Sunday June 23, 2013, 3:10 am
The ongoing war on women keeps bringing us surprise after surprise, and this week has been no exception, in addition to new tyrannical laws in other states, Texas Republicans, after promising that their war on women was over, have attacked afresh, using stealth. This is crazy!
Before abortions were legal coat hangers were used as a method for self abortion, Candy. It should be said that this method also caused many women to bleed to death.
Looks like women are going to driven to that again.
Texas or Wisconsin and too many other states are taking the role of final decision makers about the choice of how women will live. Of course these are the same hypocrites that will call the children of those forced births, TAKERS. Those states have opted to reduce health care and food to those families desperately in need of help.
Women are fighting not just for abortion, but fighting for the right to be recognized as equal human beings able to make the important decisions for their own life, without Big Daddy State deciding for them.
Oh yeah....Remember the cries for smaller government? That seems to stop just short of a woman's body.
Give it up for women in Texas. They gave a damn good showing.
Sunday June 23, 2013, 7:10 am
I really appreciate Rachel Maddow and her coverage for she explains things really clear to the people.
The sneaky tactics that these Republicans have been doing all across the US is not within keeping of a Democracy nor a Republic. They raise their guns up to say, we want our Freedom, while at the same time chip away at others freedoms.
So in Iowa, women that may find themselves on Medicaid, which with stagnant wages, low pay for women, or can't find a job at all, this is very possible that a woman could end up on Medicaid. And if she becomes pregnant she now has a new person in her life that will determine the fate of her family and her life.
It's her Governor! Terry Branstad of Iowa. He and only he, gets to make the decision as to whether the Medicaid will cover whatever medical procedure it is that she may want or need. Not she and her Doctor, or she and her own convictions, or she and her family, nope, the Governor has now become the final say so.
Texas, with it's ad campaign of "No, there is No War on Women" hey we've all changed. We have other things to think about, than women's reproductive rights. Go home, go back to sleep......
Special Session, quick quick quick, big game is on tonight, do this fast no one will notice. Let us pass a bill that will shut down 85% of the medical facilities that cater to women and their reproductive needs.
Yes, these we want small Government Republicans can't get too Big when it is getting inside of a Woman's Reproductive Rights. Why it gets so Big and personal that your own Governor will make an individual decision on each and every case! This former Lawyer is now YOUR Doctor too and plans your family and determines if your "right" can actually be your "right".....
While we have one major crisis after another going on these, mostly men, and mostly Republicans, have chosen to make THEIR priority what takes place inside the woman's womb.
Children can be going hungry at night, schools are shutting down all over the Country, millions of parents unemployed or underemployed, but this is all the Republicans seem to care about.
37 times to repeal ObamaCare at $1 million dollars a pop. What could of been done with that $37 million dollars? They claim they want to be so very conservative on the way taxes are spent. This is not wasteful?
They make me sick, and these same Republicans that pull these sneak plays and moves, underhanded, and in the night, are the destroyers of our Nation. While they so call "save" a life, they are destroying millions along the way. And really, it isn't about saving this one unborn baby is it? For once the child is born it is left to the mercy of whatever happens for they will not help to feed the child, offer an education, or medical care if parents can't do so for whatever reason. All it is about is control. Control of the woman, that she is under their thumb, their say so, their rule...and women best not forget it. They hold up this book that claims that right even if a person does not believe in that same book, that was also written by men.
Sunday June 23, 2013, 8:07 am
I did read a story about this. The women who crashed the party and demanded to testify. I am sure Texas republicans were shocked. Shocked that anyone got wise to their little out of session scheme and wise to their skullduggery and wise to the war on women they are conducting even in the dead of night. Texas is one of those states that will soon be no longer a white majority and all the gerrymandering in the world isn't going to help that party maintain control. The people of Texas will take back the power that has always been theirs and hopefully put a few of the worst of these white monsters in jail themselves, alongside the many they have condemned to die would be nice, I'm not recommending the death penalty, just that their cells be close and comparable. Surely it will not be hard to find hard evidence of criminal activity amongst them, conspiracy sounds like a good place to start. hehehe
Sunday June 23, 2013, 9:31 am
Stars all over the place - except I had just given Gene a star - and I soooo wanted to give him another star for his post!
As people have commented before – the GOP/TP want more and more foetuses and they care for them right up till the moment of birth – when they go on the scrapheap unless they are millionaires or billionaires….
Sunday June 23, 2013, 9:45 am
Until they are born, they go to great lengths to get them born into a lie.
Because once they are, the gop calls them leeches.
The whole gop is a shining testament to the oxymoron!
Sunday June 23, 2013, 11:19 am
20 weeks is 5 months pregnant. Unless there is a health issue for either the fetus or the mother, why should abortion be allowed after the first trimester? I am absolutely NOT against abortion, but I don't see a reason, other than health risks, why anyone should be allowed to let a pregnancy go to 5 months along before making that decision. I agree that the tactics used by these men to get these laws passed are ridiculous, and glad that people in Texas are paying attention to that, but can anyone come up with a good reason, other than health reasons, to abort at or after 5 months? And, there are ways to not get pregnant if a woman is in a position that would cause her to not be able to care for a child. Certainly we aren't that in need of having unprotected sex that we must protect a woman's right to have it by allowing second term abortion ... are we? Abortion should be legal, yes, but unless there is risk to health, not after the first trimester. And making it so doctors must be affiliated with a hospital is actually a way to also protect women from butchers who are doing abortions without really having the needed skills to do it safely. That part of the law is a double edged sword since it makes a lot of doctors fear doing abortions, I know, but I really think the reason behind it is, partially at least, for safety of the patient. Seems as though I am playing devil's advocate, I know, which is a role I don't usually take, but on this issue, I really see both sides. It just isn't as cut and dried as it is being presented to be.
Sunday June 23, 2013, 11:48 am
And because each pregnancy is never cut and dry it should therefore always remain with the woman and her Doctor....NOT the Governor or the Legislature.
I don't see anyone advocating for abortion to be a woman's choice of birth control. There are many reason women become pregnant, there are equally as many reasons why a woman would want to terminate a pregnancy. We are not to confine anyone but to allow a safe procedure to be able to done when it is needed.
We don't stand in the way of any other medical procedures and we should be trusting that the families, Doctor, the woman has thought clearly on what is taking place. Before medical procedures are offered there is always the presentation of counseling and medical advice. Most abortions do not happen in later term, but again, when it needs to be, mostly it is for health and safety reasons.
Sunday June 23, 2013, 12:09 pm
For the state to go so far to avoid hearing from all its citizens that wanted to be heard; to set up a second meeting hastily convened so as not to give the public a chance to participate and hold a vote; to move to a special Sunday sitting of the state assembly — this is pure obstruction of "We the People".
It is well past time to send all Republican/Teabagger politicians, state and federal, to the unemployment line! It is past time to return government of, by and for the people.
And to add insult to injury, your PP graphic hanger was likely made in China!
Sunday June 23, 2013, 4:07 pm
We need a constitutional amendment requiring any man who votes on restricting women's rights be required to undergo sexual reassignment surgery. Of course that would have the side effect of lowering the collective IQ of women and making for a whole lot of women so ugly they'd gag a maggot, but it does seem fitting to me.
Besides I already have a wonderful wife who s the most beautiful person in the world to me. (Just don't tell my daughter that, OK?)
Sunday June 23, 2013, 4:13 pm
It's wonderful to see the good people of TX gather to speak truth to power. These far rightwing ideals are being pushed nationwide by ALEC lest we forget. They absolutely have an agenda, and I hope that Texans are watching their backs to see what other nefarious bills are secretly being pushed and passed.
Dandelion said it all so well---that the bottom line is women's health issues are matters to be decided between a women and her doctor. Not insurance companies, not political parties.
I also like the way Terrie Williams (above) thinks. For all the men who are against women's rights, or those who refuse to speak out in defense of women's rights....keep your legs closed, ladies! hee hee
Sunday June 23, 2013, 4:15 pm
20 weeks too late...in most cases I would agree and I think most women do make a decision well before that time. But we can't set arbitrary rules.
A young girl is raped by her Father. She is frightened, doesn't know where to turn, and thinks if she denies what happens it will go away. She might be 12 or 13 years of age, around 20 weeks she begins to show. Her Mother asks what happened, she begins to cry.
Painful. Choice. But to be left for the family to choose.
Woman finds out at around 20 weeks the baby will most certainly die and if the baby is carried to full term the Mother is most likely going to die too.
Do we let them both die, simply because they reach an arbitrary date?
The patient is mentally challenged, she was taken advantage of by the night attendant. She has the mental ability of a 5 year old. It is noticed that her appearance is changing near the 20 weeks, does she have to go through the birth process or can she have this terminated. I think it is up to the Doctors, Therapist, and her family to figure this out, not some arbitrary ruling.
The woman is kidnapped, raped repeatedly, beaten, tortured, in all of this she becomes pregnant. She is finally rescued, but it is when she is at 20 weeks of pregnancy. Now that she has reached this arbitrary rule, should it be also forced upon her to have this child?
Again, we may have our most perfect situation in our minds, and I would say, in normal circumstances perhaps the woman would not abort a child at 20 weeks, but pregnancy does not always follow some perfect case scenario.
Let us not pass judgment upon others with some arbitrary ruling that dooms another and takes away their right to make the best choice for their life, for the unborn, and for their situation.
Monday June 24, 2013, 1:53 am
Dandelion's examples are perfectly possible - and show clearly how careful lawmakers SHOULD be when making laws as not all human experience is the same! I love Robert K's post!
Monday June 24, 2013, 10:28 pm
Yes there are TONS of variables and "mental health" of the patient should be just as important for a decision to be made. I see a point in saying that this isn't cut and dried and in almost every single thing we can possibly talk about, people can come up with both reasons for and against something. Like I said before, I feel there are so many different angles that this must be looked at, and the way Texas is going about this is wrong. Yes, a doctor and a woman should be the ones to decide. But ... I still believe that unless the health, mental or physical, of the mother or the health of the baby is on the line, that a 5 month pregnancy is just too late to abort. There are other ways to deal with a pregnancy that has gone that far. A person who doesn't know they are pregnant at 5 months is either 1) a child or 2) really ignorant or 3) disabled mentally or physically or both, or 4) lying. The line has to be drawn somewhere or there WILL be women who use abortion as birth control. There will be women who just change their minds, who get scared, etc. But at 5 months, that is no longer just a fetus. Just 4 more weeks and that baby "could" survive out of the womb. Nearly every part of that body is formed and working and to abort at that time just seems wrong. There will always be doctors who will perform late term abortions because they make money and not necessarily because it is best for the woman. Just so many variables to this issue. It is definitely not something that a bunch of politicians should be deciding behind closed doors nor a decision that should be made at all without a LOT of research, contemplation, and listening to those who would be affected by such a decision ... the ones who are pregnant and the ones who might be waiting to become a father.
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 2:00 am
You forgot extremely obese. I do not believe in using abortion as birth control, but I think many states now draw the line at viability, and provided that there are exceptions for rape, incest, and medical necessity to save the life or prevent disability of the mother. Personally, I think every abortion is a tragedy and the fewer there are the better, but I do not have the right to enforce my view on others, until and unless I get knocked-up myself, which, fortunately, is most unlikely.
Tuesday June 25, 2013, 6:21 am
what I find odd is the focus on unwanted pregnancies and the overwhelming lack of attention and actual care models available for pregnancy, birth, parenting, education etc of people who are here and are wanted and loved by enough people that in any other society would go a long way to ensuring not only survival but decent quality of life. Sure, people talk about how the "right to life" ends once the baby is born, but as far as I can see, the quality of care available is hardly what a lot of people would call "care" even for unborn infants and newborns. I wish I could say it was only the US, but birthing and how Governments support parents worldwide leaves a lot to be desired.