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Fort Hood Carnage Blamed On Homegrown Radical Islamic Extremism


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: radical-Islam, Islam, homegrown-terrorism, terrorism, u.s., UnitedStates, America, americans, news, war, conflict, ideology, national-security, murder, FortHood, death, violence, yemen, middle-east, FBI, USA, military, Army, intelligence )

SirRobert
- 14 days ago - nydailynews.com
U.S. intelligence authorities intercepted e-mails between Maj. Nidal Malik (Hasan) and a radical Islamic cleric based in Yemen, however the FBI and Army took no action. This is the latest in a series of dots 'not' being connected at U.S. peril.
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Just Carole (420)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 6:13 am
 
Brasscheck TV has been questioning the whole incident, and they make some valid points:
 
"It seems like in the years leading up to whatever it was that happened at Fort Hood on November 5, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan was one busy guy.
 
He made it a point to attend a mosque run by a notorious, high profile imam with an overly anti-American philosophy.
 
He encouraged soldiers to desert.
 
He was loud and outspoken about his opposition to the war.
 
We're not some obscure immigrant just off the boat working at a gas station in Bayonne. NJ.
 
This was a freakin' major in the US army... in wartime...who was given the job of providing psychological counseling to troops.
 
Did the Army have a problem with any this?
 
No, not at all.
 
The Army is a liberal institution in the best sense of that word and encourages a wide diversity of opinion on its policies.
 
Live and let live. Every man is entitled to his own opinion, right?
 
Any readers ever been in the armed forces?
 
How long do you think you'd have lasted if you carried on this way?
 
For example, can you imagine a Marine walking around base, spouting Marxism and quoting Lenin at the height of the Cold War being given a top security clearance? Ridicu...
 
Ooops. I just described Lee Harvey Oswald.
 
(Pay no attention to the foot high stacks of documents the CIA *still* refuses to release about him.)
 
But hey, that's all "conspiracy" stuff and that's for kooks.
 
The US military has better things to do while it protects the country than keep tabs on a very publicly unbalanced officer who is very publicly against the war.
 
...On the other hand, if you're a *civilian* and not some nut in the making and you're interested in peace, watch out.
 
The resources for keeping track of you are boundless."
 
Video: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/353.html
 

SirRobert THE FIFTH KNIGHT (270)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 7:22 am
Thank you Just C., and here is another related article : >>>>

Fort Hood Radical Associations Were No Secret - Washington Examiner


Signature: THE FIFTH KNIGHT'S NEWS
 

Chaz Gaily Berlusconi (249)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 8:57 am
Thannxxx... looks like the radical islamists are in it for the long haul... in that they can afford to send them in for these long periods of time.. just as any other plan it has taken years to finalise... it is about time the military did their homework... then only after that will the final dots be able to give them a defined picture...
 

Catherine Turley (45)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 11:02 am
was just on a thread the other day where everyone was blaming ptsd. i don't see why we can't be honest and defend the majority of law-abiding american muslims at the same time.
 

Tierney G. (299)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 11:03 am
They said this was going to happen I am not surprised we have many of our own radical extremist in this country right now plotting various things to gain full control. This whole world is in big trouble. I feel it in my bones have been for a while now. Could this be armagedden?
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 11:18 am
An eye for an eye. Are we so arrogant here in the states we think we are exempt from the natural order of battle? Right or wrong, as I will not go there, we reap what we sow. I sure hope not Tierney, but I feel it also. "They're here"
 

Dar D. (280)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 11:35 am
I am holding back from any conclusions, and I really don't think we are going to get the full truth of "why" this happened. He was a psychaitrist and well-educated in mental health to know the signs of "when to get help.."

Killing unarmed human-beings has nothing to do with PEACE, in my humble opinion. Something isn't jiving in the reports being released with this terrible tragedy. There are many options to "oppose" war without killing people...much love and peace...namaste
 

Ralph X. (68)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 11:39 am
Don't forget that the (controlled) media can tell us whatever they think is good for people to believe. When I found out that the biggest number of people who won the Green Card lottery to immigrate to the US were Muslims it make me think. Why is this and what for. Now, this story the way it is shown now, is good to support and promote the already existing anti Muslim tendency in the US and Europe. We do not know the real story and the background except we believe every word from the public media. But we can use our brain and think and see for whom the whole thing brings support. The war-tired masses need to be heated up and convinced about the 'good', needed and right war that needs more troops to be sent to Afghanistan.
 

mary f. (73)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 12:59 pm
thats so scarey i feel so sorry for the poor soldiers
 

Rhonda Maness (450)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:30 pm
Thank You, Sir Robert!
 

SirRobert THE FIFTH KNIGHT (270)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:49 pm
* Related Article : >>>>

"Muslim U.S. Army Psychiatrist Displayed Suspicious Interest In How Muslim Soldiers Might Think And Feel" - War In Context
 

Ch Hardy (18)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 1:54 pm
I have a question - what could the army have done? I mean this guy is an American citizen - he has the same rights as the rest of us - he can say what he likes, freedome of speech - I think the only person you can't make verbal threats at is our President - anyone else you can - SO if the ARMY would have given this guy a dishonorable discharge b/c there not going to discharge someone just because he doesnt want to be in the army anymore - if they would have given him a dishonorable discharge they would have been sued. It was a no win situation for the army...

This man took tax payer money & got educated in the army - and then used that against us. yes the terrorists are here & its really sad that it has taken something like this to show everyone.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 2:21 pm
I liked that article Sir Robert, sounds like what our government does to it's sheeple, you know, we are unpatriotic if we don't support the wars they impose on us, or we will all die. It's more innocent muslims than terrorists being killed over there, by 10's of thousands. Making it not to hard for one to be persuaded into joining any organized militarized organization that promotes saving ones own kind, the same kind of insanity we march to. Of course I am not for it, just saying I can open my mind enough to get the picture. Why they just didn't let him go I'll never understand, no matter the reasoning, the military should not oppress it's people against their will under the circumstances of a bloody war. That is dangerous to all serving with them.
 

Birdie P. (18)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 3:29 pm
Political correctness is very expensive to us.

Thank you Sir Robert!

 

stan b. (40)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 4:34 pm
Quite right Birdie. Here's an article from today's Melbourne Herald Sun. We are all going to pay a very high price for P.C.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/we-demand-all-the-facts/story-e6frfhqf-1225796238307
 

NE L. (52)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 6:45 pm
He should have been given a medical discharge and fully investigated. Had his superiors not been afraid of the PC police he would have been. This was clearly an act of terrorism.
 

Emagin Peace (16)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 9:49 pm
There is currently a program running on PBS where veterans from Afgan, Iraq, Viet Nam talk openly- sharing the horrific things they did to innocent people. It was not uncommon, is not uncommon, for US troops to gun down groups of innocent people and ask questions later.
How can the grief of those victims families be any less than the families of Fort Hood? This may have been, in the final analysis, the Dr.s point.
 

stan b. (40)
Tuesday November 10, 2009, 11:59 pm
Extremely questionable logic Emagin. Two wrongs NEVER make a right.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 11, 2009, 5:06 am
Noted and thank you.

Bizarre situation, or is it?

Nick J Davis
Toronto ON Canada
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 11, 2009, 5:53 am
I believe two wrongs never make a right. Then perhaps, we should have taken the high road on that wisdom and never sought to get even after 911. Just a thought.
 

Casey Reed (36)
Wednesday November 11, 2009, 8:17 am
I consider Hasan's action to be a reflection on the ridiculous U.S. culture that put him there. Full of conflicts and contradictions was his act, even if under the influence of a anti-depressant drug regime, which should be seen as a part of the crime if true, but Hasan is an American. He reflects the racist, religiously myopic, ethnocentric, and rigid American Culture.

Only ditto head deniers would deny the connections between his advanced education, being a Muslim, trying to leave the military or not be deployed, and his views that empathized with suicide bombers to understand why people do these things. It is a CRY FOR HELP ! ! A CRY FOR STUPID AMERICANS TO STOP BEING SO STUPID ! But stupid rigid regimes don't change, they just do stupid things, such as the Iraq War and the Afghanistan War to act all macho and shit about 9/11... Stupid is as stupid does, right !

Ignoring the conflictual situation all Americans are in because of bush&co lying about the reasons to go to war and creating a motive for ONE BILLION MUSLIMS TO HATE U.S. is pretty stupid, but they like being stupid so they keep denying that the war is wrong and unjustifiable. What if Hasan believed the U.S. was killing his family with our stupid war? What if Hasan believed we were going to make him deny his own identity as a Muslim and he would have to take part in these illegal and immoral wars?? What if Hasan was right to believe what he thought and EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG?????????

He may be in such conflict knowing he was right to feel and believe he did that he would be ready to act out these contradictions and conflicts by screaming I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN and I AM AN ENEMY OF AMERICAN STUPID Wars, by acting like an enemy and killing the enemy of Muslims: American soldiers !!!

This act speaks for itself on an historical level and reflects on all of US that we sit here in our Pleasure Bubbles voicing decent or approval while the Military Industrial Complex runs our government and millions are dying or suffering for corporate profits.

Deny the act is a reflection on US all, but 13 people are still dead, and 28 wounded while thousands of US soldiers have died in the war and we keep on denying the stupidity and moral criminal wrong that the war is. Hasan reflects that in his act. His act that is wrong speaks to US about what we are doing wrong, if you DON'T DENY the obvious wrong the bush&co and all their American supporters are guilty of too.

Hasan is the mirror of US actions. We are mass murderers and have murdered and wounded millions for corporate profits, not democracy, not even 9/11, but greed and avarice of Corporate America, Haliburton, Exxxxxon, and other materialist whores. Hasan's acts are a reflection of the corporate power we can all be proud of. Do you feel the pride, the glory to god and kuntry? Do you feel it?

The real patriot and realist feels shame and is hurt by all who have died for greed and avarice and wants to remove greed and avarice from the motives for US actions, wars, and start living in the present without archaic religious fantasy based cartoon logical excuses for our existence, mistakes, and crimes.
 

Burtram C. (0)
Wednesday November 11, 2009, 10:03 am
Well Casey Reed, I think that when YOU confess to being a "mass murderer" in your lengthy posting please do not include the rest of us by saying "WE". I am NO mass murderer nor likely are the others reading these posts. If you have a lot of self guilt don't include US in it. The "Military Industrial complex is running our government" ? Ha hah, wow, another CONSPIRACY, wooooo! Do you also believe that there are secret underground alien bases in New Mexico? No, OBAMA (remember, YOU voted for him!!) is running our government, but obviously not in ways to your liking. As he said after the election "I won". IT IS NOT OUR FAULT that Obama has CHOSEN to NOT end any of the wars we are involved in despite a MAJORITY in Congress to do any thing he pleases, (like stop BOTh wars TOMORROW) and even though he said he would. I guess to him, politics is more important than people's lives. In fact, because YOU voted for him, it is YOUR fault! So I guess you ARE mass murderer as you say. BUt we aren't.
 

Rebecca F. (131)
Wednesday November 11, 2009, 3:37 pm
People crack up sometimes when faces with a seemingly dichotomy. To tag this guy as a poster boy for what the U.S. has done is painting the picture with a ginormous brush.

Luckily, there are also many Muslims out there that denounce the extreme acts and seek peace, as the Muslim religion in general is supposed to be "the religion of peace."

See the videos of Muslim American peace marches for yourself on Youtube. One for you to copy and paste:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Indc7zaivh0&feature=related
 

Aletta Kraan (31)
Wednesday November 11, 2009, 3:50 pm
Noted , thanks !
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 11, 2009, 5:48 pm
Almost all religions imaginable have wonderful people as the majority. But just about ALL have sub brands of extremists, hypocrites, and terrorists. We call all say we would be peaceful if under attack, but have we, then why were our soilders sent to kill almost immediately after 911 and haven't stopped yet? Why do they agree to go, because they are peaceful, protecting the mass from 1000's of miles away? Why are by the 100's of thousands good Muslims being staughtered versus "the bad guys"? Who is supposed to protect them, us who are murdering them? Kinda twisted to me, I don't buy it. Personally the majority of citizens in all countries are peaceful. But it takes more than one to war, where do they come from, which cup of cooliade did they drink from, what lie are they believing? Are we all the same? Can all of us actually stand idley by why are brothers and sisters are being returned to the earth much to early one by one brutally? I don't know what would push me over the deep end under those extremes. Maybe some day I'll find out when bullets and bombs come to my town or the land I was born and family where friends still reside.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 11, 2009, 5:51 pm
Correction -where family and friend still reside.
 

Casey Reed (36)
Thursday November 12, 2009, 5:52 pm
We is generic idiot
 

stan b. (40)
Friday November 13, 2009, 1:15 am
Casey Reed. " We " might well be generic. " Idiot " is definitely offensive.
 

marilyn s. (99)
Friday November 13, 2009, 1:34 pm
Thanks Sir Robert for this article...and what a special and insightful one it is!!!

Frankly Casey, I have no reply to your lenghty comment because I choose not to take it into my brain!

This person in my opinion was an accident ready to happen...the fact that he hurt so many people and that the Presdient actually got on T.V to address the families totally upset me.

Super article!!!

Dar and Sir Robert, can't send another Star, but you both deserve a ton of them for your comments and for getting this out there.

Like I said before the United States is under attack.

Who would of DREAMED in thee 1950's that this would of ever have happened...totally upset with what is going on and guys we are in deep do do!!!
 

NE L. (52)
Friday November 13, 2009, 1:47 pm
I agree Marilyn, except this was no accident. It was planned. He is without a doubt a terrorist. He killed 14 innocent people and he must pay.
 

marilyn s. (99)
Friday November 13, 2009, 2:15 pm
NE...TOTALLY agree, we have way to many Nut cases here...
 

Casey Reed (36)
Friday November 13, 2009, 9:49 pm
Red neck right wing palin and repusivcan spam, spam, spam, spam

Don't bother to read it will hurt your brain and you might scare yourself to find out who is the nut case... Bush&co War Criminals are always going to deepen their shame by not recognizing there is a world out there and they are not the center of the universe. That is definitely offensive to the entire world... But that is the point with conservatives, they don't care who their supremacy and arrogance offends.

Monkey brains have a hard time being humble. I know it took me a while, but with the stupidity of the Vietnam war and hate for Native Americans, Jews and African Americans, I knew I had to be wrong about a lot of things because the people who thought their war against other people was justified were crazy and dangerous in their righteousness and ignorance of how bad and dysfunctional they are. I am the same species, but the conservatives in America are real slow and can not see the psychological reflections of themselves or the pain and dysfunction they dump like raw sewage on the world.

Yep, conservatives have a hard time determining shinola from their own thoughts when it comes to critical thinking and that is real offensive to live with. When you travel to other countries in the world, the U.S. is the biggest IDIOT in the world community, especially the people who supported bush&co. Anybody who believes an idiot must be a bigger idiot that the idiot that lies and makes no sense to the rest of the world. Yes WE are all War Criminals and IDIOTS..

Recognizing what the problem is is the first step to finding a solution.
 

marilyn s. (99)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 8:09 am
Casey...Franky, not going to get into this one with you...will just say I will agree to disagree with you period!
 

Pete Conrads (89)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 6:14 pm
My question is " Why do our soldiers remain unarmed on an American base? We are the only Military in the world to disarm "off Duty" personal...... if those soldiers are good enough to carry 24/7 in the sand box, why not here in the states?

That brave policewoman should not had to be the only one standing tall against an armed individual shooting two pistols indescriminately at unarmed human beings.

When I was in the service, the enemy could always count on me carrying an unloaded rifle and pistol, ammo safely buttoned up on my hip.

Only in the Gulf did I carry loaded weapons, one (M-60) which I had never been trained on (er...theres the book) huh...?
 

NE L. (52)
Saturday November 14, 2009, 6:52 pm
Because in 1993, upon taking office, President Bill Clinton imposed regulations that forbid military personnel from carrying personal firearms on base and make it nearly impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers. Generally, only military police carry firearms on base.

In other words, as absurd as it may seem, Fort Hood, home of the heavily armed 1st Cavalry Division, is practically a "gun free" zone. The base now joins an infamous list of such "gun free" zones in which murderers were left alone with their guns, free to do their worst -- including Columbine High School, Virginia Tech University and Westroads Mall in Omaha, Nebraska, among others. According to The Washington Times, "All the public shootings in the United States in which more than three people have been killed have occurred in places where concealed handguns have been banned."
 

Just Carole (420)
Sunday November 15, 2009, 12:26 pm

Wow . . . Thanks for that information, NE! (I was completely unaware of those restrictions before.)
 

Sara R. (0)
Tuesday November 17, 2009, 2:03 am
Army Intelligence appears to be an oxymoron. How incompetent do you get? Billions of dollars spent and fear of political correctness allowed this massacre? Shameful stupidity in place of intelligent action makes this country look like a pack of idiots. Of course we could fight our awful feelings by buying all Muslims a Coke and teaching them to sing in perfect harmony. The only harmony for a jihidast is infidel blood flow. Do the warm and fuzzy liberals get that, yet? I doubt it.

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