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Open Thread - 10/15/2013

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread )

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Lona G (80)
Tuesday October 15, 2013, 6:53 am
We already knew the the reverse-Dixiecrat solution was the only viable solution a few days ago, but now it is clear that Boehner has taken dictatorial control of the House the Republican way., i.e. by cheating and changing the rules when no one was looking (oh, how this man reminds me of Berlusconi) it is also clear that he's not going to back down soon. He is dangerously stupid, but not that stupid not to understand that he loses all if he puts the clean CR to the vote. He IS to blame for it ALL and will get what he deserves and probably gets blamed for everything the Teabaggers have wrecked too, because that's how the old boy's clubs everywhere really work. If someone falls from grace, they'll spring-clean and dump all the waste from their own out-houses on him or her.

Some Republican offices may now be for the Democrat's taking, but the new elections are still very far of and the dust'll probably have settled by then. And even if the Democrats get more votes in - as Paul Krugmann also said - as long as you don't have a system of one-man-one-vote, you need a landslide of Democratic votes to leave the GOP rendered harmless. I hate to take dull your silver lining, TomCat, but The US needs more changes if this blackmailing and hostage taking isn't going to pop-up time and time again.
Then it's not Karma biting anyone in the a$$ but Plutocracy.

JL A (281)
Tuesday October 15, 2013, 7:11 am
"Vulture capitalists got so greedy that they forgot that..." When you are pulling the strings, you really need to make sure you have the full control of the strings and allow the time it takes to reel it in. Unfortunately the puppets have the power without sufficient restraints and are like children in a chocolate factory playing with everything without having the faintest ideas of the consequences believing themselves to have no responsibility whatsoever, just power to play. In honor of the season I'll use this parallel, it is like the creator of Frankenstein when the monster escaped the castle and wreaked havoc.

P A (117)
Tuesday October 15, 2013, 9:34 am
OUCH! Paul Krugman's analogy is really accurate, isn't it! Oh my!

I do hope that Virginia elects a Democrat – what a joy that would be…

I also hope you get some sleep TC – to be constantly disturbed by a noisy neighbour is just awful. BTW – I didn't get any email from you about these news items – and neither did I get notification on C2 about one sent me by another C2 friend (but I was told about it on personal email, so I found it – but for some reason wasn't allowed to reply on it) – presumably C2 is having a little hiccup!

Kit B (276)
Tuesday October 15, 2013, 10:31 am

As we expect, Krugman hit the nail a with hammer. Some how we are expected to jump with joy if this "deal" is accepted. I am concerned that this ignominious group in the House. that is should they deign to consent to a compromise, will not pay the price of losing the privilege of serving the people. A task they have well proven they are not able to accomplish, neither intellectually nor morally.

Lynn S (235)
Tuesday October 15, 2013, 1:17 pm
Puzzle — 2:57 Does that bring back memories of bruised and bleeding knuckles! Horse chestnuts on a shoelace at a single pace, dueling to the death of the chestnut (splitting!) or the retreat of the kid warrior!

NY Times — Krugman, as usual, is spot on!

"I do not think that word “compromise” means what Mr. Ryan thinks it means. … failed to offer the one thing the White House won’t, can’t bend on: an end to extortion over the debt ceiling."

Mr Obama previously made mention of the requirement NOT to bend to these terrorist tactics for the sake of future presidents, no matter the party affiliation, and future generations. And I agree with him. It isn't just Paul Ryan who does not know the meaning of the word compromise. It is all the Teabagger fanatics who would rather dump the US economy and financial systems, along with worldwide economies, in the toilet.

"…our current state of dysfunction looks like a chronic condition, not a one-time event. "

With the idea that a compromise might provide a 6 week raising of the debt ceiling so that, ostensibly, legislators have more time to come to a compromise, is further proof of the "chronic disease" of dysfunction that eats away at effective government. They have not been able to come to an agreement so far, and I believe they never will. There has to be a desire by both parties to solve the problem, and to that end, there is no desire shown by the Teabaggers. Their idea of compromise is "I get everything I want, and you get what you want if you want what I want". The Teabagger fanatics are a cancer that must be excised from the government before it metastasises and kills the nation.

MSN News — The silver lining indeed!

"But in a part of the country that has drifted from solidly red to solidly purple, polls suggest the statewide electorate would sooner vote for a candidate who may strike them as smarmy than one allied with the Republican Party's most extreme politicians."

Extremism does not cut it. The minority Teabaggers in Washington are holding the majority of the country hostage, and voters in Virginia might just be saying "Go to hell Teabaggers!".

Truthdig — Well if the "great minds" of business are getting jittery, or downright scared, because of the shutdown and pending default, it is time for them to step to the plate and exert some significant pressure on the idiots that they financed. I note that Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway supported Ted Cruz in the last election. Was that the board's decision, or Buffet's? Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing?

"…Rep. Ted Yoho, R-Fla., a tea party freshman whose outspoken stupidity on a default’s potential benefits, such as an improved U.S. credit rating,…"

This is just too funny . . . well if it weren't so damn sad. The prime reason for the credit rating downgrade the last time was the fractiousness of the federal government. That has only become worse over time. The fanatical conservative ideologues will be the ruination of the US.

Cartoon — 130 years later and SCOTUS is the same, albeit, not exclusively, thanks to the four liberal Justices.

Lynn S (235)
Tuesday October 15, 2013, 1:22 pm
"…guilt that some poor Canadian could not be thankful yesterday, being deprived of ownership by a fine fellow like me. "

I hear that ownership of Ted Cruz is up for grabs, and there are many who think he is a Canuck. Put a leash and muzzle on him and you would have the gratitude of the entire nation!

TomCat S (128)
Wednesday October 16, 2013, 1:26 am
Thanks everyone. Tick-tick-tick

Nancy B (63)
Wednesday October 16, 2013, 7:01 am
can not work on care2 any more , no longer can access my groups

David C (129)
Wednesday October 16, 2013, 7:16 am
greed kills.

David C (129)
Wednesday October 16, 2013, 7:17 am
sadly I am having same troubles as Gloria, reported to care2 and no answers back...I hope everyone having trouble is reporting it to them....

Dotti L (85)
Wednesday October 16, 2013, 7:25 am
Gloria, so sorry you are having problems with Care2 (who would have thunk?) Would hate to see you go. You have a lot to contribute. I had a problem a couple of years ago. Joined Care2 Feedback and Suggestions. All I got from them was an admonishment for posting my problem in the wrong place. After a year, it finally righted itself. Good luck, my friend.

Arielle S (313)
Wednesday October 16, 2013, 9:00 am
Care2 is huge and I'm guessing they get their share of hackers and troublemakers - it's hard to be patient with anything right now, but I hope you guys will wait it out.... you're all important here! As for the miserable bunch running our country.... today we voted for a councilman and I said to a man waiting, "I wish we were voting on Congress" - he said, "I just hope everyone is still angry when the next election comes". I know I won't forget this and I doubt many will - let's hope even the big bucks guys remember because they are starting to get nervous now, too (which just proves every cloud has a silver lining).

Athena F (131)
Thursday October 17, 2013, 3:07 am
So behind on reading. Too much to juggle right now. Finally got around to this and appreciate it. :)
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