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Keystone Delayed


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TomCat S. (286)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:20 am
I wish I has a nickel for every time I’ve seen or heard that we have to condemn Barack Obama, because he’s about to approve the Keystone pipeline, ever since 2011. In spite of ever mounting pressure form Big Oil and their Republican lackeys, he has still nit approved it. Furthermore, there will apparently be no approval before 2014, if ever.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:31 am
My, doesn't that Congressman have a limited vocabulary!

I am very glad to see that the protests etc are all having the desired effect, well it seems so for now. I remember the conflict of interest concerns coming up last year. It is good that this is being taken to task.

If the Keystone XL does not go through, which of course I will be happy, it will be interesting to see if it garners the spotlight during 2016. What kind of spin will the Republicanus/Teabaggers put on it? I guess wait and see.
 

Lona Goudswaard (70)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:30 am
It's very good to see Keystone XL delayed further, but that has little to do with Obama, I'm afraid. Opponents have bought themselves more time because the reports were not impartial. Finding a truly independent agent to do the work over will take time and by then a more negative outcome may be expected. And that suits Obama fine; he'll not have to take a stand for or against for a long while yet and even may leave it to his successor. That will take some weight of his shoulders, to be sure.
 

Dimitris Dallis (2)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:31 am
Great!
 

Nyack Clancy (436)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:33 am
Nice. Which is far better that Mitt Romney stated it would get built, if he had to build it himself.
 

Terrie Williams (770)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:33 am
Uh…..uh……um…..uh……hmmmm……..I stand by my statement in that I miss spoke and I apologized…..translates to….

I do not have a pre-approved RNC/Birther statement/reply to you handy, therefore, I cannot speak for myself and have to give you the standard one-liner I am allowed to give you.

PATHETIC.

Yes, there WAS a conflict of interest and YES it was patently BS and YES the people/NPO's know it and the Prez knows it. I hope it's delayed forever….as in….never signed and never implemented. It is a disaster waiting to happen….and they know it.

Right, Tom, if we did have a nickel for every time he's demonized and/or condemned for this one thing….we'd be living the high life my friend! :)
 

Roseann D. (178)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:34 am
So make TransCanada restore all the land they've marred to its original untrammeled state. That should keep em busy creating American jobs.
 

Roseann D. (178)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:37 am
Seriously who is going to clean up that mess they made...why should the residents and states pay for that???
 

Sue Matheson (71)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:59 am
thanks
 

Gloria picchetti (290)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 6:04 am
I hope the pipeline is never completed.
 

Gene Jacobson (252)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 6:17 am
You know, the only good thing about Keystone, tongue in cheek, is that it goes through BOTH North and South Dakota, really red states all the way to the gulf. Since none of them are worried about what happens when, say, North Dakota's mid-section collapses into a state wide sinkhole because of the fracking, why should we? They seem to be operating on the same idea as Japan, just take all that crud down to the Gulf and dump it in, what could it hurt? Like the radioactive water Japan is leaching, and about to begin pouring, into the Pacific, what could possibly go wrong? That last one might finally end Japan's whaling since the whales may explode when harpooned and worsen their nuclear issues.

Dumb politicians make really dumb choices, that seems like a no-brainer to me but apparently not to voters in red states like ND, SD and Colorado, which is more schizophrenic than red. I stand by my statement - yeah, I remember that show. Mike Coffman. Well, he can deny climate change since Colorado is obviously not going to flood, though it may end up a bit of a mess if that pipeline bursts there. Fools rush in is running through my head, that happens often when I think of climate change and the people who deny science, the flat earthers of this day and time with the distinction that back then, they actually believed it, now those denying it do in fact believe it, they can't not, they just don't care because the money is still to be made in industries that depend on fossil fuels. Both fools, but of a very different sort to me. Today's are evil as well as foolish. The Koch boys and their minions. Rupert and his. Evil people at the core. Which is one core I would not mind seeing melted down.
 

Pat A. (117)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 6:35 am
Mr Coffman : "I stand by my statement that I mispoke and I apologize… I stand by my st…." repeat ad nauseam! (Who was pulling the strings…? That was fascinating).

The Sierra Club and the FoE are right that the firm employed to 'look into' Keystone has indeed got a conflict of information – please stop this environmental disaster in the making now! (Excellent ad by the way).
 

tasunka m. (334)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 7:59 am
I'll say it again, keystone, no keystone
In the end, the only important piece of interest is that even if they don't build it, we have already reached and passed the carbon toxicity tolerance level for the earth.
Keystone would be a cherry on the carbon cake.
Thanks TC
 

Arielle S. (317)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 8:16 am
Must be the altitude in Colorado, huh? Or…. could it possibly be $$$$$$$? Apologize away, Mr. Coffman, but certainly don't change your outlook....

A pox on the pipeline and all like it.... time to move on to other forms of energy....
 

Bill and Katie D. (79)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 8:59 am
Now let's stop and think here we have allowed the Oil Companies to receive subsidies that the taxpayer has paid them!! they had started to go ahead which has ruined much land already do you think they are going back to clean anything up?? Worse than the Gulf!!! Big FARST that has ended badly and left a mess!! They will walk off and nothing be done!! The Poor Landowner's they had Bulllied to get their way! Your water, animals, everything will be left to suffer. There is NO CLEANING UP THIS CRAP! SURE GLAD IT WAS DELAYED, STOPPED!! KEEP AND EYE ON IT THINGS ALWAYS COME BACK WITH THEM
THANK YOU
 

Ben Oscarsito (339)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:24 am
I wonder if all those many, many, many petitions will make any difference...?
 

Ben Oscarsito (339)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:26 am
BTW; -If I've had me a dollar for every petition I've signed...WOW!!!
 

Michael Kirkby (85)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:32 am
I guess that Nebraska legislation didn't get passed after all which is a good thing. Let's see whether Obama can keep it at bay for at least the rest of his term. Kudos to him for not giving in to Harper and Trans Canada.
Of course it would be really great if we could wean Barky away from dirty coal which he and his friends really seem to think is the solution to America's energy needs. Scalar wave would do it much more cleanly and efficiently. Of course there are no exorbitant profits to made with scalar.
 

Dave C. (214)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 11:12 am
wish it was Keystone Stopped Forever....
 

Anne F. (17)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 11:34 am
Glad to see there will be an investigation of possible conflicts of interest and corruption. BIG Oil needs to behave better than BP has in the Gulf of Mexico and TransCanada has in Alberta. Vast profits suggest the regulations are working in the companies' favor.
 

Chris C. (149)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:52 pm
Hurrah! As a Nebraska resident (Omaha), I have fought the ultimate fight against the Keystone Pipeline!
 

GGmaSheila D. (171)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:06 pm
Always like Rachel Maddow - one of those plucky women with power.

Wonder what Coffman would say about fracking if the Colorado Rockies were fracked down into anthills that even ants won't live in...Molehills even the moles won't live in - if there any ants or moles or any other life left?

What good is greed if there's nothing left to spend it on...Looks like Canadians are waking up, but is it too late for them? The UK will go the same way as Canada unless its people can stop Big Oil there. Maybe if Big Oil has to fight in too many countries its shareholders will start asking why their checks are getting smaller...Problem is that there are too many poor countries, like Ecuador.
 

Jamie Clemons (280)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:29 pm
Delayed until Obusha can find some way to sneak it into a back room deal with the repugs.
 

Robert K. (31)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:51 pm
Nothing short of a million year delay is desirable, but 1 50 year delay is okay. By then there will be no teabaggers left in power.
 

Mitchell D. (131)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:53 pm
Roseann, What a great idea!
Lynn S., I'm afraid that I know what the Repugs will say about an will make no mention of how we became 89% more energy dependent after their Saint Reagan said he would end energy dependence.
They will say nothing about all the fat cats just licking their lips over the huge profits the pipeline would have created, while exporting the product overseas, and doing nothing for our energy needs.
Nyack, thank you for thr Romney reminder.
 

Robert K. (31)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:53 pm
Gene, the fact of the matter is the the reason it got held up in the first place is that North Dakota objected to it going through there and they had to come up with a different plan and a new environmental impact investigation. They may be more red than not, but they know when their water supply is being endangered.

 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 2:32 pm

I think you guys are all far more optimistic about the pipeline than I. No one invests that much money on the structure of something like a pipeline across two large continents without being very sure they will be doing business. Both the US and Russia want to win the outdated but fun, cold war on gas and oil. So FRACK away. Please do not let a little thing like water, air and human health stand in your way.
 

Joanne Dixon (38)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 3:37 pm
Kit, you are right that they are still building, and that means they are very sure it will be approved. But I have a dream of my own that they get it completely finished just before being completely turned down, and then are required to dismantle it and PUT EVERYTHING BACK at their own expense. Sure, I would rather they hadn't started, but since they have... I can dream.
Coffman is a cipher and I have confidence that Romanoff is going to clean his clock in 2014. But even if I am wrong on that, we still have a Democratic governor and two Democratic Senators, and out of 7 districta we have 3 Democrats, and with the exception of Coffman's district, they more or less represent the actual population in the districts. Coffman's is the one which was supposed to swing, which is one reason I think Andy has a good chance. If we get out the vote. Plus our state legislature did manage to get us some background checks.
I'm sure you all know there are some counties that want to secede from Colorado because it is too blue for them. By me they are welcome to leave.
 

Ray M. (0)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 4:18 pm
Thank goodness. Now let's stop it forever and to hell with the tea party and their corporate criminals.
 

Ann Breeden (65)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 5:22 pm
Just cancel the whole darn thing, please.
 

Carlene V. (203)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 5:24 pm
Coffman should have a little string attached to his ear that he can pull and play a recording of his phony apology, heck he wouldn't even have to move his lips.

On the pipeline, it is a disaster being glossed over by shills for big oil. I hope there is a huge conflict of interest proven and that Obama stands his ground.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 5:26 pm
Thanks.
 

Edith B. (141)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:28 pm
I hope Keystone is never approved. It will not benefit our country and it will make a negative impact on our environment.
 

Judy C. (107)
Monday August 26, 2013, 1:54 am
The longer this thing is delayed, the more people are waking up to the facts about this infernal pipeline. In spit of Congressman Lee Terry (R-NE) being BFF's with TransCanada, more people in my state, Nebraska, are not parroting the pipeline myths as much as they have in the past. I posted this article yesterday:
Keystone XL Decision Delayed Again? Inspector General Pushes Report on ERM Scandals to January
 

TomCat S. (286)
Monday August 26, 2013, 2:58 am
Thanks to almost all, but it saddens me that one still blames Obama for something he has not done. That'sa just plain foolish! He should only be blamed for things he HAS done. There are many great comments, but kudos to Nyack. If Little Lord Willard had been elected, we'd be watching oil spills from it already.
 

John Gregoire (255)
Monday August 26, 2013, 4:46 am
I hope you are correct TC. I don't see this delay or a non-approval as a done deal. It is not a matter of blaming Obama but a matter of common sense and facts. Once again, Kit states the facts as they are and not through rose-colored TC glasses.
 

Mark Botermuc (32)
Monday August 26, 2013, 6:24 am
Ty ...
 

TomCat S. (286)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 2:30 am
But John, according to you, he's been about to approve it since 2011. I hardly call thqat stating the facts.
 
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