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Open Thread - 11/20/2012

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).

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Lynn Squance (235)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 11:24 am
Puzzle 3:49 Thankfully there was good colour contrast in the rose, otherwise this one might have been a thorny issue!

MoveOn I found the tape so distorted that I couldn't follow the first half. However here is the transcript as taken from Wikipedia:

Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger" that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

I did not know of Atwater so of course I googled him. Not a very nice picture of a human being, and certainly that is reflected in the tape. Atwater died age 40 from an aggressive brain tumour. Here is something he wrote shortly before he died:

In a February 1991 article for Life magazine, Atwater wrote:

My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood. The '80s were about acquiring acquiring wealth, power, prestige. I know. I acquired more wealth, power, and prestige than most. But you can acquire all you want and still feel empty. What power wouldn't I trade for a little more time with my family? What price wouldn't I pay for an evening with friends? It took a deadly illness to put me eye to eye with that truth, but it is a truth that the country, caught up in its ruthless ambitions and moral decay, can learn on my dime. I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul.

The Republican/Teabaggers don't seemed to have learned anything from one of their own.

LA Times I have no problem with religious displays on public land provided that all faiths are able to do it. For example, last week was Diwali, the Hindu Festival of Lights, and was marked with parades etc here in Vancouver. Should the East Asian community wish to celebrate Diwali with a display in a public space, then fine. All must have equal access.

CNN It is truly amazing how bullshit dazzles! It also amazes me how some vested interest politician sitting in his well oiled leather wing back chair, knows exactly what is going on half way around the world, better than others that are on the ground.

"Gen. Petraeus made it clear that that change was made to protect classified sources of information, not to spin it, not to politicize it and it wasn't done at the direction of the white house. That really ought to be the end of it, but it isn't. So we have to continue to go around this merry go round, but at a certain point when all the facts point in a certain direction, we're going to have to accept them as they are and move on," Schiff said.

Cartoon Now, we need one of these for Baby Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others!


Robert O (12)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 6:15 pm
Thanks Tom.

P A (117)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:21 am
I remember Atwater - thanks for reminding us TomCat - and thanks to Lynn (tried to give you another green star but the computer wouldn't let me yet, sorry) for that interesting bit about Atwater finally becoming a human being - but not until he had enabled and encouraged a lot of evil in the world, sadly. "I don't know who will lead us through the '90s, but they must be made to speak to this spiritual vacuum at the heart of American society, this tumor of the soul." If ONLY they had listened!!!

I've been saying for years that this incessant and insatiable greed for money and power had its root at the bottomless holes in their souls - but I had no idea that Atwater and I were agreeing!

On the subject of public displays of faiith - I would agree with all the main world religions having displays - but what are people going to do when the satanists demand theirs??? (Just a thought!).


James Maynard (84)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 6:41 am
Ha ha ha, Pat!!! Why they will pitch a fit, as usual.

TomCat S (128)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:32 am
Thanks everyone. Major kudos to Lynn.

Marie Therese Hanulak (30)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 1:33 pm

Robert Tomlinson (62)
Thursday November 22, 2012, 7:32 pm
You need to take care of yourself.

Sheila D (28)
Friday November 23, 2012, 8:07 pm
Thanks TomCat. Take care.

irene davis (74)
Friday November 23, 2012, 9:57 pm
thank you!
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