Sunday January 5, 2014, 1:57 am
Rachel Maddow and I have two things in common. From time to time we both screw up. When we do, we admit it, and correct the mistake. That, however is not enough some of the Republican Party’s richest secret donors. David and Charles Koch demanded that Rachel apologize and read a script to that effect, when she was telling the truth.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 7:28 am
Knowing how well Rachel's stories are researched, it's hard to imagine her getting something that large wrong. I applaud her for not backing down, and doing it in such a public manner.
To get really exact, at this point in time not one but two courts have struck down the drug testing; this is a short excerpt from that decision in the NY Times:
Judge Mary S. Scriven of the United States District Court in Orlando held that the testing requirement, the signature legislation of Gov. Rick Scott, a Republican who campaigned on the issue, violated the protection against unreasonable searches.
“The court finds there is no set of circumstances under which the warrantless, suspicionless drug testing at issue in this case could be constitutionally applied,” she wrote. The ruling made permanent an earlier, temporary ban by the judge.
I also wonder why it was not reported that Rick Scott owns the largest drug testing company in the state of Florida? Those who were forced to take these tests proved to using drugs in exactly the same amount or less than the general public (almost all were marijuana). All of this feeds into the very old and I think despicable thinking that those who need a helping hand, must be spending their days lying in a drug induced haze, when the truth is most of them are working or actively trying to find work. That pittance of government aid is far from being some happy bonus that will mean a spending spree of any kind, but might - help with food, rent or clothing.
Thanks to ALEC, and the group knew this was not legal, the drug testing has spread to many other states.
Rachel did offer an apology for the single meaningless mistake, and of all the commentators on the air, I believe she puts forward the effort to get her facts before speaking. She misspoke one word, she did not make a huge mistake, the body of the story was correct.
Just so you know I didn't cherry pick one article:
(Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Tuesday struck down a Florida law requiring drug screening for welfare recipients, saying that it violated the constitutional protection against unreasonable searches.
Florida Governor Rick Scott, a Republican who campaigned on a promise to expand drug testing, said he would appeal the ruling.
The law took effect in July 2011 and required parents to undergo and pay for urine tests for illegal drugs when they applied for Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, a federal-state program that helps poor people with children pay for food, shelter and necessities.
The testing fee of $25 to $45 was to be repaid by the state if the test came back negative, but applicants who tested positive would have been barred from receiving benefits for a year.
[....] Generally, the courts have allowed suspicion-less drug testing only when public safety is at risk, such as for armed officers or railroad workers who operate heavy equipment.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 10:40 am
"Rachel Maddow and I have two things in common. From time to time we both screw up. When we do, we admit it, and correct the mistake."
I couldn't agree more, TomCat. She doesn't mind making corrections, she is meticulous in her preparation, her analysis is always backed by demonstrable data, charts, interviews. She has the highest journalistic standards I have seen since the days of Edward R. Murrow, Chet Huntley and David Brinkley and the irreplaceable Walter Cronkite. Yeah, I think that highly of her. You do not see this virtually anywhere else, some facts, some interviews, some data - none as detailed or in depth as what Rachel does. Fox, well they just quote each other, and then report the quote as some have said, and on to, it has been reported that - and in the doing create their own facts. Ridiculous. That anyone could try to bring down Rachel Maddow over an error in her fact gathering is in deep doo doo. She's on the money trail and on the heels of the evil doers and they can't back her down. Rightly so. Because she is right, they are not. I'd love to see her as a candidate for anything. She says no, but I truly wish she'd reconsider, we could use a woman of her brilliance in office. Many of them.
Men have run things forever, and look where that has gotten us. Men have had their time in the spotlight, time to step aside and let women have their turn. My guess is that the Koch boys never take her up on that invitation. Because they are moral cowards as well as disparaging of anyone with the effrontery to aspire to something above the station in life to which they were born. Even given that they themselves, inherited their wealth, they did not earn it. They are the prime example of what is wrong with the 1% in this country. I wish the lot of them would take their wealth and move to Cuba or some other place that would take them, I think they and their tactics would go over well in Putin's Russia, they are no better than the Russian mob ethically as it is. We'd lose some money in the process, but we would go a long way to recapturing the soul of America and the ability to strive for the American Dream these lot are so harshly trying to take from everyone who is not them.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 11:01 am
That is why I like Rachael Maddow. She wouldn't join the growing list of "Koch suckers", as you, TC, so eloquently put it, for all the money (or threats) in the world. Wish we had more like her in the reporting arena. The fact that many common things people eat, or take as perfectly legal medications (some over the counter), can cause false positives on a drug test should make it so that no one can use the results of just one random drug test for anything.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 12:26 pm
no Rachel didn't apologize nor does she owe anyone an apology as a matter of fact the two kochsuckers themselves belong in jail where they would move the bar even lower than it already is
Sunday January 5, 2014, 12:40 pm
It is scary when there is such a blatant effort to control the message and the media by money to ensure the ability to buy more money in ways many would consider immoral and unethical.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 1:09 pm
There WERE two small concessions/apologies in the story.
1. Correction of the error that the Florida law was struck down by a Federal Appellate Court, it was a Federal DISTRICT Court
2. The Koch Brothers complained that Maddow's staff did not give them sufficient time to craft an appropriate response, which Rachel called a "fair point" and committed to giving them more time in the future.
That said, the tone was strident and unapologetic and entirely appropriate.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 1:09 pm
This wouldn't be the first time that someone has demanded an apology from Rachel Maddow for getting her facts right. I watch her show whenever I can stand to--but usually by that time of day I've had enough of politics, so for the sake of my sanity and blood pressure I don't always stay up.
At one point she seemed to be reading from the Tampa Bay Times, which makes me wonder--are they demanding a scripted apology from the Tampa Bay Times, too, or just from the Rachel Maddow show?
Sunday January 5, 2014, 1:47 pm
I saw that show - I always try to watch Rachel's show! It's a sure bet that receiving that request from the Koch Bros to read a special script when describing them gave Rachel Maddow a thrill beyond words and made her day! The fact that these guys are arrogantly STUPID enough to try this with her just made me laugh out loud...just like I'm sure she did! Thks for the gift, idiot Koch Bros!
Sunday January 5, 2014, 2:47 pm
I agree with you all.
I LOVE Rachel.
If she felt she was wrong in any way, she WOULD apologize and make certain she corrected her error. Since she had the facts in order....there of course was no need. For her to tell us about it...makes me love her even more.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 4:35 pm
@Gene, I second Carlene's comment!
The university funding is reminiscent of the study one of the clown brothers paid for, hiring a Professor Muller, himself a climate change denier, of course, to do an independent study of climate change. I think this happened in 2011.
After the study, Prof. Muller, became a climate change believer...but Mr. Kochsucker did not publicize the study results.
There are no ethics visible in their behavior, there is no socially redeeming value in their behavior, there is nothing but Nazi-like adherence to a drive to control, through propaganda, what they find might slow their accumulation of more wealth than either could ever need.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 4:42 pm
I watched this show, as I always watch Rachel. She read the letter she got from the Kochroaches' lawyer. They have a lot of nerve to try to intimidate her like they do our congressmen. Only she did cowtow so easily as they do. Good for you, Rachel, you tell it like it is. These 2 can slink off to their corners now.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 6:07 pm
Dr. Maddow is just making my new year Ab Fab. The coach/littlekochs cannot "handle the truth" and will distort any and all facts that should impede their monopolist intentions! The coach bros are to be feared and never, ever trusted. Their wealth and complicit willingness to buy either our politicians or made up "truth" is in their hands. The little evil brothers are a combination of the worst of William Randolph Hearst, McCarthy and Richard Nixon. The truth doesn't hurt but it can be very uncomfortable for US when dealing with how badly we are being manipulated! So Dr. Maddow, no apology required.
Sunday January 5, 2014, 8:31 pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again: how stupid these Koch brothers (and their lawyers) must be to try and bully a journalist of such high standing and prestige, into taking back her words and apologizing on camera by reading a prepared script. They truly must have no idea of whom they're dealing with, not know how far she would go to keep her journalism above reproach, otherwise they could have anticipated that she would use their ridiculous letter to make her point and show them up. Rachel Maddow has corrected the one error she had made (the wrong court was named) on the fly and now all attention is drawn to the Koch brothers and their script. And wouldn't we all like to know what was in this script exactly! So she's gotten the whole free thinking US eating out of her hand. You rock, Rachel!
Monday January 6, 2014, 1:52 pm
Why should she? Given the Koch brothers are bankrolling pretty much every right-wing cause in America Especially when they are disputatious billionaires hated by half the country. She should really give them the spanking they deserve and the other half should be really wake up and see that the Koch brothers are really up to. Given they have been paying for Lord Monckton's great climate denial roadshow for several years and with his latest attempt to impeach President Obama is even more insane than Steve Stockeman's attempt. The Kochs really should be held to account for making the past 6 years like a permenant state og Groundhog day.
Monday January 6, 2014, 3:06 pm
Koch Fundraising Outpaces Rivals
The extensive network of political action committees and fundraising groups built by conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch is unrivaled in its fundraising prowess and its legal sophistication designed to protect donor anonymity.
According to The Washington Post, tax filings show that the nonprofit groups backed by the Kochs in the 2012 elections out-raised every other independent group on the right and also trumped the Democrats' national coalition of labor unions.
In 2012, the network raised at least $407 million, a figure based on an analysis of tax returns by The Washington Post and the Center for Responsive Politics, a nonpartisan group that monitors money in politics. The money is generated by significant numbers of donors beyond the Kochs, and the operation is already gearing up for the 2014 midterm elections with new staff hires and attack ads against Obamacare.
I am so thankful Rachel stood up to these evil creeps. We all need to or America will be doomed.
Monday January 6, 2014, 11:07 pm
Ya know I am a Dem, and I just can't get used to apologizing when the truth is at hand. Well, we all know that that's the Repubs trait, they bash everyone but when the shoe is on the other foot they cry a river , whining and their little feelings are so hurt. Guess what, they all can go to Hell, and I am not going to apologize for something so stupid. I understand the jobs that these folk have to keep, but damn, no one can go on the offensive? even a rebuttal? I will not give my dignity to a bunch of low life flunkies, they've got this country so damn screwed up, and until we get their a**es out we are in for a bumpy ride. I hope God whoever she is will break my fingers if I put a check mark besides a Reps name on that ballot. They are itching for something they are not going to be able to handle. They've said to me and all Americans near and far to go to hell, and guess what they can do the same...The fall is going to be very hard. VOTE THEM OUT!!!
Tuesday January 7, 2014, 3:38 pm
This is the best news that I have heard lately! Go get 'em, Rachel and don't spare the whip! They need their money taxed to the max!! And that is only the beginning!
Koch Brothers need a good dose of epsom salts to clear out their heads of all the stupid crap they dream up about all the Dems! The Reps have GOT TO BE VOTED OUT! ASAP!!
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 3:59 pm
Rachel Maddow should be pleased to death that the Koch Brothers think so highly of her to respond in the first place. I would accept it as a great compliment.
They must believe that she is a highly influential journalist, which she is