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Open Thread - 10/14/2013

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Elle B (84)
Monday October 14, 2013, 3:39 am

“While the invisible hand looks after the private sector, the invisible foot kicks the public sector to pieces.”
― Herman E. Daly

"For it is an absurdity to call a country civilized in which a decent and industrious man, laboriously mastering a trade which is valuble and necessary to the common weal, has no assurance that it will sustain him while he stands ready to practice it, or keep him out of the poorhouse when illness or age makes him idle." -- H.L. Mencken

"The decadent international but individualistic capitalism in the hands of which we found ourselves after the war is not a success. It is not intelligent. It is not beautiful. It is not just. It is not virtuous. And it doesn't deliver the goods.” ― John Maynard Keynes

Danuta W (1249)
Monday October 14, 2013, 3:43 am

Lona Goudswaard (80)
Monday October 14, 2013, 7:22 am
Good to see that you can cherry pick, TomCat, between al the articles and clips in which the Republican rhetoric is debunked and those parroting it in order to have an excuse for hurting their workers are 'punished'. The trouble with hurting those greedy CEOs where it hurts the most, is that almost always the people working there out of necessity, will also get hurt even more by loosing their job. It may have been a terrible job, but a source of desperately needed income nevertheless. So keep your fingers crossed that the top of Papa John’s and Applebee’s sees the light, and give their workers the healthcare they are entitled to, before they crash completely and all lose their jobs.

If the shut down continues because only Boehner can now stop it (how the hell were they able to change the rules?) and he won't , and the debt ceiling is not raised either, the Republicans may get their wish after all: the US will not have to withdraw from the UN as the Nazis did, but gets kicked out, because it can't pay their long overdue contributions and are a terribly bad risk.

Terrie Williams (798)
Monday October 14, 2013, 8:15 am
Cat Man, I have no head or brain left to smack on the table at this point…..although I could substitute falling to the floor in a heap of dead faint. But I would be very hard pressed of having to get up again without assistance.

P A (117)
Monday October 14, 2013, 8:50 am
So it seems to be (to my migraine) that it is one …. 'man'…. Boehner, who is holding the whole country to ransom over this vote…. off to pray…

PS - as with the other items you have posted on this subject, just about everyone deserves a star per post!

Pat B (356)
Monday October 14, 2013, 9:37 am
Re: Daily Kos and John Boehner. Reminds me of that 1984 song by Twisted Sister, 'We're Not Gonna Take It No, We Ain't Gonna Take It, Oh We're Not Gonna Take It Anymore"!!! People are sick and tired of what's going on. Hope it gets better quick.! Have a good day, and Thanks, Tom.

Dotti L (85)
Monday October 14, 2013, 9:42 am
Read and noted with interest.

JL A (281)
Monday October 14, 2013, 11:25 am
Another parallel TC: Hitler defaulted on their debt as he progressed to taking power...very scary parallels increasing with time

Joanne Dixon (38)
Monday October 14, 2013, 12:55 pm

5:55. I think I'll go play with my 336 piece "Fountain at the Phuket Zoo." At least the pieces lock.

Reich: "So why are Republicans talking like this? Because they want to sound as if they’re willing to blow up the economy if they don’t get their way. A crazy person with a bomb is much scarier than someone holding a bomb who looks and acts reasonable." Also, "If we get to October 17th and the Republicans are still holding the nation hostage, the President has only one option: He must ignore the debt ceiling and order the Treasury to continue to pay all the nation’s bills. (para) He should rely on Section 4 of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which says the “validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law … shall not be questioned.” The debt itself is clearly “authorized by law” because it’s the direct result of laws authorizing the U.S. to spend and to tax. The showdown over the debt ceiling is over payment of the debt, not the legality of the debt itself. Arguably, what the Constitution requires trumps any law governing the debt-ceiling." How I love Robert Reich. How is his movie doing, anyone know?

Wheat allergy makes Papa John's impossible for me even if he were the world's greatest progressive (ha!). Applebee's at least serves a few things I can eat more or less safely. But not now.

Compromise. Hmmm.

David C (131)
Monday October 14, 2013, 1:55 pm
If the GOP actually did all their conniving, trickery and treachery to help people then I wouldn't have so much to read or comment on......

Robert B (60)
Monday October 14, 2013, 6:11 pm
If Boehner thinks that people who don't get their SS checks are just going sit there and take it, he's got a BIG surprise coming. Because they are going to come for his head. The man is an utter jackass if does not let the house VOTE!

Sheila D (28)
Monday October 14, 2013, 8:18 pm
Thanks for the post TomCat. I'm blown away by my Representative's response to a letter I sent. This is the rhetoric Representative McClintock (R. CA) puts out. Part of his letter follows:

"Despite our efforts in the House, Congress has been unable to agree to a spending bill, resulting in a partial government shutdown. T he House passed three separate packages that would have continued funding the government and avoided a shutdown . Each of these measures would also have protected the American people from the devastating effects of Obamacare. This law is causing individual's healthcare premiums to soar, their insurance company or employer to drop their plan, or resulting in their hours being cut at work.

Unfortunately, despite repeated concessions from the House, the President and the Senate have refused to consider negotiations. Our nation has developed and refined a process to resolve differences between the House and the Senate when the two bodies reach an impasse: each body is to appoint conferees to negotiate a middle ground on the points of disagreement. After passing three different compromise measures to fund the government only to see the Senate reject each with no plan of its own, the House acted on September 30 to appoint conferees to negotiate a resolution. T he Senate has refused to engage and will not agree to appoint conferees, and as a result the government entered a funding lapse and partial shutdown on October first.

I will continue to work with my colleagues in the House to enact appropriations and to protect American families from the most devastating effects of Obamacare. Such a resolution, though, will continue to depend on the Senate and the President agreeing to reasonable negotiations. "

Obviously, they just can't stop now that they've started.

Karen Chestney (112)
Monday October 14, 2013, 9:06 pm
OH---My head hurts !!! I keep trying to make sense out of th Repubs. actions--but, there is NO logic there ! YES Republicans are 100 percent to blame for this mess. They ignore facts & EXPERTS & truth. If default happens ---so many people will be warmed--as will our Country. It would be devastating !!! Their HATE is so all consuming. just can't wrap my head around their behavior. I think The Republicans have ALL gone insane---OR---They've all been given a bi-lateral lobotomy !!! Someone ---Please save us from the STUPID PEOPLE !!!

Lynn S (235)
Monday October 14, 2013, 10:42 pm
Puzzle — 3:15 That cactus juice electrified me! Will I now be short circuited by the Patty Masher?

Religious Ecstasy — Poor pussy cats. Run over by a horse.

Alternet — Oh My! I could talk about all of these but I won't. But truly, the devil is in the details. And speaking of the devil . . .

“He’s [the devil] a real person. …" — Yeah, and his name is Antonin Scalia. Scalia, a conservative activist Injustice of SCOTUS is wacko!

Truly, it is very evident after reading the pronouncements of these Republicanus/Teabaggers, that they are all ready for a rubber room. They are so demented, out of touch with reality, that they are a danger to everyone, including themselves.

Daily Kos — Love it! Well deserved!

"Hopefully that shuts up the idiot CEOs of other chains who shudder at the thought of having to raise the prices on their goods a few cents to do what they should have already been doing: providing their full time employees with healthcare."

MSNBC — Amazing! Changing the rules and not making it known, just so the Republicanus/Teabaggers can engineer a shutdown and try to make it look like the work of Democrats.

My momma always said to us "Gi'me, gi'me never gets!" Boehner and the Republicanus/Teabaggers need to talk to my mother!

Cartoon — "…is it any wonder that Republicans keep disparaging and promote withdrawal from the UN?"

Not at all surprising.

James Maynard (84)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 12:54 pm
“Sounding crazy is part of the Republican bargaining strategy.”

Now that makes for a scary Halloween!
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