Tuesday February 7, 2012, 2:52 pm
This is the Israel I know. I'm happy for the good fortune of this Palestinian village.

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 2:54 pm
Ps. What a beautiful village in the photo..

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 2:56 pm
Let's see what the ANTI-ISRAEL mob have to complain about.....

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 3:10 pm
Yet the holy Jewish sites in Muslim controlled areas are desecrated and the terrorists have applied to the UN heritage committee to have them registered as being mosques. Seeing that Islam is a relatively new religion, how could there be mosques on the site of Jewish matriachs and patriachs?

I'm sure that the anti-Semites will be back to say that Jews destroyed a mosque in Judea/Samaria but it wasn't, it was destroyed by Muslims, evidence has been found to show that.

There are many on this site to blacken and disparage Israel, not to praise them for difficult decisions and applaud them for proving that the country is determined to do what is right even if a few individuals are not perfect.

Muslims would not do that and don't, they have chased nearly half a million Jews out of their homelands and took their property without compensation and no right of return.

Increased tension between Islam and Christianity has resulted in the emigration of 100,000 Christians from Egypt since March 2011, which commentators are saying will detrimentally affect Egypt’s demographic diversity and economic stability.
The report documenting the emigration, compiled by the Egyptian Union of Human Rights Organizations, contends that the main vein of conflict is between the Egyptian’s Muslim sect, the Salafists, and Egypt’s Christian sect, the Copts.

Christians are also fleeing other areas of the Middle East, including Iraq and Palestine. Lebanon’s Christian population has fallen from 75 percent to 32 percent.

Critics argue that such immense emigration is in large due to the Arab Spring uprisings beginning in December 2010. These protests gave the predominately Islamic nations a confidence boost.

Islam and Christianity have always had a frictional relationship. Politicos contend that because the Islamic world achieved so much political sway in the uprising, they now have more confidence to drive out a religion that they consider a foreign invader in a predominately Muslim land.

Also, many Salafists who were active in the uprising are now holding powerful political office.

According to director of the EUHRO, Naguib Gabriel, the Copts are not leaving voluntarily, but are rather being forced out by Salafist aggressive tactics.

In the report sent to the Egyptian Cabinet and the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, the EUHRO contended that, “Copts constitute a strong pillar in the economy. Copts who are leaving their homeland are not prompted by their need for work, as they are from the professional and business class, but from fear of the hard line Salafists."

Another force driving Christians out of these Middle Eastern countries is fear instilled by the Salafistas. According to the EUHRO press release, there have been multiple attacks since the January Spring which have contributed greatly to the emigration.

Recent attacks include the killing of nine Christians in the Mokatam Hills in early September, a Coptic church bombing in Alexandria on New Year’s Day, and cutting off the ear of an older Copt in Qena.

Copts have spoken out against the unfair, violent treatment. In May, Copts gathered in Martin Place, shouting “enough is enough,” to rebel the violence.

Many Copts attribute the removal of President Hosni Mubarak as the reason Christian intolerance has escalated.

The predominant area of new settlement is the United States, where the majority of Americans are Christian and the president himself is a Christian. California alone has seen 160,000 Copts settle there since March.

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 5:25 pm
Gillian - stay on topic, it is about Israel and Palestine, not Egypt. Maybe you need a geography lesson or two. Gillian I see that you are stealing from the Christian Post this time. I gather theft of intellectual property wasn't one of those topics covered while you were milking the cows in the the Agricultural Department within the Uni. Why would anyone be surprised when the High Court rules with the Palestinians. It is funny though, that you have no use for the High Court when it states that the occupation is a belligerent occupation and many of the areas of the APARTHEID WALL are illegal. Seems you don't heed the Israeli High Court then, now do you.

"Many Copts attribute the removal of President Hosni Mubarak as the reason Christian intolerance has escalated. " Are you insinuating that the Egyptians should have remained under a brutal dictatorship Gillian? Your ideology really doesn't even make sense, as usual.

" A Jerusalem court has ruled against plans to build a luxury housing development on the remains of a Palestinian village abandoned in the 1948 war that followed the establishment of Israel."

Okay, number one, I'll bet money it is in East Jerusalem which is considered Palestinian land. To say abandoned in 1948 when we all know it is driven out it absolutely disgraceful. You would scream bloody murder Alexandra, if someone denied the Holocaust, yet you have no problem denying the Palestinians their history and pretend it never happened. That is extremely douchie. As for abandoned? Guess what? They weren't allowed to go back. They still have keys to their homes which they cannot return to. Don't you know anything about the conflict. One of the biggest issues regarding the conflict is the denial of right to return which is a basic, fundamental human right. You want to call people antisemitic, yea of little knowledge, yet no one is making racist statements about anyone except you guys. Thank God, you have no real consequence in the great scheme of things. Just trivial nonsense from trivial people.

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 5:59 pm
That is downright hypocritical of you MM. You are quite happy not to stay on topic when I put up an article about the appalling way that Muslim countries treat the itinerant Arabs who are staying in their countries.

As for the brutal dictatorship that that the Egyptians were living under, it's strange that the many Egyptians that I know disagree with you. But then how would you know and why would you care? The people that suffered, the poorer people, will still suffer and probably even more under the stricter religious controls being brought in. The real losers are the hundreds of thousands of Christians, but then they don't fall into your radar?

And, I note, you never comment about the murders of the Cotpic Christians who have lived there for some 2 thousand years, the desecrations, the rapes and the fact that the majority of them have fled the country with no recompense. Nor do you say anything about the entire population of Jews (virtually) being forced out of these Muslim controlled countries.

"One of the biggest issues regarding the conflict is the denial of right to return which is a basic, fundamental human right." Yet according to you Jews and Christians do not have this right and if they did they would be either thrown out, as in Libya, or killed. So, I take if from yur statement that only Muslims are allowed human rights or Jews and Christians aren't human. You may not be but I do know what the others on this board are.

As long as you can support a group of people who massacre little babies and children you are quite happy. That someone could support and praise such murderers is beyond the understanding of any decent normal person.

You call us trivial but we do far more that is good than you could ever possibly understand and certainly no capability to do, so what does that make you?

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 6:11 pm
I should add that, when talking about Jews being thrown out of the Muslim dominated countries, the number is almost 500,000. That is nearly half a million people that you really don't give a damn about and who have no right of return.

Gaza, Hamas and Abbas have made it clear that no person who is not a Muslim may live there. The poorer people ther suffer terrible abuses from their hands but then they don't count unless you are blaming Israel.

And, there used to be a large Jewish community living in Israel and there have been Jews there since the destruction of the Second Temple. This means that we also have the right of return to Israel.

So, explain to me about the human rights that are only for Muslims and not for Hindus, Jews, Christians et al.

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 7:18 pm
Gllian,
thanks for the interesting info. I feel heartbroken for the Copts. We have many here, and this is all connected if you care about human rights, which I know you do.

Thanks for the story Fred.

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 7:36 pm
I was just thinking that same thing Yonati!! It looks so peaceful and the countryside looks so neat!! Israel for sure gets an "atta way to go!" for that! They showed the true Israel by doing that!

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 7:47 pm
If the village has "historical" designation....does that mean it can never be habitation again? Could it be restored and occupied?

Tuesday February 7, 2012, 11:35 pm
Now if the Palestinians would protect the rights of the Christian and gay Palestinians who are fleeing to Israel for freedom and safety, we'd really have something, but we all know that won't and can't happen. Where Islam occupies and rules, freedom dies.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 12:03 am
Why thank you Fred. That really is a beautiful village and certainly worth preserving. Only the Jews would know how to respect such 'history'................however if the shoe were on the other foot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 12:13 am
BTW Gillian thankyou for your comments and research. Much appreciated.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 2:06 am
So peaceful--yep
Now ask yourself Why?

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 5:01 am
Gillian - I don't pay attention to any articles you post for the most part. It is a waste of time to read what you put up because you can't be bothered to ensure your posts are credible. A whole post of misinformation on why Israel shouldn't be blamed, yet when you are called on the ficticious nature of the article, you turn into a screaming banshee, refuse to respond to the article and at least defend it (you must of believed it because a) you posted it and b) you got madder than a hatter when people pointed out the mythical nature of the article). I don't buy the National Enquirer, thus am not going to bother reading something posted here which is of even less calibre.

Gillian, I do advocate for Coptic Christians, Jews and Muslims all over the world. The only difference is I don't advocate from my couch and actually do something about these things. In addition, there are many many articles on Care 2 which actually speak to this issue, I just don't want anything to do with yours. They are usually as useful as a bucket with a hole in it.

Yes, they certainly have the right to return Gillian. Everyone has the right of self determination and the right to return. There isn't any ambiguity in that and to suggest that I deny anyone their right to return is ludicrous and again you demonstrate that you actually argue your stance at the level of a very, very young child. Never have I seen anyone react in such a childish manner. It is embarrassing for you, as a grown women, to actually behave like this. Not only are your posts offensive, your behaviour just feeds into the stereotype of the hysterical woman.

Israel massacres plenty of babies, the US is guilty of the same behaviour. Sadly, many countries do. You seem to have no problem though, only using the death of those who practice the Muslim faith when it is convenient for you. When Israel is the perpetrator, you find excuses, (let's face it, you don't even find excuses, just scream at the top of your lungs berating anyone around you) and fail to acknowledge even to basic knowledge, that Israel steals the land of the Palestinian people and disregards their basic human rights.

Gillian, I just posted that the emigration of the Jews from Arab or Muslim countries is not quite how you have interpreted through your scouring of every Islamophobic website. Read a book Gillian, read a journal, something other than the trash you put so much stock into. All it does is perpetuate more division rather than unity. In addition, while you are busy calling everything that moves antisemitic, you fail to even notice, no one has criticized the Jewish people as a race, they criticize the actions of a government and the settlers, which are not all of them, who perpetuate violence on another people.

You are trivial Gillian, this is clear in your posts. You have nothing of value to add to the conversation. When you go off, haven't you noticed that at some point, even your loyal friends, including your own mother, desert you. At some point they realize, that there is no defending the undefendable and when you start with your unfounded accusations, you are as bad as the people you are accusing of racism. It seems there is no line that you are not willing to cross.

Gillian, again with the killing of the babies and insinuating that this is something that I support or celebrate. Give it a rest. Not once have you been able to substantiate these claims. In addition, it was I, not you, that posted two articles when this horrifying massacre occurred. Me, not you. Again, you refuse to even provide proof for your accusations, as you have no way to actually provide support for them. You should know that there are many, many antipsychotic drugs availabe on the market which may help you. There is no other way to explain your behaviour than attribute it to severe mental illness. It is not even a difference of opinion, as you won't defend your opinion, it is just a weeks long thread filled with your hysterical and yes, insane, accusations. If you so believeso in your stance, why do you so miserably again, time after time, fail defending it. The only answer is that you are woefully and intentionally ignorant on the topic and use this to mask your blatant hate for anyone who practices Islam and is an Arab.

Actually Gillian, I get off my arse and actually promote human rights for ALL people and ensure that I know what I am talking about. I don't promote propaganda in order to divide people. I don't make excuses for anyone. That seems to be the only thing you know how to do. That and cry about why no one bothers to read your crap.

With your post regarding the emigration of Jews, again READ A BOOK before forming an opinion. Jihadwatch and Robert Spencer do not make a fundamental truth.

There are no just human rights for Muslims Gillian, there are human rights for everyone. When have I ever claimed differently.

With regard to Lifta, these homes were built by the previous inhabitants, stone by stone and were denied to return to their home, not abandonment issue here.

Patricia/Edw Jones - what Gillian does, certainly does not qualify as research. To what she does, gives research a bad name. In addition, I am glad to see that colonialism and imperialism are alive in well within the Care2 community. Do you realize that support of these types of behaviour are completely contrary to human rights, equality and justice. You seem to think that the Jewish people had something to do with the building of the village. Think again Patricia.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 7:21 am
Margaret M: "I get off my arse and actually promote human rights for ALL people"

Well done! Keep it up.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 7:24 am
Margaret M: "There are no just human rights for Muslims Gillian, there are human rights for everyone."

Thank you for the reassurance.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 7:38 am
Yes the Arabs who fled Israel should return when Jews who fled Arab countries since 1920ies are able to return and reclaim their properties in those countries. There were more Jews who had to flee with their lives from Arab countries than Arabs that fled Israel in 1948 when Second Partition of Palestine was accepted by the Jews but rejected by all the Arabs whoa riled Muslims to join their murder of the Jews and promised them loot after they beat the Jews militarily.

The Arab armies lost (even though they had tremendous advantage) because Jews, many of them just came on boats from European camps after surviving Holocaust, had not place to go. The Arabs who stayed in Israel because they trusted their Jewish neighbors would not dream of living in any surrounding Muslim controlled country, because they would not have a freedom and prosperity that they enjoy in Jewish state. There is only ONE Jewish state and there are 57 Muslim majority states in the world, many of them refused to sign the Universal decaration of human Rigst, but still allowed to defame Israel the ONLY true democracy in the Middle East.

Palestinians was the name for Jews who lived in Palestine until 1964, when Arafat came to power and decided that he was going to murder Jews and annihilate Jewish state. Before that they were just Arabs like any other Arabs in north Africa and Arabia. The refugees of 1948 were never allowed to settle in properties left by the Jews in Arab countries but had been deliberately used as a pawn in the Arab political games with the West. Jordan occupied West Bank and Gaza was part of Egypt until 1967 war, and had many of the Arab refugees from Israel. All these people were prevented from integrating into the Arab world while the Jewish refugees from Arab countries were settled in Israel and now make up 50% of the Jewish population of Israel.

If "Palestinian Arabs did not suffer from delusional Jew hatred, wich is taught by Koran and Hadith, and teach hatred of Jews to their children they could have had a state in 1948, but their goal is not having a state but destruction and looting what the Jews built. Looting and taking what somebody else had is a typical Mohammedan approach to getting wealth, which Mufti of Jerusalem perfected and his disciples, Arafat, Sadam Hussein, Osma bin Ladin, Ahmdinijad (Iranian Muslim) and Hamas and Hetzbolla continued is looting what somebody else had built They steal the aide that comes from Europe and US and stash it in Europan banks while their people are ignorant delusional Jew haters living on the dole of UN.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 7:49 am


http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_article=960&x_context=7

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 9:42 am
Tommy S, that's a very good article on why Palestinians still live in makeshift 'refugee' centers after 70 years instead of getting off their butts and building a civilization, as the Jews would have done in the same situation long ago.

"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."
-- Zahir Muhsein, PLO executive committee member

"We are the Palestinian nation. Our fate from Allah is to be the vanguard in the war against the Jews until the resurrection of the dead. As the prophet Mohammed said: 'The resurrection of the dead will not arrive until you will fight the Jews and kill them..."
-- Palestinian Authority Sermon, Palestinian TV, 28 July 2000

This is what the Jew/Israel haters are defending. Absurd.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 10:09 am
What's the matter MM, don't you like people seeing your true self, you know, the one that crows on an article about the Fogel massacre and supports those who slit the throat of a 3 month old baby as well as other little children? Can you provide links for Jews doing something similar since you claim that Israelis kill intinerant Arab children?

Anyway, you are off topic something you get indignant about when someone disagrees with you but you are happy to do on everyone else's site.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 10:40 am
Send a Green Star to Rob and Jay B.
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"

You cannot currently send a star to Rob and Jay because you have done so within the last week.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 11:39 am
Usual clique. Posting the usual hatred for each other's enjoyment. Please spare us your propaganda.

Same old Gillian. Inevitably losing the argument, she turns nasty. It must be tiring spending so much of the day in hating people. But she seems to enjoy it, so she's happy, I suppose.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 11:56 am
By the way MM, if you do not like the information it has to be anti-Muslim so, as you are always right, it is pointless debating the truth because you refuse to recognize it if it came up and bit you. You are claiming that nearly half a million people just decided to up and leave their country on a whim? You are claiming that these people can return? You are claiming that these Jews have a right of return? And what about the Coptic Christians in Egypt amongst any other country where there are Muslims? They are leaving to visit family? Are they not scared to return?

So, according to you (which you have failed to deny) only Muslims have the right to human rights, not Jews, Christians, Hindus, Taoists etc. So, you do what you do and the rest of us, who are decent kind people, will work for human rights for all because we belive that everyone is human although I do hesitate to give you that title.

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 1:30 pm
MM, if you are interested in human rights for all, as you wish to claim, why are your websites ONLY for Muslims?

Wednesday February 8, 2012, 3:53 pm
Why thank you Alexandra.

Gillian:, I have one website which is Palestinian human rights. It is not Muslim specific. In addition, you are claiming I have websites, as in your plural regarding Muslims or did you mean Palestinians? Not all Palestnians are Muslim. Gillian the nine domains I own and they other eight I administer due to my work and activism in Social Justice, specifically in human rights, equity and equality, only one is specific to the plight of the Palestinian people. I have been or for most part still am involved in the past with the following:

The Social Justice High School Forum
The First Nation Attawapiskat People Committee
Teachers for Tanzania Initiative
SAGE (Sexuality and Gender Education Committee)
Faculty of Education Social Justice Conference Committee
Elementary School Social Justice Conference which specifically has a unit on the Holocaust each and every year. The other topics may and do vary from year to year, but the issue of the Holocaust is featured every single year since its inception.
Canada Chinese Reciprocal Learning Program Website Administrator
Science Olympiad Co-ordination Committee
Math Olympiad Co-ordination Committee
Teachers for Tanzania Website Administration, Resource Management
Windsor Essex Robotics Board Competition Board Member/Co-ordinator
Regional Computer Programming Competition Board Member/Co-ordinator
Game Development for Elementary/Secondary School Students Board Member/Coordinator
Canadian for Justice and Peace in the Middle East Media/Communications Work

These, by the way, are all voluntary positions and no remuneration nor consideration is given. In addition, I write for the Social Justice Journal and cross post in Democracy Interactive. I am also on Democracy Interactive on a fairly regular basis.

I also donate server space and offer free website design to worthy groups involved in Social Justice. I do everything including providing them with their domain, write their content and design their organizations website.

So, Gillian, while you continue to claim that I have no interest in human rights, almost all of my time away from work is devoted to promoting equity, equality and human rights for all human beings.

As to your claim that if I "do not like the information it has to be anti-Muslim so, as you are always right, it is pointless debating the truth because you refuse to recognize it if it came up and bit you." That is an outright lie Gillian. Human rights are violated on a daily basis by groups of all faith, all ethnicity and all genders. I advocate for people of all faiths, all genders and all ethnicity. What, you claim is useless, is correcting the constant misinformation you post on a regular basis. You claim I am wrong, yet Gillian, you have never been able to support any article you have posted on which I have submitted a post which challenges the veracity of a) your own post or b) the article you have submitted. You post the most shallow, fantastical claims which is not supported by fact. When you are challenged, you fail miserably again, and respond with ad hominem attacks rather than any factual support for what you are defending.

Where have I ever denied human rights or supported the denial of human rights for Jews, Christians, Buddhists, Agnostics, Atheists, Church of Scientology followers, etc? This is another fantastical tale of yours, and anyone who is on Care2 or people outside of Care2 know that I am a fierce defender of human rights, constitutional rights, civil liberties, equity, equality and justice. I have certainly denied your claim on hundreds (it has to be hundreds by now) of threads. Your opinion of me Gillian, really doesn't matter. That is the part of the trivial comment. Actually if you were my friend, I would actually be concerned about my mental health and would check myself into the nearest hospital.

Where are you decent Gillian. You rants are legendary and your behaviour on Care2 on many occasions has been obscene and disgusting. How can your rants in which you have on more than one occasion told me to take my children to Pakistan where they can be raped and have their throats slit. You have made accusations on my ability to be a parent to my children. You have claimed that I celebrate the slitting of throats of Israeli babies. You have called virtually anyone who dares to question or disagree with your point of view an antisemite or a supporter of terrorism. What you provide is always your opinion, never fact.

My criticism of Israel has nothing to do with the Jewish population residing within Israel (aside from settlers who demonstrate violence and racism towards others, including other Jewish citizens). My criticism is the policies of a government which manipulates their population through fear. How can you claim the Israel is a peaceful nation when a) they are continually embroiled in war with someone b) they will put their population at risk by denying to renegotiate a ceasefire which they broke in order to show those Arabs and c) has started the majority of the conflict they have been involved in.

You seem to have no problem with Israel striking Iran, yet Iran hasn't attacked anyone for at least almost 300 years. You state Ahmadinejad wants to eradicate the Jewish population even when it has been proven to you numerous times that this is a falsehood. You fail to recognize that even if this were so, then if international law applies equally to everyone, Israel should be handed their arses on a platter. Their rhetoric is specific in striking Iran. If rhetoric was legally considered an imminent threat, Israel's rhetoric alone would create a never-ending line of countries exercising their pre-emptive rights.

Again, here you go personally attacking me, referring to me as sub-human. You must of learned that lingo from those nice folks at Jihadwatch. Don't you realize that people can see how out of line and how completely irrational your posts are. The only people who support you are the same ones, who are as woefully intentionally ignorant as you. You choose to stick your head in the sand, unwilling to test your belief system. I don't know if it is laziness which makes it impossible for you to actually check to see if the issues I challenge you on are correct and if so provide credible evidence to support them or just it is an issue of incapability, in which you are unable to perform simple research on a topic using credible sources which can be supported with independent data? How is this so difficult Gillian? These are things you learn when you write your first essay in high school or maybe even earlier.

So you can continue to call me names because calling me names actually shows that I am effectual and correct in what I post. If I was so wrong, you wouldn't bother with the ad hominem attacks, you would just provide evidence to demonstrate that I am incorrect. You post from hate sites like Jihadwatch, Palwatch and Atlas Shrugged and I refute them with the top tier journals, publications, conference proceedings and Israel Jewish authored history texts.

If you actually took the time to spend more than a few seconds superficially scanning your favorite hate websites, you too, could learn about Jewish emigration from countries within the Middle East. Certainly no one is disputing that some did leave under threat or by force, but most of the crap you post distortes and manipulates the numbers of those who emigrated. There were numerous reasons for Jews to live countries within the ME for Israel. Some of the reasons why Jews left ME countries were actions by Israel into frightening them to come to Israel. Jews committed acts of terrorism against fellow Jews and attempted to place blame on other governments and terrorists to induce fear within the Jewish people and have them run to Israel's open, welcoming arms.

This lovely piece below is Ariel Sharon in an interview with Amoz Oz in 1984, who later became Prime Minister. And this is what you want to support and claim to be the country of the highest moral order?

"Let me tell me [sic] what is the most important thing, the sweetest fruit of the war in Lebanon: It is that now they don't just hate Israel. Thanks to us, they now also hate all those Feinschmecker Jews in Paris, London, New York, Frankfurt and Montreal, in all their holes. At last they hate all these nice Yids, who say they are different from us, that they are not Israeli thugs, that they are different Jews, clean and decent. Just like the assimilated Jew in Vienna and Berlin begged the anti-Semite not to confuse him with the screaming, stinking Ostjude, who had smuggled himself into that cultural environment out of the dirty ghettos of Ukraine and Poland. It won't help them, those clean Yids, just as it did not help them in Vienna and Berlin. Let them shout that they condemn Israel, that they are all right, that they did not want and don't want to hurt a fly, that they always prefer being slaughtered to fighting, that they have taken it upon themselves to teach the gentiles how to be good Christians by always turning the other cheek. It won't do them any good. Now they are getting it there because of us, and I am telling you, it is a pleasure to watch."

"They are the same Yids who persuaded the gentiles to capitulate to the bastards in Vietnam, to give it in to Khomeini, to Brezhnev, to feel sorry for Sheikh Yamani because of his tough childhood, to make love not war. Or rather, to do neither, and instead write a thesis on love and war. We are through with all that. The Yid has been rejected, not only did he crucify Jesus, but he also crucified Arafat in Sabra and Shatila. They are being identified with us and that's a good thing! Their cemeteries are being desecrated, their synagogues are set on fire, all their old nicknames are being revived, they are being expelled from the best clubs, people shoot into their ethnic restaurants murdering small children, forcing them to remove any sign showing them to be Jews, forcing them to move and change their profession.

"Soon their palaces will be smeared with the slogan: Yids, go to Palestine! And you know what? They will go to Palestine because they will have no other choice! All this is a bonus we received from the Lebanese war. Tell me, wasn't it worth it? Soon we will hit on good times. The Jews will start arriving, the Israelis will stop emigrating and those who already emigrated will return. Those who had chosen assimilation will finally understand that it won't help them to try and be the conscience of the world. The 'conscience of the world' will have to understand through its arse what it could not get into its head. The gentiles have always felt sick of the Yids and their conscience, and now the Yids will have only one option: to come home, all of them, fast, to install thick steel doors, to build a strong fence, to have submachine guns positioned at every corner of their fence here and to fight like devils against anyone who dares to make a sound in this region. And if anyone even raises his hand against us we'll take away half his land and burn the other half, including the oil. We might use nuclear arms. We'll go on until he no longer feels like it..." [ Amos Oz: In the Land of Israel, translated by Maurie Goldberg-Bartura, 1st Vintage Books Edition, New York, 1984]

Actually Gillian, the interview with Sharon reminds me a lot of your rants.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 7:49 am
Ah .. it's no longer the Zionists, its the Yids now .. lol ..
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Margaret M: "The Yid has been rejected, not only did he crucify Jesus"
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The controversy is over the involvement of the Jews in the
crucifixion...
a. Many have used their[the Jews or is it not the Yids] involvement as the basis for anti-Semitism
b. Seeking to place the entire blame for the death of Jesus on the
Jews[Yids]
Executable Outlines, Copyright © Mark A. Copeland, 2011

Thursday February 9, 2012, 9:00 am
Alexandra - That was a direct quote from Ariel Sharon, former Israeli Prime Minister, not from me. The marks that look like this, " are called quotation marks. This means that the material in between these " marks or quotation marks are attributed to another speaker which is usually identified. I identified these references to yid (which I find offensive and that is why I posted it) to Former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. How can you possibly attribute this to me?

You had once written that you are teaching. This certainly answers a lot of questions why Israel scores so poor in the Annual Global Education Ranking System.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 9:00 am
Well Gillian, this in your response to wanting proof that Palestinian children have been killed by the State of Israel. I have many more which I would be more than happy to provide you with, if this isn’t enough.

Israelis killing Palestinian Children (From Human Rights Watch) "White Flags Killing", August 2009

During these days, according to Khalid ‘Abd Rabbo, he and about 30 members of his immediate family stayed in their home on the eastern edge of the neighborhood.

The IDF had occupied the house during previous incursions without major problems, including two days during the February-March 2008 Operation Warm Winter, Khalid said, so he saw no reason to leave. “They know us and we never had a problem, so we didn’t think to be afraid,” he said. Khalid ‘Abd Rabbo had been a policeman with the Palestinian Authority until Hamas took control of Gaza in June 2007.

According to Khalid, his brother, and his mother, on January 7 at least one IDF tank pulled up to the western side of the house. When visiting the house on January 25, 2009, Human Rights Watch saw the tread marks of what appeared to be more than one tank, probably the IDF’s Merkava, in an area about 10 meters from the house’s western side. About one dozen spent 7.62 x 51 millimeter bullet casings littered the ground, as did an empty ammunition box with Hebrew writing for 230 7.62mm bullets. The 7.62 x 51 bullet is fired from the FN MAG 58, a machine gun used by Israeli infantry troops and also mounted on tanks and armored personnel carriers.

According to all three family members, around noon the family heard the tank outside their house and then a soldier on a megaphone calling on them to come outside. Afraid to send out any men, two women and three female children gathered at the door, at least three of them holding pieces of white cloth. They stepped outside and saw an Israeli tank about 10 meters away with its turret pointed at the house. On the front steps stood Khalid’s mother, Su’ad, 54, his wife, Kawthar, 26, and their three girls, Su’ad, 7, Samar, 4, and Amal, 2. Khalid’s mother Su’ad explained what happened next:

We saw one tank and we saw others behind. We were with the white flags in order to make them see that we were civilians. We spent seven to nine minutes waving the flags and our faces were looking at them. And suddenly they opened fire and the girls fell to the ground. Su’ad fell and when I saw her I turned to my right and when I turned I got hit... The shooting came from where the tank was but I don’t know who shot. Su’ad was wounded in the


Human Rights Watch interview with Akram Ayesh ‘Abd Rabbo, Jabalya, January 25, 2009.

Human Rights Watch interview with Khalid ‘Abd Rabbo, Jabalya, January 25, 2009. Amal was hit in the chest and abdomen and her intestines came out. Su’ad died immediately. We took Amal inside and she died in there because the ambulance could not come. Samar was injured in the chest and the shots exited her back, leaving large holes and damaging the spine. She is now paralyzed.... We had stood there for maybe ten minutes. The soldiers were sitting on top of the tank. The area was quiet. We saw no people. There was no shelling. We heard no fighting. They had full control of the area since the first day of the ground invasion. They had the area and also [nearby] Kashef Hill.

Interviewed separately, Khalid and his brother, who had both remained inside the house, confirmed this version of events. According to Khalid, the women and girls were outside for about five minutes when an Israeli soldier emerged from the top of the tank and without warning opened fire with automatic gunfire. The women and girls managed to scramble back inside the house, some of them bleeding badly, he said. In Brussels, Human Rights Watch interviewed Khalid’s brother Hasan, where he was tending to the wounded Samar in a hospital.

His recollection of some details varied slightly from his brother and mother, but his general account was the same. According to Hasan, the IDF soldiers ordered the family to come outside and then opened fire on the women and children.

“The area where we lived was under Israeli control, it was a safe place for them,” he said. “There were no fighters.

But I am sure your response will be that they were terrorist, and since they were Palestinians, of course, they are lying.

This was another disturbing case from 2001. There are plenty of deaths of Palestinian children, but I used this one to show how the law is discriminatory and allows for the killing of Palestinian children to be 12, even though the International standard is 18 and within Israel, "the age of majority in Israel is eighteen". (Library of Congress, Entry: Children’s Rights: Israel). This also clearly demonstrates the complete lack of respect to International law, the IDF portrayal of Palestinians to be less than human and the general concensus that Palestinians are not to be afforded the same rights as Israelis are subject to.

"Early in the morning of November 22, five Palestinian children were blown to pieces by an Israeli mine or bomb as they headed to school in Khan Younis. The children were 6 to 14 years-of-age, all from the Al Astel family. It is unclear if the explosion was set off by the children tripping over or kicking the device, or via remote control.

The next day, a senior Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) official was quoted on Israel Radio as saying “a big mistake was done.” The officer admitted an undercover army unit planted the device “in the area,” yet evaded any explanation as to why it was planted in the vicinity of a school. Yesterday, the IDF issued its first official statement regarding the killings. An IDF investigation revealed serious flaws in the planting and operation of the ordnance. Following the usual script, the IDF feigned “sorrow over the deaths of five children.” The IDF claims the device was planted in an area used by Palestinians to fire mortars at nearby Israeli colonial settlements and army positions. Israel Radio quoted IDF officials as saying the “device was meant to remain well hidden and was to be set off when the Palestinian shooters returned to the area.” (quoting Ha’aretz, 11/25/01)

Israeli opposition leader MK Yossi Sarid of Meretz, responding to IDF claims that their recent operations in Khan Younis were designed to prevent Palestinian attacks, stated: “That’s a targeted hit? Do you know who will pass by the area [where the bomb is planted]? It’s a residential area. What kind of bombs do you place in an area where school children pass by?” (Ha’aretz, 11/24/01)

MK Ran Cohen (Meretz) has called for a Knesset committee to investigate the incident, expressing dismay that the IDF sat quietly for two days before putting out an official statement that amounts to little more than a cover-up.

MK Uri Ariel (National Union-Yisrael Beiteinu) disagreed, stating that IDF investigations take time because they are thorough. “I have faith in the IDF,” he stated. “[Ariel] said that the army was is in the throes of the battle in the territories, and was busy assassinating Mahmoud Abu Hanoud [of Hamas] and so could not concentrate solely on the investigation that Cohen demanded.” (Ha’aretz, 11/25/01)

In other words: we were too busy trying to assassinate a Palestinian leader to investigate our killing of Palestinian children, but now that we’ve taken a five-minute breather from our assassination campaign we can conclude from our thorough investigation that a regretful mistake was made. Sorry kids, we’ll try to do a better job of killing the right folks next time.

The Israelis have not condemned the killings, though some officials say an apology might perhaps be in order.

According to the Palestinian Red Crescent Society, the total number of Palestinians killed since the second Intifada erupted on September 29, 2000 is 821. 16,661 Palestinians have been injured, many maimed for life. Palestinian children under the age of 18 represent about 1/4 of those killed.

The Israeli military’s killing of Palestinian children is not a sometimes accidental by-product of 34 years of occupation. It is in fact a matter of deliberate policy.

In a chilling interview conducted by Ha’aretz correspondent Amira Hass, an IDF sharpshooter admitted it was IDF policy to shoot at children above the age of 12. Here is an excerpt [AH = Hass, IS = Sharpshooter]:

(AH) You haven’t shot children.

(IS) “All the sharpshooters haven’t shot children.”

(AH) But nonetheless there are children who were hit, wounded or killed after they were hit in the head. Unless these were mistakes.

(IS) “If they were children, they were mistakes.”

(AH) Do they talk about this?

(IS) “They talk to us about this a lot. They forbid us to shoot at children.”

(AH) How do they say this?

(IS) “You don’t shoot a child who is 12 or younger.”

(AH) That is, a child of 12 or older is allowed?

(IS) “Twelve and up is allowed. He’s not a child any more, he’s already after his bar mitzvah. Something like that.”

(AH) Thirteen is bar mitzvah age.

(IS) “Twelve and up, you’re allowed to shoot. That’s what they tell us.”

(AH) Again: Twelve and up you’re allowed to shoot children.

(IS) “Because this already doesn’t look to me like a child by definition, even though in the United States a child can be 23.”

(AH) Under international law, a child is defined as someone up to the age of 18.

(IS) “Up until 18 is a child?”

(AH) So, according to the IDF, it is 12?

(IS) “According to what the IDF says to its soldiers. I don’t know if this is what the IDF says to the media.”

(AH) And children are from 12 down. Is there no order that between 12 and 18 you shoot at the legs and not the head?

(IS) “Of course we try to see to it that he really is over 20.”

(AH) In the 10 seconds that you have.

(IS) “In the 10 seconds that I have, I have to estimate how old he is.”

(AH) And in what direction the wind is blowing, and the deviation here and there, and which way he’ll jump the next moment.

(IS) “Yes, but there are hardly any mistakes by sharpshooters. The mistakes are made by people who aren’t sharpshooters.”

(AH) And it turns out that they happen to hit the children’s heads, and all this is just by chance?

(IS) “If you say you have seen children that have been hit in the head a lot, then it is sharpshooters.”

(AH) So what you’re saying is that our definition of children is different.

(IS) “Your definition is different.”

(AH) Because for you it’s someone who is 12.

(IS) “Yes.”

(AH) But a child of 13 doesn’t bear arms, no matter what you call him, a boy or a teenager or an adult.

(IS) “He isn’t holding a gun but a firebomb, and in certain places it is possible also to fire on people who throw firebombs.”

["Don't shoot till you can see they're over the age of 12," Ha'aretz, November 20, 2000]

In another article, Hass reported that a group of Western diplomats traveling from Jerusalem to Ramallah witnessed Israeli troops fire live ammunition at a group of stone-throwing Palestinian children, “even though the children were too far to pose a risk to the soldiers.” “The diplomats say that shots were fired even though a long line of civilian cars were traveling past the children at the time.” “[One of the diplomats] says that he saw a second soldier in the observation tower clapping and raising his hands as if in victory after his colleague fired at the children.” ["Envoys say they saw IDF fire at children." Ha'aretz, July 26, 2001]

In a damning indictment of Israeli military criminality and pathology, New York Times Middle East Bureau chief Chris Hedges writes: “Yesterday at this spot the Israelis shot eight young men, six of whom were under the age of eighteen. One was twelve. This afternoon they kill an eleven-year-old boy, Ali Murad, and seriously wound four more, three of whom are under eighteen. Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered-death squads gunned them down in El Salvador and Guatemala, mothers with infants were lined up and massacred in Algeria, and Serb snipers put children in their sights and watched them crumple onto the pavement in Sarajevo-but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport.” ["Gaza Diary: Scenes from the Palestinian Uprising," Harper's Magazine, October 2001]

In a report released last week, B’Tselem, the leading Israeli human rights organization, blasted what it called a “shallow and superficial” Israeli army investigation into the shooting death of an eleven-year-old Palestinian boy, Khalil al-Mughrabi.

On July 7, Khalil and twenty to thirty other children played soccer in the Yubneh Refugee Camp, in Rafah, near the Egyptian border. After they finished playing, the children sat on some mounds of sand near the border fence. Suddenly, Khalil’s head burst into parts from a bullet fired by an Israeli soldier in a nearby observation post. The soldiers proceeded to unleash “intense fire” on the other children. Ibrahim Abu Susin, 10, and Suleiman Abu Rijal, 12, were badly wounded.

B’Tselem concludes: “An eleven-year-old child was killed and two children were injured for no reason. However, the army failed to open any investigation against the soldiers responsible, even though all the army officials involved in the review of the incident clearly knew that the soldiers had used lethal weapons when their lives were not in jeopardy and had violated army regulations.”

B’Tselem notes that despite the deaths of hundreds of Palestinian civilians since the Intifada broke out, “the Military Police only opened some twenty investigation files relating to the illegal use of weapons. In none of the cases were indictments filed.” The report goes on to say that, “Over the years, B’Tselem has received hundreds of letters from the Judge Advocate General’s office regarding events in which Palestinians were killed, injured, or beaten by soldiers. In some of the cases, Military Police investigations were opened, and in some, the Judge Advocate General’s office only conducted an internal investigation. Most of the replies that B’Tselem received state that the soldiers acted properly and that no action was taken against the soldiers involved.” ["Whitewash: The Office of the Judge Advocate General's Examination of the Death of Khalil al-Mughrabi, 11, on 7 July 2001," B,Tselem, 11/13/01]

Given the well known history of the Israeli military’s farcical self “investigations,” don’t hold your breath for an honest accounting of the killing of the five children in Khan Younis.

The message Israeli troops receive from the lack of serious investigation into and punishment for military criminality is clear: you can murder civilians — even little children — for no reason at all, and you can do it with impunity." [Suffer Palestine's Children, 27 Nov 2001, Counterpunch]

If course you will dismiss Counterpunch as a Islamic propagandist site even though this information can all be independently verified.

I want to ask you Gillian, did you take any action to advocate for the Fogel family, aside from posting on Care2? (oh, silly me… I was the one who posted 2 stories when this massacre happened, not you). Did you do anything outside of Care2 commentary? I certainly did advocate for the victims when this happened, and not just on Care2. I don't consider Care2 really an outlet for activism, although it does do some good. Real work is actually giving time to credible organizations. I actually, as listed above, do many, many things to work towards the recognition and application of human rights for ALL people.

Let's see what the statistics say regarding the killing of children by the state of Israel and the killing of Israeli children by the Palestinians. As of August 31, 2011, 1,331 minor Palestinian children have been killed by the State of Israel whereas 129 minor Israeli children were killed in the same time period.

I also want to ask you, do you know even the name of one Israeli child who was killed by the Palestinians Gillian? Do you know the name of one Palestinian child killed by the state of Israel. I know the names of every single Israeli child killed by the Palestinians and have taken action and advocated for each and every one of them. I have also advocated for the killed Palestinian children killed by the State of Israel, but don't know their names because there are far too many.

Israeli Children killed by Palestinians

1. Yair 'Amar
13 year-old resident of Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, killed on 12.12.2001 in Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in an attack which included the detonation of an explosive device and the shooting a bus.
2. Avraham Nahman Nitzani
17 year-old resident of Betar Illit, Bethlehem district, killed on 12.12.2001 in Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in an attack which included the detonation of an explosive device and the shooting a bus.
3. Shoshana Ben Ishai
16 year-old resident of Betar Illit, Bethlehem district, killed on 04.11.2001 in East Jerusalem, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed while riding on Bus No. 25 at the French Hill neighborhood.
4. Menashe Regev
14 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 04.11.2001 in East Jerusalem, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed while riding on Bus No. 25 at the French Hill neighborhood.
5. Ronen Landau
17 year-old, killed on 26.07.2001 next to al-Jib, al-Quds district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed while driving in his car.
6. Yehuda Haim Shoham
Under 1 year-old resident of Shilo, Ramallah and al-Bira district, injured on 06.06.2001 in Shilo Junction, Ramallah and al-Bira district, by stone throwing, and died on 11.06.2001. Additional information: Wounded in the head by a stone thrown at him, died a week later.
7. Kobi Mandell
14 year-old resident of Tekoa', Bethlehem district, killed on 09.05.2001 next to Tekoa', Bethlehem district, by beating. Additional information: Killed by Palestinians who crushed his skull with rocks.
8. Yosef Ishran
14 year-old resident of Tekoa', Bethlehem district, injured on 09.05.2001 next to Tekoa', Bethlehem district, by beating, and died on 08.05.2001. Additional information: Killed by Palestinians who crushed his skull with rocks.
9. Shalhevet Pass
Under 1 year-old resident of Hebron, killed on 26.03.2001 in Hebron, by gunfire, from a . Additional information: Killed by sniper gunfire while in the settlement playground.
10. Ophir Rahum
16 year-old resident of Ashkelon, killed on 17.01.2001 next to al-Birah, Ramallah and al-Bira district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by gunfire at close range after he was tricked into going to Ramallah.
11. Assaf Avitan
15 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 01.12.2001 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on the Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall.
12. Israel Ya'akov Danino
17 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 01.12.2001 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on the Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall.
13. Golan Turgeman
15 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 01.12.2001 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on the Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall.
14. Idan Cohen
17 year-old resident of Jerusalem, injured on 01.12.2001 in Jerusalem, by explosion, and died on 08.12.2001. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on the Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall.
15. Adam Weinstein
14 year-old resident of Givon Hahadasha, al-Quds district, killed on 01.12.2001 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on the Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall.
16. Hemda Schijveschuurder
2 year-old resident of Nahariya, killed on 09.08.2001 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Sbarro restaurant.
17. Ra'aya Schijveschuurder
14 year-old resident of Nahariya, killed on 09.08.2001 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Sbarro restaurant.
18. Yocheved Shushan
10 year-old resident of West Jerusalem, killed on 09.08.2001 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Sbarro restaurant.
19. Michal Raziel
16 year-old resident of East Jerusalem, killed on 09.08.2001 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Sbarro restaurant.
20. Malka Roth
15 year-old resident of East Jerusalem, killed on 09.08.2001 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Sbarro restaurant.
21. Tamara Shimashvili
8 year-old resident of West Jerusalem, killed on 09.08.2001 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Sbarro restaurant.
22. Avraham Yitzhak Schijveschuurder
4 year-old resident of Nahariya, killed on 09.08.2001 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Sbarro restaurant.
23. Aliza Malka
17 year-old resident of Bat Yam, killed on 09.08.2001 next to Kibbutz Merav. Additional information: Killed while driving in her car near the kibbutz.
24. Yael Yulia Sklianik
15 year-old resident of Holon, injured on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion, and died on 03.06.2001. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
25. Anya Kazackovkov
16 year-old resident of Holon, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
26. Marina Berkovizki
17 year-old resident of Tel Aviv-Yafo, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
27. Katherine Kastaniyada Talkir
15 year-old resident of Ramat Gan, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
28. Yulia Nelimov
16 year-old resident of Tel Aviv-Yafo, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
29. Raisa Nimrovsky
15 year-old resident of Netanya, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
30. Maria Tagilchev
14 year-old resident of Netanya, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
31. Irina Nepomneschi
16 year-old resident of Bat Yam, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
32. Yevgeniya Dorfman
15 year-old resident of Bat Yam, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
33. Mariana Medvedenko
16 year-old resident of Tel Aviv-Yafo, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
34. Liana Sakiyan
16 year-old resident of Tel Aviv-Yafo, killed on 01.06.2001 in Tel Aviv-Yafo, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to the Dolphinarium dance club.
35. Naftali Lanzkom
13 year-old resident of Petah Tikva, killed on 28.03.2001 in Neve Yamin Intersection, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at a gas station next to the Sdei Hemed moshav.
36. Eliran Rosenberg Zayat
15 year-old resident of Giv'at Shmuel, killed on 28.03.2001 in Neve Yamin Intersection, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at a gas station next to the Sdei Hemed moshav.
37. Gavriel Hoter
17 year-old resident of Alonei Habashan, killed on 27.12.2002 in Otni'el, Hebron district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by gunfire of Palestinians who infiltrated the Otniel Yeshiva.
38. Hadas Turjeman
14 year-old resident of Hermesh, Jenin district, killed on 29.10.2002 in Hermesh, Jenin district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by gunfire from a Palestinian who infiltrated the settlement.
39. Lenoy Saroussi
14 year-old resident of Hermesh, Jenin district, killed on 29.10.2002 in Hermesh, Jenin district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by gunfire from a Palestinian who infiltrated the settlement.
40. Shuv-El Dikstein
9 year-old resident of Psagot, Ramallah and al-Bira district, killed on 26.07.2002 next to Zif, Hebron district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed with his parents in a shooting attack near Zif junction.
41. Sarah Tiferet Shilon
Under 1 year-old resident of Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, killed on 16.07.2002 next to Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed in an attack which included the detonation of an explosive device and shooting.
42. Yonatan Gamliel
16 year-old resident of Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, killed on 16.07.2002 next to Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in an attack which included the detonation of an explosive device and shooting.

43. Prematurely born baby of severely wounded woman
Under 1 year-old resident of Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, killed on 16.07.2002 next to Emmanuel, Tulkarm district, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in an attack which included the detonation of an explosive device and shooting.
44. Neria Shabo
16 year-old resident of Itamar, Nablus district, killed on 20.06.2002 in Itamar, Nablus district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed when a Palestinian infiltrated the family's house in the settlement and opened fire.
45. Avishai Shabo
5 year-old resident of Itamar, Nablus district, killed on 20.06.2002 in Itamar, Nablus district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by a Palestinian who infiltrated his house in the settlement and opened fire.
46. Zvika Shabo
14 year-old resident of Itamar, Nablus district, killed on 20.06.2002 in Itamar, Nablus district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by a Palestinian who infiltrated his house in the settlement and opened fire.
47. Gal Eisenman
5 year-old resident of Ma'ale Adumim, Ramallah and al-Bira district, killed on 19.06.2002 in East Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the French Hill intersection.
48. Shmuel Yerushalmi
17 year-old resident of Shilo, Ramallah and al-Bira district, killed on 19.06.2002 in East Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the French Hill intersection.
49. Gilad Stieglitz
14 year-old resident of Yaqir, Tulkarm district, killed on 28.05.2002 in Itamar, Nablus district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by a Palestinian who infiltrated the settlement and opened fire.
50. Avraham Sitton
17 year-old resident of Shilo, Ramallah and al-Bira district, killed on 28.05.2002 in Itamar, Nablus district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by a Palestinian who infiltrated the settlement and opened fire.
51. Nathaniel Riahi
17 year-old resident of Kochav Ya'aqov, Ramallah and al-Bira district, killed on 28.05.2002 in Itamar, Nablus district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by a Palestinian who infiltrated the settlement and opened fire.
52. Daniel Shefi
5 year-old resident of Adora, Hebron district, killed on 27.04.2002 in Adora, Hebron district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed in a shooting attack carried out by Palestinians that infiltrated the settlement.
53. Rachel Thaler
15 year-old resident of Ginot Hashomron, West Bank district, injured on 16.02.2002 in Karne Shomeron, Tulkarm district, by explosion, and died on 27.02.2002. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the Karne Shomron mall. She died 11 days after the bombing.
54. Nehemia 'Amar
15 year-old resident of Karne Shomeron, Tulkarm district, killed on 16.02.2002 in Karne Shomeron, Tulkarm district, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the Qarne Shomron shopping mall.
55. Keren Shatsky
15 year-old resident of Ginot Hashomron, West Bank district, killed on 16.02.2002 in Karne Shomeron, Tulkarm district, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the Qarne Shomron shopping mall.
56. Yael Ohana
11 year-old resident of Hamra, Jericho district, killed on 06.02.2002 in Hamra, Jericho district, by gunfire. Additional information: Shot by a Palestinian who infiltrated the settlement.
57. Yafit Revivo
14 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 21.11.2002 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 20 in Kiryat Menachem.
58. Ilan Perlman
8 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 21.11.2002 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 20 in Kiryat Menachem.
59. Mikha'el Shershevsky
16 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 21.11.2002 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 20 in Kiryat Menachem.
60. Hodaya Asraf
13 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 21.11.2002 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 20 in Kiryat Menachem.
61. Matan Ohayon
5 year-old resident of Kibbutz Mezer, killed on 10.11.2002 in Kibbutz Mezer. Additional information: Killed by a Palestinian who carried out a shooting attack in the kibbutz.
62. Noam Ohayon
4 year-old resident of Kibbutz Mezer, killed on 10.11.2002 in Kibbutz Mezer. Additional information: Killed by a Palestinian who carried out a shooting attack in the kibbutz.
63. Gaston Perpinal
15 year-old resident of Kfar Sava, killed on 04.11.2002 in Kfar Sava, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Arim shopping mall.
64. Osnat Abramov
16 year-old resident of Holon, killed on 22.10.2002 next to Pardes Hanna-Karkur, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 841 at the Karkur intersection.
65. Galila Bugala
11 year-old resident of East Jerusalem, killed on 18.06.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 32 near the Pat intersection.
66. Shani Avi Zedek
15 year-old resident of West Jerusalem, killed on 18.06.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 32 near the Pat intersection.
67. hadar Hershkowitz
15 year-old resident of Herzliya, killed on 11.06.2002 in Herzliya, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at the entrance to a restaurant on Sokolov Street.
68. Adi Dahan
17 year-old resident of Afula, killed on 05.06.2002 next to Megido Intersection, by explosion. Additional information: Killed when a suicide bomber blew up a car.
69. Sinai Keinan
1 year-old resident of Petah Tikva, killed on 27.05.2002 in Petah Tikva, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Em Hamoshavot shopping center.
70. Elmar Dezhabrielov
16 year-old resident of Rishon Lezion, killed on 22.05.2002 in Rishon Lezion, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on Rothschild Street.
71. Ofer Ron
17 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 31.03.2002 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Matza restaurant.
72. Gal Koren
15 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 31.03.2002 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Matza restaurant.
73. Adi Shiran
17 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 31.03.2002 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Matza restaurant.
74. Orly Ofir
16 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 31.03.2002 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Matza restaurant.
75. Rachel Levy
17 year-old resident of West Jerusalem, killed on 29.03.2002 at a checkpoint near West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing at a supermarket in the Kiryat Yovel neighborhood.
76. Aviya Malka
Under 1 year-old, killed on 09.03.2002 in Netanya. Additional information: Killed in a shooting attack on the promenade.
77. Liran Nehmad
3 year-old resident of Rishon Lezion, killed on 02.03.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Beit Yisrael neighborhood.
78. Oriah Ilan
1 year-old resident of Rishon Lezion, killed on 02.03.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Beit Yisrael neighborhood.
79. Shauli Nehmad
15 year-old resident of Rishon Lezion, killed on 02.03.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Beit Yisrael neighborhood.
80. Ya'akov Avraham Eliahu
Under 1 year-old resident of West Jerusalem, killed on 02.03.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Beit Yisrael neighborhood.
81. Lidor Ilan
12 year-old resident of Rishon Lezion, killed on 02.03.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Beit Yisrael neighborhood.
82. Avraham Eliahu Nehmad
17 year-old resident of Rishon Lezion, injured on 02.03.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion, and died on 20.06.2002. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Beit Yisrael neighborhood.
83. Shiraz Nehmad
7 year-old resident of Rishon Lezion, killed on 02.03.2002 in West Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Beit Yisrael neighborhood.
84. Shaked Avraham
Under 1 year-old resident of Negohot, Hebron district, killed on 25.09.2003 in Negohot, Hebron district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed at the entrance to her home when Palestinian knocked on the door and shot her.
85. Assaf Staier
11 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 04.10.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Maxim restaurant.
86. Noya Zer-Aviv
1 year-old resident of Kibbutz Yagur, killed on 04.10.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Maxim restaurant.
87. Liran Zer-Aviv
4 year-old resident of Kibbutz Yagur, killed on 04.10.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Maxim restaurant.
88. Tomer Almog
9 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 04.10.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing in the Maxim restaurant.
89. Benyamin Bergman
15 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 19.08.2003 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 2 on Samuel Hanavi street.
90. Shmuel Zargari
1 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 19.08.2003 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 2 on Samuel Hanavi street.
91. Issachar Dov Reinitz
9 year-old resident of Netanya, killed on 19.08.2003 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 2 on Samuel Hanavi street.
92. Tehilla Nathanson
3 year-old resident of Zichron Ya'akov, killed on 19.08.2003 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 2 on Samuel Hanavi street.
93. Avraham Bar-Or
12 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 19.08.2003 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 2 on Samuel Hanavi street.
94. Elisheva Meshulami
16 year-old resident of Bnei Baraq, killed on 19.08.2003 in Jerusalem, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 2 on Samuel Hanavi street.
95. Noam Leibowitz
7 year-old resident of Yamin Orde, killed on 17.06.2003 next to Kibbutz Eyal. Additional information: Killed by gunfire at a car she was in while she and her family were returning from a bar-mitzvah on Trans-Israel Highway.
96. Elizabeth Katzman
17 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
97. Abigail Litale
14 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
98. Daniel Haroush
16 year-old resident of Safed, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
99. Yuval Mendellevich
13 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
100. Kamar Abu Hamed
12 year-old resident of Daliat al-Carmel, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
101. Assaf Tzur
17 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
102. Tom Hershko
15 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
103. Smadar Firstater
16 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
104. Tal Kehrmann
17 year-old resident of Haifa, killed on 05.03.2003 in Haifa, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing on bus No. 37.
105. Merav Hatuel
2 year-old resident of Qatif, Gush Katif district, killed on 02.05.2004 in al-Qarara, Rafah district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed while in a car with her mother and sisters in a shooting attack.
106. Hila Hatuel
11 year-old resident of Qatif, Gush Katif district, killed on 02.05.2004 in al-Qarara, Rafah district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed while in a car with her mother and sisters in a shooting attack.
107. Roni Hatuel
7 year-old resident of Qatif, Gush Katif district, killed on 02.05.2004 in al-Qarara, Rafah district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed while in a car with her mother and sisters in a shooting attack.
108. Hadar Hatuel
9 year-old resident of Qatif, Gush Katif district, killed on 02.05.2004 in al-Qarara, Rafah district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed with her mother and sisters in a shooting attack.
109. Dorit Inso
2 year-old resident of Sderot, killed on 29.09.2004 in Sderot, by a Qassam rocket. Additional information: Killed by a missile that hit her house.
110. Yuval Abebeh
4 year-old resident of Sderot, killed on 29.09.2004 in Sderot, by a Qassam rocket. Additional information: Killed by a missile that hit his house.
111. Avial Atash
3 year-old resident of Be'er Sheva, killed on 31.08.2004 in Be'er Sheva, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in the double suicide bombing on the No .6 and No. 12 buses.
112. Afiq Zahavi-Ohayon
4 year-old resident of Sderot, killed on 28.06.2004 in Sderot, by a Qassam rocket. Additional information: Killed by a missile that fell near a preschool in the Neve Eshkol neighborhood.
113. Oz Ben Meir
15 year-old resident of Ma'on, Hebron district, killed on 16.10.2005 next to Alon Shvut, Bethlehem district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by gunfire from a car that stopped by the Gush Etzion junction pick-up [tramp] station.
114. Aviad Mansour
16 year-old resident of Otni'el, Hebron district, injured on 24.06.2005 next to Beit Hagai, Hebron district, by gunfire, and died on 26.06.2005. Additional information: Killed while waiting for a ride at the hitchhiking station about 200 meters from the entrance to the settlement.
115. Avihai Levy
17 year-old resident of Beit Hagai, Hebron district, killed on 24.06.2005 next to Beit Hagai, Hebron district, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed while waiting for a ride at the hitchhiking station about 200 meters from the entrance to the settlement.
116. Rachel Ben Avu
16 year-old resident of Tel Aviv, killed on 12.07.2005 in Netanya, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide attack outside Hasharon Mall. About 90 people were injured in the attack.
117. Nofar Horowitz
16 year-old resident of Tel Aviv, killed on 12.07.2005 in Netanya, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide attack outside Hasharon Mall. About 90 people were injured in the attack.
118. Ayala-Haya Abukasis
17 year-old resident of Sderot, injured on 15.01.2005 in Sderot, by a Qassam rocket, and died on 21.01.2005. Additional information: Was wounded and remained brain-dead for six days before dying.
119. Shaked Lasker
16 year-old resident of Kedumim, Tulkarm district, killed on 30.03.2006 next to Kedumim, Tulkarm district, by explosion. Additional information: Killed in a suicide bombing near the gas station in the entry of Kedumim

120. Segev Peniel Avihail
15 year-old resident of Neve Daniel, Bethlehem district, killed on 06.03.2008 in Jerusalem, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by an armed man who entered Mercaz Harav yeshiva and opened fire at the students.

121. Yonatan Yitzhak Eldar
16 year-old resident of Shilo, Ramallah and al-Bira district, killed on 06.03.2008 in Jerusalem, by gunfire.

122. Neria Cohen
15 year-old resident of Jerusalem, killed on 06.03.2008 in Jerusalem, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by an armed man who entered Mercaz Harav yeshiva and opened fire at the students.

123. Avraham David Mozes
16 year-old resident of Efrat, Bethlehem district, killed on 06.03.2008 in Jerusalem, by gunfire. Additional information: Killed by an armed man who entered Mercaz Harav yeshiva and opened fire at the students.

124. Shlomo Nativ
16 year-old resident of Bat Ayin, Bethlehem district, killed on 02.04.2009 in Bat Ayin, Bethlehem district, by beating. Additional information: Killed when struck by a an axe.

125. Ela'd Fogel
4 year-old resident of Itamar, Nablus district, killed on 11.03.2011 in Itamar, Nablus district, by stabbing. Additional information: Killed with his parents and his two siblings were in their home in the Itamar settlement.
126. Yoav Fogel
11 year-old resident of Itamar, Nablus district, killed on 11.03.2011 in Itamar, Nablus district, by stabbing. Additional information: Killed with his parents and his two siblings were in their home in the Itamar settlement.
127. Hadas Fogel
Under 1 year-old resident of Itamar, Nablus district, killed on 11.03.2011 in Itamar, Nablus district, by stabbing. Additional information: Killed with her parents and her two siblings in their home in the Itamar settlement.
128. Yonatan Palmer
1 year-old resident of Kiryat Arba, Hebron district, killed on 23.09.2011 next to Kiryat Arba, Hebron district, by stone throwing. Additional information: Killed after the vehicle he was riding in was hit by thrown stones.
129. Daniel Viflic
16 year-old resident of Ramat Beit Shemesh, injured on 07.04.2011 next to Kfar Aza, by a missile, and died on 17.04.2011. Additional information: Killed by a missile that struck a bus at the Saad junction, near the Gaza Strip.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 11:01 am
I couldn't be sure what you meant with that big piece of quotation, whether and what parts you are saying through the words of others or are against the words of others.

Had to reflect your quote back to you for clarification(i thought using 'ah' at the begining of a sentence is typical of a clarative statement , maybe it's different in Canada). What about your quote do you find so offensive, what in your quote do you agree with, if any?

The part about the Yids killing Jesus i disagree, with all of the rest of your quote i agree. My guess was that you disagree with everything in your quote, except for the part of the Yids killing Jesus.

Therefore the need to clarify. Get over it, preferably without being condescending about speech marks, not even i am that illiterate..

Thursday February 9, 2012, 4:54 pm
You want me to respond without a condescending attitude? Well, let me think. Nope. I have been listening to you stay completely silent when your dear friend Gillian posts extremely inappropriate ad hominem attacks based on delusion. I have had you call me, a Jew, an antisemite. I have had you preach to me, in your new found Jewishness, on what being a Jew is. I really don't have a choice whether to be a Jew or not be a Jew. That is what I am. Then we had the famous thread of last year, when Gillian in the fit of her hysterical hatred spewing verbal diarrhea directly at me (for posting facts which were properly cited), you attempted to cajole me into "noting" some of her articles (which at that time I had noted 487 of them, and comment on her causes (again while Gillian completely is engulfed in the fever of her diatribe). You lectured everyone else who were not behaving in such a disgusting manner, but did not even say a word to your dear, but somewhat unglued, friend, Gillian. And now you want me to spare you the condescending remarks. I think not.

Sentences sandwiched between " marks or as most people call them, quotation marks, indicate that the material between the " and the " are a quote which is attributed to someone else (unless you are Patricia/Edw Jones who like to refer to themselves in the third person). Considering, THE PARAGRAPH WHICH PRECEDED the quote stated "This lovely piece below is Ariel Sharon in an interview with Amoz Oz in 1984, who later became Prime Minister. And this is what you want to support and claim to be the country of the highest moral order? ", I would think that this would be a CLUE as to who the speaker may be.

As for the Yids killing Jesus and I posted this as an example of often what the mentality is of the Israeli leadership, which is the target of my criticism, I most certainly do not agree with one word that Mr. Sharon said.

You state that you agree with everything else Alexandra. Alexandra when it comes to antisemitism (which has nothing to do with the hatred of the religion, but a hatred to the people who are born to it) You are definitely an antisemite. You have agreed with Mr. Sharon's statement in which he is saying he is glad that he has made the Lebanese not only hate the actions of what Israel has done, but now the "sweetest fruit" (SEE A DIRECT QUOTE) is that all Jews will be hated no matter where they live and no matter if they believe in Zionism or not. He finds it "a pleasure to watch" the Jewish people, all of them, to get "it there". He is wishing fellow Jews harm Alexandra, because we all know misery loves company. He is speaking of the victims of Holocaust with complete contempt and disdain when he rants " that they always prefer being slaughtered to fighting".

You also must be supporting Sabra and Shatila, because he is boasting of the slaughter of the Lebanese Phalanges, the party supported by Maronite Christians masterminded by Sharon. At the low end estimate, 700 - 800 Palestinian refugees were slaughtered. At the high end of estimation, 3,500 were slaughtered. You support and agree with this Alexandra?

Sharon then speaks of the "bonus" received from the Lebanon war, as Jews will have no other choice than to emigrate to Israel. Forced immigration Alexandra. What is what it amounts too. Since they have made all Jews persona non grata and since they have made everyone else hate the Jews through Sharon's actions, which will envoke fear of annihilation in the hearts and minds of the Jewish people. This will prevent Israeli Jews from leaving Israel and those who had no intention of going to Israel, running to Israel, because the have no other option.

You think this is how a democratic leader of allegedly the "moral" state of Israel thinks and behaves? You can easily shed your "Jewish" character Alexandra, I cannot. I am certainly going to condemn the words and actions of this psychopathic man who has put me, as a Jew, and every other Jew at risk. You wonder why there are terrorists, Alexandra. This is exactly why there are terrorists. Leaders like this who intentionally create conflict which is so morally debased that anyone in their right mind would be horrified by it and as a result of these actions and beliefs has created antisemitism rather than fighting it. After awhile, countries who suffer from the actions of a man, such as this; the man you actually agree with, while the state of Israel continues to claim that their actions are based on the Jewish character of the State, not Zionism which creates these conflicts, people begin to equate these criminal actions as acts of Jews, not acts of the Zionistic character of the state of Israel. Thus, I, as a Jew, am at risk from terrorists because of the actions of the State of Israel.

You also seem to agree with the "Yid" this and the "Yid" that, along with the characterization of Jews who do not savour and thrive on war. To support this type of rhetoric, is antisemitic. Next time you decide to call me an antisemite, will only again demonstrate how shallow and what complete disregard you have for your fellow Jews and their safety. Next time you comment on a post where a Jew has been killed by an act of terrorism, don't even try to claim outrage, your support and agreement with this complete megalomaniac speaks volumes. Your concern is not for the Jewish people, your concern is for the land thieving, human rights violators. You can also drop the coy, little girl act, no one will buy it anymore after this little gem.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 5:01 pm
Also Alexandra, you weren't asking for clarification, you were assuming, just as you again did with your assumption that I believe that Jews killed Jesus. You actually quoted someone, was so impressed that you actually knew how to use those funny marks " and ". Wow, impressive. On top of it, you made it quite clear that I was posting this either myself or as support of it, so either you paid no attention to what you were reading or have difficulty understanding and retaining the written word. Your response clearly shows that you didn't want clarification, you were making assumptions as usual.

Thursday February 9, 2012, 10:19 pm
to answer your guestion Margaret, yes, this is exactly what i support(by choice as you pointed out through being a Jewess according to halachic convert tradition), i support a country and leadership of highest morals.Sharon, in that quote of yours spoke with wit and sarcasm, not meaning every word literally. Perhaps read it again, carefully and unliterally? The core of what that quote says (and which i totally 100% agree) is that Israel is not willing to silently and defencelessly give their lives to brutes out to kill them. And that those who side with the enemies of Israel are one day going to become the victims of Israel's enemies too without any choice or without having a defence.

Loving behaviour towards a bully is seen as a weakness/an easy target by a bully who is willing to savage all and anything in its way.

Every other thing(except the Yid killing Jesus bit) in that quote speaks a profound truth. If the enemies of Israel is so humourless that they take those words at face value rather than grasping the profound truth in that humour, G-d help us.

As for your accusations that i was making assumptions apparently about you, how is seeking clarification making an assumption?

(the rest of your comment is such rubbish it's not even worth responding to)

PS. I am sorry to hear you feel you've no choice in being Jewish and perhaps wish you weren't. Sounds terrible. Poor you.

Friday February 10, 2012, 12:50 am
oops, spelling mistake! it should be 'defenseless' and 'defenselessly'..

Friday February 10, 2012, 3:49 am
Alexandra - Your choice to convert is your choice and moving to Israel, picking up with your child and leaving your home to go is admirable. Don't get me wrong. My point is that your choice can also be unchosen, people who are antisemitic, are not targeting religion, they are targeting birth.

There was no sarcasm Alexandra, that is not even close to what a sarcastic comment is. You stated that you agreed with him on all fronts Alexandra, except the "Jesus" point. Wriggling out of it now, again shows lack of conviction and character. The Yid part wasn't just applied to the Jesus comment, it was liberally littered throughout the whole interview.

To insuniuate that I am "sorry to hear you feel you've no choice in being Jewish and perhaps wish you weren't". You arrogant ninny. I never stated that I was sorry about anything. What I did state is antisemitism through conversion is not what is targeted by antisemities, their issue is about Jews as a race, which is something one has no control over. It is a circumstance of birth. In that, there is no apology as to what I am born. To state otherwise, is again intentional misrepresentation of what people who call you on your bs state. I won't ever be surprised if you are on Anderson Cooper's ridiculist, because your posts is beyond ridiculous it is downright offensive.

You never seek clarification Alexandra. Instead you portray yourself as a somewhat confused, innocent woman who when called on it claims that you have misunderstood. What a crock. At least with Gillian, people know what they are getting, but you, on the other hand fulfill every stereotype of the dizzy woman which women have fought against for decades. Your claim for clarification only comes after someone has had enough of your bs and you are challenged and as usual, have no coherent response.

This is what Naomi Wolf has said about Sharon's promotion of antisemitism for the sole purpose of acheiving immigration.

So again, to ensure you understand, below is from Naomi Wolf which was posted in the Globe and Mail, April 2002.

"For Ariel Sharon, it is the fear of anti-semitism, both real and imagined, that is the weapon. Mr Sharon likes to say that he stands up to terrorists to show he is not afraid. In fact, his policies are driven by fear. His great talent is that he fully understands the depths of Jewish fear of another Holocaust. He knows how to draw parallels between Jewish anxieties about anti-semitism and American fears of terrorism, and he is an expert at harnessing all of it for his political ends.

The primary and familiar fear that Sharon draws on, the one that allows him to disguise all aggressive actions as defensive ones, is the fear that Israel's neighbours want to drive the Jews into the sea. The secondary fear Sharon manipulates is the fear among Jews in the diaspora that they will eventually be driven to seek a safe haven in Israel. This leads millions of Jews around the world, many of them sickened by Israeli aggression, to shut up and send their cheques, a down-payment on future sanctuary.

The equation is simple: the more fearful Jews are, the more powerful Sharon is. Elected on a platform of "peace through security", Sharon's administration could barely hide its delight at Le Pen's ascendancy, immediately calling on French Jews to pack their bags and come to the promised land. For Sharon, Jewish fear is a guarantee that his power will go unchecked, granting him the impunity needed to do the unthinkable: send troops into the Palestinian Authority's education ministry to steal and destroy records, bury children alive in their homes, block ambulances from getting to the dying, sabotage all international attempts to get at the truth of what happened in Jenin.

Jews outside Israel now find themselves in a tightening vice: the actions of the country that was supposed to ensure their future safety are making them less safe right now. Sharon is deliberately erasing distinctions between the terms "Jew" and "Israeli", claiming he is fighting not for Israeli territory but for the survival of the Jewish people. When anti-semitism rises at least partly as a result of his actions, it is Sharon who is positioned once again to collect the political dividends.

It works. Most Jews are so frightened that they are now willing to do anything to defend Israeli policies. So at my neighbourhood synagogue, where the humble facade was badly scarred by a suspicious fire recently, the sign on the door doesn't say, "Thanks for nothing, Sharon." It says, "Support Israel - now more than ever."

There is a way out. Nothing is going to erase anti-semitism, but Jews outside and inside Israel might be a little safer if there was a campaign to distinguish between diverse Jewish positions and the actions of the Israeli state. This is where an international movement can play a crucial role. Already, alliances are being made between globalisation activists and Israeli "refuseniks" - soldiers who refuse to serve their mandatory duty in the occupied territories. The most powerful images from Saturday's protests were rabbis walking alongside Palestinians.

More needs to be done. It's easy for social justice activists to tell themselves that since Jews already have such powerful defenders in Washington and Jerusalem, anti-semitism is one battle they don't need to fight. This is a deadly error. It is precisely because anti-semitism is used and abused by the likes of Sharon that the fight against it must be reclaimed.

When anti-semitism is no longer treated as Jewish business, to be taken care of by Israel and the rightwing Zionist lobby, Sharon is robbed of his most effective weapon in the indefensible and increasingly brutal occupation. And as an extra bonus, whenever hatred of Jews diminishes, the likes of Jean-Marie Le Pen shrink right down with it. "

Friday February 10, 2012, 6:22 am
That's your opinion Margaret, and those you share it with. My opinion (and those I share my opinion with) have an opposite opinion to yours, whether you like it or not or whether you can deal with it or not.

I quote: "The BDS movement is mistaken in its focus on a single party, Israel, as the impediment to peace. Israel has repeatedly expressed its willingness to live peacefully alongside a Palestinian state. Since the rebirth of a Jewish state in 1948, Israel's democratic governments from across the political spectrum have repeatedly demonstrated an intent to make painful compromises in the interest of a peaceful resolution of this conflict, including recognition of a Palestinian Arab homeland for those descended from Arabs displaced during prior conflicts.

Reciprocal recognition of Israel as the homeland of the Jews has yet to occur. Many Jewish Israelis, like their Arab neighbors, are descended from families native to the Middle East, but displaced by conflict.[4] Prior to Israel's independence, the area's Jews were often considered to be "Palestinians".[5]

BDS is contrary to the search for peace since it represents a form of misguided economic warfare. It is directly contrary to decades of agreements between Israeli and Arab Palestinians, in which both sides pledged to negotiate a peaceful settlement and committed to a two state solution.

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) lists well over a hundred border disputes between nations.[6]Israel's dispute with the Arabs over eventual boundaries is not unique, nor is this conflict the most violent. Focusing on Israel for punitive action is unjustified and counterproductive.

SPME urges those committed to peace and justice for the people of a region which has had too much war and violence to join with us in rejecting the politics of hatred that the BDS movement represents."

For Further Information Contact:

Judith S. Jacobson, Columbia University
Co-President Pro Tem, Vice President, Internal Relations, SPME

Stanley Dubinsky, University of South Carolina
Co-President Pro Tem, Vice President, External Relations, SPME

Asaf Romirowsky, Acting Executive Director, SPME

[1]Academically affiliated readers are invited to contact SPME to learn how they can join us in the search for Middle East peace at http://spme.net/

[4]http://www.forward.com/articles/126560/

[5]http://goo.gl/dhhNV

[6]https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2070.html

Friday February 10, 2012, 7:53 am
Oh, PS Margaret:

If you expected me to be a feminist .. dream on ..

I'm happy simply being me in my natural female skin .. and I don't care what you or any person has to say about it ..

If who I am upsets you .. deal with it .. not my problem ..

Friday February 10, 2012, 5:21 pm
Well Alexandra, when did I demand you to be a feminist. What I was talking about wasn't feminism, but quitting the doe-eyed, scatterbrained, confused Blanche Dubois. I am just waiting for "I depend on the kindness of strangers" and then all hell can break out. This is what I object to, a women doesn't have to act like she is Barbie, and that has nothing to do with feminism.

You now have posted an article about BDS in defense of what? I didn't even mention BDS, so how in the world does that in anyway support what you have posted and I have refuted. I actually am not a big bsd'er and in fact find that it effects those who are marginalized to begin with, only marginalizing them further. As for academic boycotts, I don't believe that academics should be punished for protest against the Israeli government. It divides rather than it unites. It is dialogue rather than violence which will find an equitable solution to the conflict. Thus, an academic boycott only closes the channels of communication and also, again, punishes academics collectively.

As for opinion, Alexandra. This has come up before. I think you confuse what opinion is and what fact is. I do express opinion, but it is an opinion which is based upon fact. What pisses me off about your happy little clan is that you base your opinion on denial of facts. It is the lack of facts or the delusional tales you think are facts is what I have a problem with. What you conclude from those facts is your opinon which you are entitled to. Doesn't mean I agree with it, but if it is built on a solid foundation and your conclusions are what differs, so be it. If you look at Israeli historians, you will find that their facts aren't what diverges, it is what they conclude to, their subjective and moral ideology that differs. You have Morris (Zionist) or Shlomo Ben Ami (Zionist), as well as Norman Finkelstein (not a Zionist) and they all factually agree. It is their moral and subjective conclusions which differ. Morris believes that they should have finished the job in 1948 using a comparative to the Americans and the First People, arguing that look at what America did and what a great country it has become. His subjective and moral concluson is that America hasn't been penalized for their treatment when they colonialized America, so why not Israel. This is where I would disagree with him, because when America behaved in a similar fashion, this was a common practice. When Israel became into existence, colonialism was no longer considered a common practice. Since the time when the Americans participated in this brutal treatment of another people, the world has evolved and now demands justice, equality, equity and justice. Ben Ami's argument, even though both staunch Zionists, concludes that all countries have been born in sin and Israel is no exception. He does though recognize that without a viable settlement in the way of a two-state solution, Israel will be in trouble. Finkelstein, also agreeing on the same set of facts as the others, finds that all of this, right from the beginning is morally and ethically wrong. Although, he does not demand for a return to a pre-Israel Palestine, he is outraged by the moral and ethical conquences of the actions taken in order to create this State. He also supported a two-state solutions based on a legal settlement based on International law. So, all agree on facts, but very different opinion. So Alexandra, my problem with you is not about opinion, even though I am sure that if yours was based on fact, I would differ with your subjective and moral conclusions. I can see that when you support Sharon's outrageous and extremist statements and to claim that these are moral, is unbelievably skewed. How can you get morality out of grandstanding and boasting about putting other people, especially Jewish people in harm's way? Obviously your moral bar isn't very high. I find that people who constantly state of their high moral position and standards often are guilty of moral turpitude.

You are quoting Judith Jacobson as if she is some authority on the Israeli Palestinian conflict. Jacobson is a PhD of Epidemiology. She is a professor of the Mailman School of Public Health. She is not a historian nor a research on the Middle East. She is a co-founder of an organizaton which she created and it is reported that she seems to have bias towards Israel. I can't even say if she is biased or not, I haven't heard her speak. She hasn't published in peer reviewed journals, as she isn't a researcher on the topic. Thus, I cannot say that I have read her work, because I haven't found anything in ME Journals and Publications.

Stanley Dubinsky is a PhD'r in the Linguistics Program at University of South Carolina. Not one publication or journal regarding the conflict.

Asaf Romirowsky is a fellow at the, this is just too unbelievable, the Middle East Forum. Is serves in the IDF reserves as an liaision officer and is working on a PhD at King's College. He has published nothing, except letters to the editor and New York Post, Washington Times, New York Sun and The Jewish Exponent.

I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Judith and Stanley, but to put someone whose displine is Middle East centered, but has published nothing other than the Middle East Forum (Good old Daniel Pipes). He has two Masters, but nothing published of note to date. We have undergrads who have been published (rare, but does happen) in peer reviewed journals and this joker hasn't published anything except for Daniel Pipes and Letters to the Editor.

Still, I have no idea why you would post an article concerning BDS which I am not a big fan of by two academics whose discipline has nothing to do with the conflict. It seems that your reason to post this was because they are Jewish? There is nothing in their academic professional development which would lead them to any superior knowledge on the topic (other than you weighting their Jewishness and academic status, which has absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing) superceding publications written by academics whose discipline is the conflict. Your logic regarding this, would equate to an article on asthma written by Normal Finkelstein given more weight than an article on asthma written by Judith Jacobson.

As for Asaf Romirowsky, I cannot take anyone who writes or works for the Middle East Forum seriously, especially one who hasn't published anything.

Alexandra - also there is nothing about you upsets me. You aren't significant enough nor have you shown any academic rigor (or anything academic for that matter) for me to get upset. Your posts actually only further isolate Israel, as when people read this, it confirms everything they suspect.

Saturday February 11, 2012, 1:34 am
Margaret M: "Still, I have no idea why you would post an article concerning BDS"

The same reason you posted the piece about Sharon ([ Amos Oz: In the Land of Israel, translated by Maurie Goldberg-Bartura, 1st Vintage Books Edition, New York, 1984])

Tuesday February 14, 2012, 9:44 pm
Alexandra: I think it was clear why I posted the Sharon article and actually stated why I posted it:

"This lovely piece below is Ariel Sharon in an interview with Amoz Oz in 1984, who later became Prime Minister. And this is what you want to support and claim to be the country of the highest moral order? "