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Open Thread - 2/23/2014

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown). That's it for today.

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P A (117)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 2:00 am
Q – do Repuglicons ever keep their words? If so the vote on the minumum wage will indeed be interesting!

I hope your Board Meeting of the prison volunteer organisation goes well – and I bet it will! Thank goodness it is takihng place in your new apartment TC – I doubt they could have made themselves heard in the old place!

Sorry TC – couldn't manage more than a bit of the United Auto Workers Union appeal – 58 pages! – but good for them.

Lona G (80)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 9:05 am
I hope you have a very nice day Monday with hosting the board meeting and feeding its members, TomCat. And with all the cleaning before, and after ;-)

Daily Kos: Boehner isn't one that keeps his word - what Republican has ever done so - so I'm afraid we can't anticipate on his demise when it the Democrats force a vote on the minimum wage with a discharge petition. He'll probably twist his own words and say that he'd kill himself before voting, not before bringing it to a vote, and then just abstain.
What surprises me, though, is the phrase "It’s almost like he’s not the moderate figure..." When was Boehner ever moderate? Apparently the press is starting to believe his, and their own, press releases.

No matter who's prediction or analysis is the best, it appears that the White House is playing a very strategic game on behalf of the 'have-nots' and against the interest of the 'haves', and whether the GOP accepts it or not, they'll always be on the losing team. We'll wait and see and find out which part of their voters their going to please: the haves or the have-nots.

Sorry, TomCat, my interest in American politics are not so great I'm going to read the whole appeal. What I do find very interesting is that if the board agrees with a new vote, it must also admit indirectly there has been coercion, intimidation, threats and interference.before and during the previous one. So the question arises: are their masters going to let them do that? I know absolutely nothing about this National Labor Relations Board, but if they are truly independent than they may rule in favour. I'll keep my fingers crossed. But even if they do, the workers in Tennessee may not be smart enough to understand what great second chance they have been given.

Cartoon: 1963? Well that didn't last very long, did it?


Elle B (84)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 9:55 am
Ty TomC. . . best wishes for the important work with your volunteer worries on reporting boring, trying and unfortunate as it is. . .the "stupid-saga" will be with us for awhile...especially since few yet know how to stand up to it. . .glad you are feeling well enough to host. . .

"When it shall be said in any country in the world, my poor are happy; neither ignorance nor distress is to be found among them; my jails are empty of prisoners, my streets of beggars; the aged are not in want, the taxes are not oppressive; the rational world is my friend, because I am the friend of its happiness: when these things can be said, then may that country boast its constitution and its government." ― Thomas Paine, 1791/1792


Joanne Dixon (38)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 10:26 am
6:23 I think they should have said "ampulla." The modern definition doesn't really fit. (And that, dear friends, is why one of my screen names is "Pedant.")

General news: I thought this
was interesting. I've always said that if they had to live with what they are doing to us they would raise holy hell. Seems I am now PROVABLY right.

Daily Kos: Woo Hoo! Discharge Petition! I suspect there are some Teabaggers who hate Boehner enough to sign it on the off chance. (Agent Orange is the new Black Boy?)

NY Times - You may well be right, however chained CPI WAS in this budget and was removed only after a lot of petitions came in. And there is still a Medicare cut in this budget which would "force middle class seniors to pay more for a program they've already paid into their whole lives." Here's a link to a petition to stop THAT nonsense.

I am SO glad the UAW is pursuing this with the NLRB. I wish them all the luck in the world. Sad that a group which should have "the strength of ten because (its) cause is just" would need luck, but such is our world.

Cartoon: Some of them don't care, and some just don't get it. Of course I'm sure they don't WANT to get it. And of course if you don't want to you won't.

JL A (281)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 10:50 am
Thanks for the historical voter ID perspective TC. MN was considering a voter ID law that would've required a zero cost to voters to meet the requirement (e.g.., the IDs for free) and the estimated costs killed the idea with conservatives (don't think it even covered transportation costs for getting to a location for getting for the rural residents).

Also welcome the historical Boehner view--and makes me wonder if it is statements like that so long ago that let such a political insider win his current position. Is it even possible to do a discharge petition with the rule changes he helped orchestrate?

Seems like this NLRB is apt to take the UAW's appeal very seriously. However, I'm not sure what authority and power they independently have for addressing those political voices and whether or not those voices could claim immunity due to acting in official capacity.

One group that handled no chained CPI in budget petitions update indicated a staffer had said that didn't mean it was off the table so we may need to remain vigilant.

So glad you feel recovered enough to host and have a location where that is possible.

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 1:41 pm
So....If Boner wants to commit Hari Kiri....can we watch it happen on CSPAN?????? I'll bring the Jiffy Pop, chips n beer! :) Soooooooooooooooooooo Drama Queen, that one. I think they (D's) should do a discharge petition and force it through. But, that's just moi. :)

Right now, I breathe a vast sigh of relief that the chained CPI is NOT in his budget and that he's finally getting a backbone and trowing it in their faces. But it ain't over yet.....they will try to find a way to gut Medicare and/or SS.

They have the evidence of collusion, threats and intimidation so the UAW should appeal it. I hope they win it!

Cat Daddy, you know as well as I do that the RethugliFascists always ignore the parts of the Constitution that they don't like whenever it suits them.....the 24th is no exception. Especially when they have everything gerrymandered their all they have to do is make it impossible for a segment(s) of the population to vote at all.

Good luck with your meeting!

Yvonne White (229)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 2:24 pm
"In President Obama’s 2015 budget, scheduled to be unveiled next month, there will be no more proposals to cut entitlement programs. Instead, the president will demand what the country needs the most: new investments in education, in energy efficiency, in job training. When Republicans turn away, as they will, they will have to explain to voters why they prefer tax loopholes for the rich over programs to create jobs and rebuild the economy." About freaking time - RepubliCON's will Never do the right thing, the responsible thing, or even a half-a$$ed Sane thing ..cut them out of the equation & have at a Real Budget & a Real Goal!
I hope the UAW gets in - the Politician jerks in TN. should all be jailed for Intimidation!

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 9:32 pm
Puzzle — 3:21 Good thing the ampule broke. The contents likely would have made me high!

Daily Kos — Fringe benefit indeed!

NY Times — Obama is politically shrewd when it comes to the Republicanus/Teabaggers. He has shown this a number of times. And not making the same offers as previously shows that he understands them, has their number. Given it is an election year, they would do almost anything with the idea that they could reverse concessions once they won the election.

TPM — "…the NLRB should set aside the election and order a new one."

I agree. To me, it is quite clear that the Tennessean Republicanus/Teabaggers have interfered in the constitutional rights of VW employees by using fear (job loss) and intimidation. In traditional labour relations, the employer is often against unionisation . . . I know, I was management during organisation drives in the Canadian banking industry in BC. Company management and unions are often adversarial. But here we have an employer who wants to deal with employees on a fair and equitable basis . . . very repugnant to Tennessee Republicanus/Teabaggers. So the GOP is up to its usual tactics.

Cartoon — "This effectively makes any Voter ID laws that require voter expense, either for the ID, or for the documents needed to obtain it, unconstitutional."

I couldn't agree more! It is very clear for any reasonable person . . . did I say "reasonable"? That leaves out the Republicanus/Teabaggers, all of them! If it went to SCOTUS, it would be interesting to see how the Injustices would rule and their logic.

"Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Personal — I was up to see the Olympic men's hockey final and it was truly a good game with clean action — Canada 3, Sweden 0. Go Canada!
We also had snow all night and all day today so we have more than10 centimetres. Tomorrow rush hour should be interesting for the BC pinheads would think they know how to drive. ICBC (car insurance) should be busy tomorrow!

Edith B (146)
Sunday February 23, 2014, 9:40 pm
TC. where do you get the energy to do all that you do? I had a virus that lasted two weeks and am just now getting caught up on my house work. I certainly couldn't entertain right now.

Daily Kos: The dems REALLY need to circulate a discharge petition!

NY Times: I have said all along that the President should just give them the budget he wanted and let them wrangle. They did not intend to pass anything he proposed anyway. Now they have backed themselves into a corner with their constitutuents. About time.

TPM: I read the appeal. The NLRB should certainly overturn this election, and look into prosecuting the authorities who made the threats that kept the employees afraid to vote for the union. Tennessee prides itself on being a non union state. I have NEVER wanted to live there, even though my grandmother was from that state.

Cartoon: And why isn't the media all over this?

Ingo Schreiner (8)
Monday February 24, 2014, 12:44 am

TomCat S (128)
Monday February 24, 2014, 12:55 am
Thanks everyone. I'm rushing big time.
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