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Open Thread - 2/13/2013

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread )

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Lona G (80)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 3:58 am
I hope you get your COPD under control and to more manageable levels soon, TomCat. This must be really tiring you out.

New Yorker: Andy has this fantastic knack to pinpoint the weak spots of his victims and blow it out of proportion in his satire , but of course the natural stupidity of Rand Paul can't be enlarged much more. Monica Lewinski and Whitewater, right. Do you think he has a drinking problem, TomCat? His memory seems to have been blown away by it. Or just too few braincells to hold a thought?

Daily Kos: Good, the net tightens around our favourite NJ governor. His office not denying that he flew over the bridge on 9/11 when the Ford Lee lanes were clearly congested, so now he has to think of another excuse. The trouble for liars is that they have to keep their stories straight and the more stories he has to keep in the air, the less PIGnocchio will sleep. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he came up with the excuse you thought up for him, Tom Cat. ROTFL.

NY Times: Prisoners having their right to vote taken away is very a dubious act (in the Netherlands, all people incarcerated keep their voting rights under law), people who return to society, after they have paid their debts for their wrongdoings, having their right to vote not returned to them is unethical and unconstitutional. Kudos to Mr Holder for speaking out against this outdated and very counter-productive justice system.
But I fear that those (red) states are not likely to change their legislation, as they both from profit a racially biased judicial system and a system which then systematically disenfranchises further. That's a lot of votes against the GOP out of the way without fraudulent means. And what do they care about recidivism? It only confirms them in their racial bias.

Lona G (80)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 4:02 am
Editing not strong point, should be: as they profit from both a racially biased judicial system ... Sorry

Gloria picchetti (304)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 4:20 am
I wish you felt better TC. The care2 inbox needs a severe update. One should be able to see who their green stars are from, if it's a for a comment or just a gift and clear it with one click.

Carlene V (202)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 6:13 am
Tom, Hoping your COPD calms down and that you feel better sooner than later.

Monica Lewinsky? Too funny, and almost believable due to the other idiotic words that he spews.

Yes, lets change the voting laws, people change, people get straight, people do the right thing, it's past time we do the right thing with our laws.

Arielle S (313)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 7:00 am
Andy Borowitz has a wonderful way of making the unbelievable very believable, doesn't he? The GOP are so anxious to tear Hillary down, I could see them actually dredging up old news and pretending it's new news.

As for prisoners voting - in my mind, the real criminals are in DC and on Wall Street - they can still vote so why not the poor souls who got caught with pot?

Joanne Dixon (38)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 8:10 am
8:42 I knew from TC's time and the average it would be tough, but that was really rocky.

Andy - Priceless.

Christie - No surprise surely? The book that gets written on Bridgegate will end up being either a humor classic - or a fantasy classic - or maybe both will get written LOL.

Voting - TC, you nailed it. You said what Holder said, but you said it more clearly, in plainer language, and in terms a moron should be able to understand.

Update: On the 2/9 Open Thread, one of the topics was Sam Zell's remarks. Now a little known group (OK, I had never heard of it) has started a petition to get him removed from the Board of Directors of the property where they live. You can check it out here, (I signed and repeated on the petition the comment I made at the time.)

Pat B (356)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 8:41 am
NewYorker: Got a kick reading that, Andy is so Funneee.!!
DailyKos: Christie is sinking fast, and has to keep his lies straight, one right after the other(s).
NY Times: Inmates who do the time for their crime, give them their rights back to vote. I agree with the AG that this is outdated, and needs to be revised so that voting is their right.!
Your COPD doesn't sound like it's getting better. I do hope that you are taking frequent breaks from your activities to rest, and rest some more.! Stay warm, rest, relax, and take care, Tom. Thanks.!!


JL A (281)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 9:38 am
Restorative justice is indeed the model research and evaluation of criminal justice practices, policies, programs, etc. show as the most effective model for preventing crime.

AB is on target as usual, and welcome reading.

I like Pat's analogy of "sinking" made me think of what was called "dead man's float" in swimming safety classes. It's a position face down in the water with legs and arms hanging down where head is lifted sufficient to take needed breaths to survive.

Thanks for the Zell link Joanne.

Lewinsky? Talk about beating a dead horse and it not even being the right horse.

Jaime Alves (52)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 10:31 am

Terrie Williams (798)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 11:25 am
Gotta love Andy....but, yeah, that is about the level of Son of Idiot's intelligence would be....clueless.

PIGnocchio SSDD, we will see what claims or excuses or outright lies he tells about this one.

I agree, Cat Man, the more they are invested, connected adn feel they are participating in their community and society in general, the more likely they are to not be repeat offenders. But, getting the Retrhuglifascists in the Red state to repeal those laws......not gonna happen for a long long time. They LIKE them because 1) lower voter turnouts 2) They liketo continue to punish and not rehabilitate because.....3) Lawmakers, judges, politicians and governors need the revolving doors because they make money on it, especially on private prison contracts. Nuff sed.

Deb E (63)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 12:03 pm
Actually, I think they are more after who was with Christie on the flight. Christie claimed he barely knew Wildstein, but he and Wildstein look very "buddy buddy" in a LOT of photos. Maybe they are trying to show that if he lied on one thing, he can lie about other things. Once they start unraveling his lies, he will have to come clean. Sort of like Clinton did about Lewinsky.

And speaking of Clinton ...If that is all they have against Hilary, they are in deep do-do. And ... I don't think too many "women" are going to take kindly to Paul's statement about Clinton taking advantage of "young girls". Last time I looked, 22 years old was an adult woman. but, if at 22 years of age he believes people are still considered to be children, why then is he okay with sending our "children" to fight wars?

Anyone who has done the time for their crime should be able to become a participating member of society. Period. Holder's got this one dead on.

Chris C (152)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 1:32 pm
Rand Paul is an imbecile! He won't be a nominee for President - too bad, too. HE would get CREAMED!

Of course, Chris Christie did a flyover to gleefully survey his Bridgegate damage! There's alot more to all this - it just keeps getting better...I said while back this it was just the tip of the iceberg! Seems it's coming true! I just look SO forward to watching Hardball, Chris Hayes and of course Rachel Maddow! I have withdrawal symptoms on the weekend.

David C (133)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 1:34 pm
w/r cartoon....tomorrow is Valentine's Day not Halloween.

Birgit W (160)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 2:13 pm

Sheila D (28)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 2:53 pm
Thanks for the post, TomCat. As usual, it seems the rabid Right is, without really trying, showing us how really stupid they can be. Anyone who has served their time in prison should be allowed to vote. Hope you're feeling better soon.

James Maynard (84)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 3:32 pm
Paul needs to pull his head out.
Christie needs to get out.

I somehow managed to come in
a minute + under the average
for a change! Must be stoned.

. (0)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 5:10 pm
Great thread, TomCat. Thanks for sharing. Get some more rest if you can.

Edith B (146)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 9:30 pm

6. Edie says:

February 13, 2014 at 9:27 pm
I hope you are feeling better. We both have had a respiratory virus for ten days now, feel better today, but am sick and tired of being sick and tired. I wish you could get well completely.

The New Yorker" I think dredging up this old news is going to bite Rand, at least, I hope it does.

Daily Kos: Your explanation is probably right. We know Christie would not have flown over the crime scene knowingly! wink wink

NY Times: There is a bill in the Ky State Senate to address this problem here. Both my Rep and Sen have assured me they will vote for it. I hope it passes in this red state.

Cartoon: I really don't want to feel sorry for Boehner.


Lynn S (235)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 10:26 pm
Puzzle — 5:14 I was stoned!

New Yorker — Have to love Andy! Idiot, Son of Idiot, Named after Idiot is being true to his calling as a Republicanus/Teabagger! Where no scandal exists, they try to make them. Issa and Limbaugh are other prime examples but not the only ones by far.

Daily Kos — . . . more cookie crumbs Mr Christie! You know what we do with crumbs? . . . sweep them into the garbage!

NY Times — “By perpetuating the stigma and isolation imposed on formerly incarcerated individuals, these laws increase the likelihood they will commit future crimes.”

My initial reaction as I was reading the Times was that if you "give" an individual a stake, you are more likely to have someone WANT to be able to be active. Take that incentive away and you will get apathy. Then I read your comment TC. Surprise, surprise we're coming from the same direction.

Cartoon — Ah! the Weeper of the House! He looks a little pale. Being 2014, I think he has his knickers in a bunch and might be a bit afraid of pissing off the electorate.

TomCat S (129)
Friday February 14, 2014, 12:26 am
Thanks everyone.

Jason R (67)
Friday February 14, 2014, 10:09 am
COPD Take 1 1,000mg MSM every 12 hours. It softens the cells and boosts oxygen in the blood.
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