Friday June 21, 2013, 4:33 am
I understand that there are places in the Bible that, out of context with the rest of the Bible, make it appear that wives should be submissive to their husbands. If that’s the way a woman and her husband want to live their lives, I respect that. However Republican Supply-side pseudo-Christianity has come up with a new one that I can hardly believe, let alone respect.
You may respect that, TomCat I do not. This is a weird cult that places a man in the supreme position of being completely superior to the wife. Any woman that tolerates this treatment is not following the teaching of Jesus but rather some sick twist on the bible.
I vented most of my indignant anger about this yesterday when Jae posted this story. People can and do twist the words of the text of the bible to say any thing that feeds their cause or political/social aspirations.
Friday June 21, 2013, 7:19 am
Tried to send Kit a star but the computer wouldn't let me - so sorry! I will go and read the story - but thanks to Windows 8 behaviour that means I will have to leave C2 see PP then leave PP and look up C2 again then get back in at the front page and go all round the houses! Hi ho, hi ho, its off to .....
Friday June 21, 2013, 7:28 am
I can't copy my post from PP - but basically I said= 'Why not call a spade a spade? These two happen to be a masochist married to a sadist. They don't apply any of the other behaviour of the Old Testament (slavery, dietary rules, selling their children off in marriage without consultation) but have chosen this one bit to dwell on because it suits them. God help their children!
Friday June 21, 2013, 7:53 am
Ridiculous despite the saying "different strokes for different folks". It's just plain WRONG to hurt another human being. Jesus Christ would never have condoned this sick behavior!
Friday June 21, 2013, 8:10 am
I've studied the bible in two languages, one being the original Aramaic and it's filled with stories placing women below men...plus multiple wife syndrome.
I can quote from memory the very parts that have made me agnostic.
Whatever supply side nonsense they come up with can only be more male dominance over halfwit parables. ..ya, there were a few female superstars, but basically it's like disney except replace Jews with women.
Friday June 21, 2013, 9:16 am
"But this isn’t domestic abuse, Chelsea says. This is for Jesus. Chelsea and her husband Clint, who asked that I use only their first names, belong to a small subculture of religious couples who practice “Christian Domestic Discipline,” a lifestyle that calls for a wife to be completely submissive to her husband. "
I don't give a crap how they justify that, it IS domestic abuse. It sounds more like an S&M cult than any religion I know of. I know people have a right to live as they choose, but that doesn't mean I have to 'respect" it, I don't, I never will. Play time, fine, but pain at the 8 level is NOT play, not to me and I don't think it would be to a jury of their peers either. I recall reading, years ago, of a couple who lived full time an S&M lifestyle, both claimed it was mutual and they loved it. But a few years later, she shot and killed him and was then committed to a psychiatric facility. That is how I see this. There is NOTHING Christ like in beating anyone and no one who has ever read the gospels, including those not in the bible, could possibly think Christ would condone interpersonal violence as a way of life. These people are fooling themselves and my thinking is it will eventually end badly, very badly.
Friday June 21, 2013, 10:13 am
Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene.
Jesus respected and loved Mary so much that he left her to take charge of his teachings.
Peter stepped in, in a jealous pique, and took over "the Church".
Jesus was an early feminist and supported them, the women.
I seriously doubt that Jesus would have tolerated what the "Book of Bible" teaches today
ever since the Nicene Council voted on what would be and not be part of the Bible in the 3rd century.
And so on and on.
The "Christian Right", supply-side Jesus freaks, g o p pukes have got everything wrong in this instance.
Friday June 21, 2013, 11:24 am
Not even gonna start on this one.....because if I dew.....I will be kicked off of care2 and probably have a few blue-clad (in this town they are clad in black) 'visitors' at my door.
Friday June 21, 2013, 12:55 pm
I'm going to have to agree with many of the posters where this article is located - It sounds like this couple enjoys the S&M lifestyle and are trying to gain acceptance by calling it religiously-motivated. Hey whatever floats your boats people so long as you keep it in your bedroom and out of my face. Please mind the children too - they shouldn't be forced to grow up thinking this is normal and at the behest of some god.
Friday June 21, 2013, 12:58 pm
Maker's breath, guys. Admit this is a sex thing and make a fuller commitment to Safe, Sane and Consensual, for the sake of the both of you. I'll be the first to defend the rights of a sadomasochistic couple (especially after Britain says you're declared unable to consent if you allow someone to so much as bruise you as a sex thing, and then uses the law to target homosexuals), but if the wife herself rates this as more painful than childbirth, then I can't believe you're being Safe. What'd you do to cause that much damage with a strap?
Friday June 21, 2013, 1:31 pm
One thing that I have noticed over and over again is that the right wing evangelical pseudo Christians are always quoting the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament). Comparatively rare are their quotes from the Christian Scriptures (New Testament). If they did read the Christian Scriptures, they would be familiar with the quote from Ephesians.
And what about when the 'man' is caught doing something wrong like texting while driving? That is OK? If you listen to Pat Robertson . . . God forbid . . . if a husband looks to other than his wife for his physical comforts, then it is her fault.
CDD is nothing more than sharia law! And for all their fearmongering about sharia law, it is already in the US under the pseudo Christian banner as CDD.
Interesting too that the greatest commandment of the Bible contained in Matthew 22:36-40, is also recorded in the Hebrew Scriptures in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. I guess the pseudo Christians missed that because it does not serve their purpose.
New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
[Deut. 6:5 5 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.]
38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
[Lev. 19:18 18 “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.]
40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”"
I am not preaching here but rather trying to show that the right wing fanatical evangelical pseudo Christians make a mockery of real Christianity.
True Christianity is about love, compassion, mercy and respect. But people have too often put their own spin on it and perverted it.
Right wing fanatical evangelical pseudo Christians = Christian Taliban with their own Sharia Law aka CDD.
Friday June 21, 2013, 2:25 pm
You what makes me smile --- Jesus was a Jew he did not stop being a Jew, Jesus was not a Christian. Sorry to get back to the point if any man hits a woman then it HIS fault, and must go to jail.
Friday June 21, 2013, 8:53 pm
And in Luke you discover that the male writers did not describe Joanna and Susanna and Mary who went with them proselytizing and funded the effort as disciples although Jesus included them...lots of room to question any such division of gender roles for those who follow Jesus.
Saturday June 22, 2013, 3:46 am
Seriously Guys- when you say things like...
" I could respect it if a couple wish to live their OWN lives with the man as the dominant figure..."
The dominant figure OF the religion (or God) If referred to as HE, Jesus is a HE, and it is all about the Father and the Son. So... not even sure what you are thinking when speak the dominant figure being a man, as if there were some sort of "choice" about that in Christianity.
The translation of the Bible into English suited not only the catolic Church but also the Royal Familys to put the
fear of God into people ( most uneducatd ) church had the power to control people, don't forget they Married Kings and Queens , look at fast days, made up for a diet because people were not eating enough fish, so , The Royals contacted the clergy, working men were the "breaqd - winners" women stayed at home , for cooking , chrildren . read English History, but bulling still goes on , in Ireland from last year , abuse has risen another 55%in the homes , by the way women also bullie Men ..
Saturday June 22, 2013, 7:16 am
I can't even begin to wrap my head around this one. I realize that many people use the bible to justify their actions, but this one just boggles my mind. Tom....thans for this article.
Saturday June 22, 2013, 7:48 am
I would laugh if it wasn't so sad. Why not just call it S&M if that's what it is? Of course this is cultic type thinking. That's the problem with religion. Religion can be interpreted in so many ways to justify criminal behavior. Genocide; terracide; rape; fraud, you name it's been done and god gave his blessing.
Physical abuse is wrong. Frankly, I think that any woman who submits herself to voluntary subservience without physical abuse disrespects herself. But I believe that it is not my place to impose my own beliefs on others, so I honor beliefs with which I disagree, tolerate beliefs that are consensual in which nobody is harmed, and condemn those that re non consensual or in which someone is harmed, like CDD.
Nyack, you seemed to appreciate me honoring the Wiccan belief which I do not share, but attack me for merely tolerating an element of pseudo-Christianity, which I do not share. As an authentic Christian, I see men and women as equal partners, and I have done more than most to promote that view. Is there a difference between your intolerance of me, and the intolerance so common from Republican Supply-side pseudo-Christians?
Wednesday June 26, 2013, 1:04 pm
This is just disgusting. I think they need to put their bible in the garbage can and seek psychiatric help. There is NO excuse to physically abuse someone else especially religion. If your religion promotes physical abuse you need rethink it.