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Open Thread - 10/29/2013

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread, video )

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Lona G (80)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 6:38 am
A nice mix today, TomCat. I liked the web ad very much, but I'm afraid it will appeal mostly to Democrats who were going to vote for Alison Grimes anyway. GOPers will just be affronted by the accusation and back Mitch McConnell as usual because they actually like that he burns the house down. May the Democrats prevail.

Filibustering is one of the things I've come acquainted with these past months, but used to? I don't think I ever can because it's just one more way to sabotage democracy. So I'll keep my fingers crossed the Democrats finally have the guts to invoke the 'nuclear option'. Filibustering should be blasted from this earth once and for all.

I don't have to tell anyone here how mad the Europeans are about this this NSA continuing spying on us. It took a while, but since it has become known that the phones of 34 European leaders have been tapped and that some of it has been going on for years, the European community is finally gearing up for action. Obama may not have been aware that Merkel was spied upon by Bush, but he's been in power for six years now, so denying that he knew anything about it only makes matters worse. If he did know, he's lying outright, if he didn't know he's got absolutely no idea what the NSA is doing and he's got no control over them whatsoever. Take your pick, he's gone down in our ratings either way.

Robert B (60)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 7:38 am
I think it a bit naive to think that world governments are outraged about spying and phone tapping, since they all do it. I've heard of spying accusations by various parties all along. Any astute politician should know that nothing is secure and that what is said and written is not guaranteed to be private. It's a sad fact of life, ESPECIALLY in the digital computer age. It is justified? Of course not, but we should not act so surprised.

Pat B (356)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 7:52 am
TPM: A good video by Ms. Grimes, and the Cartoon this morning. Shame that you can't raise a ruckus with Mr. SoS., now wouldn't that be nice? Hope your move goes through quickly, for your sake. Take care, and thanks, Tom for this.

SuSanne P (193)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 9:05 am
Thank you TomCat. The video is excellent, short and to the point. I also hope the move goes through quickly for EVERYONE's sake. This is an outrage and even in it's infacy (((yeah right))) reminds me of a pebble that has run downhill for so long it is a boulder that 'may' not be stopped.

P A (117)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 10:57 am
I love your solution TC "Given the rate at which Republican political appointees burrowed-in to permanent “nonpartisan” positions at the NSA, and given the fact that spying on world leaders to that extent was a Bush program, it’s easy for me to believe that such details “escaped” inclusion in the summaries passed up to Obama. The French Ambassador summed it up best that we all do it, but he is jealous and angry that America does it better than everyone else. I have a solution. Make the NSA and swap IT Departments." Sheer genius!

JL A (281)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 11:26 am
Perhaps Bush era appointees should all be rotated to other departments in addition to IT staff?

David C (139)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 12:01 pm
sad to see that Mr. Obama is taking so much heat for spying that started years before he was President....several letters to the editor in our paper blaming him for spying since 2005 or earlier...and (a) unfortunately it sounds as if it has been continued and (b) Bush/Cheney & their cohort are no where to be heard or found (maybe this is good though)

James Maynard (84)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 1:15 pm
The whole spying outrage reminds me
of "Spy vs Spy."
Like your website solution as well.
Afraid the trolls got me on the bridge.

Joanne Dixon (38)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 2:25 pm
4:23. Sure, and wouldna those be wee leprechauns beneath the Rory O'More? No gold for me today.

I think enough Kentuckians are upset about the shutdown that this ad just might make a dent. "Guardian of gridlock" sounds much better to people who have not just been pinched by it..

I fear you are right on the judges, but I hope something unexpected will happen to get them confirmed.

The NSA is out of control, and so are the CIA and the FBI, and have been so always within my memory, and I am 68. What do you want to bet they are spying on Obama and Biden just like they are on foreign heads of state - and of course they have huge files on Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Al Franken, just to name a few.

Off topic, I realize Snowden and Manning have kind of put Kiriakou into the shade. But Firedoglake is requesting mail for him. TC, you probably got the email too and are intending to post this somewhere tomorrow.

Birgit W (160)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 3:03 pm
Noted, thanks.

Carlene V (202)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 4:20 pm
Perfect ad by Grimes, who should win. Wonder if there will be any funny stuff voter wise, you know those thugs hate to lose and this would be a big loss for them.

On spying, of course they are all up in arms. Expect a Congressional hearing next week by none other than the awful Issa who thus far has spent every minute trying to find something, anything against the Obama Admin. The fact that it was going on before Obama makes no difference at all, they are masters at wagging the dog.

JL A (281)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 7:17 pm
Spam flagged--perhaps the other independent ethics group the House funded to watch Issa's committee will soon issue a report on Issa himself?

Lynn Squance (235)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 8:33 pm
Puzzle — 3:21 The trolls didn't get you but the tolls did! You've just been Bigfooted, but have we all been Critter Crunched?

TPM — This ad kicks ass . . . Republicanus/Teabagger ass to be sure! Alison Grimes needs to kick McTurtle and the newcomer Teabagger pretender to the throne asses to the curb to be picked up with last week's trash!

Think Progress — Let's hope that the Nevada Leg-Hound remembers how good it felt to have Obama balls recently and uses them this time around to nuke the filibuster before the filibastards nuke the DC Court of Appeals nominations!

Raw Story — "Make the NSA and swap IT Departments." Amen TC! Amen!

Cartoon — NOW might have been created in 1966, but we're still marching, . . . and marching, . . . and marching . . . and marching . . . Has anyone seen EQUALITY?

@ JL --- Oh wouldn't that be just so delicious?

Spammer given 40 whacks with the axe!

TomCat S (129)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 1:36 am
Thanks everyone.

Lona, one of my criticism's of Obama is that he delegates too much authority and should oversee his administration more closely. However, keeping the President out of the loop, when it comes to "sources and methods" is nothing new. Roosevelt didn't know about purple code until a Japanese attack was imminent.

Jo, I replied at the site.

Karen Chestney (112)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 2:26 am
Ty, TomCat. Yes, Yes,...If you want to Ditch-Bitch Mitch....Vote for Alison Lundergan Grimes...She will stand for the people, not the 1%. Plus she's a Woman & a Dem. can't get better !!! ..... Nuke the filibuster ! Yes. Rant Paul is saying he will filibuster Janet Yellan's nomination......of course he will.!!!.......because he can....Nuke time ! Spying...they all do, we just do it better!!! ---Gread poater for NOW, TC ---but Repubs. are trying to push women backwards...which is why we are all---ALL---voting in 2014 & 2016 !!! We are Equal !

Gary L (138)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 8:59 am
thanks TC bought bitch Mitch needs to go as do all hatrack republicons

Gary L (138)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 9:01 am
I'm not so mad about spying on other governments but the mass surveillance of Americans must stop BTW hatrack means the only thing their heads are good for is to hold a hat on it

Terrie Williams (798)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 10:54 am
The old axiom aptly applies, as I have said for decades....our government does what we think only other governments do....Every. Single. Day. The faux outrage cracks me up but the sad fact is, so many will fall for it. Like Pat said above, the French dud is only furious because we do it better than everyone else the world....except maybe for the Russians...who are right up there with us. Notice one hears no outrage from Putin.....He's actually sitting in the Kremlin chuckling about this debacle. We just got caught at it. I got news for everyone too....we have been doing it all along and for DECADES. Can't say how I know but, back in the '60's I saw it going on up close and personal. So yeah, we are just a 'bad' as spy vs. spy.....and we are not necessarily the ones in white.

Love your idea Cat Man, switch them out and put them at fixed faster than one can do a complete Linda Blair!
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