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"This has been a sad and frightening week for the United States. On Monday, April 15, a "terrorist attack" at the Boston Marathon left 3 people dead and 174 injured, when two bombs detonated near the finish line of the annual race."



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Just Carole (338)
Monday April 22, 2013, 4:46 pm

I love this lady. In fact, this is my favorite blog. (Thanks, Missy Barbara.)

She speaks truth to power.

 

Angelika R. (144)
Monday April 22, 2013, 4:58 pm
Just finished reading, excellent piece, thanks Carole! It reflects pretty exact our entire conversation here on countless threads over the past years. We were NOT wrong in our assessments. Remember how often the phrase "Decline of the Roman(American) empire" was used here, by me alone many times.
Very frightening times, indeed. We MUST NOT let that happen, let us not wait until it is too late, until "and then they came for me"..!
 

Angelika R. (144)
Monday April 22, 2013, 5:04 pm
I stumbled over a few details, though: my understanding by the last things I heard was that there were still about 60 people missing after the West blast..-?
In the Boston story, I noticed that only TODAY media started saying that the older brother was killed by POLICE, dead on arrival at hospital. Before they consisted that his younger brother ran the car over him..--?
 

Cynthia not well (340)
Monday April 22, 2013, 5:19 pm
Good article TY Carole
 

Aurea Walker (216)
Monday April 22, 2013, 5:29 pm
In many ways the West, Texas tragedy is an act of terrorism. The company had secretly "stored" highly combustible chemicals and THEY put the entire city at risk! 14 or more lives were lost yet most likely they will get off scott free or small fines. Look at what insurance companies do when declining a persons medical needs? Or monsatan and their FORCING on us their GMO foods? How about big Pharma with their very dangerous drugs? how about the NRA. In the end both are terrorist to the good of all Americans. Well maybe not our 2% elite.
 

Pat B. (355)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:04 pm
I agree, very well written article. The people of West, Texas are coping as well as they can. It's a war zone there, and they are suffering. President Obama will be attending the Memorial Service on Thursday, as this news did not receive the news like Boston. I do believe that the people of Boston and West, do have the inner strength for better days to come. It's an unfortunate situation(s). I stopped watching TV coverage after the second day. It was over and over and over the same details. In the article: "Fear of the other can rally the people behind their government and distract them from the slow erosion of rights and the rapid development and maintenance of a security apparatus necessary to protect itself, as we’ve seen repeatedly since 9/11. As we’ve been encouraged to see in this latest “terrorist” episode." So true, so true.
Here's a link for one to view on West, Texas:

http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/Officials-Some-parts-of-West-may-be-without-water-for-3-weeks-204152781.html

It has a wealth of information on my northern neighbors on the page.
Thank you, Carole for this excellent post. xox


 

JL A. (276)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:08 pm
Excellent contrasts and questions raised regarding the relative values government places on lives depending on who allegedly took the life...thanks so much Carole. An article that may require multiple readings to unpeel the layers she provides.
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:14 pm

In hindsight, I can hear her weeping, as do many citizens of the disjointed America,

What I admire most about her is her unvarnished honesty.

 

Pat B. (355)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:17 pm
As in the comment on the page below story: From Ozarker: "This whole week has just left such a sucking hole in my heart."
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:25 pm

Yes, Pat, I think she mirrored many of our own thoughts.

 

Henriette Matthijssen (148)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:34 pm
Americans needs to stand together in unity against a government that puts them in danger & against each other! The American people are not the terrorist, but your leaders & politicians are! Thanks Carole.
 

Lyn Z. (290)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:35 pm
WOW = Powerful & a true voice of what has been & sorrowfully is coming to be.
Thanks Carole.
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:48 pm

I'm not in the best of humors today. So maybe I should reserve my thoughts. I posted 2 articles about the situation in Boston. Both urging people to not fall off the "terrorist" cliff, one explaining how and why the media manipulates the content of the news; the other explaining that there is no boiler plate set of "profiles" to define a terrorist. In another time of our history, the word would not bring about so much violent over reaction. We are not in different times. We have lived through the hit on WTC, two wars that followed, numerous half baked but, dangerous attempts to cause harm on US soil.

We like to think we are too wise, too skilled at not biting at the news stories with the enhanced emotional details. We are not, I dare say people followed the "breaking news" from minute to minute clinging to each story as if our daily lives depended on what words of wisdom might come next. There were no words of wisdom, there was an over inflated amount of emotionalism, for the exact purpose of keeping people tied one station or another. We learned that both the Boston Police and the FBI were not above using the most fine points of the law to trap citizens in their homes, use scare tactics and a show of force to make this a frightening chapter in our history.

These young men did exactly what some of us postulated; they used the Internet to design and concoct their weapons of minor destruction and this was done to get some need ego boost from front page attention. No foreign connections, no Al Queda, no real religious motivations.

I have no idea, nor do the TV pundits whether or not they got the desired attention. It seems they spent their few hours on the run. Not much time to linger in the after glow. Sure any act that wrecks havoc on a city is technically an act of terror. My observation is the word has already been used and over used. It lacks the spark it once had, and that is not good.

When the first reports came from the local news about West, Tx, there were signs that this was no "accident". It was clear the police had every intention of handling this as a crime scene. It was a crime scene, with more death and destruction than the two young men in Boston could have hoped to have caused. Suddenly, that scene has changed. Just a simple accident. I don't think so, these fertilizer plants have a long history of misdeeds caused by both management and owners. OSHA, now nearly defunct from it's original purpose and function, has not been into the inside of that plant in West, TX in at least 5 and possibly 30 years.

The terrorism we fear, needs to be clearly defined. Terrorist are not always dressed in rags nor praying to a foreign god. Sometimes they just wear suits and own the most expensive home in town.
 

Pat B. (355)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:54 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last day.
 

Richard Zane Smith (86)
Monday April 22, 2013, 6:55 pm
Thanks Carol, excellent!
I appreciate such thoughtful writers:
"Why do both the government and the media continuously encourage us to fear the terrorist and the next potential terrorist attack, but basically encourage us to “suck it up” and get on with our lives when similarly massive damage is caused by greed and corporate carelessness? Is one any less of an attack on “America” than the other? "
I think of the 1000s of lives lost in acts of aggressive revenge acted out foolishly on Iraq.
the word "terrorist" has become quite relative.
I think of the massive dangerous TAR oil pipelines being snaked through our country.
I think of Monsanto sterilizing its seed so that poor farmers must return to buy seed every year.
I think of the junkfood industries who KNOW they are selling dangerous products
I think of the miners, the black lung, lead poisoned children, cancers from working in toxic factories
why aren't any of these listed as terrorists and treated as such?
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday April 22, 2013, 7:27 pm

Why indeed Richard. Why are we not looking at the corporations that pollute our air, foul the water and destroy natural habitats as the terrorists? Why do we not charge the banks with terror? Is what they do causing less harm? Think about it, they destroy families, put people out of work and on the streets, cause suicide and the death of all morality in this country.
 

Kathy B. (103)
Monday April 22, 2013, 8:00 pm
Oh to be so eloquent & be able to put thoughts to word as she has done, it's nice to know someone else refuses to live in terror and puts it out there for all to read.

Excellent points Richard, yes, why indeed? Will there ever be a charge of ecocide against Monsanto, Syngenta, et al? How have corporations (like Exxon) gotten so 'important' that they can get a no fly zone declared for the spill in Arkansas?

We do have more to fear from the corporations and many of our elected officials than we do from a few misguided, hateful individuals methinks.



 

Barb Knight (1684)
Monday April 22, 2013, 8:26 pm
Great comparisons! Thnx *C*! It's just too bad we have devils among us.
 

Michael Carney (212)
Monday April 22, 2013, 11:16 pm
She nailed it......So sad to see our Country being destroyed...
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 1:02 am

I'm pleased that so many share this blogger's thoughts (and my own). This silliness has gone too far.

As I watched this poorly-directed soap opera unfold, countless times -- with implied urgency, but for no real discernable reason, since all I heard and saw was conjecture and repeatedly looped footage -- I was saddened by the fact that propaganda in this country assumes that its citizens have no recollection of past betrayals, nor the intelligence to recognize the pattern.

The enemy is right here. (and our tax dollars pay for it).

 

Arild Warud (170)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 1:52 am
Thanks for sharing this "C".
 

Lynn D. (0)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 2:40 am
Really well written article, thanks for sharing with us!
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (395)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 3:13 am
I believe that here in Israel we are so used to terrorist attacks and being on the defense that we do not go into a panic when we have an attack. The government and the citizens know how to behave and try not to cause a panic. The USA is not really used to being attacked, and therefore the reaction is more chaotic and loud. I hope you never have to "get used" to this, but regretfully, it may be part of your and your children's future life.
 

Gloria picchetti (300)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 3:54 am
Excellent article. And it is so true,
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 5:18 am

The United States has not in the past declared war against another country for the terrorist attacks by small groups or individuals. That does make a difference. When some of us were young, we can remember the "terrorist" attacks by Cubans that hijacked air planes to take them to Cuba. It was handled as a mild issue, not putting the whole country on "high alert". No one ever called Charles Manson a terrorist, even though that was his goal, to put fear and anger in the racial situation.

We really need a wake up call. We are too easily manipulated by the press and the government.
 

John Gregoire (264)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 5:49 am
Excellent article and discussion. I can't add but to echo Kit on press manipulation. Just for kicks I watched the same story reported on NPR, FOX, MSNBC,CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC yesterday. It confr=irmed my thought that the cable networks are a farce and aligned to one political bent or another. Ditto for the traditional networks which seem to be more about advertising than news! In depth "reporting" simply no longer exists other than in blogs whose credntials can be murky. Always question, confirm and think for yourselves.
 

cecily w. (0)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 6:00 am
Spot On!
 

paul m. (93)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 6:00 am

Thanks for..
 

Fi T. (16)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 6:28 am
No more cruelty
 

Arielle S. (317)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 6:59 am
Many wise words here - for me, while Boston deserved some coverage, it didn't need 24/7 for almost an entire week of that and little else. Just like those car chases in the movies that go on and on and on, we tend to latch onto one subject and beat it to death. Meanwhile the real terrorists in this country keep on keeping on.... Monsanto and Bayer, the NRA, greedy politicians, Big Ag and Big Oil, and that list goes on. We would do well to deal with our domestic terrorists first before we start pointing fingers elsewhere....
 

tas away m. (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 7:17 am
So, how do we handle these atrocities?
"Those who would sacrifice a little liberty for a little security, will have neither, and lose both"Benjamin Franklin. .....we need a harder outer shell.If the world thinks this is the way to make a statement, we must show that we are not the place, or neither is it productive to kill innocent people. And that means drones (us) too.
Thanks Carole
 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 7:33 am
Thx Tasunka for using that quote in here-is why I have posted a petition this morning with that exact B.F. quote!
Please go sign, thx!
Don't Exploit the Boston Tragedy to Restrict Civil Liberties - Please SIGN Open Letter to Politicians
 

Beth FS (149)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 7:45 am
As soon as the Boston tragedy happened I knew the government would play one of the cards they've been holding so tightly in their hands in the game of people poker...this card being the jack of security. If the government plays their cards right, it will be winner take all and the people lose. People are being manipulated into giving away their freedom in the name of safety by increased security by the police, the military . Now, anyone with a camera in their phones, can be used for info, and I sometimes wonder if that was a card played earlier by the powers that be after all, these wonderful little gadgets we have come to not want to be without have wonderful little tracking devices called GPS..I will say no more...or need I say more???
 

Beth FS (149)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 7:50 am
Thanks for the petition link Angelika, I signed it as soon as I saw it and tweeted it too :)
 

Mary P. (157)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 7:51 am
Thank you for this interesting article Just!

I wish to share with others some interesting information on the Boston Bombing 'alleged'(innocent untill proven guilty) Suspects' Captures! I apologise that i dont know how to make the links 'clickable'. Plse forgive me for that!



http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blog/show?id=4878805%3ABlogPost%3A584046&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev first surrendered and then committed suicide ?

Message from Dzhokhar Tsarnaev: 'This will be my last message before the police get me. I have never done it. They set me up. Father please forgive me. I'm sorry it's come to that'



http://www.project.nsearch.com/profiles/blog/show?id=4878805%3ABlogPost%3A583580&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post
Was Tamerlan Tsarnaev alive at his arrest ? There is a video on the above link which, shows a young man (his aunt confirms its Tamerlan) how he, totally naked and dissipated by the police and placed in a police vehicle.

The recording was made on the night of the 18th to the 19th there, where supposedly the 26 year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev was shown.

But he is clearly alive and unharmed!!

The police and the media claim, Tsarnaev was shot by the police and then run over by his younger brother on the run with a stolen SUV, as he lay shackled with handcuffs on the ground.

He died from these injuries.

A flagrant contradiction.

Is it the same person ?




 

Richard Zane Smith (86)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 8:48 am
Arielle S, you said it right,
putting the label domestic terrorists on INDUSTRIES involved in "the legal killing" and maiming of our citizens .

The Insult was "Americas Image" was bruised.
American people are dying everyday from horrible preventable illnesses, and where is the outrage ?
Has America become a patient internally dying of cancer, yet spending millions on plastic surgery to attack those irritating wrinkles on its face?

It seems there are a million discrete USDA approved ways to legally kill a citizen population.
Allowing TOXIC Industrialism the RIGHT to kill our children slowly. Or Allowing the Military to harvest 1000s of patriotic youth, as tools of force to assure its domination in the world, sticking "hero" on their ever marching gravestones, like precision rows of suburban homes.

The media are crows, excited by excitement, any blood on the street smalls like fresh baked bread.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 9:05 am
Richard, you could easily add some more USDs to the list, making it some more millions approved ways to depopulate.
You never fail to amaze me with your accurate and greatly worded comments!
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 9:06 am
Thanks for signing on. Petition left by Angelika.

The coming days provide a critical window of opportunity for us to help shape the national discourse in the wake of the events of the last week.

Politicians and others are already trying to exploit the recent tragedy in Boston to restrict our rights and liberties.

I agree with John G. that the so called Free Press is only owned by one Corporate entity or another and does not present the news as it should be. I also agree with Arielle on this round the clock loop 24/7 of one story, as important as it may be, at the loss of other equally important news that is playing out daily that gets little to no coverage, some topics she mentioned.

The media has the public starring at this box with even stupid coverage as Jon Stewart points out last night. Meanwhile the Greedy Ones are plotting and planning on their next move while the public stare fixated and mindless to other things going on.

Democracy isn't suppose to be all about complete safety, it is messy many times, but we no longer have this, we no longer have a Republic, the Controllers only want to Control more of your life and watch every move, all in the guise of "for your own good."

The things we should be concerned about, the crap that is being placed in our foods, that the Corporations and Banksters are doing is never aired enough on TV, a blip given here or there, but no round the clock coverage. We are taught to be fearful instead of people that might look different than us, or exactly like us, yes, your next door neighbor or childs playmate. That our Big Brother, our Authorities will protect us, just give up more of your liberties, the few you have left and all will be ok.

Whatever happened to?

“Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”: FDR's First Inaugural Address.
 

Caitlin Mac Iver (103)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 9:51 am
I left a lengthy comment at the site of the blog. In essence I do not agree fully with this article's point because I think, in spite of the hype of media or government to push a link to Al Qaeda, this is undoubtedly an act of terror. Purposely exploding a device in a crowd is terrorism, is it not? I think so. I agree that we must not succumb to paranoia as regards our neighbors, but we also need to be careful about succumbing to paranoia about our police, as well. It's not a simple right or wrong here, it seems to me.
 

Mary P. (157)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 10:10 am
Caitlin ," Purposely exploding a device in a crowd is terrorism, is it not?"

So are the Drone Attacks(State Terrorism) on thousands of innocent people including little children (10 babies in recent drone attack), in so many foreign countries of the world, by the American Government.

Can anyone of us even begin to imagine what those innocent victims go thru daily; with bombs falling out of the skies, onto them? Thats their way of life! Not a once in a while bomb attack; but a daily drone attack murdering n maiming innocent women, men n little babies! :(
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 10:38 am
 
Another worthy article . . .
 
Why Is Boston "Terrorism," But Not Aurora, Sandy Hook, Tucson And Columbine?
 
 
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 11:12 am
Thank you, Carole, for the sane and reasoned article. I have been appalled by some of the coverage, not to mention some of the comments made here in C2NN.
Naturally most of the worst ones were not removed.

Here's another one that's worth reading - on a similar theme - Glenn Greenwald, in The Guardian:

The Boston bombing produces familiar and revealing reactions
 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 11:22 am
Great article Carole. I started wondering how we could be sure that the Texas fiasco was NOT an act of "terrorism". We also had those two ricin letters at the same time, which barely seemed to get much notice. But moving on:

"Federal OSHA statistics show that, every year thirteen workers per day (4,609 in 2011 alone) die in work related accidents, with 4 million injured per year. While many of these are due to simple worker carelessness, many are due to deliberate decisions by company owners or corporate boards to save costs by cutting corners on worker safety."

Scary indeed.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 11:54 am

THANK YOU so much for your contribution, Zen!

At the time this happened (after being inundated for hours with looping commentary), I remember thinking to myself, "What about all the people the U.S. kills -- on a daily basis, and now, with NO honor, but by drones???"

But, I have to remind myself of several things (and it's sad that I need to).

Most conscious and conscientious individuals understand that the mainstream media is merely a by-product of corporatism. It's unreliable and slanted.

This (and many other) government(s) are/ is, likewise, corrupted.

So, knowing this, HOW can we take for granted that what we see (and don't) isn't just manipulation?

We need to observe all media coverage (especially when given this type of concentration) with -- not a grain of -- but a BOX of salt.

 

Nancy M. (202)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 12:00 pm
Zen- just checked out your article too. Great!

 

Mike and Janis B. (7)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 1:45 pm
These were our thoughts exactly, why are corporate terrorist not brought to account. The carnage and destruction in West is overwhelming. The board of the company responsible should likewise be charged with manslaughter at the very least. Pure negligence. It is any better than really than Boston?
 

JL A. (276)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 1:49 pm
Thanks all for the additional worthy articles' links and to Angelika for the petition link.
 

Mary P. (157)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 1:51 pm
"To my fellow americans,
I am concerned for the security of our great nation;
Not so much because of any threat from without,
But because of the insidious forces working from within! - General Douglas MacArthur"

He indeed hit the nail on the head! Excellent Insight!
 

Winn Adams (205)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 1:54 pm
Thanks!
 

Mike and Janis B. (7)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 2:07 pm
Exactly the same gnashing of teeth is going on here in Canada. the Republican(Tory) government is making a possible crime which they have known about for months the reason to further restrict our liberties too. Mr. Speaker, I wish to make a brief statement respecting the business of the House next week. As I said at the start of question period, leadership requires decisive and serious action in response to the serious threats of violent terrorism.
In order to give members of this House an opportunity to express their views on the appropriate way to respond to terrorist violence, on Monday and Tuesday the House will debate Bill S-7, the Combating Terrorism Act. This bill is at its final stage in Parliament and I call upon all members of this place to pass this bill, we don't need further study - we need action.
As a result, the government business originally scheduled for those days will be re-scheduled to a later date.
The timing of the debate is a little suspect: Monday was a scheduled opposition day for the the Liberals where Justin Trudeau was poised to introduce a motion which would limit the powers of the party whips to control which MPs could speak and on what issues. It is rapidly becoming a police state here. Just like the USA under the patriot act,which is a modern form of McCarthyism.
 

Yvonne White (233)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 2:10 pm
Truly excellent article! And I found the second article great too "...even those assuming the guilt of the Tsarnaev brothers seem to have no basis at all for claiming that this was an act of "terrorism" in a way that would meaningfully distinguish it from Aurora, Sandy Hook, Tucson and Columbine."
I think Any violent act that involves Children being harmed/killed is the ultimate Terrorism - be it bombings, shootings, poisonings, or what ever! That means Gang Violence, religious violence (from priest molestings to War related attacks), police abuse, and domestic violence - including "the usual" to malpractice by not just heathcare workers but Big Ag & Big Pharma!
Corporations are just Big Money Gangs! So why aren't Gangs considered Terrorists? After 9/11 I couldn't understand why Bu$h didn't demand their dis-memberment..it Would've increased safety in cities nearly 100%! I'm just disgusted with Government, "News", & the "law enforcement"...
Living in rural America, I don't Have to worry about crowded places, strangers who may/may not be violent, etc. I don't have built-in "fear-radar"...but stuff happens - large Ag-related warehouses, tanks of ammonia, etc. could potentially explode from one careless act or lack of inspection, etc. So my worry is more the line of Ag related dangers than first-person death-squad-shooters/bombers..
Maybe if the Capital was in Mid-America we'd get More Balanced thought from Government?;)
 

Birgit W. (152)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 2:24 pm
Thanks
 

JL A. (276)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 2:58 pm
The UN has been challenged coming up with a definition of terrorism. Here is a US law definition (I suspect each law related may have somewhat different wording of definition of terrorism):

Definitions of Terrorism

From Amy Zalman, Ph.D., former About.com Guide

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Definition of Terrorism under U.S. Law

United States Law Code – the law that governs the entire country – contains a definition of terrorism embedded in its requirement that Annual Country reports on Terrorism be submitted by the Secretary of State to Congress every year. (From U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d)

(d) Definitions
As used in this section—
(1) the term “international terrorism” means terrorism involving citizens or the territory of more than 1 country;
(2) the term “terrorism” means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;
(3) the term “terrorist group” means any group, or which has significant subgroups which practice, international terrorism;
(4) the terms “territory” and “territory of the country” mean the land, waters, and airspace of the country; and
(5) the terms “terrorist sanctuary” and “sanctuary” mean an area in the territory of the country—
(A) that is used by a terrorist or terrorist organization—
(i) to carry out terrorist activities, including training, fundraising, financing, and recruitment; or
(ii) as a transit point; and
(B) the government of which expressly consents to, or with knowledge, allows, tolerates, or disregards such use of its territory and is not subject to a determination under—
(i) section 2405(j)(1)(A) of the Appendix to title 50;
(ii) section 2371 (a) of this title; or
(iii) section 2780 (d) of this title.
http://terrorism.about.com/od/whatisterroris1/ss/DefineTerrorism_5.htm

FBI Definition of Terrorism

The FBI defines terrorism as:

The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.

http://terrorism.about.com/od/whatisterroris1/ss/DefineTerrorism_6.htm

So unless evidence of intent of those responsible for Boston emerges consonant with these definitions, reality might prove to be no more terrorist than the school incidents.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 3:52 pm
"You cannot currently send a star to Kit because you have done so within the last day."

Perfectly said, Kit. Which part? All of it.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 4:02 pm
Als attackierend gemeldete Webseite!


Diagnoseseite für opednews.com

Wie wird opednews.com momentan eingestuft?

Diese Website ist momentan als verdächtig eingestuft und kann Ihren Computer beschädigen.

Ein Teil dieser Website wurde aufgrund verdächtiger Aktivitäten in den letzten 90 Tagen 27 mal auf die Liste gesetzt.

Die Webseite auf www.opednews.com wurde als attackierende Seite gemeldet

Carole, I am sorry to tell you that-that's what YOUR LINK returned (yes, I tried several times, same result)
 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 4:04 pm
Even if you cannot understand the German warning there you can guess what it means... reported as attacking website, so will not open.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 4:05 pm
I think Giana is right. We are not yet inured to such things so when something happens, and the media and politicians have done their best to keep all of America sitting on the edge of our seats since 9/11 with the question never being if, but when, that those who profit from such events go off the deep end at the slightest sound of the lifeguard's whistle. Remember this is how they make their living. By keeping the rest of us afraid. It has always been so. This is the purpose of governments, of religion, of politicians - keep the people afraid and apart, lest the see what those who make their living "protecting" us are really up to. It was as if the media have been offering up daily prayers for such an event, it gives them free reign to do what they do best, fanning the flames. Would that they would use that power as in days past, to further the education of the public and expose those puppeteers behind the scenes, but we've long lost the fourth estate to sensationalism, they are adrenaline junkies as are our politicians and religious leaders. This is what they live for. Not the unity of the world, not that the world share our resources, pool our knowledge and make a civilization out of the chaos, no, that would put them on the sidelines and the limelight is where they want to be. It has always been the business of the powers-that-be to keep the masses ignorant and afraid. It is how they prosper at the cost of everyone else, just the opposite of civilization which is a place where no one will have something that comes at a cost to another and interpersonal violence for ideology or theology is unthinkable. I'd say we've come a long way, but we really haven't. We are still the barbarians we were when we first came down from the trees to wreak havoc on the land, and each other. Evolution is proceeding far too slowly for my taste.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 4:09 pm

Oh, really, Angelika???

I've been a subscriber to OpEd News for years . . . and, frankly, they're much milder than many other sites I frequent.

So, considering I've looked there numerous times, in fact, almost daily -- and never been attacked -- I have to question the source of your advisors.

 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 5:05 pm
Google, Carole ;) And it says (when using the term attack) that the site has been reported 27 times within the last 90 days for having content in part that is trying to install malware on your comp. As said, it would NOT open the site (unless I would de-activate my adblock plus.. which i won't..
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 5:11 pm
Adding my thanks for posting this wonderful article, Carole. Signed Open Letter posted by Angelika.
It would seem fitting justice for the owner of the West Fertilizer plant to be charged with terrorism.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 5:26 pm

I dunno, Angie. I have Adblock Plus, Ghostery, WOT . . . and never got a warning on the site.

 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 7:52 pm
Carole, I found the original article in The Guardian, also Greenwald-nowonder it is such a great article! (incl. 2 updates)
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 7:59 pm

[For anyone who's been watching this back and forth between me and Angie, I want to report that I just retried my own link from the above OpEd News link and also got an attack site warning. Very fishy.]

 

Angelika R. (144)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 8:11 pm
Carols link-original article : http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/22/boston-marathon-terrorism-aurora-sandy-hook
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 8:13 pm

Thank you, sweet friend.

 

Scott haakon (4)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 8:40 pm
Too soon to make any conclusions. But we must be very careful not to let go of the constitution and it's protections. people must be on guard to catch using emotional item to advance political goals. While it may seem sensible, in the long run it is not. Politicians have plan to chip away at the boulder. That has already started with the NDAA, and the CISPA. Some say I have nothing to hide. They assume that since they have never visited a site that is watched. But they are wrong.
 

Jill P. (70)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 9:31 pm
"Terrorist" is the new "communist". History DOES repeat itself.
In his predictable fashion Obama, Mr. constitutional lawyer, insists the captured "terrorist" not be read his Miranda Rights. They are even interrogating him while he still cannot talk. They are using a notepad.
Meanwhile the simpletons in congress insist he be declared an enemy combatant so he will never recieve any rights at all.
Obama sees the Constitution as a nuisance and obstacle to his full, unchecked dictatorial power.
But it is what the American people wanted and supported. So what can you do?
 

Aurea Walker (216)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 9:39 pm
I have read all the posts and each and everyone deserve copious stars for their comments. I am not living in fear of terrorists as much as I am by the unrelenting control of everything we do by either the media, be it the right, left or in the middle. My fears are ALL the national and international companies that are destroying everything and everyone who stands in their path. I just re-read George Orwell's 1984 and the prediction/vision he had to how we would be controlled, manipulated or destroyed has and is happening. I recommend te-reading his book to all. What a future we are not leaving for future generations.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 9:48 pm

@Jill -- You say that as if you believe the voting system is representative of the majority of citizens.

I don't believe that's true . . . any more than I believe anything uttered by a politician, or appears on mainstream media.

I, continually, shake my head when I see citizens, who already believe that the government (all levels -- judicial, executive and legislative) are corporate-owned, and in correlation, so is the media (who acts as their mouthpiece) . . . but who BELIEVE their votes (counted by those same untrustworthy people) are accurately tabulated.

How many elections and debates were REALLY inclusive of candidates not corporately funded?


 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 10:22 pm
Some very good and reasoned comments here, thanks to those who've posted.

Angie, Carole - I also checked the site again, and received no warnings from Wot or Avast WebRep. I also ran the URL through a number of online site checks and nothing came up, so it seems to have been a temporary problem, or perhaps a false alarm. It is most likely because of the recent global attacks on WordPress.

However, WordPress has recently come under sustained global attack from botnets, so it could be that's why your security warning popped up.

'Word from the anti-DDoS world is that a botnet is responsible, with estimates of "up to 90,000," "more than tens of thousands," and "up to 100,000" infected computers orchestrating the felonious login attempts.'

Here's more about that:

WordPress blogs and more under global attack

WordPress Sites Targeted by Mass Brute-force Botnet Attack
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 10:25 pm
Ah, my bad, sorry, I didn't read carefully enough. I checked the original WordPress site, not the Oped link - which is indeed coming up as an attack site right now.
 

Jill P. (70)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 10:41 pm
I agree Carole. Decent candidates are not included in debates, elections and media. But I find in each election that people who are aware of the alternate candidates refuse to support decent human being because they are not players in the One Party System. A vast majority of Americans will only vote within the One Party system. Just look at the numbers.
I have had enough run ins with "liberals" mostly who are strongly opposed to Third Parties. They actually get angry if you support a decent human being for President because you're ruining everything. The Democrats will be upset. They don't even like that other candidates even run.
So yes, I have to say a majority of Americans support the dismantling of our Constitution and the rights if affords us since the vast majority, left and right, vote for and support candidates who dismantle it. How many millions of Americans cheered and celebrated in the last two elections when Obama, who is going down in history as the worst President for violating human rights, won?
Support him, support his actions. Those who voted for him need to take responsibility for his actions.
so presently, we are discussing stripping citizens of their right to due process. One of Obama's trademarks. Due process and the Constitution are such a nuisance for him but he just tramples all over it without so much as a complaint from most Americans especially his supporters. Can';t criticize him, the Democrats won't like it.
 

JL A. (276)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 10:43 pm
Carol, in response to your last question regarding funding of candidates:
http://letsfreecongress.org/
has compiled the data on the money --here is the opening quotes:
"Money wins Elections

"There were 435 House elections in the 2012 cycle.

"The candidates that outspent their opponents won 95% of them."
 

Jill P. (70)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 11:10 pm
Exactly. Elections are not about issues they are about loyalty to one side of the One Party. They are about who packages himself the best. Who has the most commercials, the nicest, "feel good" commercials, who can sell himself the best.
It is American idol but with serious consequences.
 

JL A. (276)
Tuesday April 23, 2013, 11:38 pm
No Jill; elections are about who has the most money, which comes from corporations indirectly or directly. The ads are more by parties supposedly unaffiliated with the campaigns (PACS).
 

Barbara D. (70)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 6:08 am
Boston bombing = "terrorist" plot = big news. West, TX explosion = corporate malfeasance = BAU*, and therefore not news. Hence the difference in coverage. Very sad state of affairs in the world.

(*Business As Usual)
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 6:16 am
Barbara D,

PERFECTLY said in a small amount of words.
(not my strong point; small amount of words.)
 

Dandelion G. (384)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 7:18 am
Zen brings up cyber attacks this we all must be mindful of, I've never had an issue with the website Carole placed on, but seems now to be having one. Perhaps Angelika's programs or maybe even her own Country just caught onto them quicker.

Two-party, systems have been criticized for downplaying alternative views, and putting a damper on debate within a nation. In The Tyranny of the Two–party system, Lisa Jane Disch criticizes two-party systems for failing to provide enough options since only two choices are permitted on the ballot. She wrote:

Herein lies the central tension of the two–party doctrine. It identifies popular sovereignty with choice, and then limits choice to one party or the other. If there is any truth to Schattschneider's analogy between elections and markets, America's faith in the two–party system begs the following question: Why do voters accept as the ultimate in political freedom a binary option they would surely protest as consumers? ... This is the tyranny of the two–party system, the construct that persuades United States citizens to accept two–party contests as a condition of electoral democracy.
—Lisa Jane Disch, 2002

The two Parties have morphed into a One Party both beholden to the Corporate Gods and their agendas at the expense of The Peoples Highest and Best agendas. It doesn't have to stay that way and it is imperative that a large majority of the people start to think outside of traditional thinking. I'm not sure how many more Sandy's and other natural disasters, banking scams, oil spills, fracking earthquakes, radiation nightmares and water contamination it is going to take for the people to realize that the existing Two Parties are not working in our best interest and perhaps never will. When does it become a point, before our complete destruction, that we open our eyes to that fact and start moving in new directions?
 

Jill P. (70)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 8:00 am
JLA, why do you think the one with the most money wins? It is to buy the public. The candidate with litttle money but a lot of moraliy could win the next election if the American people choose to. But they don't. They want the popular one. They want the one who has the most ads pounding in their heads convincing them he's a great guy and on your side. That is why the money makes the difference. We choose to let it make the difference. Money or no it is still the voter's choice and we choose money.
Great quote Dandelion!
 

Angelika R. (144)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 8:19 am
gee, sorry I've caused such inconvenience for you Carole and now Zen too. I should perhaps have never even mentioned it and started a direct browser search for the title Carole mentioned.
End of this subject now, I hope ;-) We all read it and I prefer The Guardian as the original source in any case!
I used to check Greenwald's comment articles daily, just didin't think about that over all the breathtaking developments lately..
 

JL A. (276)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 11:44 am
So true Dandelion--and the data going back decades shows how often major campaign contributors give large amounts to both candidates to ensure access and votes. With 2012 it became possible for the money to go to PACS to ensure the one considered most willing to align with the money to be elected. The media contributes to this by printing campaign press releases without any investigation to define public views--similar practices happen with events like West and Boston--where reports often have no investigation of truth before being analyzed fueling hype.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 9:18 pm

EXPLANATION FROM OPED NEWs regarding erroneous "attack site" warnings:

Yes. We were Hacked on Tuesday. Opednews.com is totally safe now.

On Tuesday, if you tried to log on to OEN after about 2:30 PM EST, if you were using Chrome, Firefox or Safari, you probably got a message that Opednews was harboring malware.

Fortunately, Google, which flagged the problem, reported that only one site had been infected-- one that OEN pays as a service provider. And when we checked with them, they did not indicate that there was a problem. Unfortunately, our webmaster was driving from his old home to his new home, so he was in transit when we discovered the problem. As soon as he "landed" for the day, our wizard identified the problem, cleaned it up and put into place preventive automation to protect us from this kind of malware injection in the future.

Hacking is an everpresent threat and one that continually evolves. Over the years, OEN has been hacked in different ways-- Denial of Service attacks, spam attacks, malware injections-- each time we've dealt with the hacks and strengthened our security. But hackers are always upping their skills and strategies too.
This time, we have some suspicions of who did the hacking. One thing is for sure. It is criminal behavior.

Meanwhile, google has certified the site as malware-free and it's safe to visit the site. Welcome

rob kall

 

JL A. (276)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 9:52 pm
Thanks for the update Carol
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 10:05 pm

Nah, thank YOU, Judi.

I've subscribed to OpEdNews for years now (and greatly respect their contributing writers) , , , and I knew, immediately, ,something foul was under-foot.

[But, bless your heart.]

 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday April 24, 2013, 10:08 pm

And, Angie???

I don't fault you, in the least, for drawing my (our) attention to the warning you received.

(I was shocked, myself, when I retried that URL and saw the same.)

We must all band together to protect each other . . . and that's exactly what you did.

Thank you.

 

Helen Porter (40)
Thursday April 25, 2013, 1:17 am
most unpleasant as truth often is
 

Angelika R. (144)
Friday April 26, 2013, 9:46 am
Carole sweetie, yes, I'm here (NOT for tracking, stopped that months ago, cannot handle it, always inundated inbox) because a star from Zen related to this thread had me revisit. Nothing to thank me for, thank you all as well.. re Sheryl's remark (lol)- IF I had some magic program to "catch" attack alerts or even attack earlier I sure would distribute and make cash of it. ;-) It was your own good old Google- that's not so good any more regarding privacy protection. Thank your govt. for that!

I wish to add here that I was PLEASED to see Barbara Duval after AGES and remind everyone that we owe this entire discussion to HER, so thank you Barbara! (If I got Carole right at the start of this )
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday April 26, 2013, 1:02 pm

Minor correction here.

I am grateful to Missy Barbara for many kindnesses. She DID (several months ago) share this blog with me, and I was amazed by the insight of the blogger, and have followed The Ozarker since. (But not stalking her, mind you. LOL)

However, she did not forward this particular article to me; but -- that said -- if she had never shared this ladies' succinct and point-on posts with me in the first place, I'd never have found her.

Again, thank you, Missy Barbara . . . and thank you, dear Angie.

 

Angelika R. (144)
Friday April 26, 2013, 1:30 pm
oh, my misunderstanding, slightly...not wanting to take away the honor and thanks from you, Carole!
Thanks YOU BOTH sweeties!
 

Phyllis P. (389)
Sunday June 16, 2013, 5:30 pm
Why do both the government and the media continuously encourage us to fear the terrorist and the next potential terrorist attack, but basically encourage us to “suck it up” and get on with our lives when similarly massive damage is caused by greed and corporate carelessness? Quote - unquote, now that's a telling comment. We just had another explosion last week, that we have heard VERY LITTLE of. Makes you wonder doesn't it?
 
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