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Off the Cliff

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Budget, GOP Hypocrites, Media Bias, O'Donnell, Taxes, Video )

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TomCat S (129)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 8:59 am
The more I look at the situation we face today, the more convinced I am that the wisest course for Democrats and the best course for America is to jump off the fiscal cliff. Although more and more people are seeing the wisdom of that move, most of the media is acting as though those people do not exist.

Angela N (0)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 9:31 am

Terrie Williams (798)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 10:14 am
I fully intend to take the leap! Let's do it!

Beverly T (82)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 11:14 am


I would be so completely PROUD of the Democrats if they did this.
All they need to do is have the "anti-venom" bill set up and ready to go as soon as possible afterward.
If we DO NOT WIN RE-ELECTION....allllll willll be lost. The Rawmoney will LOWER the taxes FOR the RICH and throw WE THE PEOPLE under the bus.
November will determine it ALL.
Obama/Biden 2012

Sue H (7)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 11:19 am
Good article, thanks for posting.

Dotti L (85)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 11:56 am
Terrie, I will meet you at the cliff.

Joe R (190)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 1:34 pm
Definitely worth a try. The old ways don't work anymore.

Lynn Squance (235)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 2:36 pm
In the Lawrence O'Donnell clip, I thought Bartlett was good at pointing out a Republican fallacy. According to a study by the Aerospace Industries Association touted by Republicans, 2 million jobs will be lost by cuts to the defence sequester and a further 2 million from the non defence sequester. Republicans are saying that if spending is cut, then there will be job losses. This flies in the face of previous Republican assertions that spending cuts had to be made in order to create job growth. The Republicans have plainly painted themselves into a corner, apparently with no window to escape through. They want their cake and eat it too, but that can't be. This I think is humourous.

In another segment of 'Off the Cliff' with Lawrence, Senator Patty Murray, D (WA) is shown speaking to a group.

"…calls on the wealthy to pay their fair share, then I will absolutely continue the debate into 2013 rather than lock-in a long term deal this year that throws middle class families under the bus." …

"If the Bush tax cuts expire, every proposal will be a tax cut proposal, and the pledge will no longer keep Republicans boxed in and unable to compromise. if middle class families start seeing money coming out of their pay cheques next year, are Republicans really going to stand up and fight for tax cuts for the rich?" …

" I also think many Republicans are starting to realise something very important. On January 1st, if we have not gotten a deal, Grover Norquist and his pledge are no longer relevant to this conversation, …"

I really do think that the Democrats are in an excellent position to make changes for the good, and I hope they stay the course with Patty Murray's plan. The risk is, will the American voters agree with her in November? I hope so. This whole debate should also serve to further expose the obstructionism and the perfidy of the Republican/Teabaggers.

I say GO FOR IT, but then, I am a Canuck with no direct stake in the matter.

Vote Democratic!!!!! Vote Obama/Biden 2012!!!!!

Past Member (0)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 5:01 pm
Thanks for sharing.

John B (185)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 5:25 pm
Thanks TomCat and yes we should keep them on the run right out of Congress. Read and noted

Yvonne White (229)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 8:52 pm
Democrats should start asking for that RepubliCON "leap of faith"! That Christian charity begins at Home! ;) So cram that love of the masses down those rich ba$tard$ throats!:) I agree 100% Tom: "We’re faced with three basic facts. First, we cannot reduce the deficit without increasing revenue. Second, over the years, trickle down has gushed up so much over the year that the only ones who have any revenue are the super rich. Only they can afford to give back some of our money that Republican welfare for the rich has given them. Third, the only way Republicans will ever negotiate in good faith requires a figurative axe hanging over their political necks. Refusing to cave-in and letting the fiscal cliff work for us is the only strategy that fits those facts."


Jason S (50)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 9:28 pm
It a good idea, may kill off the whole idea money

Roseann d (178)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 10:00 pm
Whadeva 'bout the GOP and the Koch's Tea Party. They're increasingly insignificant on a daily basis. Moonbat apesh*t nutz crazy doesn't hold appeal for the rest of us.

Susanne R (235)
Tuesday July 24, 2012, 11:31 pm
After reading about the trillions of dollars that super-wealthy Americans have squirreled away in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands, I'm beginning to think that "trickle down" economics is actually "trickle offshore" economics. The money the rich are sitting on is doing nothing to help our economy or our unemployed. According to Wikipedia, "In the Cayman Islands, financial services generates 36% of all employment." And, with regard to Switzerland, that same source indicates that: "In 2009, the financial sector comprised 11.6% of Switzerland's GDP and employed approximately 195,000 people (136,000 of whom work in the banking sector); this represents about 5.6% of the total Swiss workforce. Furthermore, Swiss banks employ an estimated 103,000 people abroad.[13]"

So, not only are the wealthy outsourcing jobs, they're outsourcing their money and creating jobs for the foreigner bankers, financial advisors and hedge fund managers who look after it! I wouldn't want to be standing below any of these rich folk when whatever they're willing to "trickle down" starts to flow.

Carol H (229)
Wednesday July 25, 2012, 4:13 am
noted, thank you Tom

P A (117)
Wednesday July 25, 2012, 7:29 am
What is wrong with letting these tax cuts expire? They were GWB's so surely they benefit the super rich and not the middle classes or the poor? Ditch them!

JL A (281)
Wednesday July 25, 2012, 7:40 am
there have been reports that even Norquist is unhappy with the lengths some in the GOP are taking using their pledge to him as justification...

Kamila A (141)
Wednesday July 25, 2012, 11:55 am
Lets go, off the cliff!!!!!!!!

Obama will be reelected 2012, and we must take back the House. Vote Democratic, and encourage, urge and make arrangements with neighbors and friends who are either ambivalent or need voter i.d.'s to help get these done NOW. This is critical, so everyone must do their part in this drama! With teamwork and in unity, we all win!!!!

Mary T (178)
Wednesday July 25, 2012, 9:21 pm
I am ready to jump off the cliff, Thanks Tom.

Thursday July 26, 2012, 1:01 pm
Let's Jump off I do not think Obama will do any more deals

Edith B (146)
Thursday July 26, 2012, 9:20 pm
I hope the Democrats will have the courage to jump off the cliff, but I doubt they will.

TomCat S (129)
Sunday July 29, 2012, 8:28 am
Thanks all. I've been ill.
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