Saturday May 19, 2012, 12:50 pm
The repercussions from the contraindications in last yearís NDAA bill still effect progressive thought and choices, so it has to be a concern that a New NDAA bill just passed the Republican-dominated House, and it has problems of itís own. Republicans have used it as a vehicle to level more of their supply-side, pseudo-Christian hate at the LGBT community. Republicans have reneged on their spending agreement. And worst of all, Republicans have reaffirmed the indefinite detention language just ruled unconstitutional.
Saturday May 19, 2012, 2:12 pm
If this bill declares that the detainees have a RIGHT to a trial, and they are not able to have a trial, then doesn't this bill enshrine in law that the US government is denying prisoners' their rights?
Saturday May 19, 2012, 9:15 pm
Of course the Senate will pass this so the President will have to veto it, then they can say he was against raises for the troops. Most of our fellow citizens have no idea what the NDAA is.
Sunday May 20, 2012, 4:37 am
I'm all for terrorists staying at Gitmo and ambivalent about allowing gay marriage on base ( I've not flip flopped like Obama on this issue and believe marriage a union between man and woman) but to get around your rhetoric, the real problem in the NDAA is the budget reneg.
When I was in the Navy, we very often were confronted with purchases made by Congress as pork for weapons systems that were antiquated and which we did not want. .g., we were stuck for years with obsolete aircraft purchases from Grumman because of the very strong (Democrat) pols from NY. This bill contains much of this and is uncalledd for. I hope Obama vetoes it but don't think it will survive the Senate or conference comm.
TC, It would be nice if we could drop the inflamatory rhetoric and argue facts like the provisions of this bill; I think we'd agree more than disagree.
Wednesday May 23, 2012, 9:01 am
Every time I see the NDAA, I think of the War Measures Act in Canada, although those same components are only one part of the NDAA. Unfortunately, that one component is what many Americans concentrate on and blame Mr Obama.
The NDAA isn't legislation. It is politics, and dirty politics for that matter. No matter what happens, Mr Obama will be labelled! The Congress has tied military pay raises in the same bill as the indefinite detention of terrorism suspects, including U.S. citizens or those captured or detained in the U.S. Additionally, the House, yet again, agreed to prohibit the transfer of military detainees from the facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to the U.S., and approved a provision reaffirming that all detainees have the right to a trial. Also this time around, there are 2 provisions regarding gay marriage --- a ban on performing gay marriages on any facility owned by the military, and protection for military chaplains from punishment if they declined to marry a gay couple. This sets up 2 sets of rules for the LGBT community --- one outside the military, and one inside the military.
So the House has passed the bill with a veto proof majority which only serves to show that the Republican/Teabaggers have no interest in the people of the US, only in trying to make Mr Obama a one term president. If the Senate does the same, I agree with TC that Mr Obama should veto it, knowing that the Congress will override his veto. But in vetoing the bill, Mr Obama MUST make very clear, in simple terms that even the low-effort thinking people, of which there are too many, can understand, what provisions he objects to and re-affirm his stance on a pay raise for the military.
Yet another display of Republican/Teabagger dysfunction and the price being exacted from the American people for Republican/Teabagger perfidy.