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Koch Sucking ObamaCare Again!


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: GOP lies, Koch Brothers, ObamaCare, video )

TomCat
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TomCat S. (231)
Monday February 24, 2014, 1:07 am
The more time that passes since the Affordable Care Act (ACA), aka ObamaCare, became law, the more Republicans have to lose. First, the last thing Republicans want is to see Americanís hard-earned tax dollars spent on them, instead of being used as welfare for billionaires and corporate criminals. Second, more Americans will discover that Republicans have never stopped lying about it. So what response do we get from Republicans? We get more Koch-funded lies, of course.
 

tasunka m. (338)
Monday February 24, 2014, 3:45 am
We need to Koch block every nonsensical, mean spirited assault on our society and throw up the insanity, money cannot buy a good hearted person's soul and sense of morality
THANKS TC, HOPE YOU ARE FEELING BETTER!

 

Lona Goudswaard (79)
Monday February 24, 2014, 4:07 am
The Kochs have plenty of money to burn and are obviously very tenacious. Like most very rich they can't handle defeat or opposition, so they'll keep on spreading these lies. They are so warped in their thinking that they truly believe that they must and will win - the longer it takes the more they believe that - and anything is allowed to reach that goal. They also assume that if they keep this up long enough Democrats, sane people, traditional media, all the people who don't accept their lies, will be worn down in the end and give in.

So there's only one thing for it: keep vigilance up al the time, trace the money behind any new barf-bag story that comes out, check it out if the usual suspect are behind it and debunk it. It will get tedious, there's no doubt about it, but money should never win from democracy and truth.
 

Edwin M. (356)
Monday February 24, 2014, 5:45 am
They spent 2.2 million dollars in the 2012 election in an effort to defeat President Obama (what was your rate of return on that one HAH!) and who knows how many more millions since, spreading fabrications that only an idiot would believe. Keep spending those dollars and boosting our economy and keep spreading those stupid lies so more people can see the desperation driving your party. Thanks TC
 

Gloria picchetti (300)
Monday February 24, 2014, 5:57 am
There are more of us.
 

JL A. (276)
Monday February 24, 2014, 8:58 am
CA issued fines against the Koch's AZ front group not long ago. Is it Michigan where the courts are due to hear whether freedom of speech includes freedom to intentionally lie?

With the Enron situation, many began saying that fines for illegal behavior had become the cost of doing business with how large corporations had been allowed to become and how small the fines were. Is that the guiding principle for the Kochs, too?
 

Winn Adams (203)
Monday February 24, 2014, 9:02 am
They are disgusting and despicable.
 

Deb E. (63)
Monday February 24, 2014, 9:07 am
The Koch's should be in prison for trying to overthrow our democracy of, by, and for the people, and so should anyone else who spreads lies in order to hurt the people of this country. There is freedom of speech, and then there is active promotion of a government takeover. They have billions available to spread their lies. Losing a few million is like you or I losing $10.00
 

Seth E. (65)
Monday February 24, 2014, 9:16 am
People keep crying about the coverage they lost, the doctors they lost, but it's all a load of crap. Every single time, they're proven wrong, and in a lot of the cases, the "victims" themselves are complicit in the lies because of the hatred they share with the GOP and TP groups they allow to use their stories as propaganda.

So many of the "I lost my coverage" sob stories, for example, are from people who had gone cheap for years, buying the catastrophic plans that really covered almost nothing. The insurance companies loved those because they allowed a lot of profits.

But then the ACA passed, and the carriers were required to AT LEAST include preventive care, mental health coverage, and other benefits that would actually serve their consumers, and they eliminated the plans that didn't meet those bare minimum requirements, prompting people who had those plans to cry foul.

'The President told me I could keep my plan' might have swayed so many gullible souls, but it was BS from the start. They couldn't keep their plans because those plans violated the guidelines of the ACA, but it was not in a bad way; these changes were to help these people, and they could have picked other plan options at any time instead of curling up into a ball and crying about how their President lied to them.

Wake-up call to those people: you get what you pay for, and for too long, you got ripped off by insurance companies that duped you into wasting money on garbage plans that never helped you but lined insurance executives' pockets with easy and fat profit margins. Your loss of your plan is NOT the fault of our President, it's your fault and the fault of your greedy insurance company, and EVEN THEN, you were given alternatives, under the ACA, to pick a new plan that can actually help keep you healthy as well as covering you and limiting your expenses when your health fails you, and IT WILL fail you, as we all know, at some point in your life, you WILL become sick or injured.

These nitwits really need to stop wasting our lives with their sob stories about how much they hate being led by a black President, and all the permutations thereof.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday February 24, 2014, 9:27 am
Well said, Seth.... well said.
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Monday February 24, 2014, 9:34 am
" First off, Boonstra was able to get a plan on the exchange with Blue Cross Blue Shield that had her doctor in its network. While she doesn't claim in the ad she lost her doctor, she sure implies it. She didn't."

There really ought be some mechanism to hold those who flat out lie in advertisements accountable as well as those who solicit them, pay for the production and air time. We expect republicans to lie, but laws against slander and libel aren't enough here. This is a lie with malicious intent and there ought be recourse, other than after the election claims of perfidy and unfair or illegal campaign ads. The Kochs just can't be allowed to do things like this, it is bad enough what they do in their business dealings, but to interfere so blatantly and with such malevolence in our political process crosses boundaries no one should be allowed to cross. When we talk of election reform, THIS crap has to be on the agenda. This goes beyond racism, beyond bigotry, this is a deliberate attempt to deceive and harm the American people that is sedition at best, treason at worst, in my opinion. The world will be a much better place when those two have moved on.
 

Terrie Williams (773)
Monday February 24, 2014, 9:42 am
Kudos to Seth!

We still meed Medicare For All......Hey, I can dream can't I....

The dear little Kochroaches need to just go back to their dark corner of the basement because more sooner than later...the people in general......are gonna start grabbin' their industrial-strength cans of RAID....Nuff Sed.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Monday February 24, 2014, 10:19 am
I recently received two "surveys" in the mail, both with the stated intent "Help End Obamacare!" One was just from the Repubs so I tossed it. The other was from an outfit calling itself "catholicvote.org." Well, anyone who has seen any of my comments on the separation of church and state will know what THAT did to my blood pressure.

I didn't fill out the survey but I did send an email to the group, which included:

"Anyone who has ever paid attention to the words of Jesus in the Gospels, or to the words of Pope Francis (who quite obviously is paying attention to the Jesus of the Gospels), would not wish to end the Affordable Care Act, unless it was to replace it with Medicare for All.

So I must assume that you are neither Catholic nor Christian, but, in fact, counterfeit Catholics. It is my opinion that you should repent on earth in dust and ashes, because when you hear the words 'Depart from Me, I never knew you,' it will be too late."

I even made up a disposable email address and set up a special folder in case I get a response - which I truly don't expect. I didn't ask them to take me off their mailing list, but if they don't, they will certainly get an earful when they write to me.

But I mention this because the two mailings looked identical, except for the name of the group. Which means these "Catholics" are being funded by the Koch brothers too. A fine kettle of fish.
 

Dave C. (227)
Monday February 24, 2014, 10:30 am
Kochs kill....the greedy greedsters....
 

Pat B. (354)
Monday February 24, 2014, 11:29 am
They should be arrested for these lies. Loved the Repug Death Care Benefit, so true.!! LOL. Thanks, Tom.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday February 24, 2014, 11:38 am
Good for you, Joanne! I also managed to get on some GOP mailing list - the struggle for me is whether to tell them how I feel or just keep letting them send me things so I know what they are up to.... something like keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I like to think God is just sitting there giving the GOP enough rope to hang themselves and then She will really let them have it big time....
 

Chris C. (151)
Monday February 24, 2014, 11:41 am
Karma is especially hard on those, who are so rich they could HELP so many others but instead they prefer to hurt others. Karma hates greed!
 

donald Baumgartner (6)
Monday February 24, 2014, 1:00 pm
I like the headline!!! LOL!!
 

Debra Tate (17)
Monday February 24, 2014, 1:22 pm
Noted
 

Birgit W. (152)
Monday February 24, 2014, 1:26 pm
Thanks.
 

pam w. (191)
Monday February 24, 2014, 1:41 pm
Don't you wish that karma WERE real? Imagine their lives......
 

Jamie Clemons (283)
Monday February 24, 2014, 1:46 pm
My daughter in law is one of the working poor who is on welfare and working. Her state did not expand medicare and she tried to see how much her health care would cost she can not afford any health care under the obama care (for profit) system. They told her it would cost hundreds of dollars a month and she is barely making her rent payments as it is.
 

Jamie Clemons (283)
Monday February 24, 2014, 1:48 pm
I don't know what they are complaining about the for profit system was invented by republicans to mandate you buy from the for profit insurance companies.
 

Diane O. (167)
Monday February 24, 2014, 3:16 pm
The ACA, left alone, will disintegrate. It has NO LEGS. It cannot stand. Millions of Americans had their personal healthcare cancelled. That fact cannot be changed.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday February 24, 2014, 5:06 pm
Koch sucking Obama Care..OMG..Too fun a pun.
 

Seth E. (65)
Monday February 24, 2014, 5:34 pm
What flavor is the Kool-Aid, Diane?

The "Millions of Americans had their personal healthcare cancelled" story has been debunked again and again and again, and yet your side still keeps repeating it.

Are you reciting it as a mantra, hoping that it some day comes true in order to validate your opposition to our legitimately-elected President?

The only plans that were cancelled were those that did not meet minimum standards (read my previous comment, and I went into some detail about this very point), and yet those insured under those bargain-basement cheapskate policies STILL had options to choose other plans from the same insurers, maybe even for less than they had been paying, and they'd all receive more for what they're paying.

That's far from a bad thing.

In fact, the complaints about loss of these policies are nothing more than a modern-day echo of the slave-owners crying that they lost their property upon the federal government's order of their emancipation.

Sure health coverage and slave ownership are very different things, but the sentiment is the same; it's still a bunch of reactionaries bitching that they couldn't keep their old way of doing things because they don't like the government telling them what to do, even though the orders are reflective of the will of the majority of the people and the law of the land.

Stop hating the guy in charge to such an extent that it blinds you to positive changes that actually can benefit you.
 

Seth E. (65)
Monday February 24, 2014, 5:39 pm
P.S.: Diane, if you want to blame politicians for preventing Americans from being covered, I suggest looking at the GOP & TP candidates who opposed the Medicare expansion in red states, even though it would have been subsidized from the federal level, with funding in place.

The people falling through the cracks and the hospitals closing in those states aren't due to any fault of Democrats.
 

Edith B. (145)
Monday February 24, 2014, 9:40 pm
Daily Kos: They are running the same type of ads in WV against Senator Rahall, a Dem who has been in office since the seventies. So sick of seeing them, lies, lies, lies. I wonder how much she got paid for the ad. Kentuckians seem to be embracing ACA, we are having record numbers of people enrolling. That doesn't stop Bought Mitch and Idiot Rand from pusing their ads, though.
 

Edith B. (145)
Monday February 24, 2014, 9:44 pm
I wish I could send Seth E. two green stars. He explains it so clearly, even Diane O. should understand it. Why does she even stay on Care 2, we are wayyyy too liberal for her tastes.
 

TomCat S. (231)
Tuesday February 25, 2014, 2:28 am
Thanks to all, except the usual purveyor of InsaniTEA. Kudos to Seth and many more.
 

Diane O. (167)
Tuesday February 25, 2014, 2:57 am
Judging by the personal attacks, it is obvious that the liberals are highly sensitive about Obama's colossal failure on his legacy, mandated healthcare dream for Americans. Many of the stories are true. Americans have been cancelled by the healthcare companies they liked and paid for. Those who have been successful in signing up are the ones who are receiving free vouchers funded by the taxpayers....so here we go again with "redistributive wealth." All the republicans need to do is just sit back and watch it burn. The voters will let us know in November how they feel about Obama and his ACA. The success of O'Care will not be determined by Care 2 members.

Meanwhile, do you like your company's group health coverage where they pay for it or pay a portion of it for you? Now these companies are losing their group coverage. Employers are forced to pick up Obamacare or pay a penalty. Guess how that will turn out? They will pay the penalty because the premiums will be too high for them to continue paying for their employers. They will shed jobs and reduce some employees to part time status. So, if any of you can explain to me and other Americans why this is such a good deal I'm all ears. Good news is always welcomed but it isn't out there.

What should've happened is that those Americans who were too poor to pay for health coverage should've gone under Medicaid. The taxpayers are already paying that bill. Many have signed up under Medicaid instead of O'Care. Everywhere we turn as taxpayers we see Obama's "redistributive wealth" plan going into effect. We, as taxpayers already fund nearly $100 billion in fraud and abuse in these wonderful government run systems which should tell each and every one of us that the government shouldn't be running healthcare in any form. Like other countries, one day America will run out of rich people to pay the taxes to fund these programs.

InsaniTEA? No, just common sense. I stay current with all of the news and the truth is out there. I stay on Care 2 to get the truth out for those Americans who are capable of processing just how bad redistributive wealth is for a country. O'Care is the building block for a nanny state America. If that is what you want for America...fine. However, the majority of Americans say something very different.

The election in November will be the deciding factor. Obama's democrats in congress are worried about re-election in their states and some have stated they do not want Obama campaigning for them in any way because it will be the kiss of death and cost them their seats....all due to the ACA.

All I am saying is to keep your eyes open, read and watch. There's a great deal more to learn about O'Care and the future of America. Do the math. It's always about the math and who is actually paying for "free" healthcare.

 

Jason R. (66)
Tuesday February 25, 2014, 11:13 am
"The ACA, left alone, will disintegrate."

Then let's not leave it alone or try to destroy it. It's ours. We want it. We need it. CEOs don't NEED to suck $20,000,000 a year from us and our needs.
 

Roger Garin-michaud (113)
Tuesday February 25, 2014, 1:42 pm
noted, thanks
 

Jason R. (66)
Tuesday February 25, 2014, 9:02 pm
Republican governors that took ACA money are fairing reelection MUCH better than Governors that turned it down.
 

TomCat S. (231)
Tuesday February 25, 2014, 10:31 pm
Thank you both. I saw attacks on content that were appropriate,
 

Diane O. (167)
Wednesday February 26, 2014, 3:00 am
We have an election in November. We will have to wait and see how the American people feel about the ACA, no jobs, full-time employment reduced to part-time status, taxpayer funded extended unemployment payments, food stamps, low growth, mandated tax penalty on O'Care and losing their healthcare both private and through their employers, redistributive wealth, etc.

The American people sent Obama a strong message in 2010. Let us see what kind of message they send in November.



 

Jason R. (66)
Wednesday February 26, 2014, 8:37 am
Bush destroyed our economy. people hate that. Obama/Dems gave them affordable health care. People love that. VA already went blue.
 

James Maynard (68)
Wednesday February 26, 2014, 12:26 pm
Sad that this type of blatant lie
is allowed on the airwaves.
 
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