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Where Are the Calls for Personhood?

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TomCat S (129)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 12:59 am
To clarify from the start, I am not an advocate of personhood, the notion that a fertilized egg has all the rights as a citizen after birth. I have opposed the failed Republican attempts to amend the constitutions of Colorado and Mississippi. This article is a demonstration of Republican hypocrisy, not a call for personhood. Republicans have been fast to accuse abortionists and pregnant women whose drug abuse caused miscarriages of murder and call for their prosecution. But I have yet to hear the first call for personhood over the miscarriage of Jennifer Fox.

P A (117)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 1:30 am
Completely agree TomCat.

Marco C (31)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 2:50 am
Good point Tom.

Yet another glaring example of the flawed logic and inconsistantcies in the palate of the religious right wing malignant thought / value pathology.

We have our own alive and well American version of the Taliban, our very own religious right. On the whole. they are a very tiresome lot that never seems to go away, not dissimilar to a persistant foot fungus.

Carol H (229)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 3:03 am
noted, thanks Tom

Ellen m (215)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 7:00 am
I'm going with TWM on this one.
I posted to this on Occupy@care2 with caution being stressed, and no spin as the repugbugs would have done, and recieved very little comment.
Now the floodgates holding back opinions and comments should open as they have already done here in Seattle.
So my reply is to the cop.
We saw you do it, you know you did it, and god help you try to live with it.
On second thought, no. i'm no longer that forgiving.
May you wrestle with this, hopefully it will haunt you, for at least as long as it does Jennifer. Hopefully longer.
Without Gods help.

patricia lasek (317)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 8:03 am
If this is true, everyone should be crying “bloody murder!”

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 8:39 am
ye my forgiveness quota is all used up for the republican party and the cops that are violently trying to silence us.

Brittany D (28)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 10:08 am
The Republicans would probably say she should not have been there to begin with. How heartless they are. That poor girl. She lost her baby.

Dotti L (85)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 10:30 am
@ Ellen, tried to send you a star, too soon. Tom, I am not an advocate ot Personhood either. Good article.

Mary T (178)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 11:36 am
All the police that are using pepper spray on these people are sorry excuses for humans, This is a chemical weapon that is being used on these protesters, Like the 84 year old woman that was sprayed with this do these police have no heart, If the republicans had their way they would most likely charge this young lady with a crime for losing her baby, What hypocrisy, And yes where is the outrage about this.

Terrie Williams (798)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 11:50 am
Ditto on what Ellen said! I too no longer have any compassion left for the right, the far right, the reichwing or the American Taliban. So, do ya hear that......that deafening sound of .... silence. Telling don't you think.

Know thy enemy.

lee e (114)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 12:39 pm
Perhaps there will be a manslaughter charge brought up - how ironic this should happen on my first visit to my grand daughter in Seattle! Hope to visit the site of the crime!

Roseann d (178)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 1:00 pm
The GOP doesn't give a sh*t about the's just a manipulation tactic to get extremists to vote for them because no one else will. To vote for the GOP, you are either uber-wealthy or uber-stupid....for the Uber-Stoops, it's a vote to slit their own throats.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 1:06 pm
I was just saying, about Wyden filibustering net censorship. There ARE reps that will fight for your Rights, Freedom and Liberty. They're called Democrats.

Marianne C (168)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 2:24 pm
Good points, Tom, and I couldn't agree more. The GOP and the entire of the right-wing anti-choice movement has made it abundantly clear for decades that they care nothing about actual children, or about pregnant women. Their focus on the fetus by design ignores the woman, denigrates her humanity, abrogates her rights, and deliberately reduces the entire concept of person-hood to the right of an unwanted sperm to invade a resisting body and attack an egg.

Now we have an example of their real agenda: to destroy what they cannot control through tyranny.

The tyrants of the past are not remembered kindly in history, and neither will the right wing tyrants of today. Somewhere, down the corridors of time, the echo of ten thousand voices shouting, "I am Spartacus!" to the murderous tyrants of Rome still sounds. Courage and sacrifice live on; tyranny tends to die a nasty death about every generation or so.

My best wishes to Jennifer for a speedy and complete recovery, and for better things to come in this holiday season.

Anna Borsey (66)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 3:15 pm
I am not a US resident, not a Christian, not a right-wing voter but I want to add my contribution.

I fail to see how a clump of cells can be granted legal protection. Heavens above! It is first a zygote, then an embryo. It is only a baby once it is born! An embryo, a zygote is in a sense a parasitic entity as it draws all of its nourishment from its host, the pregnant woman. It has NO independent existence!

What IS the matter with all these Republican fundamentalist Christians? Taliban indeed!

Yvonne White (229)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 3:31 pm
RepubliCONs don't care about living children, and only Pretend to care about the unborn - but not enough to support pre-natal care or WIC, etc. Even the redneck hicks figured out if they made fetus' "people" that they'd be committing homicide when they beat their women into a miscarraiges..:(

Charlene Rush (2)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 3:38 pm
The 'fun' is just beginning.......and I use the term 'fun' very loosely. Whenever the police over-step the boundries of reasonable response, disaster usually follows.
Generally speaking, we are a litigious society and bring lawsuits for perfectly 'silly' reasons; however, in this case, if it can be proven, that police brutality caused her miscarriage, she should go after them post haste.
The anti-choice people are conspiculously absent. Perhaps, only certain fetuses should be saved

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 4:37 pm
According to quantum physics, everything is alive and conscious.

Don't throw away that teddy bear!

David C (133)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 5:32 pm
not an advocate of fetal can something that is not viable (able to live without being inside mom's womb before about 24 weeks gestational age) be a being on its own???? can a fetus be an individual when so many fetuses miscarry??? does that mean G-d is a murderer since he lets these happen????

I am becoming more and more disappointed at our country where peaceful protesters are not allowed to have a voice without fear of being attacked by police......we are more than ever like many of the countries we have denounced over my lifetime.....

Susanne R (234)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 8:17 pm
Great point, Tom, and great comments!

Kamila A (141)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 8:24 pm
That's a great point. Where are the fundies when you need'em?

Lynn Squance (235)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 9:01 pm
I agree that, if the whole story is true, then the officer guilty of the over-the-top action should be charged with manslaughter at the very least. However if the story is not entirely true, at least one thing is true and that is that the pepper spraying of peaceful protesters is unconscionable. We have seen it in New York, San Diego and elsewhere (including UC Davis which is not part of OWS), indiscriminate use of pepper spray on peaceful protesters.

I agree that if the story is true, the pro-lifers should be howling mad. But they're nowhere to be found.

In any event, this is shameful.

TomCat S (129)
Wednesday November 23, 2011, 9:33 pm
I agree with everything said here with one caveat. To charge the officer with murder or manslaughter would endorse the notion of personhood. I believe the appropriate charge here is 1st degree assault.

Judy C (97)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 1:11 am
Most proponents of personhood are hypocrites. Thay are more interested in judging people than helping them.

Yvonne White (229)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 5:25 pm
Tear gas a policeman & see what YOU get charged with - these Unprovoked Attacks are Criminal!:(

TomCat S (129)
Thursday November 24, 2011, 8:40 pm
Amen to both.

pam w (139)
Friday November 25, 2011, 11:33 am
Superstitious claptrap!

The entire "personhood" issue exists because of the religious notion that a SOUL has inhabited the zygote from that moment of conception.

The "soul" concept has been debated by theists ever since they began trying to control people's lives...and it still goes on.

Otherwise, we'd look at TUMORS as "persons," because they grow, they consume energy, etc. But, since they don't have a "soul," you can't consider them truly alive.


TomCat S (129)
Friday November 25, 2011, 8:55 pm
Pam, I agree, and oddly enough, so does the Bible.

LeMoyn Salmonsen (88)
Saturday November 26, 2011, 7:21 am
You cannot currently send a star to Dave because you have done so within the last week.

Lika P (130)
Saturday December 3, 2011, 11:19 pm
I'm pushing for my uterus to have personhood, because it's a vessel for the pre-conceived.

Anyway, if they are going to push the issue, it needs to be across the board. Republicans are hypocrites.

Thing is, it's MY body. If I am willfully pregnant, no one has the right to take that away from me. Of course it's alive, my body is alive. But it's not a baby until it's viable to survive on it's own.

By the same token, if I have my own valid reasons to abort, it's MY choice to abort. It just seems as if there is not enough personal responsibility, and too much finger pointing.

I've been pregnant twice. The first I lost to an abruption. I almost died as well. The second is now going on 12. Both were wanted pregnancies. I was very ill the first time. From being there, I can assure you that no one has the right to beat a woman to miscarriage, just as much as it's wrong to force a rape victim to carry that pregnancy through.

I am pro-choice, because it should be the woman's choice, especially in grave circumstances.
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