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It Appears That the Bluff Paid Off


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TomCat S. (286)
Monday September 16, 2013, 2:24 am
Shortly after Obama announced his intent to raid Syria, I had an idea, that I fully expected to write about as soon as one of the majors had the same idea and ran with it, because I did not want to be the one to expose him, if I was right. But nobody did, until Daily Kos did yesterday.
 

Gloria picchetti (290)
Monday September 16, 2013, 3:32 am
It's looking good for Kerry and Obama, not so much Boehner and the tea baggers.
 

Pat A. (117)
Monday September 16, 2013, 5:29 am
TC I bow to you (and to President Obama) that is a masterstroke!
 

JL A. (275)
Monday September 16, 2013, 6:22 am
Important to remain aware in the world of diplomacy that things aren't necessarily what they seem.
 

mamabear claw (49)
Monday September 16, 2013, 6:35 am
Obama Rejects Criticism of Shifting Syria Policy: 'I'm Less Concerned About Style Points'http://gma.yahoo.com/obama-rejects-criticism-shifting-syria-policy-im-less-130259612--abc-news-topstories.html
 

Elle B. (82)
Monday September 16, 2013, 8:05 am
Yep ... "Crazy-0's" is the name of the game ... long sleeves, inside pockets, stacked decks, the score pads are missing ... and what's on the table are not the hands being played ... a deeply sad state of affairs ...
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 16, 2013, 8:25 am

Of course that is what is going on, sometimes it pays to NOT jump to conclusions. When diplomacy is on table it is much like a poker game. JFK took many hits in the press for being weak in the face of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Frankly, I will take "weak" when it resolves things with out bombs and war, any day over false bravado.

I know many are upset and see Obama as a war monger, but if you do not actually go to war, if you speak the one language that is universally understood and get the resolution without war, is that really a war monger?

I don't think Kerry misspoke about a possible arms deal, I think Obama was not interested in using the military as more than a bluff, but it had to be a believable bluff.

The arms deal, that is worked out according his mornings NYT.

Thanks TC
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 16, 2013, 8:27 am

We do have another gun man. This is like a national infection.
 

Peggy A. (0)
Monday September 16, 2013, 8:32 am
noted
 

Deborah W. (6)
Monday September 16, 2013, 8:43 am
Not over till it's over ... stay tuned.
 

Sara V. (0)
Monday September 16, 2013, 9:01 am
Whatever. There was too much international disapproval of the proposed strikes, or else it would have just been another Libya. Can you say - saving face?

 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 16, 2013, 9:18 am

I think Obama knew there would be wide disapproval, I think he expected that and expected Congress to not know how to react. As I have said, many times, he knew exactly what he was doing and he knew that his big stick would not work if it didn't look like he was prepared to use the military. A bluff doesn't work if everyone knows exactly what you are doing.
 

Robert K. (31)
Monday September 16, 2013, 10:12 am
Amen, he is a chess player. Now if only he would apply the same pressure to jailing half of Wall Street....

At least the despicable Larry Summers has taken his unfit name out of nomination.
 

Robert K. (31)
Monday September 16, 2013, 10:14 am
Gun nuts all have penis envy, and it's particularly strong amongst men.
 

Gene Jacobson (252)
Monday September 16, 2013, 11:00 am
" But for now, at least it looks like real success is in the offing. That's something all Americans can and should be proud of."

I agree Tom, the President handled this masterfully. I suspected something more was afoot too when he decided to seek Congressional approval given our Presidents are traditionally loathe to do that. Particularly so given THIS House of Representatives, he did send them into a very nice spin, he got people talking to each who wouldn't acknowledge one another on the street as potential allies. That might pay dividends in the long run but for now, not making the situation worse in Syria by adding our bombs to the fire is a good thing and getting those cursed weapons out of Syria is too.
 

Chris C. (149)
Monday September 16, 2013, 11:04 am
I have never, EVER lost faith in Obama. As I've said before, he was one of the few to vote NO on the War in Iraq. He is an extremely smart, careful leader. It's not over til the fat lady sings but...I believed all along that he was bluffing to get everyone else to do what he wanted! He's learned that this despicable House will do the opposite of what he wants...! I think Obama is genius!
 

Jennifer Hebert (8)
Monday September 16, 2013, 1:46 pm
Thanks for sharing.
 

Yvonne White (232)
Monday September 16, 2013, 1:56 pm
What tickles me even more than NOT going to War at the first "oppurtunity" is that the President seems to be pulling the "Great & Powerful" Presidency back to a more Informed & Thoughtful type of symbol. MAKING the CONgre$$ co-conspirators was not only the Safest thing to do, it was the Right thing to do! Maybe he is thinking ahead in a way Bu$h Leaguer$ never could & realizes if RepubliCONs steal any More elections America would REALLY be at Risk in more ways than it Already is! Putting that "I'm the Bo$$" Imperial Presidency Genie back in the bottle will be Hard, but it must be done. Now if we can Educate CONgre$$ on it's TRUE Duties, maybe America can move forward!
 

John S. (304)
Monday September 16, 2013, 2:14 pm
I agree kit, "A bluff doesn't work if everyone knows exactly what you are doing." But then again, it's not a bluff when you don't know what you are doing. Just be happy it all worked out.
 

Birgit W. (144)
Monday September 16, 2013, 2:22 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Monday September 16, 2013, 2:40 pm
And if everyone who believes in fairies will just clap....
 

Dianna M. (13)
Monday September 16, 2013, 3:01 pm
You mean, all Obama's war talk was just a bluff?

Memo to self: NEVER play poker with Obama.
 

Bill and Katie D. (78)
Monday September 16, 2013, 9:35 pm
We all are Grateful he took the time and checked everything out and the Best was just trying to have congress do their JOB Knowing they WOULDN'T! A LOT WAS AT STAKE HERE, DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO ANOTHER WAR NEEDLESS. Congress,They haven't agreed on anything so why would they??
NOW PEOPLE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE ALL ABOUT!! Maybe just there for the $$$$. Get them out!!
THANK YOU TOM
 

Edith B. (141)
Monday September 16, 2013, 9:53 pm
Whatever the reason, I am happy we are not going to war again.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Monday September 16, 2013, 11:20 pm
As Arielle said in a previous post, " Obama often plays chess when the rest are playing checkers. "

Mr Obama has shown before that he knows how to hold them, and he knows when to fold them. Maybe the Republicanus/Teabagger 'pranks' have been useful after all.
 

Karen Chestney (107)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 3:18 am
Cheers & kudos to Pres. Obama & John Kerry. Well played.
 

Theresa R. (3)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 4:21 am
noted thanks
 

Riley Anderson (46)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 4:25 am
Thanks
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 6:22 am
Thanks.
 

Winn Adams (192)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 7:28 am
Thanks
 

l L. (1)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 12:26 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Heads up..Last week Brennan who is over CIA or What? Any how.. Last week, these two guys made their news circuit rounds (MCCain as well) stating this President has the right to strike Syrian, even though the Syrian Leader is turing over chemical weapons.

Brennan; says Obama has the right to strike Syrian no matter what the American public wants or congress. Obama can still call a war..

It is strange but not unususal, that on the same day he U.N report came out that the Naval base in D.C , had that event.

Because; our government over the many decades has not told the truth to us. I don't believe them any more.
They may be telling the truth just once but my confidence is gone..

Wag the dog and anything else that has put lying and stagecraft is ever present. I don't believe them. I don't trust them.

When I listen to corporate news whil the corporate news was covering it; the same old same old. They hang their own selves.. I said is sounds like the last time.. Same talking points and stuff that s very illogical..
I find myself needing to just take a break.

I see your points bout getting rid of the chemicals in case we wanted to land with ground troops We didn't want chemicals killing them.
Who wouldn't be tired of all of this.

McCain is an old man who is not going into war any more. So when he pushes the war campaigns and in the same breath, doesn't care about the domestic agendas; logic would say.. why does any one buy into his agenda?
I remember what Bush did before here was a 9-11 all of it.. then came 9-11 and the wars and they were recuiting and talking about all they were talking about. What shut it down, as people were paying attention and sut it down. Wonder how that is going to happen this time.? The playbook stays the same. Strangely enough I doesn't change.

I don't know whose news media to believe; they are owned buy persons with agendas.. I will continue to do good in my own sphere and help others. There are times tho I need to step back to exhale from all the stuff that destroys hope.
 

l L. (1)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 12:36 pm
Just to let you know if I didn't; A coincident that on the same day in D.C; was the day the U.N report came out..
Strangely enough, our corporate medias report the opposite of the. U.N report. To us it is the Syrian Leader and he report doesn't say that. And on that day there was a third thing that became public. Will we ever know what is truth? I wonder..
 

Mitchell D. (131)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 5:10 pm
whether bluff, or not, and it may well have been, it seems good to me...but we will have to see how it plays out.
In any case, my hat is off to Obama.
Had we some jackass Repuglican in the White House this would have been a very messy situation, with the subliminal focus on "Wow, what an opportunity for the "Military Industrial Complex...and just how well will they pay me back?"
 

Carlene V. (203)
Tuesday September 17, 2013, 6:58 pm
So far it's worked no matter who said what. We don't need another war to fight.
 

TomCat S. (286)
Wednesday September 18, 2013, 12:40 am
Thanks to all except the naysayers. The UN Report says that, although so-called witness testimony is contradictory, the forensic data indicated that Assad is responsible. Read the report instead of someone wearing a tinfoil hat!
 

Suzanne O. (34)
Wednesday September 18, 2013, 5:07 am
Tom, I have noticed you do this often. You thank those that agree with you and make a comment about those that don't. Not a very good way of communicating ideas and thoughts in my opinion. I find it somewhat pointless to do that. Don't you want to hear all who wish to comment or should we just automatically agree with you and bad mouth the rest. Makes no sense to me. I think this is part of the problem why nothing is ever accomplished. I pretty much stay away from these threads for that very reason.

I hope we are doing the right thing when it comes to Syria. I am very concerned that we are arming the rebels and giving them support and training. Who are they really?

I am not convinced either way that President Obama has a game plan or is just sort of rolling along. I hope he is as brilliant as you all suggest. I am not really feeling that right now.

I am glad that we have not bombed the hell of them though, either side. I don't see a victory here at all.
 

Sara V. (0)
Wednesday September 18, 2013, 9:20 pm
It's incredible that there is anyone left who is not seeing the man behind the curtain. Obama is continuing the policies of Bush and those directing him. We are still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Obama added Libya, and now wants Syria. We are all being subjected to unconstitutional surveillance. Obama signed the Monsanto Protection Act - he is not looking out for your interests. No matter who is elected - and what their campaign promises were - the same things happen: more centralization, more wars, more oil, more GMOs, more banking fraud leading to massive bank profits and the disappearance of the middle class. It is the eleventh hour and it is time for everyone to WAKE UP!

Don't believe me? Watch Wesley Clark, NATO Supreme Allied Commander, at San Francisco's Commonwealth Club in 2007 - he spells out the foreign policy plan which dates to pre-2001. Five countries were to be attacked: Iraq, Libya, you guessed it - Syria, Lebanon, and Iran.
http://fora.tv/2007/10/03/Wesley_Clark_A_Time_to_Lead

 
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