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Son of Citizens United


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Class Warfare, Moyers, SCROTUS, Video )

TomCat
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TomCat S. (231)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 2:12 am
If you think that Citizens Unites was the most that the fascist five Injustice of SCROTUS (Republican Constitutional venereal disease) could to to give more electoral power to the 0.1%, you thought wrong. There is now a case before the Court, McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, to raise the amount a billionaire can contribute in the aggregate from $123,200 to $3.5 million per cycle. Herr Scalia said $3.5 million isn’t a lot of money!!
 

Gloria picchetti (300)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 4:00 am
G-d forbid the poor should be helped.
 

Terrie Williams (773)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 4:46 am
ROFLMAO…..Constitutional VD…….LMAO. Very apt, Cat Daddy, very apt for these Fascist Bast**ds. CU 2.0 will be the death of the American PEOPLE's say in anything concerning politics or what happens to them in their lives because of bought and paid for CORPORATE WHORES posing as our 'representatives'. It will be full-blown Fascism then and we can all kiss our country and its heritage goodbye….or will it be….good buy?…..Either way, the American people will be and are being screwed. Goodnight America.
 

Pat A. (116)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 5:44 am
They are UNbelievable! Completely beyond polite description! Thanks TC.
 

JL A. (276)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 7:28 am
When you have a lot of money, a lot of money seems like an ordinary amount of money
 

Lona Goudswaard (79)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 7:50 am
If this really is going to happen, I thing the Democratic party should change its name, because then the US is no longer trying to hide that it's a plutocracy driven by the corporate 1%. If SCROTUS drops this last veil, it openly acknowledges that there is no such thing as democracy within the borders of the US.
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 9:12 am
Scalia makes that much and more from the speeches he gives during the off season from his day job. This is the most corrupt Justice we have ever had. He gives speeches about issues that will come before the Court and tells people what he will do. Why this man has not been impeached is beyond understanding. His manner and ways would get a "normal" practitioner disbarred. Why not this bigoted fool? When will we be rid of this albatross? Just let it be soon.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 9:58 am
Bill Maher did an excellent tirade against Scalia this past week - the man has no business being a supreme court justice....I don't know how he gets from room to room with that big head of his. And yes, if this bill passes, we will become the United States of the One Per Cent.
 

Chris C. (151)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 10:42 am
Makes me sick - to have corrupt Justices on the Supreme Court!
 

Dave C. (227)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 11:15 am
don't know which is sicker.....SCOTUS Corruption or the video on your Open Thread....I think the latter,just heard Michelle Bachmann again........
 

Louise D. (38)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 12:00 pm
I think it should be pointed out that Veneral diseases are nothing to clap about. Still, the way that the Republican party has managed to hold not only the country but the world to ransom. Yet this is a political cycle that occurs every two hundred years and is due to a greedy elite who control the coffers spending spiralling out of control until it cannot be maintained. The general solution for this type of behavior is the tried and tested antibiotic of violent revolution usually resulting in Conservative elements hanging from lamp posts. So it will most likely be a common site in a while to see the lamp posts garnished with the bloated corpses of Republican senators and congressmen who caused the situation. As for the son of Citizen united it will most likely blow up like a can of worms.
 

Vivian B. (158)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 12:20 pm
SCROTUS has shown their true colors now. They will drag the country through the bar-ditches and the sewer in their ill-disguised plot to undo all the progress we have made in the last 250 years! The downfall of the greatest democracy in modern times will be traced back to the unpopular and ill-advised decisions that they have handed down.
There is no way that the election process can be fair and unbiased with the billionaires buyin the people they want in office.
They may have the money to buy the election, but if we, as a people, ban together, we will be able to VOTE for the people that we can honestly trust!
We must make this decision a non-event! We just have to help the people that want to vote be able to reach the polls to vote for their chosen candidates! We must make the Son of Citizens United just another useless waste of the courts time!
Help.get out the vote! Help people get registered to vote! Help them.reach the polls! Help in any.way.you can and make this the election the highest turnout ever in the history of the United States and make the rethuglicans eat their money!
 

Jason R. (66)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 12:38 pm
Will they revisit and reevaluate Aloto's "not true" statement to O? Or will they call on us to amend the constitution. Fat chance at that, eh? If only a recall was simple.
 

Marianna molnar woods (9)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 1:27 pm
thanks
 

Dotti Lydon (112)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 1:56 pm
Read and noted.
 

Robert B. (58)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 2:39 pm
Herr Scalia proves that he is incompetent as a Supreme Court Justice when he says 3.5 million is not a lot of money. How the Hell does this moron think lower income citizens can compete with that? It's obvious that this fascist has absolutely no respect or consideration for the average citizen. He does not seem to comprehend what a Democracy is all about. He does not seem to understand the law nor the Constitution. Has he been paid off? Maybe there should be an investigation into his personal finances. He needs to step down or get removed from the bench. He does not represent the true ideals of this country.
 

Birgit W. (152)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 4:28 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 4:45 pm
"Why this man has not been impeached is beyond understanding." Well, yes, but pretty simple really. Impeachment of a Supreme Court justice must be initiated in the House of Representatives. Nuff said. As long as we are where we are, no point in even thinking about whether the Senate might convict.
 

Gary A L. (137)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 7:59 pm
the facist five all need to be impeached thats one more reason to double down and win back the house
 

Sherry D. (47)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 9:10 pm

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"Americans have put up with criminal sedition from the Kochs and Republicans for too long and they cannot be held to a different standard or above the law because they are rich and powerful. In fact, their violation of the U.S. Code may well be the easiest, and only, means of stopping their continued assault on America’s representative democracy. Obviously the Koch brothers were rattled by charges they were behind the government shutdown through their funding efforts to hold the government hostage in exchange for eliminating the ACA or they would not have written a letter lying about their involvement. But they, their think tanks, PACs, and cohort in Congress and the states cannot deny they are guilty of seditious conspiracy to “oppose the authority of, or prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States” and no American should be satisfied until they are fined or imprisoned for twenty years. If there is any justice left in this corrupt nation, they will get both."
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Sunday October 13, 2013, 11:13 pm
"…McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission, a case that could have a huge impact on the way money influences our democracy."

Money influences democracy? I would say it is more like money buying "democracy"…

Democracy — "The term originates from the Greek δημοκρατία (dēmokratía) "rule of the people",which was coined from δῆμος (dêmos) "people" and κράτος (kratos) "power" or "rule"…

Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally—either directly or through elected representatives—in the proposal, development, and creation of laws. It encompasses social, economic and cultural conditions that enable the free and equal practice of political self-determination."

… the only problem, what money is buying is not democracy (demos=people) but rather money buying "corporatocracy" (corporat= corporations). Citizens United took care of giving corporations personhood, and their money became "free speech".

Corporatocracy — "… is a term used as an economic and political system controlled by corporations or corporate interests…. Economist Jeffrey Sachs described the United States as a corporatocracy in his book The Price of Civilization. He suggested that it arose from four trends: weak national parties and strong political representation of individual districts, the large U.S. military establishment after World War II, big corporate money financing election campaigns, and globalization tilting the balance away from workers."

Huge sums of money already influence American politics, more so I believe than in any other country. Citizens United extended that money further by allowing corporations to influence politics with their money. But there still are limits on the amount of money that can be used. McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission seeks to remove the cap on the amount of money one person can (or corporation) can donate to a political campaign.

If we subscribe to "money = power", then McCutcheon v. Federal Election Commission could, if upheld by SCOTUS, turn a representative democracy, not to a corporatocracy, but to a plutocracy or an oligarchy, because it would be only the very rich, the 1% of the 1%, that would be in effective control.

"Plutocracy (from Greek πλοῦτος, ploutos, meaning "wealth", and κράτος, kratos, meaning "power, dominion, rule"), also known as plutonomy or plutarchy, defines a society or a system ruled and dominated by the small minority of the top wealthiest citizens. "

"Oligarchy (from Greek ὀλιγαρχία (oligarkhía); from ὀλίγος (olígos), meaning "few", and ἄρχω (arkho), meaning "to rule or to command") is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, or military control. "

One thing I found interesting, and I think it could also go to how the PACS etc are set up for IRS purposes, was a comment that Heather Gerken made late in the interview.

"I think the better way to think about it is there's always going to be money in politics. But it matters where the money goes and how it gets there. So just to give you an example, even with independent spending which has been really terrible in the last few years, if we could trace where the money came from, that would make a big difference.

If when you see one of these ads run by Americans for America and it seems really wonderful and it tells you how great coal is, I think if people — and people hear Americans for America and they think it's just an ad. I think if people heard at the end of that ad, this was paid for by the coal industry, they'd think differently about the ad."

In my mind, that also goes to removing any anonymity for political contributions. For example, aggregate political contributions more that $1,000 automatically should mean that the donors name becomes public, not sheilded.

Another comment that Bill Moyers made at the beginning of the show while describing the current shutdown situation

"This was an inside job by dissidents of long-standing, who, having slipped to minority status, attempted a coup d’état against majority rule.

Unfortunately that is still under way.
 

Karen Chestney (110)
Monday October 14, 2013, 12:34 am
I've been reading about this & Don't like it. Citizens United is bad enough ! THIS would be just down rite awful ! I don't have much trust in The Roberts' Court.....but...then...you just don't know What Roberts will do. Will be following this issue.
 

TomCat S. (231)
Monday October 14, 2013, 1:32 am
Thanks to all and kudos to many. I must disagree with one comment. Violence is not the answer. If we rely on guns for political solutions, we'll become Republicans.
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Monday October 14, 2013, 2:16 am
noted
 

James Maynard (68)
Tuesday October 15, 2013, 1:27 pm
$3.5 million isn't a lot of money to a billionaire,
but it would certainly make a difference in my
humble world.
 
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