Wednesday January 8, 2014, 12:12 am
Perhaps I’m being too familiar to address this Republican by his first name only. Idiot, Son of Idiot, Named after Idiot (R-KY) has been caught in a major scam, trying to misrepresent his so-called experience with ObamaCare. He may have fraudulently obtained a bogus Medicaid Card for his son. Lets start with the video:
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 2:36 am
f Sen Paul cannot get into his insurance site to alter his cover – surely that is the fault of his insurance provider not anyone else? Oh sorry, I forgot – if a Repugligon stubs their toe that is President Obama's fault! As I have never yet met any Repuglicon politician who actually recognised the truth, let alone spoke it, I doubt this story in its entirety – its as phony as all the other lies they have told about the world.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 3:48 am
Perhaps the idiot line ends at son of idiot and there is no grandson of idiot and son of idiot. Perhaps one of their three boys has just enough brain cells working to see that the ACA could be a blessing, applied for a card and didn't dare to confess. Nah, that line of idiocy is from a recessive gene, just couldn't happen.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 5:47 am
If he wants to pay for his son's insurance why did he use the website? Can't he just walk into an insurance office with a credit card? If his son's coverage went to Medicaid maybe he is unemployed? As TC says, "idiots." And too inbred it seems.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 7:21 am
Proving once again that a new lie is spread almost every time a Republican opens his/her mouth. Why can't they settle in and really try to do something good for a change? They spend most of their time, on our dime too, spreading hate and fear amongst those too dumbed down to realize it.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 7:29 am
......of course, we hear all the lies about the ACA aka Obamacare...had an editorial in the paper today......but no ideas on how to improve it or make health care provision better for people....
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 7:40 am
(dragging in a huge tube of industrial strength super glue....coughing and hacking along the way) .....here, this is one way we can shut the lying liars up.....drown them in this. Let's start with Son of Idiot.
Dave, I have a fix for ACA......MEDICARE FOR ALL. Simple, easy to implement, easy to administer, covers everyone and CUTS OUT THE INSURANCE INDUSTRY.....for good.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 8:24 am
What really worries me is the many many fools who believe the stories the Republicans tell.
Those crazy people are what make me truly worry about the future off American life.
I mean, I know they have quite a few of the voting districts slanted for Republicans but are the Republican voters REALLY that stupid ??? Is everyone who is considered Republican that rich or that ignorant ? There MUST be enough of the general population catching on by now to swing things to a more humane nation.
Democrats are NOT perfect but Democrats will make money AND take care of us other poorer folk at the same time. (In my opinion)
Liar, liar, pants on fire. Kentucky is running a very good state program that allows people to sign up for insurance and if qualified might be covered in part or fully by Medicaid. No application No coverage.
Please send me the address for the "Welfare Office" no such place exists in any town or city within the US. Very few offices for Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid make appointments. Most things are handled by phone and on line applications. No application - No service. Some states do have a few offices for processing claims for unemployment benefits in person, many of those are also now using phone and on line applications.
When a lie is this transparent why even bother to make such a fool of yourself?
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 9:50 am
"Either way, he has proven that he is not fit to hold office."
I'd go a LOT farther than either way. There are probably dozens of ways this fool isn't fit to hold public office, these are just two. Though the one, lying, does seem a job requirement for republican office holders, so we might have to let him skate on that one. But virtually everything else he says, does and stands for is against the best interests of the American electorate. THAT makes him unfit for office of any kind, in my opinion...
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 10:11 am
People with any level of intelligence really NEED to go ballistic on this one. We need to insist on a full out investigation into what this man said, because it isn't easy to get government services ... none of them. And you like Kit said, you can't get them if you don't apply. And if he isn't able to change information at the website, maybe it is because the website is set up so that you can't change certain information in order to LIE about your income level or your name or your social security number so that you can shop for the best prices by giving different information to see what he could get. Websites do that all the time in order to keep fraud at a minimum. I hope he gets caught in his huge lie and gets his butt booted, because that is what he deserves. IF he got any card for his son, he lied on his insurance application, period. But the bigger question for me is, why wasn't he asked what he was doing at the exchanges to begin with, because he has fantastic health insurance courtesy of the American people, so WTH was he doing at the exchange? Was he trying to take advantage of the opportunity the new ACA gives people, so that a son who wasn't covered before could now get health insurance? Or was he just there to mess with the system and see what kind of BS he could concoct for his dear Republicon party? Either way ... he needs to be investigated immediately.
Ummm...Would Darrel Issa recommend the Senate investigate Rand Paul? Highly doubtful. Though I agree the Senate should open an investigation into members that intentionally mislead the public. I don't care which party, intentional lying for political goals is a direct misrepresentation of facts aka LYING.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 11:03 am
We need to have punishment of liars to the American public for any kind of political gains. Let's get a bill written and see who refuses to put it out on the Congressional floors for a vote. If you ask your Senator or Representative to put forth a bill you have written, they have to at least put it to a committee. We could call it the "No More Lying Act". Caught lying as a politician? Out the door ... no pension, no ability to ever run for public office again.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 11:15 am
Terrie W., you are SOOO spot on!!! Feed 'em all Super Glue!
But, really, now. If he wasn't trying to screw around on the Healthcare website, what was he doing there? He sure as hell don't need any insurance! And his kid is not covered? If he is over the age of 26, then he should be applying for himself, unless he is mentally challenged. In that case he would have all access to Medicare. But, I don't think his kids are mentally disabled.
So, yeah, he lied on the website AND lied to the people. If it was a regular person, and they had lied on the website, they would have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law! That is when it was found out. And that person would do time. But a frigging senator gets a free pass? Hell, NO!
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 11:44 am
The real tragedy is that when so much needs to be done, we must take time to refute these obvious lies, fantasies, and alien-invasion stories because there are voters stupid enough to believe them. Grrrrrr!
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 12:48 pm
The old random function that gives a result between zero and Paul, may actually be having a problem with that if he claimed much of reality is a holographic projection or sensory illusion being beamed down by our alien overlords from the moon it would be pretty much in line with his level of sanity as it is obvious there is a bat cave somewhere missing it's ground floor of faeces and I don't think it is under stately Wayne Manor. The whole attack on healthcare is being done by people who have the best healthcare money can get. So it can be pretty much a dead cert that hypocrisy combined with snobbery is the reason why he just doesn't want to see any poor folk when he is getting his bung hole scraped.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 1:16 pm
Tom, I don't know what the truth is and neither does anyone else. However, what WE DO KNOW is that millions of Americans were cancelled losing their private healthcare insurance. Millions! The probability that the taxpayers will have to bail out the insurance companies is great....because of this horrendous life leaving Obama's lips over 30 times. Now we know that Obama KNEW this before the 2012 election and he did not disclose it. Perhaps Romney would've won the election if Obama had been forthcoming with the truth. Since this election was yet another close race for Obama, there's every reason to believe that Mitt would've won the presidency if Obama had told the truth about the ACA and that they would, indeed, be cancelled by their private healthcare companies. Obama lied. He is the president. He should be impeached. Only problem with that, and perhaps it was the main reason Obama chose him, is that Biden is a certified loon who has great difficulty remembering where he is. Having Heckle and Jeckle in seats one and two in Washington DC is a colossal nightmare for the majority of Americans....that is, if you've read the latest polls.
I understand there's always a possibility that someone could be lying about their personal experience with the ACA but the truth be known....there are so many legitimate complaints about the ACA rollout and the sticker price premiums for our youth in America that I believe it completely overshadows what may or may not have happened to Rand Paul. You see, the truth always comes out. Americans do not like ponzi schemes.
The ACA is still greatly flawed and way under enrollment projections and Americans are still sharing their personal horror stories with the public. Americans seem to be fed up with political COI's who use lying to promote their platform.
The majority of Americans want the ACA to simply go away. Obama has fallen from his pedestal because of his lies and his obvious disinterest in America and her people.
So, once again, I'll remain on the side where the majority of Americans are more than disgusted with the ACA.
Don't you wish that liars pants would catch on fire? Or that people would actually read and make decisions based on fact an not rumor and innuendo? This ACA is the plan conceived by republicans, the Heritage Foundation wrote this bill. We need universal health care.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 1:58 pm
LOL! A RepubliCON opened his mouth about Obamacare - what else would he say Other than LIES???? How could anyone have Foreseen? Oh, and Yellow Cake is Healthy & prevents AIDS!!!! ;)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 4:11 pm
CA is investigating the purely political website filled with fraudulent information the GOP put up and many GOP legislators used taxpayer funds to direct constituents to instead of the real website making it seem as if it were official--corruption at its finest for ideologues who cannot bear the facts.
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 6:19 pm
You go, California? Will any charges be brought if willful deceit is uncovered? Hah! What the hell you think, this is Finland?
Ron Paul, as depicted in a recently seen cartoon,, in a straight jacket (where he belongs- Infrastructure repairs are unconstitutional?) was seen, by his fellow candidates in the recent elections, as "crazy," from what I read.
Ayne Rand's "Individual ubber alles!" philosophy is crazy.
We are ALL inextricably tied and bound with each other in multifarious ways, and it does not take a Buddhist to recognize that. The Buddhists, however, are wise enough to emphasize it!!
And, tangentially, I know, the Southern Baptist convention of some years ago, was CRAZY (in its special way) to tell them that they were "In the thrall of the Devil."
YOU LIVE IN DELUSION, YOU THINK DELUSIONALlY!
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 7:02 pm
I watch too much TV & have seen too many movies (I refuse to believe anyone can read too many books)..so I start seeing connections to movies like "Wild in the Streets" & the "President's Analyst", and series like CONTINUUM..so I think the Government HAS to legalize pot & institutionalize CONgre$$ at those secret camps... I suppose I'll never be Empress of the World if Americans are too dumbed down to recognize My Tyranny would be "for the best"..;)
Wednesday January 8, 2014, 9:34 pm
This man wouldn't recognize the truth if it slapped him in the face. If what he says is possible, than he should be prosecuted for fraudulently obtaining Medicaid for his son.
Thursday January 9, 2014, 2:30 am
If "lies about Obamacare are a dime a dozen" then we have quite a few lying Americans both republican and democrats who tried to access the website from day one, lost their private health insurance, and once on the site were in sticker shock due to the cost. This wasn't "one person like Rand Paul."
Thursday January 9, 2014, 10:19 am
Obamacare enrollment healthier, with room to grow: Survey
"Chances for keeping insurance premiums down and getting many more people enrolled under new Affordable Care Act policies this year are looking good, according to a new survey.
The survey found that about 1 in 4 adults visited an Obamacare exchange by the end of December. And more significantly, the vast majority of those who visited and are potentially eligible for coverage there—a total of 77 percent of those surveyed—reported being in either excellent, very good or good health, according to a statistical snapshot taken by the Commonwealth Fund.
And they were not disproportionately old as has been the case in the limited demographic data released by the Obamacare health exchanges to date.
In fact, 41 percent of the exchange visitors were 19- to 34-years-old, tracking their share of the general population of people eligible for coverage via the exchanges in either private plans or Medicaid, according to the Commonwealth Fund.
If those trends in health status and age hold up among the people who actually enrolled—and who will ultimately enroll—it increases the likelihood that insurers will not have to raise premium prices excessively next year to compensate for a bad risk pool that comes from having too many sick and old people signed up."
"What Does the Affordable Care Act Do?
ObamaCare's many provisions give new patient protections in dealing with insurance companies and in return mandates that everyone who can afford to must obtain health insurance by 2014. It also creates new taxes, increases funding for health education and awareness, makes spending cuts and more. Obamacare Facts discusses the many provisions in detail. In the years since it's become a law, the Affordable Health Care Act has already made a big difference in our country by providing new rights and protections to over 100 million Americans. Here are some of major changes to healthcare.
• ObamaCare prohibits insurance companies from dropping your coverage if you get sick or make an honest mistake on your application.
• It eliminates pre-existing conditions and gender discrimination.
• Let's young adults stay on their parent's plans until 26.
• Creates State based Health Insurance Exchange Marketplaces where Americans can shop for Federally regulated and subsided insurance.
• Protects against unjustified rate hikes and give you more rights to appeal insurance company decisions and much, much more."
Medicaid and Obamacare: The Data Donut Hole
"Josh Marshall wants people to believe that approximately 10 million individuals have health coverage because of the Affordable Care Act. Writing for Talking Points Memo, Marshall says that this number is reached by the number of signups on HealthCare.gov for insurance: 2.1 million. To this, he adds an estimated 4.3 million people who enrolled in Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program. Finally he includes the 3.1 million young people who have stayed on their parents’ insurance plans.
His totals get him to 9.5 million, which he then rounds up to account for incomplete and non-updated data. Ezra Klein of the Washington Post takes issue with some but not all of this data. He gives credit to the number of signups and to the young people who stayed on their parents’ insurance.
The data about young people retaining their parents’ insurance is reliable, but it is impossible to know how many would not have pursued health coverage had they not been able to stay on their parents’ plan. This figure would be nearly impossible to track — the program is incredibly popular and has grown since it was implemented in 2010.
What Klein does provide a discussion of is the difficulty in knowing how many people have enrolled for Medicaid. Klein cites a 4.4 million figure for Medicaid enrollees; Marshall uses 4.3 million — based on Charles Gaba’s ongoing tracking of enrollment data for Obamacare — as a starting point. Marshall points out that some people are using a 3.9 million figure but disposes of it, since it does not include December data.
But it is an important number, because it comes from a report on Medicaid and the Children’s Health Insurance Program enrollment in October and November by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (or CMS). Although the report only runs through November 30, there are caveats that need to be considered when evaluating Medicaid and CHIP data."
Grayson: Obamacare is driving down costs
"WASHINGTON, D.C. —
While the U.S. Senate moves toward a test vote on an emergency spending bill, Orlando Congressman Alan Grayson says Obamacare will drive down the costs of getting health coverage. The House version of the bill wants to strip funding for Obamacare. Grayson voted against it.
"Florida’s families will benefit from a broad range of new health insurance options and lower-than-expected rates in the new Health Insurance Marketplace, which will open next week. New tax credits and subsidies will help make health insurance even more affordable," he said in a news release from his congressional office.
He cited a U.S. Health Department report:
Consumers in Orlando will be able to choose from 98 qualified health plans, which will all cover individuals with pre-existing conditions and provide free preventive care. With tax credits, a 27-year old who makes $25,000 per year will pay $102 per month for the lowest cost bronze plan, and a family of four with a $50,000 income would only pay $126 per month for the lowest cost bronze plan.
“Obamacare is doing exactly what it was supposed to do: driving down costs and expanding coverage,” said Grayson."
- See more at: http://www.news965.com/news/news/grayson-obamacare-driving-down-costs/nZ7CF/#sthash.ShWBRU7X.dpuf
At least 48% are finding their cost of insurance to be less for more coverage than they had so far...if you read unbiased news that provides the most accurate data available, you find it is succeeding with the possible exception in the needed Medicaid expansions in the 23 states where the governors chose to sacrifice poor residents for political purposes due to ideology testing of ideologues rather than facts--KY, a very GOP state, finds it succeeding beyond their hopes according to the GOP governor.
Thursday January 9, 2014, 10:20 am
Sorry the last comment got so long with the complexity of the success measures reported in the news, for those that read factual news vs. opinions pretending to be news when it is just quotes not based on data.
Thursday January 9, 2014, 4:07 pm
Yes, it did get long and without a credible source to explore but that's okay, JLA. We are passionate about politics and we both want to get it right based on research....credible research. Obama knows he rolled out a train wreck.
Obama admitted it was a huge disappointment so now all we can do is wait and observe. I believe Obamacare needs to go away and if the American people vote a republican congress in 2014 we will see that happen. It is unconstitutional to mandate that Americans pay for something they do not want. I will begin and end right there. It's right up there if a bill was passed mandating that Americans pay $200.00 a month of their salaries to the poor...our constitution has been violated and that is wrong. It's a wait and see at this point and time.
I would like to say that most of what the liberals post as "fact" comes directly from biased left wing authors....which most of you consider "fact." That is interesting to me but not so interesting that I believe a single word of it. Everything is "political" these days. Everything is about the next election.
Thursday January 9, 2014, 10:45 pm
Mainstream news sites aren't credible for reading actual factual news rather than opinion pieces without sources when they are secondary sources accurately quoting the most credible data available? Makes as much logical sense as trying to see how fast boiling water freezes when the temperature is 30 below 0. I guess it might be another example of ideologues refusing to look at facts that differ from the position they chose before learning anything about the subject.
Friday January 10, 2014, 3:01 pm
I am glad the numbers credible news sources cite show 6 million people have gotten coverage under ACA so far--many who would otherwise be uninsured and some for the first time.
Friday January 10, 2014, 3:29 pm
You failed to mention that the insurance companies haven't acknowledged them....there are very serious issues with the ACA and not one of the liberals dares to step out of the box to even touch on them. The security on the website is no existent and that's a serious issues that needs to be addressed. How many of the 6 million applied for Medicaid. How many are illegals? How many are Russians? You get my drift?
You can only report the information you are fed by your biased left wing sources and it's for damn sure that you can't get the "truth" about the ACA out of DC. Obama refused a "weekly reporting" of the enrollment and the problems. Imagine that....can you just imagine any other president saying that it would be too much work to do that? I can't. The latest numbers simply don't pass the smell taste....just wait and you will see. Right know the liberals are like Ferdinand The Bull floating through a field of daisies...euphoric...over one failure after another. My, my, my had this been GWB rolling out a major healthcare disaster where millions of Americans were cancelled from their private healthcare policies the liberals would be marching on Washington DC. The republicans are just sitting back watching a self immolating situation.
Friday January 10, 2014, 7:31 pm
Supreme Court already ruled on the Constitutionality part...... Many people pay for things they perhaps don't feel they need nor want. Car insurance is required, homeowners insurance is also required. People have to pay property taxes towards the educations of children they may never have or had.
I will agree many are finding this confusing. Many don't know if they should apply if they have Medicare or not. I know one Elderly couple that ended up making a mistake on the ACA and they can't get it fixed and so now a Doctor they had and was comfortable with they can't see anymore, they are in their 90's and both have had cancer recently......it is causing them a lot of stress. Actually they should of left everything alone, they had a good policy, but they thought they had to sign on the ACA, that it was a legal requirement now.
I agree with Terrie, Universal Health Care or Medicare for All.....I don't care what it's called as long as it stands for one card for everyone, nice streamline system, everyone treated the same, simple and easy. Japan had a nice stream lined system that people seemed happy with, both the providers and the citizens. The Doctors all said they get paid well, they do not suffer, and the patients don't worry about what is covered or not. They all just concerned about getting better if they are sick....not wondering if they can come up with money to see a Doctor or if they'll go bankrupt if they do need surgery.
This Obamacare as it is more commonly called is a REPUBLICAN plan that just so happened to get put into place via the Obama Administration. It is the same thing that Mitt Romney placed into Massachusetts. So I'm not sure why all the Republicans are so upset, after all it is what they had wanted. Be careful what you wish for.
Saturday January 11, 2014, 9:46 am
Excellent factual points Dandelion. Facts rather than repeating ideologue talking points refusing to accept any facts at odds with preferred beliefs are always welcome.
Saturday January 11, 2014, 9:49 am
One of the articles I posted identified exactly how many of the 6 million were Medicaid, for those who choose to read the news citing independent research like the Kaiser Foundation's.