Friday December 27, 2013, 12:28 am
It is popular among the young today to say they are Libertarian, because Libertarians are typically anti-war and pro-marijuana legalization. Sadly, most who identify with libertarianism do not realize that it is usually just a front for Republican InsaniTEA. Here is an article that projects some key Libertarian assumptions forward, so you can see the dystopias that would result.
Friday December 27, 2013, 3:27 am
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I was unfamiliar with the meaning of the term "Libertarian" in America and this has certainly been an eye opener. This comes very close to the views of the Liberals in the Netherlands who are in fact Right Wing there and have nothing to do with Democracy. They only thing they leave out is the pro weed and anti war. The first because weed has been legalized in Holland for years now, so it isn't an issue. And our Libertarians love a good war. They prefer to call it peacekeeping missions, but that doesn't alter it.
So your Libertarians turn out to be just as Right wing/Tea Party as ours. But by fooling the young with their pro weed and anti war they are far more dangerous than ours. They need to be exposed at every opportunity!
Friday December 27, 2013, 4:22 am
I think Rand Paul has done a lot to expose the illogic of modern Libertarianism in the US. Every time he speaks on social issues, from the increasing number of children and families in poverty to equality concerns for virtually any minority or oppressed group, he reveals himself as fundamentally backward thinking and intractable.
Friday December 27, 2013, 5:21 am
Libertarianism is another word used to cloak the term Anarchism. Both destroy any societal cohesion. Which, in their insane fevered gray matter that passes for a brain, it leads to Feudalism, which is in the end, is exactly what they want....the strong rule the weak, the weakest are left to die by the droves and what is left is their 'fodder' for wars, factories, human shields, etc. Sickening when one takes the logical end to their madness.
Friday December 27, 2013, 6:16 am
Great article, but oh, so scary! What is described is not civilization at all but civilization run amok - riots, dead people, murder, guns, a nightmare of epic proportions. I see no room for compassion or decency in these ideas. There is no beauty, no care, no love. If the GOP call this freedom, then "freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".
Friday December 27, 2013, 7:39 am
The new buzz word for those opposed to war and too young to know what else Libertarianism stands for when it applies to those like Paul Ryan and his illogical way of thinking. When you remove unemployment benefits from those struggling to find a nonexistent job they then need social services like food stamps and welfare to exist. How does Ryan, in his Ivory Tower explain that outcome?
Sure, take away employee rights, rights to a fair wage and look what you get? More people needing social welfare programs in order to eat and have a roof over their heads.
Fully explaining what a real Libertarians is lands Paul Ryan smack in the middle of a really disturbing way of thinking and not at all for the good of everyone. Hey, that rather describes the GOP too.
The first thing I ask "libertarians" is if they have read Ayn Rand, all of her work not just the overly idealized (*cough*) fiction, but her non-fiction as well. Many do not see a connection, ask them who are the non elected members and what do they represent, again the answers are either muddled by hyper-partisan rhetoric or a complete lack of understanding. They don't even know what The Objectivist is or was. Learn the history before you attached yourself to something. Libertarians are not the Tea bags or should I say were not, but then the Tea bag group thought (people on the street) they were just against increased taxes and that Muslim, Kenyan was out to destroy their Medicare and Social Security - a threat that still haunts them.
I don't really try to argue with these people, they have latched on to some potent propaganda that fuels their fires. Recently, one person said they would never be homeless. I wonder how many thought that as recently as 2007 and 2008? Middle class home owners all snug in their beds, then the world was turned upside down by callous and inept people in the financial world. Of course, that was not the fault of the corporations, it was THEM, trying to buy homes they could not afford. That the statement bears no resemblance to truth, has become irrelevant.
I best stop now before I begin a real rant. ---
The longer one is unemployed or employed at job that is classified as unskilled the less chance they have of ever returning to a career path they were trained for. What is to happen to those without unemployment benefits or such low paying jobs that choices must be made between food and rent? What is to happen to those who will no longer have SNAP? The majority of those people are the elderly and children.
How can we have lost all compassion?
Glad to see your on the mend, TC. I wish I could say the same.
In reality it takes courage, compassion and knowledge of the historical out comes to stand against war. Humans are war like and sad though it is, humans like war.
Though any one is free and able to look up the full history of marijuana and see clearly that the benefits far out weight the scandalous propaganda war waged against marijuana. If a weed has been made illegal - who benefits? Always follow the money. Any one that decides to look for truth beyond their preconceived ideas has the whole Internet at their disposal.
Friday December 27, 2013, 8:19 am
every 200 years or so
a society moves from being oppressed,to overcoming adversity,to stability
then the cycle repeats itself due to greed and anarchy,we are in the anarchy phase
scary,thanks TC,hope you are getting better,YOU TOO KIT!
My house in the NE flooded from a burst pipe, insurance won't cover it, I am presently in the process of donating it all to charity!!
Friday December 27, 2013, 8:43 am
“If the company’s leaders were told to act selfishly… they would run their divisions in a rational manner, boosting overall performance.”
Wrong. It turns out that people who are motivated to act out of self-interest will do whatever it takes to enrich themselves, even if that means damaging the entire society—in this case, the Sears “society”—in the process."
Far more than just wrong. We did not become the dominant species on this planet by fighting "competing" with each other, we did by learning to work together for the common good. That is how our species survived, by banding together in groups that were many times stronger than any of them individually could ever be. It is how we were able to hunt animals that could kill any individual easily, how we were able to defeat predators and establish communities. We are at our best when we work in loving cooperation and at our worst when living the nightmare those fools subscribe to. The rules government makes are what allows us to live peacefully together, that ensure a level playing field, or try to, so that the rich don't always take all there is. They are 180 degrees away from being right, their way would result in nothing but more pain and harm to individuals than they can imagine. How they can think history teaches any other lesson has always escaped me, and still does.
Friday December 27, 2013, 8:50 am
Just my thought, tasunka, I think we are in the tail-end of the greed phase, which, when the bubble bursts again on Wall Street--which it will and pretty soon--only this time it will be irreparable, then will come the anarchy. Why do you think the Bagger-Fascists up there in congress/corporate boardrooms want to kill Social Security, kill Medicare/Medicaid, kill off basically every single social compact they have with the people? It's to destroy everything we hold necessary and just and moral, so they can raid the funds and skip town. THAT'S when the full-blown anarchy is going to hit.
Friday December 27, 2013, 8:59 am
True Kit--purity of Libertarian would not have government intruding to prevent same sex marriage between consenting adults or on a woman's contraception or abortion choices or imposing a religious-based morality on others.
Friday December 27, 2013, 10:29 am
Whew - made it thru Christmas! I live in a red state with mostly Repub friends relatives. My nephew in law who was a Repub revealed that he is a Libertarian and is for very small government. (He was a Captain in the USAF at age of 24 and volunteered for and served at Desert Storm before he left the USAF). Hmmmmm. We are very fond of each other so we quietly agreed to disagree! He told me he no longer talks politics...nor do I. It is the fastest way to lose friends and family.
Friday December 27, 2013, 11:58 am
So many great comments. Libertarians, Tea Baggers and Republicans don't get it and unfortunately I doubt they ever will because they are unwilling to listen, think and look at the truth of what is happening to America. And, it's also about the over whelming greed of these people. I think some of the greed is due to a fear that they will never have "enough" to take care of themselves.
Friday December 27, 2013, 12:42 pm
When a fool lives on the corner of LaLa Lane and Clueless avenue, there is not much point in arguing with him. These teabaggers would be the first to take advantage of "Big Government" services if it benefited them personally. I don't see them refusing SS and I'm sure if they were to lose their jobs, they would be first in line for food assistance and anything else available from the Government. These people have a fantasy about self reliance without government that simply does not, nor can it exist.
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Friday December 27, 2013, 5:16 pm
Winn, you touch on something I have written about at C2: My belief that the greed of the right is connected to the fear that they can NEVER be safe, unless they have MORE!
yn Rand, and her idiotic "individual ubber alles!" point of view, as Gene so wisely points out, is totally senseless, it runs counbter to the history of the social evolution of the species.
Friday December 27, 2013, 6:28 pm
I've been talking to a few young people here in Florida about this Libertarian ideas. You are correct, they latch onto the anti war and pro-marijuana points without exploring deeper into things. My own daughter was all for Ron Paul, she doesn't use marijuana but she liked his anti war and end the Fed.
I too like those things as well. So little by little I brought to her attention some things that Ron Paul was also for and led her to some articles. It was an awakening and in the awakening she has moved away from that camp. Liberals tend to be anti-war as well as wanting the War on Drugs to end. If you listen to the youth, let them all talk and express why they are followers of that thought, then you ask some other questions, and listen, once you dig deeper a lot of them do not know or understand the full extent to what Libertarian is aiming towards. It usually has them saying thanks I'll check into this further.
Many people are learning, most understand we have a lot of issues we face, and people are seeking out the answers and solutions. We just have to be careful where we go for solutions....that may bring us to places that are worse than where we are today.
Friday December 27, 2013, 7:14 pm
Hey, every political party has its shortcomings. Maybe people gravitate towards Libertarians because they are the most visible and well-known third party. I have long identified myself as a Libertarian, but only because I am so effing fed up with both Democommunists and Republicanazis and their increasingly extremist platforms. This is no country for moderates! I am all for free enterprise, but realize all too well that we need some regulations.
Saturday December 28, 2013, 6:20 am
If you are burned out on both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party, which I am as well, and therefore I supported the Justice Party last Federal election. To me it fit what I was seeking.
In a Populist Movement, which is what we need, many will seek out the 3rd Parties. People keep saying that 3rd Parties never get in or is a vote to be wasted, however history tells us that it is usually 3rd Parties that begin to pull the two major Parties to a place that is much better for their own Party as well as the Country. Plus in my book, never say never, a 3rd Party, if a Corporate press ever let them speak, could be a true contender.
Another 3rd Party is the Green Party which has been around longer than the Justice Party. When everyone was voting for the lessor of two evils I was saying wouldn't it be nice if we had a choice of the better of two goods. That is how I viewed the Green Party and the Justice Party.
I'm pleased to see some individual Democrats that stand up for what I feel the Democrats should stand for. We have Alan Grayson, Elizabeth Warren, and Sherrod Brown as well as some others. People just need to keep voting in this caliber of individual so that Party can get back on track fully.
We have a great Independent in Vermont, Bernie Sanders........use him and the others as a beacon and we all can have a better Country. But we must get election reform to get money out of politics, a few wealthy should not hold sway over our elections. We need to stop the gerrymandering of districts and it must be in all States. We also need for people to have full access to vote and get rid of these laws that are making it harder for the people to vote. The only fraud that is happening on a major scale is the rigging of the elections, not individuals going to the polls.
Saturday December 28, 2013, 7:13 am
Unfortunately the quasi-religious bent of the original Libertarian philosophers has given the modern LTs a belief/faith approach that negates facts and thoughts that differ from their view. They have, particularly now, become the political equivalent of Cafeteria Catholics/Cafeteria Anarchists, picking and choosing what benefits their agenda while blithely ignoring problems in facts,practicality, pragmatism, and logic. Consider just the concept that racism and acts of racism, homophobia, misogyny, et alia are acts of free speech or freedom of religion. They are now concerned with 'small or no' government, regulation/taxes, only when it applies to the poor, the working poor, the old, the sick, the young, minorities, unions BUT not when it comes to the rich or corporations. Libertarians, at least for me, are less the bastard scions of Ayn Rand and far more the bastard scions of Adam Smith(The Wealth of Nations, 1776) who single handedly changed the Sin of Greed into the Second Son of God, that can do no wrong. They oppose socialism/the redistribution of wealth only when it flows in any direction except to those with wealth.
Saturday December 28, 2013, 8:31 am
Is pam w confusing Liberal and Libertarian? They are pretty well diametrically opposite. I consider myself very liberal and I loathe Libertarianism. And to Freya, I think it has been a very long time, if ever, since the Democrats were too liberal. I see the problem as being that the so-called center has shifted so far to the right that actual liberals are hard to find. A shift, incidentally, in which government itself has been complicit.
Sunday December 29, 2013, 12:29 am
Although both the Justice and Green parties have good ideas and good candidates, voting for either only increases the likelihood that the Republican in the race will win. With all the Hullabaloo about Rocky in 2012, he pulled less than 1% of the vote.