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Open Thread = 9/8/2013

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).

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Lona G (80)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 5:41 am
It's not very surprising that the allies of yesteryear weren't queuing up to join the US in a strike on Syria without UN permission. Too much deja vu. Some countries even had parliamentary commissions determine whether joining Bush against Iraq without UN approval had been an illegitimate act, so they've learned their lesson. And of course they know full well that the UN isn't going to approve and that also suits them fine. There's a much better chance of having them agree on the UN condemning all use of chemical weapons and sending humanitarian aid to the countries burdened with refugees.

Closing all nuclear power plants down, I'm all for it. But perhaps the fossil fuel companies are for it too, because it gives them the opportunity to push for more fracking and other fossil fuel use to compensate for energy loss. Best get your green and sustainable energy on the road first, so it can replace nuclear power

P A (117)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 6:30 am
So sorry your neighbour is a lip diddling loon and kept knocking out the power TC!

Cartoon – would love to know the back-story behind that strange occurrence!

Dotti L (85)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 7:13 am
Thanks for the cartoon, disgusting as it is.

Gene J (290)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 12:31 pm
"As long as Russia’s version of the Republican Party, and Fuhrer Putin, are at the helm in Russia, Obama will not get UN support. Still, ne needs much broader international support than GW ChickenHawk’s Coalition of the Bought."

LOVED the satire, would that it were true. I really hope the US does not decide to go it alone on this useless strike at Syria. My own doubts as to who did what grow by the day. There are so many suspects, with so much to gain from pinning this tail on any other donkey, that I don't believe we can trust "intelligence" of any kind. One of the jokes in the Army when I served was that Military Intelligence was an oxymoron. Well, it was funny but true then and has been ever since. I think I will enjoy the debate in Congress because Boehner can't keep his troops in line and I don't think the President can either. The American people don't want this and so the coming fight will be a real free for all, not democrats against republicans, it will make allies of people who would never line up together for any other reason. If it weren't for the fact that so much rests on this debate, it would be amusing to watch. It might be anyway, if we can be assured that nothing comes of it but talk.

Yes, someone was really bad IN Syria, but then both sides, or all sides there are really bad. The one thing we cannot do is make it worse by killing more Syrian children and there is no way to not do that if we try "surgically" striking anything. Assad has had time to prepare and so have his opponents, as well as those shadows who we don't even recognize as being there. There is nothing to be gained by bombings at this point. I hope our President recovers his senses long enough to realize that. The debate about how terrible chemical weapons are is enough to call attention to how terrible they are and to deter their future use. Obama is smart enough to know that. I hope he is. And that their use becomes as much an evil as nuclear bombs are. That is the only positive to come out of this. And it already has. Point taken. I think by everyone. Now lets put our "intelligence" to work on finding out who made, sold and gave to whomever used them, these weapons. THAT is a challenge worth taking on. No bombs, no more. Find, try and punish international criminals is what the world should be about now. I hope all of this leads to that. Nothing else is reasonable at this point, in my opinion.

David C (129)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 12:44 pm

Deb E (63)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 1:31 pm
We will never move forward as a species if we cannot come up with better ways to punish people for killing people than by killing the people who killed people first ... Talk about an oxymoron

James Maynard (84)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 1:41 pm
Thanks TC.

Pat B (356)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 1:53 pm
Hope things will be quieter today than last night, bet you'll be glad when you can move, right? Take good care, Tom, and Thanks.

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 2:02 pm
Puzzle — 3:29 My feet got stuck on the beautiful posie!

The New Yorker — What things might look like if Obama could say what he really thought! That is the great thing about AB's satire.

NY Times — If John Baird, Canada'a Foreign Relations Minister can be believed, Obama has the support of Canada. Earlier Canada said it would not support a limited assault on Syria. France etc are waiting until the UN report on the use of chemical weapons before committing. The US is not the policeman of the world and should not take on that mantle any longer. It has had its own flirtation with WMD (ie agent orange in Vietnam) and does not have the moral authority. If any action is taken, it MUST be as part of a UN action.

Alternet — Distressing that the reason for the declining use of nuclear power is not as a result of safety concerns post 3 Mile Island, post Chernobyl, post Fukishima, but rather as a result of the increase in fracking and the lower cost of fracked gas to consumers. One way or another, we are adamant that we will destroy Mother Earth. It is past time to dig in hard with alternative green energy.

Cartoon — I wonder what the price was for Ford to pardon Tricky Dicky? John, your case makes sense!

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 8, 2013, 7:12 pm
Thank you TC.

TomCat S (128)
Monday September 9, 2013, 2:57 am
Thanks everyone. Kudos to Gene.
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