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Open Thread - 3/4/2014

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown). That's all today.

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Sue Matheson (79)
Tuesday March 4, 2014, 3:08 am

Lona G (80)
Tuesday March 4, 2014, 8:04 am
Get some rest, TomCat, visits to medicinal facilities are always tiring, even if they're standard, you know what to expect and you have a means of transportation. a sad story with a lot of truth in it, but the author generalizes too easily, I think. He believes a whole generation of 65+ has been brainwashed, but forgets that you need a certain predisposition to fall under Fox News' spell: you need to be conservative to begin with. The lively discussions on this tread by many of the same generation are certainly proof of that. It also undercuts the idea that Fox News' influence will die off with this generation. Too many younger people are of this conservative predisposition and not all are educated enough like the author and his friends to 'shift to the left' and will allow themselves to be dumbed down further by Fox. For all concerned it is rather sad that they'll live in this constant rage and fear because of it, which in the end is very detrimental to health.

NY Times: True, the reason 'financial experts' were so fearful of inflation because it devalued the piles of money the 1% had hoarded, but also it devalued their own, slightly smaller, piles. And these 'experts' needed a decoy. Banks and other financial institutions were raping the (stock)market with fraudulent products and pumping money and stock round and around and skimming the profits. They knew full well that this was leading to a monetary soap bubble and a financial crisis when it burst. They needed no prying eyes when they were trying to turn the tide, or rather the tidal wave of their own making.
And to some extend they succeeded, didn't they? Five years later and all is back to 'normal' and they're up to their old tricks again. That we're in a financial slump doesn't bother them, their profits are 'as usual'.

Crooks and Liars. Whoa, that is some nice Christian boyscout salute there. Making the Nazi salute is still unlawful in the Netherlands, irrespective of being a Christian, Muslim or White Supremacist. LGBTs were targeted by the Nazis too. Need I say more?

Great cartoon, TomCat. It sums all of the above up very nicely.

Joanne D (38)
Tuesday March 4, 2014, 9:15 am
6:11 Guess my age is showing. When I hear "quad" I think of something else.

Salon - I've been reading a lot about this in the past few days, including this article, and more in the Daily Kos. One woman, Jen Senko, is making a documentary about her own father. Lona - unfortunately you do NOT have to be conservative to begin with, apparently!! In fact, the changes described are so extreme I can't help but wonder, first, if there is an epidemic of small strokes, and second, if there is (or maybe just what it is) in our air, our water, and our food that is causing such an epidemic. I might also add that I often read that the current Republican pary is history, that the extremists will die out and the extremism with it. I seriously, seriously doubt that, and this is just one of the reasons why.

NY Times - I have heard very few even among those who ought to know better admit that the crash of 2008 was comparable to the Great Depression. I assume that is because if it were generally admitted, we would have to look back to see what remedies worked then, and apply them. Which would give Republicans such severe apoplexy that by and large Democrats, even if smart enough, to not have the energy to fight them. So here we are, now in the sixth year of a Depression and failing to admit it.

Crooks and Liars - Ron Orr says, "the Scripture is very clear that being homosexual is a sin.” First, no it isn't. Moost of the verses cited to "prove" this are about something else entirely. Second, the statement is absurd and un-Scriptural on the face of it. "Being" anything cannot possibly be a sin.. Sins are committed. Being is a state. You can only commit a sin by Doing, never by Being.

Cartoon - Well, and inertia.

Kit B (276)
Tuesday March 4, 2014, 9:48 am

Time 3:17

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself" That was not just a slogan or something to rally around, it was fact. Just as it is fact today. Many seem to think that the FDR years were filled with a compliant Congress and Supreme Court, but the dirty fighting and scare tactics we see today were as prevalent than as they are now. Politics in this or other countries is dirty mud fighting that only those seeking exceptional power and influence need apply. How to get that power? Keep people on the edge and afraid and on that score, Fox propaganda is second to none.

The BSA is in spite of cries from parents a para-military organization. I wish it were not using churches for meetings but I can not see that changing. The scouts and dedicated fathers were a rock for many single moms that wanted some healthy male role models for their sons. Now, I would not allow my son to be a part of this group. After a long battle they finally allowed for gay boys, but gay leaders - oh my they must be pedophiles why else would they want to be around boys? Stupid is just not something we can fix. The BSA has a long history dating back to Baden-Powell in Britain in 1908 and brought to the US in 1910. Many fathers were scout leaders and supporter the ideals of scouting, teaching honesty, integrity, and skills that can last a lifetime. If only the BSA would remember what they once were.

If I get started on the Fed, I will be typing for hours. Fortunately for you TC, I don't feel that well.

P A (117)
Tuesday March 4, 2014, 10:17 am
I completely agree with Lona, Joanne and Miss Kitty's comments, and couldn't better them if I tried.

I do remember reading in one of Eleanor Roosevelt's books however something interesting - she said that her husband really wanted to know what people thought about things, so he could help make his decisions better. I have also heard a sociologist say this about modern politicians - and sadly for the most part I don't think that is true - I think that most modern politicians have an agenda all ready made - and it is self, self, self! Sorry to sound so cynical, but that is decades of being involved in and optimistic about politics (the sainted and wonderful Bernie Sanders, of course, is excepted from any remarks such as these!)..

What the heck was that photograph - it looked awfully like Nazi salutes - what are they indoctrinating those children with?!


JL A (281)
Tuesday March 4, 2014, 6:11 pm
Fear can indeed strangle one and prevent necessary action for survival.

I heard that Disney was withdrawing its support of the Boy Scouts over this issue--funding the new one? Yet it is a company advocating for LGBTQ protection/equality laws from a corporate standpoint?

Lynn S (235)
Tuesday March 4, 2014, 7:16 pm
Puzzle — 3:21 Don't worry Jerry. Miss Kitty sped by me too! — This was MY generation!

"They used to be the brave men and women who took on America’s challenges, tackling the ’60s, the Cold War and the Reagan years — but now many are terrified by the idea of slightly more affordable healthcare and a very moderate Democrat in the White House."

We were the generation of the 60s who were going to change the world! We were the "radicals" trying effect positive change. Now, some of us are the reactionaries we disliked as young people. It is time to reclaim our zeal for justice, fairness and peace. It is time to put Faux Noise, the apparent voice of reactionaries, into retirement, or better still business death.

It is time to rediscover "comforting the disturbed and disturbing the comfortable"!

NY Times — It's about responsible national leadership . . . that means government leadership with private sector coöperation.

“…At a fundamental level, it’s political. …In part it reflects the belief that the government should never seek to mitigate economic pain, because the private sector always knows best. … ”

A repeat of the Dirty 30s! FDR and his New Deal with social programmes designed to lift the economy. But conservatives then, as conservatives now, objected to the role of government. From Wikipedia:

“…The Republicans were split, with conservatives opposing the entire New Deal as an enemy of business and growth, …”

The conservative approach today has been just as devastating to the American people. Mr Obama’s plan of infrastructure spending (government spending) and jobs would have lifted the economy. Gee, shades of the 30s. I guess we did not learn much. Or is it that we are being too political, rather than practical. As Krugman says

“…when the Great Recession struck, and we were given a chance to do better, we ended up repeating all the same mistakes.”

Bless those $ picking conservative hearts, NOT!

Crooks and Liars — Such a travesty of justice for these youngsters. They are being indoctrinated with hate under the guise of religion and social responsibility. Personally, I think this should be exposed as child abuse, but that won’t happen.

Cartoon — Amen to FDR! The conservatives live in a world of paranoia . . . social and economic.

TomCat S (128)
Wednesday March 5, 2014, 12:04 am
Thanks all. The difference between the Great Depression and the Republican Recession is that the recovery in the former wad directed to help the 99% and, in the latter, the 1%.

David C (129)
Wednesday March 5, 2014, 8:22 am
live hope and trust and not fear.....would make for a better world......scary picture of the newest "Christian" group....

Arielle S (313)
Wednesday March 5, 2014, 10:00 am
Dear Old Fear - False Evidence Appearing Real - it can be crippling especially when there is not a darn thing to be done. My gramma used to say, "prepare for the worst and hope for the best" and most of the time, that works just fine.

Katie & Bill D (107)
Wednesday March 5, 2014, 3:38 pm
Thank You TomCat

James Maynard (84)
Wednesday March 5, 2014, 9:41 pm
Sieg Heil Trail Life Scouts!

My dog took a nap from
chasing the quad...ooof!

TomCat S (128)
Wednesday March 5, 2014, 10:56 pm
And people say I'm off the the wall when I point out parallels between the Republicans and the Third Reich! Go figure!
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