Tuesday October 1, 2013, 1:48 am
Here are the results of our Republican Shutdown or Republican Default Poll. Politics Plus Polls are not scientific, because those who respond are not balanced according to demographic categories. Therefore, we do not accurately reflect the makeup of the US population. Nevertheless, our polls are often accurate.
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 4:59 am
Oh Lynn you made me howl with laughter – and you are right! How I wish the GOP/TP could realise that we were given ears and mouths in a ratio of two to one and should use them in that order – and that they might LISTEN to others for a change!
I do hope that they get pilloried in the media and that people loudly demonstrate their disgust and fury with the Teabaggers' behaviour and that they agree to increase the debt ceiling – but I think they have painted themselves into a corner with their insane rhetoric and it will not end well. In a negotiation it is always a good idea to allow the other side a sort of 'honorable out' so they can retreat with dignity – the GOP/TP themselves have cut off their own retreat – madness.
Those who voted both may still be correct. I was one of the 4 that voted shut-down, this time I'm very sorry that I was right. The Pundits are filling the newspapers and air waves with their certain belief that will be a short shut down and some how Obama and the democrats should be taking the heat. For what? Having a real principles and standing by them?
What is Obama care? It is exactly the plan conceived some years back by the Heritage Foundation as an alternative to what was then called Hilary care. Yes, I know I have said this over and over and people are tired of hearing (reading) me say that. If George Bush had proposed this it would have sailed through, there would have been no Supreme Court challenge and health care would not be this shiny object to use as an excuse. The republicans, most particularly the TP are being directed and manipulated by their wealthy handlers to make Obama look inept and unable to corral Congress. Rarely have opposition party presidents been able to control or direct Congress. It sounds like nice bed time stories to fondly look back at Reagan or Clinton as models of how to compromise with an unruly Congress, at least by those with a very deficient memory. Most of the time the House has had leaders that could control the ideologues, bring them to a compromise that left everyone wanting. There is no compromise with the TP, their ideal was achieved at midnight. By law, Obama can not just end the ACA and of course Congress knows this. By moral direction neither Obama or the democrats can concede to the many other demands not been given much air or paper time. How long will this last? I hope not long, too many people will be hurting very soon.
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 7:09 am
The salary for Congress is $174,000 a year - the average net worth for each member is $966,000. The nation's top 400 wage earners now take in as much as the bottom 150 MILLION people. And yet, these are the people who do not want the average person to have health care. What can these people with so much possibly understand what it is like to have little?
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 7:37 am
Ty Cal ... for the intelligent poll and astute observations of the mutant machinators.
The deeply disturbed pre-schoolers' facist malversation will not stop that is certain. Whatever their future actions are--they believe they are absolute in their positions and everyone in opposition are "enemies of their God-sanctioned truths." The leaders of the mutineers and opportunists have finally purchased enough of a crew in Congress to make some long awaited moves is all we are seeing. Expect more---a lot more... and voting them out will not stop the sedition. DeMint going to Heritage Foundation is a very calculated strategic placement--a "timed" move and a signal to followers across the country. Watch Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, Club for Growth, A.L.E.C., Americans for Prosperity, et al hosts and subsidiaries. Particularly John Birch Society* "Foundations" nationwide--established by the original members' decendents under separate names---for major clues. Everything being called "crazy" is exactly what is intended--"giga time." Make no mistake "they" consider this a political "coups" ...an exceptionally well financed one with decades of strategic planning. Every societal construct has been permeated [complete with new government replacement concepts.] Get into one of their private backroom meetings and you will hear terms like "guerilla warfare." This is not business as usual. All is going as planned and the current commentary about activities is exactly what is hoped for. When their wayward activities subside for a period--the next moves of plans A thru Z are being assessed 24/7...stay tuned--don't be fooled by foolery. . .they are intentionally operating in a separate universe and believe they are engaged in a full-fledged genius of a Revolution.
“The obvious types of American fascists are dealt with on the air and in the press. These demagogues and stooges are fronts for others. Dangerous as these people may be, they are not so significant as thousands of other people who have never been mentioned." ― Henry A. Wallace, US Vice Pres.
"The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information." ― Henry A. Wallace, US Vice Pres.
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 7:59 am
Predicting this was going to happen wasn't all that hard, TomCat. All the signs are there. The next step is much harder to predict, though. Are the masses finally fed up with being exploited en fooled and will they take to the streets to demand which is lawfully theirs: Obamacare? One should hope so, but signs of that are not there, I'm afraid.
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 11:58 am
THe Repugs have painted themselves into a corner...morons! I was horrified to see my NE rep on MSNBC as all the Repug Idiots walked out after voting to shut down the govt. He was laughing and joking. I left him a scathing message today on his local phone voice mail that he is shameful - that he was elected to represent the people and he is failing miserably. I told him he and the House were a disgrace.
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 12:32 pm
"I was one of the many who voted Both. We were at least half right, although in this case, I would have preferred to be wrong on both."
Half right for now. It is still undecided whether the Republicanus/Teabaggers will yet again hold the nation hostage by not approving a debt ceiling increase. I suspect part of the answer to the second point may depend on how much flack they take and the duration of the shut down. Mind, they've never demonstrated that they care anything for what the people they claim to represent really want. If shit were brains, they'd be bloody geniuses.
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 4:14 pm
I'm afraid I was right too: "RepubliCONs will go to any lengths to Prove we don’t need Half of Government..they don’t realize THEY are the half we can do without! We MUST get rid of them – does anyone know how to build guillotines?" Now, seriously, how long do you think the shut-down will last? And, more importantly, how can I get a government grant to build guillotines During a shutdown?? Nothing helpful on the "Shut-down Facts" webpage!:(
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 6:10 pm
Despite the typos, Archie is right, these bastards, as I commented elsewhere, are only dancing to the tune of the corporate puppeteers who pay them.
Nonetheless, as Faust found out, when you choose to dance with the devil, you pay.
BTW, any horesshit they have, or may put out, about the dangers of interfering with the Free market, as thay may paint Obmacare, is just that. History shows that the highly vaunted Free market only plays into the hands of the greedy, at the expense of everybody else when the greed caused bubble collapses.
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 10:10 pm
I voted "both" because they are so caught up in their "hubrus" that they don't realize how much they are losing and I sincerely hope the American public will finally "catch on" and stop listening to faux news.
Tuesday October 1, 2013, 11:43 pm
Will have to wait for the weekend to talk to my mother, one of those idiot voters who believe every lie told by the GOPTP...she feels sorry for me and the rude awakening I'll get when my blinders come off. I aways thought she was smart, until now.