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In Surrender, They STILL Don't Get It!


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: GOP Incompetence, InsaniTEA, sedition )

TomCat
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TomCat S. (231)
Friday October 18, 2013, 2:29 am
In at least eight occasions between the beginning of September and the end, I posted in articles here and in too many comments to count, here and elsewhere, that Republicans would cave-in, rather than further damage their brand by defaulting on our debt. I’m not bragging. It did not require rocket science. Had they applied a bit of rational thought, Congressional Republicans could have avoided this whole thing. Have they learned their lesson?
 

Gloria picchetti (300)
Friday October 18, 2013, 2:58 am
No lesson was learned. In fact they are more dogged to point out the mounting debt that is crippling their grandchildren. Funny thing is their grandchildren are trust fund babies with no cares.
 

Autumn S. (154)
Friday October 18, 2013, 2:59 am
They never will learn, sad but true. Thanks for posting, TC
 

Elle B. (82)
Friday October 18, 2013, 3:09 am
Ty Tom.

It won't stop anytime soon unless the "true majority" of We The People puts them in their proper place. Behind the public scene it is a "Members Only" Revolution Club. Non-member citizens are THE ENEMY. Their major and preferred method of combat is "Guerrilla Warfare." The Congressional Charades we are witnessing are considered "battles" in their revolutionary efforts. They have been organized nationally for decades, and. . . will "never stop." In most of their minds it is GOD's WILL. It would be wise to call them out on the carpet ASAP and address their ill-minded actions for what they truly are before the damages are irreversible... if they are not already. When their members say they are engaged in "a revolution" on national media very frequently...it would be wise for the majority to take them at their word...they're "dead serious..."] Large numbers of misguided toddler-minds with fantastic fanatical ideologies who believe they are soldiers taking "their" country back to make it the Christian Nation that God and the founders intended. They are capable of and will do irreparable harm if allowed to continue. . . [NOTE: This is not some conjured personal analysis. . .i was told this on many occasions by organizers, ie. television/radio station owners, pastors, political leaders, et al...in meetings at CHURCH...beginning over 2 decades ago.] "Tea Party" is a stolen brand. . .an opportunist facade. . .

“The obvious types of American fascists are dealt with on the air and in the press. These demagogues and stooges are fronts for others. Dangerous as these people may be, they are not so significant as thousands of other people who have never been mentioned." ― Henry A. Wallace, Fmr. U.S. Vice President

"Only the mob and the elite can be attracted by the momentum of totalitarianism itself. The masses have to be won by propaganda." —Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, 1951
 

Jennifer C. (169)
Friday October 18, 2013, 5:41 am
Thanks.
 

JL A. (276)
Friday October 18, 2013, 6:08 am
And the first thing the House did after was to vote to reduce how much SNAP/food stamps people can get--so they still want to starve poor people like those working the minimum wage jobs so their campaign contributors can increase their profits and move up the wealthiest in the world list.
 

pam w. (191)
Friday October 18, 2013, 7:08 am
VOTE THESE FOOLS OUT OF OFFICE! SEND A MESSAGE!

Problem solved.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday October 18, 2013, 7:16 am

In Kindergarten and first grade many children begin the day by singing "Put on a Happy Face" they don't need to sing the full song, just a verse or two and the children begin the day with a smile. Fast forward to our Republicans in Congress that have just suffered an embarrassing defeat that may (with a little luck and an angry electorate) cost them seats. Of course, they too are putting on a happy face. Golly, we sure tried to Save the American people from Obama care, we lost this time but we have to try again. We see so much time focused on the major loud mouth, Cruz but there are others within the House that still believe that defeating Obama care will lock in their seat in 2014.

Will they shut down the government? This might just be the most important defeat they suffered with this display of childish behavior. Congress by law does have important duties for the budget, just a part of the checks and balance system. This bill that has passed both houses prevents one power the House no longer possesses they can no longer arbitrarily shut down the government.

For reasons beyond the grasp of most logical minds, the media continues to give time to what that obstructionist Ted Cruz says. Last night,I caught part of Lawrence O' Donnell. Finally, someone that used the words of Ted Cruz to show what a blatant, intentional liar, is embodied in Ted Cruz. Cruz referred to Erza Klein asking for Obama to at least suspend Obama care for a year. Erza was on the show, laughed and wonder when he said anything near that, most important is that Cruz was claiming that Klein wrote this in the Washington Post, not only was I surprised (I read Erza Klein) but Klein made the statement that his articles are available for any reader. He did not say that nor does he agree with the idea of suspending this program that already has nearly one million people signed up in California, more in Oregon, New York state and so on.

If the computer glitches are over come in the next month or so, I do believe the Congress, specifically the House will lose this shiny toy. People are trying to sign up each day, and each day the system is improving, but this opening two weeks was a disaster. That however, is not indicative of the what the program itself will do for the American people.
Thanks TC.
 

tasunka m. (338)
Friday October 18, 2013, 7:25 am
Ya can't FIX stupid
Thanks TC
 

Robert B. (58)
Friday October 18, 2013, 7:31 am
The amazing thing is that these political hacks will outright lie and their followers refuse to acknowledge that they are lying.
 

Carlene V. (203)
Friday October 18, 2013, 7:33 am
Too lost in their lies, they haven't learned yet why they lost the last 2 elections and at the rate their defeating themselves almost every time they open their mouths, it will happen again. Thanks to them, I can hope for more Democrats to win in 2014 and possibly another Democrat Pres. in 2016, it's all good as they keep up with their clown show.
 

Terrie Williams (773)
Friday October 18, 2013, 8:12 am
Cat Man, ya have ta remember yer talkin bout the 'don't need no ejemakatshun' party....they steadfastly REFUSE to LEARN anything.....and Lawd forbid they actually RETAIN anything TRUTHFUL in their po lil ole minds.....if you want to call them that. They are PROUD to be WRONG on just about EVERYTHING. They are WILLFULLY IGNORANT...so NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, they have, will not, refuse ta dew it, won't be having it and absolutely will go full-blown Orwellian.....DID NOT LEARN from this debacle. And their more-obtusely-steadfast-on-purpose-stupid brownshirt disciples, aka their constituency, are even worse.

So we will go down this contrived rabbit-hole yet again in three months. Like Tasunka says....ya can't fix STUPID....but we can vote them out. IF this country makes it to 2014.
 

Dave C. (227)
Friday October 18, 2013, 8:56 am
get out, vote, and not for the GOP.....
 

Pat A. (116)
Friday October 18, 2013, 9:06 am
"Agent Orange seems completely clueless about the harm that he and his party have done to this nation, and the right wing spin machine seems split between blaming Boehner and McConnell and declaring the shutdown a Republican victory. As long as the Republican Party holds any power anywhere, they will use it against the American people. "

I do so agree TC – and people have got to REMEMBER or be reminded before they vote! (I just don't understand how people forget this sort of behaviour!).
 

Lona Goudswaard (79)
Friday October 18, 2013, 10:24 am
If not for the debt ceiling, the Republicans would not have bowed out on Obamacare after so short a time. You've showed us some stunning examples of GOPers who were absolutely clueless about what a default would mean, TomCat, and they were just mere examples for a party that for the most had no idea what it entailed. If they had known, they might have timed the whole thing differently and would still be at it.

By the way, that the party who claims that America is on the verge of going broke because of its enormous debt didn't understand what defaulting would have done to the country, is beyond ironic.

But anyway, the Teabaggers are going to try again and in fact are still trying. Now that they have lost the ACA until 2017 as they themselves admitted, they've dug their talons in other social security, as was to be expected. It took them only hours to get this through a vote, so they were well prepared again. If you all think the GOP/TP is going to sit in a corner an lick its wounds, you are so very much mistaken. They've already begun their new assault.
 

Jim Phillips (3201)
Friday October 18, 2013, 10:37 am
Watch and listen to Rachel Maddow as she succinctly explains what the
gop pukes & teabaggers got.

Rachel Maddow Sums Up The Shutdown In One Incredible Graphic:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/17/rachel-maddow-shutdown-republican-chart_n_4114662.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

Ty, Tom.
.
 

Mitchell D. (132)
Friday October 18, 2013, 11:08 am
"It has hurt government employees and needy people...."
AND, the GOP does not give a rotten rat's ass about any of these folk.
There was no "good fight," there was no attempt at governance, there was an attempt at blackmail, a manipulation, worthy of second graders, and as would be the case with second graders, to expect the GOP to "Get It," is to expect the impossible.
To Cruze, and Boehner, et.al., this was just a strategy, undertaken in the normal course of business, that just did not work...this time.
 

Jeaneen A. (155)
Friday October 18, 2013, 11:16 am
Tea Party and the Republicans care about one thing MONEY!
 

Winn Adams (203)
Friday October 18, 2013, 11:18 am
I doubt if they ever will get it unless they are no longer voted into office. Once again I say vote all tea baggers and republicans out of office in every state at every opportunity.
 

Chris C. (151)
Friday October 18, 2013, 11:42 am
Congrats to Cory Booker, new Democratic NJ Senator. One Repug down, lots more to go, including the idiot REPUGS from my State, NE.
 

Karin Abraham (27)
Friday October 18, 2013, 7:07 pm
Noted. They didn't learn from previous history, so why would they learn when these past few weeks are tomorrow's history? People who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it, over and over and over .....
 

Vivian B. (158)
Friday October 18, 2013, 8:52 pm
This is one the dumbest, most expensive lessons in economy that the GOP/tp have given me. I am four square against ANY GOP/tp idiot, now more than ever! To think they would have let thus country be wiped off the map without even a whisk of their pen, is beyond belief!
They have no scruples and no morals! They say the are the "Christians"??? A real Christian would not bandy about with people's lives like they do each and every day!
 

Katie D. (111)
Friday October 18, 2013, 9:21 pm
Well they all showed what they are about and even made the other's in their own party look bad doing so! Then walk in an ignore what they have even done which accomplished Nothing but put the Government more in Debt doing this! Show them at the polls get them all out. Sure hope they are not going to ever do this again!
Thank You TomCat
 

Wayne W. (12)
Friday October 18, 2013, 9:25 pm
But, but, but, Ted Cruz declared victory. What will it take for Republican voters to understand that the Republican Party does not represent them?

Ted Cruz, born December 22, 1970, Calgary, Canada.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Friday October 18, 2013, 10:02 pm
“Our drive to stop the train wreck that is the president’s health care law will continue,” Mr. Boehner said …

…on Feb. 7, the Treasury will again hit the debt ceiling. That will be closer to the midterm political season, and the futility of trying to use default as a weapon should be a fresh memory for Republicans. But many in the party remain defiant, opposing this week’s deal and vowing to keep waging their crusade.

I take Boehner's words not as a threat, but as a promise. And the "seditious 80", at the very least, will remain defiant and committed to their domestic terrorism for as long as it suits their strategy.

Obamacare is not universal healthcare, but it is a step in the correct direction. It may not be perfect, but it is a step in the correct direction. And there may be administrative and technical glitches right now, but that happens everywhere. Testing systems before general release will only find so many problems. The biggest glitch is likely all to do with client load . . . too many people at the same time.

I rather doubt that the Republicanus/Teabaggers have learned their lesson. After all, have they not so far tried to repeal Obamacare 42 times prior to this last fiasco? They are ideologues, plain and simple. Their defiance in the face of this week's defeat is further proof that they care about ideology over national interests. I think the ultimate humiliation of the Republicanus/Teabaggers will come when they are defeated; thrown out of Congress; thrown to the curb to be picked up like last week's trash.
 

Edith B. (145)
Friday October 18, 2013, 10:20 pm
I hope enough Americans have paid attention and remember this debacle in 2014.
 

TomCat S. (231)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 1:37 am
Thanks everyone. Now it's our job to make sure folks remember this a year from now, on the eve of the elections.
 

Deb E. (63)
Saturday October 19, 2013, 11:21 am
The Republicans want to have a government of, by, and for CAPITALISM. They believed they had enough racists and people who believed the birth cert stories, and the "he's not a Christian he's a Muslim" stories to do it. They also believed he was weak and would never have stood strong against them. He called their bluff.

This wasn't a "good" fight. It was a game of chicken. It was a poker game. And it showed how very little the politicians in this country think about the people who pay their paychecks. I think of this country as a big chess board. We are the pawns. They are the knights and the rooks. The kings and queens? They are hiding so no one can see who they really are, because they do not ever want to worry about a checkmate. But I can just about guarantee that the money which funds these people comes from outside this country.

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. ”

— Franklin D. Roosevelt, April 29, 1938. Message to congress

The thing we have to learn from all of this is that the time for voting with a "statement" vote is not now. We have a two party system and we cannot veer from that until it is 100% possible that a non Dem or Repub can win an election. That means that as long as we have the electoral college, we cannot vote anything but Democratic if we want to defeat these people from taking over our country. That IS what they are doing, and their strategy is to divide the left in two or even 3. And they did it. So, now, we all have to come back together and get the Dems back into office. Vote Democratic. It is the only way to defeat them and get our country back on track. I am a Progressive ... but I see what they did, and I am not going to allow for that to happen again. Please vote Democratic.

 

TomCat S. (231)
Sunday October 20, 2013, 12:29 am
Very well said. Repeat it often in a year, please.
 
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