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Open Thread - 3/23/2014

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread )

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown). That's all today.

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Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 6:17 am
Thanks Cat Man! Not commenting today because I feel really bad and need to go lay down again. So, not going to get my BP up anymore than it already is. I am glad though that over 5 million can now have healthcare.
Love the 'toon correct.

Lona G (80)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 7:38 am
Housework is a drudge but needs to be done, there's no two ways about it unless you're in the top 20% and can afford a maid.

TMP: very good news indeed, Olsen suffered brain damage so he's entitled to it, but a share your fear. Too much money, and the feeling of entitlement, corrupts.

Think Progress: Steve Scalise thinks that by telling only half the story and interpreting the other half in his own way, he's not telling lies. That is both wrong and typical for a Republican. The way I understood it, getting documentation (a residence permit) makes the immigrant worker's stay legal, but it doesn't make the worker a citizen by default.According to the article, they need to be in the USA for 13 years AND speak English before they're eligible. Which is extremely long compared to the 7 years (was recently upped from 5) we apply.
Scalise just needed an excuse to oppose and if you can't find one, you make one up, right?

Reich: he can explain it like no other. Of course the ACA is a success, despite it's abominable start and despite all the lies and horror stories the GOP and the 1% fabricated to scare people away from enrolling. But as Reich correctly states: all that is still wrong can be repaired. I wish he made another set of short videos in which he explains it in his own inimitable way. That could really help the ACA to take the last horde.

Cartoon: so true.

Carlene V (202)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 7:44 am
Thanks Tom, love the cartoon.

With 5 million signed up for the ACA I suspect the goons in Congress will vote to repeal it, ignoring the fact it will work and satisfying their constituents who are so misinformed a la faux noise, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and the rest of the idiots on parade. Then they can double back and work on what really matters to them like abortion control and gay marriage. They really are a dismal bunch of lunatics...

@ Terrie, hope you feel better soon.

P A (117)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 8:45 am
Scott Olsen deserves his compensation – does anyone know if he has recovered/will recover from his injuries? Also the people rescuing him who were attacked by that flash-bang need some compensation too – what the heck happens to people sometimes that they would attack those involved in stretchering out someone wounded?!

P A (117)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 8:48 am
Feel better, Terrie - you are most wise to avoid putting your bp up and avoiding GOP/TP lies, we all have to sometimes!

Joanne Dixon (38)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 10:05 am
6:36 Guess he was well hidden.

TPM - Good news indeed. I also hope he doesn't become a Republican. Since he sustained head injuries, it is a real possibility, darn it. PS - While reading this did everyone see this sidebar ? Love it! (On recovery from head injuries - speaking as someone married to a head injuriy victim, you have to assue that while many functions may be recovered, the recovery will never be total.)

Think Progress - What scares me more than the fact he says this is the fact that so many will believe him when it is so clearly false.

Robert Reich - TC, there may be no charge to die, but you better believe your survivors will get hit up in every way imaginable, and probably some ways you never imagined, since you are not a sociopath. Incidentally, the guy who accurately predicted the day the signups would his 5 million is not predicting a total of 6.22 million by deadline (Daily Kos).

Cartoon - Yes, indeed.

Kit B (276)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 4:14 pm

Oh good grief, what happened to my comment?

Seems the second time was not the best time, 3:42

Our police have gone way over the top much too often lately. Nearly daily we hear these stories of peaceful protesters being severely injured. We read about people being molested when stopped for stopped for a moving violation. It seems every small town thinks they need to have a tank and a drone. Enough of this.

I suspect this guy has not read S 744, and that alone should disqualify him from talking out of his back side. There is no such provision in the Senate bill, it is not there. End of story. I don't like S 744, because it puts too much money in "protecting" a border that is already well protected. Not many are even making the effort to leave Mexico and come here legally on work visas. We invite them to come and work jobs that Americans don't want, but still are needed.

It never ceases to amaze me, the ACA is talked about endlessly on the Internet, TV and radio ads. Employers have been sent instruction guides, most librarians can help those who do not have a home computer, and still people claim to not know the rules. At least 5 million so far and numbers keep climbing as people find that rumor central is just dead wrong.

Do you wonder if Patrick Henry would consider this world one of liberty? Thanks TC.

Lynn Squance (235)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 4:24 pm
Puzzle — 3:35 A very elusive fellow, this iguana!

TPM — Good on Olsen! I wonder if further training of police officers using bean bags has been done.

Think Progress — Does the Senate bill force those fast tracked to actually apply for citizenship, or by not applying for citizenship, risk deportation? Either way, Steve Scalise (R-LA) is a hater and his comments show it.

"… it would force immigrants to become unwilling citizens of the U.S."

So when did this idiot give a rat's ass about the rights of people? "force … unwilling citizens"?

Robert Reich — I'm with Reich. Single payer would be awesome for Americans. I LOVE my Canadian universal health care. Could it be better? Of course, but there is no politically motivated death benefit . . . especially if we are successful in dumping Harper and his Harlots in 2015.

"The biggest problem on the horizon that may be beyond repair — …

But even here, remedies could evolve. States might use their state-run exchanges to funnel so many applicants to a single, low-cost insurer that the insurer becomes, in effect, a single payer. Vermont is already moving in this direction. In this way, the Affordable Care Act could become a back door to a single-payer system — every conservative’s worst nightmare."

I'd love to give this Republicanus/Teabagger rabble the worst of all nightmares!

Cartoon — "Give me liberty, or give death!" was great for Patrick Henry and the people of his time. But the right wingers have so distorted the idea of liberty. To the extent that one person's liberty infringes on another's means that no one has true liberty. And the Republicanus/Teabaggers are so extreme that their idea of liberty stops at the ends of their toes condemning the 99% to inequality. And then the "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as penned by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence is toast for the 99%. The only good Republicanus/Teabagger is a permanently unemployed one!

JL A (281)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 5:16 pm
I read yesterday it was over 6.2 million who had signed up under ACA. The business facts are facts just like the guest worker provisions are facts (but remember ideologues don't care about facts at odds with preferred beliefs). ACA does require providers to address quality of care and research suggests quality reduces costs related to errors and other adverse events when less than ideal care was originally provided.

I can hear Patrick Henry crying from his grave that he didn't sacrifice for this pretense of liberty.

Edith B (146)
Sunday March 23, 2014, 8:40 pm
I hope you got all your work caught up! House work is like breathing, you have to do it over and over again.

TPM: I hope a few more Occupy people win huge settlements. We still have the right to protest and if enough local governments get hit in the purse they will be less likely to act like thugs when we do.

Think Progress: Do you suppose Scalise has even read any Democratic proposals> What a doofus! .

Robert Reich: I shared his article on FB, telling my friends to get enlightened. My sister was in S. C. this week and she said they are running ads on radio and tv telling people that the ACA is causing small businesses to close down because they can't afford it. Looks like the Dems would step in here and run some counter ads with , like, you know, theTRUTH?

Cartoon: I wonder what he would think of our liberty now?

TomCat S (129)
Monday March 24, 2014, 12:20 am
Thanks and kudos to all.

Hugs to Terrie. Feerl better.

I'll bury someday.

Robert O (12)
Monday March 24, 2014, 12:31 am
Thanks Tom. Take care.

Past Member (0)
Monday March 24, 2014, 3:14 am
Thanks Tom.

Arielle S (313)
Monday March 24, 2014, 6:17 am
Too bad Robert Reich isn't contagious - we could spread him all over Congress and actually become a decent, working democracy. I recently saw that the Philippines is the most dangerous place in the world for politicians - could we please get a few tickets out to a good many politicians?

David C (131)
Monday March 24, 2014, 1:12 pm
noted, thanks, and spam flagged.

TomCat S (129)
Monday March 24, 2014, 10:31 pm
Thanks all.

Arielle, it's too bad the Republican Reich IS contagious!!

James Maynard (84)
Monday March 24, 2014, 10:43 pm
Steve Scalise has less mental capacity
than the iguana in the puzzle.
The ACA is terribly flawed, but, will
IMNSHO eventually morph into a good
single payer system.
Iguanas are actually quite fast....I am
not ...sad, sad time on the puzzle.

Patsy Olive (0)
Wednesday March 26, 2014, 11:50 am

. (0)
Wednesday March 26, 2014, 7:36 pm

Past Member (0)
Monday March 31, 2014, 6:35 pm
Tom Cat must be spring cleaning!

Kerrie G (116)
Tuesday April 1, 2014, 12:02 am
Noted, thanks.
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