heartbreaking!!!!

John Farnham (52)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:00 pm
I do politics - and follow some 'alternative news'. Judging by the sentiments I read here, you need to input righteous directed outrage by someone who's good at it. Here's one that gave me a grin a while back...and likely even some legal validity if fair trial was possible. Scrolling back through Len's blog should not be 'work' : I think him a fantastic writer.
Now, before you write all this off as ridiculous rants, there's a point of law you should realize. Incorporation is a means to Evade 'personhood'. When the Supreme Court rescinded that...all sorts of legal arguments become possible. Works for me, anyway.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:01 pm

(smile) I love you, John!

Luisa Fox (144)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:09 pm
I cannot bear to look at those poor penguins or the ecological disaster threatening the environment as we speak. Awful, more than awful it's unbelievable yet so true. Hard to believer some repubs have not heart not just for our fellow human beings, for the entire disaster befalling our shores.

Jill P (64)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:15 pm
$20 billion: Size of fund BP has agreed to create to pay for claims associated with the Gulf oil disaster.
$239 billion: BP's sales and other operating revenue in 2009.
$9 million - $14.5 million: The value of stock in oil and gas companies held by members of the House of Representatives and Senate who are charged with oil and gas oversight. Republicans AND Democrats! They are the same Party folks!

The Endangered Species Coalition has the Pelican Pledge donations to help fight future offshore drilling.
They also have a petition.
I will have more resources for you later when I have time. More local coastal groups needing donations and volunteers.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:18 pm

Thanks, Jill! You go girl!

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:21 pm
PETITION signed!  (Hope all others will follow.)

Jill P (64)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:28 pm
These are some groups I know had a local rally near the coast. I have not had time to check them out.
Save Our Shores
1 Sky They are having a "Hands Across the Sand" demonstration June 26.
Energy Action Coalition They are fighting for clean energy and have demonstrations, and have a call in actions you can make.
Heart of the Earth They have all kinds of info on the spill and a pledge to take.
All these groups were at a local (near Florida coastline in Tallahassee, FL) rally about the spill a few weeks ago.

Cynthia Davis (340)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:30 pm
Signed Pelican Pledge Petition TY Jill

Jill P (64)
Friday June 18, 2010, 7:37 pm
Another petition from Center for Biologic Diversity.

Every day, people ask us what they can do about the catastrophe in the Gulf. Here's one concrete thing: end our addiction to oil.

The Center for Biological Diversity and took an historic step in the desperate fight against climate catastrophe when we petitioned the EPA to establish a national cap for greenhouse gas pollution under the Clean Air Act. The petition seeks to cap atmospheric CO2 at 350 parts per million, the level leading scientists say is necessary to avoid the worst impacts of global warming.

More than 100 groups signed on in support of our legal petition. Tens of thousands of individuals are lending their names, including the nation's preeminent climate scientist, Dr. James Hansen, author Barbara Kingsolver, musician Bonnie Raitt, and actor Ed Begley, Jr.

Please take one minute to join us in moving toward a real solution to oil spills by calling on the EPA to do its job as science, the law, the tragedy in the Gulf, and common sense require. Sign the People's Petition to Cap Carbon at 350 parts per million today.

And if you've already signed the petition, thank you. But to reach 500,000 signatures, we need your help again. Please commit to getting just 10 friends to sign the People's Petition to Cap Carbon at 350 parts per million. You can forward this email or share this link on your Facebook page.

Click here to find out more and sign the petition.

If you have trouble following the link, go to



I support the legal petition filed by the Center for Biological Diversity and to the EPA to cap atmospheric carbon dioxide levels at 350 parts per million -- the level science says is necessary to avoid the worst impacts of global warming -- under the Clean Air Act.

For four decades, the Clean Air Act has protected the air we breathe through a proven, successful system of pollution control that saves lives and creates economic benefits exceeding its costs by many times. It's time to fully use one of our strongest existing tools for reducing greenhouse gas pollution: the Clean Air Act.

Now is the time to enforce the Act, not gut it. I urge you to move swiftly to grant the petition and enforce the Clean Air Act.

Ian MacLeod (79)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:09 pm
"There is something about this idea of corporations being citizens. If they are citizens, then arrest them and throw them in jail and throw away the key. Every single executive of BP."

This is something I've been writing my Congress critters about for YEARS! They have all of the privileges but none of the responsibilities or penalties for vilolating the law!


Luisa Fox (144)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:11 pm
Signed petition.

Thank you Jill.

Past Member (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:18 pm
In a Nat'l State of an emergency or a disaster all holes barred should be broken. Anyone and everyone should be allowed to come in an help. No one should have the complete POWER to control a situation that they cannot themselves even it is causing the problem to become an even more bigger problem while they are wanting to become the heros. This needs to be fixed no matter who can fix it.
Why don't we all stop buying new cars, and buy gas from everyone and start walking or bicycling to work and then the need for fuel will be cut and they will greatly suffer the lose and start to get our message...or take at least a taxi and cut the gas usage way down. We can't feed their greed if we are not using their products.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 18, 2010, 8:20 pm

Thanks, Dusty. (Hope you're doing well, my friend.)

Past Member (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 9:20 pm
Question= "$20 billion: Size of fund BP has agreed to create to pay for claims associated with the Gulf oil disaster". How can they already come to an agreement of the amount that BP will pay out in claims when it is not yet determined all the damages that have occurred to peoples health and lives and livelihood since the situation (disaster) is not over with as yet?

Another Question= I think my stroke screwed my brain up but for the life of me...I cannot remember what the heck fossil fuels are. Can anyone explain it to me?

What I do not understand...when the inspectors come in and write out a violation (citation) on an oil-rig, how come that oil rig is allowed to continue to keep on operating while it is defective? Shouldn't they be forced to be shut down until the problem is fixed and then re-inspected again and then be given the approval to start back up or not start back up again?

Past Member (0)
Friday June 18, 2010, 10:31 pm
Thank you Carol for posting , and Nancy M. for forwarding.
I wonder is this problem so hard to be solved, all the peoples I have met and contacted, said that they have ideas to solve this -dilemma-, but they are not allowed to do any thing.
is it a real dilemma? I don't think so, I believe that with peoples like you we can force them and solve this problem ourselves,
with peoples like you I could see the clean gulf in my eyes. yes we must not give up, we can make a change.
Thanks a gain Carole, hope if I could Give you a green Star for your awareness about our nature, :)

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 12:10 am
Dusty - from Wiki:

Fossil fuel is a hydrocarbon deposit occurring within the Earth's crust, such as petroleum, coal, or natural gas which when burned with oxygen produce energy.

Fossil Fuels were formed as a result of geologic processes acting on the remains of plants and animals that lived and died hundreds of millions of years ago and got buried in the Earth's crust. The process of fossil fuels formation involved the exposure of these biological remains to extreme pressure and heat, and also took hundreds of millions of years.

Due to the extreme conditions and the time frame of the formation process, recreating it by humans is practically impossible. Hence the fossil fuels are considered the non-renewable ones.


Agnes H (144)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 4:02 am
Thank you Ian, I'll tell Dusty that you answered to her question, maybe she'll be well enough to come back into this site, if not I'll copy everything you wrote and send it to her as an e-mail here on Care2.

I'm so glad some of my friends desided to come and put their pennie's worth in it. As for Angelika she's new to care2 and only has 2 friends at the moment. Maybe someone else might like to give her a go? She works hard and has a go at everything you send her!

Alyona F (0)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 4:06 am
OH, MY...
I hope, you're wrong, Rob. Oh, I hope, you are! Don't take me wrong. If this disaster is really as horrible, as you described it, the world will never be the same, really.
Well, but it was always a question of time, wasn't it?..

Ben O (171)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 6:31 am
For a SUSTAINABLE Future; - (In my GREEN World...)
The ignorant reactonairies keep saying "This is nonsense, it's impossible..." etc, etc...
-Don't listen to them! They took us to where we are now, and it couldn't get much worse...could it...??? Let's get off this freaking high speed train, taking us to The Point of No Return!
If not NOW - WHEN???

Ben O (171)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 10:23 am
If You haven't done so; please sign the Avaaz petition
485,426 have signed up to date.
(I think the petition should be delivered NOW)

Ben O (171)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 10:26 am
May I add; most people see me as a naive dreamer...
...could I care less? -Probably not, I don't give a shit!

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 11:24 am
The wildlife affected,Dead and dying just breaks my heart..I heard from ( Progressive Radio, Air America) that BP knew about the fissures and crack in the ocean floor back in February 2010,and did nothing.Does that not raise a red flag?

Teresa P (128)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 12:42 pm
noted and looked at comments and signed petitions. We as a people and the government need to use and create more ways to use renewable energy. The science is there it needs to be acted upon and stressed that we do these things for our planet.

Sir Walk F (124)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 2:01 pm
Petition Obama to place BP under "Temporary Receivership"

:It’s time for the federal government to put BP (BP) under temporary receivership, which gives the government authority to take over BP’s operations in the Gulf of Mexico until the gusher is stopped. This is the only way the public know what’s going on, be confident enough resources are being put to stopping the gusher, ensure BP’s strategy is correct, know the government has enough clout to force BP to use a different one if necessary, and be sure the President is ultimately in charge."

John Farnham (52)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 4:40 pm
Ian and Dusty
Just because I'm feeling there's way too much going on that people take at face value - when scientists don't - here's something the Russians have been playing with that goes against 'Conventional Wisdom'. ( Anybody else think that's an oxymoron in a media controlled world ? )
Abiotic Theory
If abiotic oil exists, where is it?
So quit looking up to the bright boys as if they were Gods already. They just get to make more expensive mistakes.

Kevin Miller (26)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 5:17 pm
that link as a lot of stuff in it. from abiotic theory to peak oil, and price manipulation. (lets hope abiotic just remains a theory, or else Repubs will jump all over claiming how oil is all nature and what not)

**here's something the Russians have been playing with that goes against 'Conventional Wisdom'. ( Anybody else think that's an oxymoron in a media controlled world ? **
Russians love to fight our orthodoxy, most of their scientists still believe the lunar landing is a fraud due to the fact that theoretically the astronauts should have been bombarded by too many cosmic rays and their suits should not have been enough to suffice.
Just love to find research that always counteracts against the mainstream orthodoxy. Knowledege is power, and people need to start looking at new angles for themselves. Great links John.

Saturday June 19, 2010, 6:57 pm
Just go girl! ;)

Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 7:28 pm
Dusty, Glad to see you here. Glad you are doing better.

Linda G (187)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 7:51 pm
What is so sad is that drilling for oil in America does not guarantee that the oil stays in America. We know that oil is sold on world markets so drilling here does NOT reduce our dependence on foreign oil. Nothing will break our dependence on oil until we kick our addiction.

We need real leadership to break our fossil fuel energy addiction now. The jobs currently used in those industries can be changed to jobs in clean energy sources, research, development and implementation.

I wish President Obama would rally us all in this national disaster to get off our addiction. It's long past time!

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 8:19 pm
Thank you Iab for takibg the time to expleain it to me in plain simple language that I could understand . Thenk you!

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday June 19, 2010, 11:13 pm
More than welcome, Dusty! I hope things improve for you rapidly and perfectly!

Please to consider yourself (gently) hugged!


Brigitte T (69)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 6:00 am
Must watch

BP Oil - Thanks for the Memories...

. (0)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 6:21 am
I usually do not repeat comments . . . But this is my thought for the day:

There's a whole lot of trouble coming our way -- if standard 'business as usual' paradigms do not immediately shift to alternative energies.

Some critics say it's alread too late, but we should never give up until the blatant end!

Noted & Shared on Facebook too -- Thank you Just C. for posting.

Beyond Petroleum 2010 - The Fate We Make (Videos) & DAY 61: Daily Gulf Coast Crisis Coverage - Volconvo Debate Forums

Beyond Petroleum 2010 - The Fate We Make (Videos) & DAY 61: Daily Gulf Coast Crisis Coverage - Care2 News Network

Robert S (111)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 11:46 am
It is truly vexing to hear people cry out that a moratorium on drilling will hurt them again on top of the hurt they have already sustained. This region is at once monetarily dependent on oil as it is on the gulfs once abundant wildlife. It seems a response much like worrying about the rent on a burning house, but I don't live there. It is frustrating to realize that going after BP with a vengeance would in some ways backfire. The 20 billion fund payed out 5 billion a year eases at least the monetary impact on people of the gulf in a way never received by those hurt by Exxon. For this I take my hat off to Obama, not withstanding his failings before and since this disaster.

The Cult of Corporate citizenship is poison to our democracy and if we do not put everything we have behind alternative energy and election reform we invite an larger calamity which grows more imminent every day.

The term, "pointing fingers", is an interesting term. While I understand the need to not become bogged down in recrimination. In order to find solutions and punish wrongdoing, and properly regulate, we must look to that which led us to this point and fight back against "it that created this problem", not just the problem itself. And while it can be truly said that no one's hands are clean within our government, within our media, and among many who comprise that which we call, "we the people" thing in this past week has been brought into clear focus. Republicans...with some and very few exceptions, are interested in nothing...absolutely nothing... but defending the bottom lines of those who give them money. When this idiot apologized to BP last week, he was not a lone gunman but a representative of the Conservative stand and perspective and philosophy that has been in full force since Bush and before. A philosophy who's allegiance is not, our people, our way of life, except as that way of life can further sustain there Corporate masters profits and continued donations.

So while I do not say that Democrats are without blame or fault, I do keep perspective, consider recent historical context, and and am reminded always of the imperfect Carter, evoking such popular ridicule for his solar panels and attempts to change our course. What ever we do, it won't be easy. We don't have to point at people though we could. We must however understand that what got us here is a philosophy, which has championed the ridicule of regulation by government in favor it Corporate self regulation, i.e., the banks, and big oil. Government being successfully equated with Communism while Corporate rape of our nation is equated with freedom and liberty.
Stopping the gush and Cleaning this up... if possible, is number one. Keeping it from happening again is number two. Number three in my opinion is election finance reform and a paper trail, or they will steal elections and have. If we want our government to represent our interests as a people and not the bottom line of a few, the money gusher is polluting our nation, elections, and media as much as oil in that it enabled oil to rule at half or more of those who once "elected".... rule us.

Brigitte C (60)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 12:12 pm

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 12:20 pm

The dependence upon fossil fuels (oil and coal, in particular) MUST END . . . the processes to capture them, and the resultant ecological damage -- do not justify continuing their use -- when it's already been acknowledged that we should restrain/end our dependence upon them (by ALL parties, except the corporations profiting from them).

Instead of giving this gratuitous lip service (only to assuage the demands of those truly concerned with the future of our ecosystem, while re-assuring the whore-mongering and uncaring corporations), our government needs to GET SERIOUS and devote finances and time into developing/implementing alternative, renewable/sustainable energy sources and devoting stimuli packages for corporations who present viable solutions.

This will ONLY happen when citizens quit thinking outside their own small comfort zones and concentrate on the future of this planet . . . their children . . . their grandchildren.


Robert S (111)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 1:35 pm
Many in our government and in our nation live from the Corporate tit and can not, or will not, think past the next rent payment or electoral donation/election. In the case of the people, I have some sympathy. Homelessness makes ecology and politics seem less urgent as the landlord and or bank does not cut slack because people try to do the right thing. As for politicians. Election reform is the only answer I see.

I wonder what ten more liberal votes would do toward our goals instead of allowing the customary knee jerk lurch toward the right. I will work for that.

We must for our survival work toward change and it must happen yesterday. "We" with the elections of clowns who worshiped profit over everything and who have demanded and received deregulation of the Corporate "persons" have squandered precious time. We can not get that back. We have our votes and all that politics with all its foibles... or the gun, and I will leave talk of that solution to the "drill now" crowd who says if they don't win control... then for their countries sake, (Unregulated Corporate America), they will have to resort to 2nd amendment remedies. As much as I know that we are headed toward the rocks, this is chess. We play for huge stakes, i.e., to avoid those rocks. Its not checkers, though I wish it were, and the moves toward victory were more clear cut. I know what must be done. Getting things done is less easy, especially when you have one party who can and does stop any and all change that might offend their clients,i.e., most filibusters in history.

If we do nothing they win. If we are not intelligent enough to attack the sources of the problems, and be careful to not give aid to the enemy, we loose.

Nancy M (62)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 1:35 pm
This is too painful to handle. I can't stand the thougfht of all the suffering this has induced. I agree, we should be going all-out looking for energy alternatives. Maybe this was our very rude awakening.

Brigitte T (69)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 1:39 pm
From Brasscheck:

A Deadly Bubble Forming?

I sincerely hope that the information
on this video is not plausible.

Unfortunately I think it is.


- Brasscheck

Brigitte T (69)
Sunday June 20, 2010, 2:37 pm
Gulf oil spill:
A Hole in the World

By Naomi Klein

This Gulf coast crisis is about many things - corruption, deregulation, the addiction to fossil fuels. But underneath it all, it's about this: our culture's excruciatingly dangerous claim to have such complete understanding and command over nature that we can radically manipulate and re-engineer it with minimal risk to the natural systems that sustain us.

Justme I. (0)
Monday June 21, 2010, 12:04 am
Imagine a world where there is no reliance on dirty fuel! Imagine a world where energy is affordable and clean. Imagine a world where a disaster like the Deepwater Horizon Gulf Gusher will never happen again – guaranteed! There are many things we can imagine….

I leave it to your own imagination.

What can you do right now?

You can learn as much as you can about these new innovations and technologies. You can start asking pertinent questions of your governments and authorities. You can find out why this information has been withheld from you personally, and the world as a whole. You can push for openness and transparency, and see to it that starting immediately – research takes place to develop these sources of future energy supplies.

there is more information avaialble on the internet see just-me-in-t. com blogspot

Past Member (0)
Monday June 21, 2010, 12:40 am
We can not throw out the baby with the bath water. Yes, this is a big problem, but we still need oil and can not change to another energy source very quickly. As bad as this is, it is still not as bad as a nuclear release!
We need to get rid of nuclear reactors first!

Robert S (111)
Monday June 21, 2010, 7:09 am
Correction of nonsensical last sentence of mine in last paragraph Sunday June 20, 2010, 11:46 am

If we want our government to represent our interests as a people, and not the bottom line of a few, the money gusher that is also polluting our nation, our elections, and the media must be stopped as much as oil, in that it enables big oil through money, to control outright, half or more of those who once "elected", represent oil and decide all things in favor of oil, coal, banks, military industry, etc, to our grandchildrens determent.

Robert S (111)
Monday June 21, 2010, 7:10 am
detriment...damn it, Oh well, time to go make the donuts.

Ian MacLeod (79)
Monday June 21, 2010, 8:01 am
Another problem: ever wonder why the sudden big push to make television transmissions all digital and as many as possible by cable or owned frequencies? Time was it was a practical and legal DEMAND to require television networks to DONATE time to legitimate candidates so that they didn't have to depend on contributions for air-time and the hold of the corporations wouldn't be nearly so great. The airwaves were considered part of the Commons. Now that almost all TV comes to us via proprietary cables etc., they're not using any part of the Commons, but their own equipment, or renting some other corporation's gear. Requiring donated airtime - which doesn't go "over the air" at all for most part any more - is demanding money out of their pockets. More disempowerment.


Carole Sarcinello (338)
Tuesday June 22, 2010, 7:55 am
More than 100 people in the Gulf have reported identical illnesses from BP's oil spill, and that doesn't include untold numbers of workers hiding their symptoms for fear of being fired by BP.
Yet, despite clear evidence that cleanup workers are sick, BP won't provide respirators. Why not? For starters, BP is afraid that news footage of people wearing this critical safety equipment will show the public just how bad the spill is.
No amount of good PR is worth the health and lives of people battling BP's oil in the Gulf Coast.
Tell BP: Don't put PR above cleanup workers' health. SIGN THE PETITION!

Robert S (111)
Tuesday June 22, 2010, 3:06 pm
Went to sign. Turns out, I already had. I seem to be loosing track.

Robert S (111)
Tuesday June 22, 2010, 4:01 pm

Robert S (111)
Tuesday June 22, 2010, 4:05 pm
The principal reason our lawmakers and candidates have to dial for dollars, suck up to contributors and teeter on the brink of quid pro quo is that they need the dough to buy campaign ads on television and radio.

The broadcast industry will take in more than $4 billion this year for running political and issue ads. That money is as tainted by its dependence on the campaign finance system as the money flowing to narco cartels is by its dependence on drug addiction. Yet because our political system, unlike many other democracies, requires campaign airtime to be paid for by candidates rather than being provided to them for free, we practically guarantee that those candidates will be vulnerable to pressure from special interests and terrified of the consequences of committing random acts of integrity.

But it's even worse than that. The airwaves that the candidates are forced to rent, with money they are forced to humiliate and indenture themselves to acquire, are actually owned by the public. Television stations are licensed -- for no fee -- to act as the public's trustees, and what the stations do with that trusteeship is to propagate and profit handsomely from the congressional shakedown machine.

So we give television stations our broadcast spectrum for free, and they sell those airwaves to our political representatives, who in turn sell us out to special interests, in exchange for the money to pay for the deceitful, insulting and effective ads that put them and keep them in office.

Robert S (111)
Tuesday June 22, 2010, 6:08 pm

Jelica R (144)
Tuesday June 22, 2010, 9:16 pm

Tell BP: Stop burning endangered sea turtles alive.


Robert S (111)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 4:56 pm
talk about bad news...

Our quest for energy seems to be having some disturbing effects a number of places and in a number of ways.

Robert S (111)
Thursday June 24, 2010, 5:22 pm

The future of BP’s offshore oil operations in the Gulf of Mexico has been thrown into doubt by the recent drilling disaster and court wrangling over a moratorium.
Untested Drilling in a Sensitive Area of Alaska

Damon Winter/The New York Times

The BP drilling station on the artificial island in the Beaufort Sea. Because of its location on the artificial island, it has been exempted from the moratorium on offshore drilling.

But about three miles off the coast of Alaska, BP is moving ahead with a controversial and potentially record-setting project to drill two miles under the sea and then six to eight miles horizontally to reach what is believed to be a 100-million-barrel reservoir of oil under federal waters.

All other new projects in the Arctic have been halted by the Obama administration’s moratorium on offshore drilling, including more traditional projects like Shell Oil’s plans to drill three wells in the Chukchi Sea and two in the Beaufort.

But BP’s project, called Liberty, has been exempted as regulators have granted it status as an “onshore” project even though it is about three miles off the coast in the Beaufort Sea. The reason: it sits on an artificial island — a 31-acre pile of gravel in about 22 feet of water — built by BP.


Jelica R (144)
Friday June 25, 2010, 9:44 pm

More petitions:

GoPetition: Lift Jones Act to get Foreign Aid in Gulf Of Mexico

GoPetition: Debar British Petroleum

GoPetition: Stop BP From Drilling in the Rocky Mountains

Oil Change International: The separation of oil and state

Endangered Species Coalition: Never Again: Save Wildlife from Deadly Oil Spills

Endangered Species Coalition: Stop BP from burning turtles alive in the oil spill

Repower America: Demand a Strong Senate Energy Bill

TrueMajority: Boycott BP Oil Spill = Wake Up Call!

Firedoglake: Tell BP: Put Cleanup Workers' Health Before Your PR

Oceana: Save Both Coasts from Offshore Drilling

Oceana: Don’t Sacrifice the Oceans in the Name of Climate Change

Oceana: Protect Our Oceans From Offshore Drilling

Oceana: Stop the Drill

Brave New Foundation: Stop the bribes! Demand clean energy!

Sierra Club: Don't Drill Our Coasts

Sierra Club: Ask your Senator to cosponsor the Livable Communities Act (S.1619.)

Sierra Club: President Obama: Let's Move Beyond Oil!

Sea Turtle Restoration Project: Rescue ALL Sea Turtles from Burning Oil

Consumers Union: Never again!

Center for Biological Diversity: Protect Our Coasts From New Drilling

Sea Turtle Restoration Project: Rescue ALL Sea Turtles from Burning Oil

Defenders of Wildlife: Take Action for Sea Turtles, Pelicans and Other Coastal Wildlife

Center for Biological Diversity: Burned Alive - Help Stop BP from Torching Endangered Sea Turtles

Organizing for America: No Apologies



Carole Sarcinello (338)
Friday June 25, 2010, 9:45 pm

Thank you SO MUCH for posting that, Jelica! (I was hoping you would.)

Robert S (111)
Friday June 25, 2010, 9:55 pm

Jelica R (144)
Friday June 25, 2010, 10:20 pm

Well, I was skimming my mail and here they are. I may brag now that I don't have a single mail in my inbox older than 15 days, so there must be some petitions I overlooked. I'll post more this weekend.

Don't forget to join HANDS OVER SAND action tomorrow. I don't have a link at hand, so please, google it. The event is going on globally, find or organize your own!

Watch Watch Rachel Maddow gives fake Obama oil speech.


Julie van Niekerk (230)
Monday June 28, 2010, 10:13 pm
(B)ad (P)eople decided to do some mass animal killings and they succeeded.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 29, 2010, 1:47 am
not the change people wanted but it is a exclamation point to the way we have all lived our lives allowing greed and corrupt to flurish as long as we had the "good life".
protection insurance

Robert S (111)
Tuesday June 29, 2010, 6:23 am
Aussy 60 minutes on Gulf.

Carole Sarcinello (338)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 6:55 am
Urge President Obama to enact a permanent ban on all new offshore oil and gas exploration and development.

Robert S (111)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 3:51 pm
Signed J.C.

Robert S (111)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 3:55 pm
Bad to much worse...This is a gut wrenching thing to behold.
Oil spread leaves horror in its wake John Wathen, who photographed and documented the death of animals affected by the oil spill, joins Countdown to recap what he saw.


Robert S (111)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 5:20 pm

Cynthia Davis (340)
Thursday July 1, 2010, 8:27 pm
Signed Petition TY Carol

Robert S (111)
Saturday July 3, 2010, 5:44 am
Dear Robert,

Victory for Gulf Sea Turtles
I'm happy to report that there's finally a glimmer of good news for wildlife in the Gulf of Mexico.

Today, in response to heavy public criticism and facing a lawsuit from the Center for Biological Diversity and our partners, BP and the U.S. Coast Guard backed down and agreed to stop letting endangered sea turtles be burned alive during surface-oil cleanup operations.

This is a major stride in protecting these important, rare animals, including the highly endangered Kemp's ridley -- already under assault from the millions of gallons of toxic oil gushing into its marine and coastal environment.

Today's big announcement came just moments before a court hearing in New Orleans on our lawsuit brought with Turtle Island Restoration Network, Animal Welfare Institute and Animal Legal Defense Team. We're being represented in the suit by Meyer Gliztenstein & Crystal of Washington, D.C. The lawsuit seeks a temporary restraining order on oil-burning activities.

And it comes after your support earlier this week when we turned the public spotlight on BP by hand-delivering tens of thousands of petition signatures to the oil company, calling for an end to this gruesome practice. It means so much to be able to count on you when it's needed most for the imperiled plants, animals and wild spaces we work to protect. Thank you.

But it's not over yet. We'll need your continued help in supporting efforts to hold BP and the government accountable -- not only to safeguard sea turtles but to ensure that this mess is properly cleaned up and that a similar offshore drilling disaster never happens again.

Thanks again for your help in protecting endangered sea turtles in the Gulf, and I hope you share in this victory as you head into the holiday weekend.

I'll take it.

Peace, Robert

Robert S (111)
Monday July 5, 2010, 10:02 am
As if the Gulf were not enough...

Jelica R (144)
Sunday July 11, 2010, 7:28 pm

More petitions:

Center for Biological Diversity: People's Petition to Cap Carbon Dioxide Pollution at 350 Parts Per Million

Amazon Watch: Send Chevron a Message

Meek for Senate: Protect Florida's Coast: Say "No" to Offshore Drilling

Center for Biological Diversity: Protect Against New Drilling

Conservation International: Make Ocean Health a Global Priority

National Wildlife Federation Action Fund: Hold Big Oil Accountable for Paying the Full Cost

The Wilderness Society: Say No to Sarah Palin and Her Big Oil Allies

Sierra Club: Tell Obama to Stop Offshore Drilling Prevent Another Oil Spill: Rethink Offshore Drilling

Crude Awakening: President Obama: This is Your Crude Awakening President Obama: This is Your Crude Awakening

Jenni Miller World Citizen: BP Oil Spill Aid for ALL Gulf Nations

Center for Biological Diversity: Don’t Let BP Play Russian Roulette With the Arctic

EarthJustice: It's Time For Independence From Fossil Fuels!

Center for Biological Diversity: No New Offshore Drilling!

Center for Biological Diversity: Keep Air Clean - Cap Carbon Dioxide Pollution at 350 Parts Per Million

Center for Biological Diversity :Stop Risky Offshore Drilling Without Environmental Review

American Rights at Work: Don't put PR above cleanup workers' health

Center for Biological Diversity: Let the EPA Know You're Watching: Save Pine Creek From Mountaintop Removal

Center for Biological Diversity: •Support Rooftop Solar Energy

Center for Biological Diversity: Gulf Spill Disaster - No New Offshore Oil Drilling!

Center for Biological Diversity: Stop Risky Offshore Drilling Without Environmental Review

Center for Biological Diversity: Burned Alive - Help Stop BP from Torching Endangered Sea Turtles

Center for Biological Diversity: Don’t Let BP Play Russian Roulette With the Arctic

Center for Biological Diversity: People's Petition to Cap Carbon Dioxide Pollution at 350 Parts Per Million

Food and Water Watch: Don't Let Big Oil Off the Hook

Wilderness Society: Stop Shell Oil's Offshore Drilling Plans in the Arctic

Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund: Save Sea Turtles and Polar Bears from Big Oil's Double-Barreled Threat


Jelica R (144)
Sunday July 11, 2010, 7:32 pm

Sorry, missed link;

Center for Biological Diversity: Let the EPA Know You're Watching: Save Pine Creek From Mountaintop Removal

Robert S (111)
Sunday July 18, 2010, 9:03 am
Impact of the gusher going forward....on and on.

Robert S (111)
Monday July 19, 2010, 8:02 pm

Robert S (111)
Thursday July 22, 2010, 6:08 pm

Robert S (111)
Friday July 23, 2010, 8:00 pm

Robert S (111)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 10:01 am
Oil Rig’s Siren Was Kept Silent, Technician Says
Published: July 23, 2010

KENNER, La. — The emergency alarm on the Deepwater Horizon was not fully activated the day the oil rig caught fire and exploded, killing 11 people and setting off the massive spill in the Gulf of Mexico, a rig worker on Friday told a government panel investigating the accident.
The worker, Mike Williams, the rig’s chief electronics technician, said the general safety alarm was habitually set to “inhibited” to avoid waking up the crew with late-night sirens and emergency lights.
“They did not want people woke up at 3 a.m. from false alarms,” Mr. Williams told the federal panel of investigators. Consequently, the alarm did not sound during the emergency, leaving workers to relay information through the loudspeaker system.
While it is not known whether it would have saved the workers who died in the April 20 disaster, the lack of a fully functioning alarm hampered the effort to safely evacuate the rig, Mr. Williams said.
In a statement, Transocean, which leased the rig to BP, said workers were allowed to set the alarm to prevent it “from sounding unnecessarily when one of the hundreds of local alarms activates for what could be a minor issue or a non-emergency.”
“It was not a safety oversight or done as a matter of convenience,” the company said. Transocean also pointed to a separate audit of the rig in early April, in which inspectors testing the fire detection system found no detectors inhibited.
A six-member panel is investigating the disaster that unleashed the largest oil spill in United States history. At hearings this week here, crew members have described repeated failures in the weeks before the disaster, including power losses, computer crashes and leaking emergency equipment.
The rig’s history of mechanical errors was documented in a confidential audit conducted by BP seven months before the explosion and reviewed by The New York Times. According to the September 2009 document, four BP officials discovered that Transocean, the rig’s owner, had left 390 repairs undone, including many that were “high priority,” and would require a total of more than 3,500 hours of labor. It is unclear how many of the problems remained by the day of the catastrophe.
The 60-page audit found that previously reported errors had been ignored by Transocean. “Consequently, a number of the recommendations that Transocean had indicated as closed out had either deteriorated again or not been suitably addressed in the first place,” investigators wrote.
In a statement, BP said it had expected Transocean to take the audit seriously. “The goal is to have the contractor address all safety critical items in a prompt manner,” the statement said. “As we have previously said, the Deepwater Horizon tragedy had multiple potential causes, including equipment failure.”
During Friday’s hearing, witnesses addressed the role that shortcuts and mistakes played in compounding the rig’s troubles.
An engineering expert told investigators that the crew members had incorrectly performed a critical test of emergency equipment and did not detect a dangerous “kick” of gas roughly an hour before the explosion.
John R. Smith, a petroleum engineering professor at Louisiana State University, told investigators that rig data showed crew members had failed to correctly test the pressure in the well.
“The reality is it’s not a test at all, in my opinion,” Mr. Smith testified, after reviewing records of the crew’s actions. For months, survivors and Transocean officials have maintained that the well pressure test had been properly conducted.
Mr. Williams, who filed a lawsuit against Transocean in federal court in New Orleans on April 29, added several new details about the equipment on the rig, testifying that another Transocean official had turned a critical system for removing dangerous gas from the drilling shack to “bypass mode.”
When Mr. Williams questioned that decision, he said he was reprimanded.
“No, the damn thing’s been in bypass for five years,” he recalled being told by Mark Hay, the subsea supervisor. “Why’d you even mess with it?”
Mr. Williams recalled that Mr. Hay added, “The entire fleet runs them in ‘bypass.’ ”
Problems existed from the beginning of drilling the well, Mr. Williams said. For months, the computer system had been locking up, producing what the crew called the “blue screen of death.”
“It would just turn blue,” he said. “You’d have no data coming through.”
Replacement hardware had been ordered but not yet installed by the time of the disaster, Mr. Williams said.
In the final weeks of drilling, supervisors were under intense financial pressure to complete the ill-fated well, several witness have testified. BP was 43 days behind schedule when the rig exploded, costing the company about $1 million a day in rig rental rates, company officials say.
The confidential BP audit has been referred to by lawyers and investigators but not detailed publicly. The inspection, conducted Sept. 13 to 17, paints a grim picture of Transocean’s upkeep of the rig.
Of BP’s previous safety orders to Transocean, the audit states, some “findings were simply rejected, with no formal risk mitigation demonstrated.”
“While it is appreciated that a good number of findings had been addressed by hard work and effort, there were too many that had not,” it states.
Unsafe working conditions include rig areas covered in a “thick film of drilling mud,” supposedly watertight equipment that actually leaked and safety equipment that was past its inspection date. The recording of maintenance issues was “substandard with missing information and poor quality reports that lacked sufficient detail to convince the reader that the task had actually been performed in accordance with the procedure.”
The findings reinforced those in two separate audits, obtained by The Times, that were performed in March and April by Lloyd’s Register Group, a maritime and risk-management organization. In an audit conducted April 1 to 12, investigators identified 26 components and systems on the rig that were in “bad” or “poor” condition.
A month earlier, an audit on the rig’s “safety culture” by a separate division of Lloyd’s found some workers were dismayed about safety practices and feared reprisals if they reported mistakes.


Cynthia Davis (340)
Saturday July 24, 2010, 5:09 pm
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