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Energy Armageddon


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Climate Change, environment, green energy )

TomCat
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TomCat S. (234)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 12:24 am
The clock is ticking on climate change, and most of the world wants to do something about it. In spite of the Republican meme denying climate change, because that party is in thrall to fossil fuel profiteers. The reality is not hard to understand. Either we reduce the amount of carbon we are putting into the atmosphere, or we face some ugly consequences, as the leaked UN preliminary report makes clear.
 

Lona Goudswaard (72)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 4:21 am
The Dutch papers and news media paid a lot of attention to this report too and what they concentrated on was at some levels even more devastating than this article.
Whatever we do, we're going to hit the 2 C warming and this is going to have devastating effects, with among other things extreme weather. The 2 C rise is here to stay, it will not be reduced by reducing carbon emissions. Reduction will at best slow further warming down. The cooling of which the UN report speaks, can only limit further increases, but it can't get the temperatures to fall below the 2 C increase so the extreme weather is here to stay.
The conclusion of the rapport is that not only must we do absolutely everything to limit further global warming by cutting carbon emissions drastically and right now, but we also prepare ourselves for devastating draughts, floods, hurricanes and the like and for rising sea levels.
And this at a time where the only people who have the money to invest and if not turn the tide then keep it at manageable levels are the same people who deny climate change, invest money in making other people believe its is only natural fluctuation and continue to make money from fossil fuels and their devastating emissions.

Your list of actions to take is only the beginning, TomCat,: end all fossil fuel subsidies, institute a carbon tax, and subsidize green energy, green energy R & D, and conservation. It should also include using the taxes to build infrastructures to guard against the erratic and extreme weather and the rise of sea levels and every country should do so.
Australia had introduced a carbon tax under the previous labour/green coalition, but the new right wing government has maddeningly kept its promise to throw it out. Most governments fail to see that the shift towards green energy may give failing economies a kick start by creating a lot of new jobs, so I fear there's little chance the GOP is going to change it's tune. So there you have it, yet another reason to get rid of them. If we don't get rid of our right wing governments, we are all just as culpable for the Armageddon to come.
 

Arielle S. (316)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 5:59 am
You're so right, Lona - I think it was Woody Guthrie who said, "if you want to end the war, you gotta sing loud".
And this IS war. Big oil is never going to go quietly - it's all up to us to throw the bums out or force them into alternatives. Every time I see the ads for "clean energy", I want to scream - the technology for real clean, alternative energy is there but like every other major change, it will require investment, education, and willingness.
We have a long way to go and not much time to get there...
 

Pat A. (116)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 7:01 am


Lona is right we are stuck with the disaster (to many people, most of them poor, thus ignored by governments) of the 2 degree centigrade rise in temperature therefore more extreme weather all the time. I have been buying green energy for a long time, in an attempt to try and help (though obviously on a miniscule scale) we need governments to act. The trouble is that we have politicians in charge there are no 'statesmen' left they at least could see further than a)their own self interest and b) next week in politics!

What do politicians want? To be re-elected and to stay in power. Sadly an astronomically small number of politicians want the welfare of the majority of the population and the world.

Have just seen what Arielle put - I agree and have been writing to politicians for several years to say we need a new Green Industrial Revolution - and how Sweden and Germany are long out of recession and doing very well - and are heading the Green Technologies! Sadly not one of the politicians listened....


 

Pat A. (116)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 7:02 am
Drat - can't send Lona another star as I have just done so - but you deserve another star, Lona!
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 7:29 am
I sent a star to Lona for myself AND for you, Pat!
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 7:33 am

Well said by everyone. I think I am developing an attitude about making the life-saving changes that must happen. "Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way". We have "talked" about this for 40 years and there is no room for more debate, in fact it never was a debate. a+b=c one solid thing that can be relied on is that science will give answers, update that information and as time progresses give us new and better answers. As we are moving toward the use of solar, and wind for energy production and both are combining to employ more people than fossil fuels, the train is leaving the station get on board or be left behind. These are not fanciful ideas, but cold hard realities. We do not need gas to supplement solar, that is proven. Should a country or here states be heavily shaded both the use of batteries for solar and wind for an alternative will suffice for all of us. Though we sure do need to learn how to be more cautious in every thing we do, from our use of fuel to what we throw out as trash. Learning how to recycle properly, and even if one lives in an apartment; we can combat the megalithic food companies by growing our own or buying from local organic growers. The more who do this the lower the prices will be and the less the profit for Monsanto and the rest. The same is true for oil, gas and coal. Alternative fuel sources continue to grow and leave them behind.

But the republicans you might say. They have the money powers behind them, but we still have the power of the vote. Get out there, get educated and vote for the best interest of our future growth. Help sign up new voters and if needed help them get proper ID. Vote in big numbers and the money will be as useless as it was in 2012.

Thanks TC.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 10:27 am
I agree with all of your recommendations and would add protecting National Parks and Monuments from fracking, ensuring cities and towns have and keep the right to exclude fracking, immediately yanking all drilling permits for the Arctic and never, never issuing any more.

I do feel deeply for everyone who is younger than I and/or has children and/or grandchildren. You are the ones who are going to suffer. Eventually poverty or wealth won't even matter because there will be no place to go.

I have been using a carbon-offset-type program myself through Pear Energy, which recently moved their offices to Massachusetts from Florida, so presumably they will not be submerged any time soon. You can check them out at their own site and on Greenwashing. I personally think the advertising is honest if you read it and aren't an idiot (and do one here is). If your local utility has a program you can check it out too.
 

Mitchell D. (130)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 11:15 am
Green stars to all of you!! I like those recommendations, but, yes, we need more than that.
Perhaps we can push to have subsidies (aka: corporate welfare) to the fossil fuel industry dependent on their implementing corrective actions, because, sadly, we can't just make them go away.
But that push would have to entail a major social effort, as they virtually own the current political system, here, perhaps elsewhere, as well.
 

Chris C. (150)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 11:23 am
I urge everyone to watch this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn2Cd3Dwwnk
It will be on HBO soon - and countless people will finally see what climate change is doing and the causes - lots of celebrities etc.
 

Chris C. (150)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 11:26 am
Oops - sorry - it'll be on SHOWTIME...and here is a link to a much longer version. It is pretty mind-blowing...at least it will be for those who are ignorant of what is really going on!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brvhCnYvxQQ
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 12:43 pm
P.S. - To follow up, I got this link in an email from the Union of Concerned Scientists just now.
 

Dave C. (224)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 1:21 pm
unfortunately with respect to climate change everyone...especially my children and their peers will be effected by the ignorance, laziness, selfishness, comfort-loving, selfish, etc behaviors of those before them.........
 

Chris C. (150)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 1:30 pm
Joanne DIxon: Thank you for that link. It just shows how corrupt some politicians and media are! Not to mention the wackjobs out that. But it's an interesting idea:
"Torcello argues from a moral and philosophical standpoint that those who purposefully engage in misinformation campaigns ought to be considered criminally negligent. As he explains, the core idea of criminal negligence as a legal and moral concept is that people can be held responsible when they fail to exercise reasonable care that takes into account the potential harm their actions may cause to others. And, as Torcello rightly contends, climate misinformation campaigns are already causing widespread harm.
 

Roger Garin-michaud (105)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 1:57 pm
noted, thanks
 

Debra Van Way (12)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 2:30 pm
Yeah, we need to lead, follow or in my world view-run them down if they try to stand in our way to stop climate change from getting even worse. You can't count on the bought and paid for politicians to do anything at all.
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 3:14 pm
"World powers are running out of time to slash their use of high-polluting fossil fuels and stay below agreed limits on global warming, a draft U.N. study to be approved this week shows."

Leaked report makes it sound as if this is news. Al Gore made all of this crystal clear in An Inconvenient Truth, circa 2007, though the scientific community was in full roar long before that. The sad thing is I think we are already too late. What we have made of this beautiful blue oasis in space, an Eden, is turn into the largest dump in the sky. What Al demonstrated so conclusively 7 years ago was that the last time Co2 got over 400ppm in our atmosphere it resulted in Snowball Earth, the entire globe encased in a mile or more of ice. That happens when the oceanic currents that drive our weather shut down, they shut down when the level of Co2 gets over 400ppm. Not rocket science, not even close. That kind of event, which I fear is no longer avoidable, because NO one anywhere with any power at all is actually doing anything but talking and the time for talking is past as is the time for action that could prevent what is coming.

Snow ball earth will extinguish all oxygen breathing creatures on this planet, including in the oceans, because not enough sunlight can penetrate that much ice to allow photosynthesis to occur. So, 50,000 or so years into the future, the planet will have cleansed itself of our toxins, our lives and will emerge from that snow ball as an oasis again for new life. My only real hope now is that the next sentient species to arise can read the fossil record well enough to not make the mistakes we have made. That life, sentient life, gets another chance here, because we have surely thrown our chance away. It may be a few generations yet before we see the things Al predicted, based on sound science, come to pass, but come they will. We can't buy our way out of everything and unless we develop star travel before that happens, homo sapiens along with countless oxygen breathing co-inhabitants of this planet will be long gone. Something will take our place, I just hope it is a lot smarter than we have proven to be. Because truth be told, as stewards of this place, we suck, we really suck.
 

tasunka m. (337)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 3:49 pm
There is a cure, albeit radical
the green grass uses carbon to live, if they grass fed every cow, not only would the earth thank them, the cows might be healthier and in turn meat eaters, unlike myself. ..but it should work, they have done the science
EVERYONE just has to be less greedy about meat, and more sensitive to the earth, it's soil needs a major reboot, and a kinder approach to the way we treat farm animals.
 

JL A. (273)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 3:58 pm
Earlier today I read where 700 multinational corporations were proposing an absolute carbon cap to governments--I suspect the cap may be high and confess I didn't read the whole list to see whether energy companies were among the missing...every single thing we can do that helps will help a little.
 

Edith B. (143)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 8:22 pm
Climate change has been talked about since the seventies, sadly that is about all that has been done, talking about it. When the earth is in such bad shape that no food can be grown and no water can be found, it will be too late. The deniers claim this is cyclical and has happened before, and you cannot change their minds. Of course, the carbon producers will do all they can to back up this theory. I worry about the world my granddaughter will inhabit.
 

TomCat S. (234)
Tuesday April 8, 2014, 11:42 pm
Thanks to all. Kudos to Lona.
Yes, what I recommended is only the beginning, but it's a place to start.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 12:01 am
If we each take responsibility for our own actiions making the shift to green renewable energy, driving less, recycling etc, the total positive effect is greater.

I remember a Superman comic in which a 10 year old kid threw a gum wrapper on the sidewalk. Superman admonished the kid. "But it is only one wrapper!" the kid replied. Then Superman showed the kid what it would look like if everybody did the same and had his attitude. The kid was literally buried in gum wrappers.

When we conserve etc, we don't often notice. But when everyone does, it is noticeable.
 

Keith H. (0)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 5:13 am
Thanks
 

Wayne W. (12)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 10:19 am
Thank you, Tom.

What can we do with intransigent ignorance as in this article from Forbes? His argument is that developers are still building on the coast and cities have announced no plans for sea walls, so climate change must be a hoax.

Are Global Warming Alarmists Shane Smith And Bill Maher Moving To Texas?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntamny/2014/03/30/are-global-warming-alarmists-shane-smith-and-bill-maher-moving-to-texas/

One aspect that doesn't get as much press as melting ice is ocean acidification accompanying warming oceans. Check out this 8 minute video of Bill Maher's interview with Paul Watson. Some mighty scary stuff that's backed up by observable events. At about 4:00.

Sea Shepherd's Captain Paul Watson on Real Time with Bill Maher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TJilRIJzBA

World's fisheries gone by 2048; coral reefs gone by 2025. "If the oceans die, we die. We don't live on this planet with a dead ocean".
 

tasunka m. (337)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 1:57 pm
Good point, however the reefs are already dying
and from sunscreens, no less.
it's frightening when starfish are melting, and no one knows why.
 

Edith B. (143)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 8:53 pm
Climate change has been talked about since the seventies, sadly that is about all that has been done, talking about it. When the earth is in such bad shape that no food can be grown and no water can be found, it will be too late. The deniers claim this is cyclical and has happened before, and you cannot change their minds. Of course, the carbon producers will do all they can to back up this theory. I worry about the world my granddaughter will inhabit.
 

TomCat S. (234)
Wednesday April 9, 2014, 11:38 pm
Spam is to the Internet what pollution is to the environment,

Lynn, I can't begin to imagine responsibility from Koch Industries.
 

Scott haakon (4)
Thursday April 10, 2014, 6:54 pm
Nope. This so chicken little that it needs no help. What happens when the people realize that the energy usage is going to go way up in a technological civilization. What is needed is much more cheap energy and it the alternative are no scalable the the is the need for more R&D funding. Already the US navy has started seawater to fuel technology. There are more new technology on the way. A lot of the whining is to try and force control over people when it clear it is unnecessary. As new device and method take over the complaints wil die a natural death.
 

Danuta Watola (1210)
Friday April 11, 2014, 4:03 am
noted
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Friday April 11, 2014, 10:56 am
Noted
 

Jonathan Harper (0)
Saturday April 12, 2014, 7:31 am
Noted
 

Gloria picchetti (299)
Saturday April 12, 2014, 9:20 am
We just had the worst winter in Chicago and it might snow this Monday! But there is not global warming! It's like a science fact movie.
 

A F. (132)
Saturday April 12, 2014, 5:59 pm
thank you
 

Cynthia no frwd B. (266)
Sunday April 13, 2014, 8:30 am
reefs are dying, starfish melting, trees destroyed, water poisoned from fracking, GMO's and stupid human pollution
The clock has been ticking and ignored for years Man is the plague on Mother earth
Love you Lona
thx Tomcat for posting
 
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