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Carol H (229)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 4:36 am
Limbaugh is the lowest form of life. thanks Tom, noted

P A (117)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 7:31 am
Oh dear – I was feeling a bit better – then I read about Rush Limbaugh – argh! I can't believe he is still employed.

Very good news about Oregon and the 'Pay it Forward, Pay it Back' scheme for students – brilliant! I hope it succeeds overwhelmingly!

Carlene V (202)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 7:41 am
Tom, day 22! Congrats!

We've been on vacation (Kona) for almost 2 weeks and never listened to or watched anything political. See that the Repubs are still at it with controlling votes and listening to Limbaugh made me sick. How does he manage to continue on the air? Oregon paying it forward, what a great idea and agree that paying back in service should be an option.

Pat B (356)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 7:54 am
Limbaugh is a total jerk.!!! I don't even listen to him. Thanks, Tom, have a super day.! ;-)

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:58 am
Sorry, Cat Man.....just couldn't dew Limpd**k today. I want to keep what's left of my rather calm mood for the day. :)

Oregon has right idea and a good way to provide incentive to get an education! But I like the idea of public/community service just as well.

Sigh....yeah....Texas is one of those Fascist states ready to make everyone flash their drivers license/state ID card....not a surprise, they wanted to do that last year and got their hands slapped and they couldn't do it then....they will now.


Winnie A (179)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 10:59 am
Limbaugh needs to access all of his mental health benefits and find a counselor that will help him stop living with ET and Peter Pan in Never, Never Land.

David C (129)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 12:00 pm
Congrats to Oregon on the college tuition....that is known as forward MN, a radio station very close to our old AirAmerica has started broadcasting right wingers, got stuck listening to 15 secs of Rush (a 4 letter word) and it made me want to vomit..........

Birgit W (160)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 1:25 pm

Lois Jordan (63)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 2:24 pm
Noted. Thanks, Tom. Oh, that the US gov't would implement for all colleges & universities what OR has done! Would definitely make my day. I've still got 3 kids struggling. I'm still angry that Elizabeth Warren's bill got no traction in the Senate. If people still can't see the total corrupt corporatization of both parties, they're blind.
Sorry, I ignore Limpbag in every form to help keep what's left of my sanity.
I'm reading a lot online that Congress must re-approve the Voting Rights Act to nullify what SCOTUS has done. Moves are being made in that direction, and we must support it. Roberts really pulled a fast one.

Deb E (63)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 2:54 pm
TC, will the tuition be granted to state residents only? And I agree ... they should have to do community service for the tuition money. That just builds more character and brings a community together.

Joanne D (38)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 3:13 pm
I see no help for it, in 2014 and 2016 at least we are going to need way more honest poll watchers than any of those red states is going to be able to find. Some of us are going to have to vote absentee in order to help them out - and we will need to be prepared for opposition and possible violence (not to mention agents provocateurs). I say we, but I am also disabled and unable to volunteer in person - I am addressing those who can. We need to stand together so as not to fall separately.

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Sunday July 7, 2013, 5:29 pm

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 6:26 pm
Puzzle — 3:56 Not me! I was too busy enjoying the intricate fern leaves and moss! Too beautiful to stomp!

ABC — As you saw TC, Oregon leads the way. It would be interesting to know just what the per centage of income is for repayment and is there any time line? If a student is stuck in a minimum wage job where any per centage would be onerous, or can't find employment, what then? Your suggestion of paying it back with service is a good idea. This is one idea floated with welfare rolls too. It has the benefit of paying back while purportedly helping with self esteem, developing networks, and possibly other job opportunities. Perhaps they will pass an amendment for that.

NY Times — "…such laws are needed to prevent voter fraud. " Bull shit! Laws are needed to prevent election fraud but obviously the Supreme Court Republicanus of the US doesn't see it that way. That the states are going full speed ahead with legislation is, as far as I am concerned, predictable and unconstitutional. Obviously SCROTUS does not agree. There will a people's revolution at some point, but what it will look like is another matter.

Media Matters — Limbarf talks about race not being an issue until the media etc (of course he is a member of that group) brought it in, even using the fact that the sheriff didn't press charges until a stink was made. Of course it would never be heard from his racist lips that perhaps the sheriff was racist in the first place by not pressing charges. I have not been watching the trial particularly but it is in the news here. I don't know why we have so much US news but some of my American friends what Canadian TV news if they can to get a more balanced perspective. It was noted that there have been more and more cracks, no, fissures, in Zimmerman's story and that it is starting to look more like a fairy tale.

Cartoon — Oui, bilingue! I am an anglophone originally from Québec and I support the official languages act. What I find disappointing is the lack of English in Québec. Québec Bill 101 of 1977 made French the official language of Québec. And I have no problem with that. But the way the law is written, if anyone has to go to court, all proceedings will be in French, whether that person understands French or not. There have been a number of amendments, one even dictating the size of characters on a sign — French first and must be much larger than English, even in all English neighbourhoods. Yet in other parts of Canada, French in the courts is mandated if the defendant is French speaking. All federal offices must offer services in both French and English. Here is a link to Bill 101 in Wikipedia which just gives an overview.


Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 6:28 pm
Somehow, I got cut off.

Bill 101

BTW, I was fluent in French after taking French in high school and conversational French at the University of Victoria in Victoria, BC. I have lost that fluency but am still able to read and translate some technical documents in banking. As happened in 1978, if I went to France for a month (not on an American plan as we say), I would return home much more fluent and would forget some English..

James Maynard (84)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 8:23 pm
"As usual, Oregon leads the way, but I would prefer an option to pay it back with service This is the kind of blue state creativity needed to survive Republican congressional sedition."

Used to be solely California leading. Good to see others
wanting to jump in.

Pay it back with service is one of the brilliant things Mexico is doing
with a number of degrees. Know personally of a doctor who spent
a couple years in the poorer towns, serving the communities, and
now has a business providing nursing services.......

We need to look outside our narrow little ideologies and incorporate
some good practices from around the world........oh, sorry, I forgot
that we're #1.......


Edith B (146)
Sunday July 7, 2013, 9:12 pm
Good for Oregon, I wish other states would follow suit. I didn't watch the video, Rush makes me ill. I am not at all surprised at his take on the Zimmerman trial.

TomCat S (128)
Monday July 8, 2013, 2:02 am
Thanks everyone. Kudos to Joanne, Lynn and James.

Deb, I don't have any of the details.

TomCat S (128)
Tuesday July 9, 2013, 1:47 am
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