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Open Thread - 6/29/2013

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread, Video )

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).

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Jim P (3257)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 2:55 am
What If Robert Reich Told You That Immigration Reform Would SAVE Our Economy?

Tom is right on Robert Reich's short video. It is concise and to the point. Only 3 minutes long.
Have a listen in the visit site.

Ty, Tom.

Past Member (0)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 3:09 am

Pat B (356)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 6:32 am
Thanks, Tom for this.

Terrie Williams (798)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 7:53 am
Thanks as always Cat Man. :)

Gene Jacobson (290)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 7:54 am
Ya just gotta love Rachel. As she says often, you just can't make this stuff up. Governor Ultrasound, soon to be former governor and hopefully inmate (number unknown) somewhere in the federal prison system, is ceding his seat to the only person in Va. more anti woman than he is, Ken Cuccinelli, who makes Governor Ultrasound look like a moderate. I only hope the good people of Virginia have enough sense to READ what is happening now and what Kkkken (Fish Called Wanda reference there, giggle, for the same reason it came up in that movie) intends to do the women of Virginia should he, god forbid, be elected. Until he became Governor ultrasound, he was in the running to be Mitt's veep choice. What a pair they would have made, even less effective than Mitt and Ryan...

Carol H (229)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 10:34 am
noted, thank you Tom

Robert B (60)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 10:56 am
Reich is correct. If only the extreme right wingers would realize that.

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 11:17 am
Puzzle 3:31 That dawg needs a face lift! But damn, he do wear a wonderful set of size 9s!

MoveOn Reich is such a clear educator that even a Republican/Teabagger should be able to understand. OK, maybe they won't understand because they don't want to understand. Does their greed override their discrimination tendancies?

MSNBC A Rolex, a shopping spree, a contribution to the daughter's wedding reception, a drive in a Ferrari . . . I wonder if the prisoner can provide adjoining his and hers prison cells? So much for Christian family values! Oh, I forgot, he believes in pseudo Christian family values!

Raw Story The officer should remove his jackboots and maybe he would feel better. All Grmek had to do was keep going and chances are nothing more would have happened. Putz!

Cartoon Isn't it interesting how one little fact can make the difference between patriot and seditionist! imposition of tax versus voting in of a tax by duly elected representatives. I wonder what Teabaggers would think of a true democracy, and not just a representative democracy? They still wouldn't get their way.

Deb E (63)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 11:39 am
The only thing I don't agree with Reich on is the immigration of workers not having any effect on native born workers BASED on "past history". Past history does not take into consideration the fact that in today's work market, the United States worker is in competition from world workers for many positions, mostly manufacturing jobs, but also in the health care and now the tech industries where some say 1 in 5 workers are here on work visas as "independent contractors", which means they don't get paid even minimum wage. This is the first time in our history where jobs for American workers are being sent to other countries and workers from other countries are being brought in who do not have to be paid as the American worker would. This is all being done to dismantle the basic humane working conditions that so many, including immigrants from long ago, have worked, some even died, for. Again, it is trying to take the country backwards. There is no simple fix. But we need to look at the history of immigration into this country to remember that this country has, typically, set limits on immigration numbers. The United States had never before taken this attitude that "everyone should be able to come into this country". Thanks TC.

David C (129)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 11:56 am

Birgit W (160)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 3:33 pm

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 4:44 pm
While I do believe in immigration reform, I'm contacting my Rep. to vote against this immigration bill because it militarizes the border and gives private contractors a cash cow. Even McCain says the bill that left the Senate is giving the Border Patrol too much.
Alternet had a good article on this "No Winners When It Comes To Border Security" by Alana de Hinojosa 6/25/13.

The bill passed by the Senate would put a Border Patrol agent every 500 feet! (Many people living along the U.S. side of the border have long complained at the mess left already by these agents, and the hard feelings they have against them for their local bullying). Unmanned drones cost the gov't (us taxpayers), $3200 an hr., or $43 million a yr. Of course, that will increase.
Border Patrol agents destroy life-saving resources like food, water, blankets...while also shooting, sometimes killing Mexican citizens on the other side for throwing rocks. (Shades of Israel here). They "get away with murder" of children and teenagers.
By 2014, there will be more than 20,000 MORE Border Patrol agents along the border, bringing the total to nearly 42,000. This will cost us taxpayers about $40 BILLION over the next decade.

Today, border security costs taxpayers $18 Billion a yr.--more than what taxpayers contribute to the FBI, U.S. Marshalls, DEA & the Secret Service COMBINED.
(April, 2012, the Pew Hispanic Center found that net migration from Mexico had fallen to zero, or perhaps even lower). If the current bill passes, half a dozen military firms will work to secure Homeland Security contracts worth as much as $1 BILLION---"creating on ongoing system of revenue."

I live down here in Tucson, and am not buying into their fearmongering. The bill was so watered down in the Senate for actual immigration, that it's not even worth it at this point. I can't believe that the GOP would fix it to make immigration easier, or de-militarize the border. Right now, we have a border checkpoint inside the U.S. a few miles near the town of Tubac---shades of Nazi Germany if you ask me.

Shera A. (2)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 7:54 pm
so bad

Edith B (146)
Saturday June 29, 2013, 9:34 pm
Thanks, Tom. Maddow tells us what is really happening.

TomCat S (128)
Sunday June 30, 2013, 3:52 am
Thanks everyone.

paul m (93)
Sunday June 30, 2013, 5:13 am


Lona G (80)
Sunday June 30, 2013, 6:04 am
Thank You TomCat S. for these threads. It cheers me up no end. From my perspective on this side of the Atlantic, for a little while there seems to be less doom and gloom in America. Well, not really less doom and gloom, but it's good to see them taken on with so much humour and to know there are at least a few reasonable people left.

Arielle S (313)
Sunday June 30, 2013, 7:01 am
Reich and Maddow - two of my favorite people, who manage to say a lot in simple terms. Not so Gov. Sponge Bob and his greedy bimbo....yuk, they give me the creepy crawlies. Always good stuff from you, Tom - stay cool, please - we need you!

TomCat S (128)
Monday July 1, 2013, 2:07 am
Thanks everyone.
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