Tuesday September 6, 2011, 3:24 am
One great failure if the Democratic Party has been their unwillingness to hold Republican leaders responsible for torture. I understand their desire to move forward to meet American’s needs, rather than become involved in an all consuming fight over this, but that is no excuse. Our Constitution makes ratified treaties US law, and the UN Convention Against Torture requires us to investigate and prosecute torture. Instead, we have left our dirty laundry for Europe.
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 4:13 am
The failure of the Democratic party has more to do with not being enabled to find an ideal or principle that they have not already compromised. That being the case, it is then more difficult to punish the opposing party for being just like you.
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 5:14 am
Good. We (the US) did this, so OWN it, and put the blame wherever it belongs, and let the catds fall as they may.
One hopeful outcome is that Bush, Cheney and some of their posse may actually feel some real heat..i don't really care how bad they get..they gave much worse!
And if the international community wants to lead the charge..have at it!
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 7:56 am
The only explanation for the democrats seemingly sleeping on the job are the compromising pictures they probably have of them, or the mythic "secret government" which is probably connected to that, tying their hands from doing anything against them. Plus, don't forget the corporations with their sell-outs, who are also in the democratic party. Its an ugly picture facing all of us, and we are watching a huge house of cards collapsing all around us. We have to allow our neighbors, the Europeans and world community to help.
I would urge the international community to press our government to expose Cheney/Bush as criminals and put them on trial for war crimes, and also to release information regarding the truth of so many things that people are not aware of. God bless Assange----he is a hero.
In unity, then, we can overcome all the oppressions they have been imposing on us and which they are stepping up at this time, to completely overwhelm us. Walk away fearlessly from all the institutions that have bound us, including organized religion. God is within you, and in community of like-hearted souls who come together to bring light to one another. Who needs a sickeningly wealthy vatican that has been connected so many times to so many crimes, like pedophilia, for example.
The only way we will win is by uniting, and walking together, fearlessly, as MLK did, and by feeding the hungry, sharing ourselves with our neighbors, and boycotting all the media, the corporate crap like Pepsi and Dixie ware---these are killing us and polluting our world.
We must also speak out, fearlessly, together against the blatant insanity.
We must unite against this force of oppression, now! Democrat and republicans, who cares, just come together as One nation of human beings against the evil darkness of oppression!
1. take out the trash
2. clean the house
3. live free
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 1:03 pm
"One great failure if the Democratic Party has been their unwillingness to hold Republican leaders responsible for torture." Moving Forward is NO Excuse, mainly because NO ONE can Move Forward when Criminals are allowed Immunity & the Practice is On-Going! A couple of low-level enlisted people paid their prices, but Bu$h Leaguers are still free & Obama cannot say "We Don't Torture" because WE Still DO.
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 3:16 pm
I never thought it should be the job of the Democratic party to punish the Republicans for their moral shortcomings. The Republican leadership should be of enough moral fibre to do that themselves. If they do not then they are simply a reflection of the people who elect them to office.
Same applies for Republicans punishing Democrats.
Plenty of belly aching about low moral conscience in government but no voting habits I can see that reflect a different trend.
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 6:04 pm
Turning our back on what happened makes us part of the problem. Too much turning the other cheek when we don't like what has happened. Why the hell not charge the thugs in the Bush Admin for the torture? And now we have the arrogant Cheney saying he wouldn't change a thing, wouldn't change the torture! All human dignity is lost when we treat others like that but coming from Bush/Cheney, I am not surprised. They got away with it and I only hope the international community takes this on because we as a country did not. Does this not put our own men out there to be treated in a like manner?
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 9:05 pm
There's a good possibility that many of those who were tortured on the mere suspicion of being involved in terrorist activities were as innocent as those who died as a result of the attack on the twin towers. Two wrongs don't necessarily make a right. And I'm sure that many of the victims' families would be insulted by the inference that they would approve of, or even condone, the torture of an innocent person.
Wednesday September 7, 2011, 6:46 am
"There's a good possibility that many of those who were tortured on the mere suspicion of being involved in terrorist activities were as innocent as those who died as a result of the attack on the twin towers."
How did you arrive at that conclusion? You must have little if any regard for our intellegence agencies. And you must have amazing inside knowledge.
Wednesday September 7, 2011, 10:47 am
Source: THE TELEGRAPH, Wednesday 07 September 2011
WIKILEAKS: GUANTANAMO BAY TERRORIST SECRETS REVEALED
By Christopher Hope, Robert Winnett, Holly Watt and Heidi Blake
"Guantanamo Bay has been used to incarcerate dozens of terrorists who have admitted plotting terrifying attacks against the West – while imprisoning more than 150 totally innocent people, top-secret files disclose."
From the same article, in further explanation of the 150 innocent prisoners:
"At least a further 150 people are innocent Afghans or Pakistanis, including farmers, chefs and drivers who were rounded up or even sold to US forces and transferred across the world. In the top-secret documents, senior US commanders conclude that in dozens of cases there is “no reason recorded for transfer.”
People "sold" to the US and transferred across the world with "no reason recorded for the transfer"??? And this came from top-secret military documents.
Thursday September 8, 2011, 12:38 am
Phyllis — “Cheney will most likely die before he comes before any earthly court–So him we will leave him to Heaven”
I agree with your comment but I somehow think it won’t be Heaven. It’ll be somewhere a whole lot hotter — think HELL!
If Mr Obama won’t prosecute Baby Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al, can an American citizen, a private citizen approach the World Court at the Hague to ask for help in getting this started? I just don’t know. It would take money, but the first question is, can it be done?
Thursday September 8, 2011, 2:14 am
Ahab, thanks for the link. There is very interesting content there and in related material from Democracy Now! In questioning by Matt Lauer, Bush is so evasive . . . or is it that he is just stupid? Maybe he needs his puppetmaster Cheney there to help him!