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Open Thread - 5/10/2012

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread )

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).

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JL A (281)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 5:45 am
Ronnie's original CA welfare queen drove a new cadillac [subtle race card] and collected under 10 identities at different offices as I recall (some may have died, some ficticious) and was charged for the offense(s) before he ever won the election (i.e., system sufficed to catch her). The press did additional investigation and found a history of her family having been denied benefits they should have received prior to her effort to make up the difference. He then wasted CA taxpayers' money with a major fraud prevention program that ended up costing exponentially more than any fraud identified and stopped. It remain his signature program however so he pushed for welfare reform having already done what he could to erase the image of deserving poor and paint the beneficiaries as lacking morals. The welfare to work requirements were pushed when the numbers said the average length of time anyone received benefits was three years.
At least three of the Democrats on your list are in very tight races according to the polls; the number on the list seems like a token level of bipartisanship often used in a trade for similar votes on something else.
Europe has moved for transactions taxes to address this inequity that didn't exist as a possibility when codes were drafted (computing capacity couldn't have done the high speed trades back then). Returning capital gains to a rate comparable to earned income would also help (I like the label that this is unearned income somehow).
Often our weak areas may be stronger than others' skills in it so I give you kudos for rising to the occasion and need.

Gloria p (304)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 5:46 am
Turtle right puzzle time; 4:58.

I was raised in poverty. It was simply horrible. As a young person I kept myself above water. Then I had a good job for twenty years. When that ended I couldn't find another job. Everything I ever worked for is gone. If the republicans want to they can shoot me. I don't care. It would better to be dead than listen to them bitch about things they don't understand and refuse to take care of the right way.

Lona G (80)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 7:05 am
Kudos to you for doing all that horrible paperwork without falling back on old comforting habits, TomCat. Keep up the good work.

Upworthy: Of course people are not on welfare for personal gain and of course there will be a very small group who like things as they are and defraud the system. But both in percentages and in the amount of money involved, this is dwarfed by the people who make a lot of money but still haven't enough and use any means to get more. And I think you are rather mellow today, TomCat, in predicting the US will devolve into a rigid caste system. Others have called it fascism outright.

NY Times: Sometimes I'm having a really hard time that this is happening in the same country that coined the phrase "War on Poverty" 50 years ago, but now is number one in inequality. The War on Poverty seems to have turned into the War on the Poor and the Middle Class, while according to Krugman it should be "Tax the Wealthy", just as it was 50 years ago too.

Crooks and Liars: Follow the money? It seems that at the next elections not only the GOP needs to be voted out of government, but also all of those who have been infected by the GOP pox.

Cartoon: And books on science, I expect.

Jim P (3257)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 8:52 am
Crooks and Liars: Witch Hunt

Benghazi ‘witch hunt’ role tests Democrats
Rachel Maddow explains the challenging question Democrats are facing with the formation of the new Benghazi select committee: boycott the hearings to protest a partisan witch hunt, participate to ensure having a voice, or something in the middle?

Skip Benghazi ‘witch hunt’? Democrats ponder
Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, chair of the Democratic National Committee, talks with Rachel Maddow about how Democrats can give voice to the minority in the new Benghazi select committee without dignifying what they see as a partisan stunt.

Why There Is No Cure for the GOP's Benghazi Fever

ty, tc.

Joanne Dixon (38)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 9:03 am
4:59 Every turtle deserves the right to stick its neck out. (Average up to 4:56)

Upworthy - I would say that you are preaching to the converted, but the fact is that the converted need all the evidence we can get. Incidentally, even families NOT on public assistance don't put enough into retirement. I'll bet what the families receiving are spending is minimum car insurance required by law and that is it.

NY Times - "People have a right to keep what they earn" - These guys may MAKE a lot of money but I don't see how they can possibly even believe themselves that they EARN it.

Crooks and Liars - I am certainly not saying these Representative shouldn't be called on this, but, to talk about one, Ron Barber "inherited" Gabi Giffords' district. It's an extremely tough district for Democrats and he is under heavy ad fire from the Koch brothers. I can't help suspecting that a vote on a highly visible issue is a campaign ploy only. Particularly a vote that didn't make a rat's patoot worth of difference. (If all seven had voted no, the vote would have been 225-193. Only a simple majority was required.) I don't know the other districts well but even if you just look at the states they are in the same scenario is certainly a possibility. I just hope it doesn't backfire as I'm sure their Republican opponenets are far worse. It appears JL A feels the same.

Cartoon - You mean Jews wrote the Koran?

P A (117)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 9:51 am
Thanks TC I agree with everything you say but can't comment further – kidney stones again – argh!

Pat B (356)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 11:04 am
Upworthy: The figures are dismal, to say the least. The poor and poorest are in dire straits, meanwhile the RePugs are getting richer, and continuing to argue about Benghazi.
Crooks and Liars: These seven need to be voted out. The Dems should, and need to boycott the investigation of Benghazi too. I liked your analogy on this.
Cartoon: From the US Holocaust Memorial Museum page: "In a symbolic act of ominous significance, on May 10, 1933, university students burned upwards of 25,000 volumes of “un-German” books, presaging an era of state censorship and control of culture.
I am very sure that others note your work ethics, and you are appreciated. It's a headache, but you are getting it done. (and that's good.!!). Have a great day, rest and cap nap, take care, and Thanks, Tom.

David C (129)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 11:41 am
my puzzle time remains way "above average" i.e. still very slow.....loved the Krugman piece

Birgit W (160)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 2:09 pm
Thanks TC.

James Maynard (84)
Saturday May 10, 2014, 3:28 pm
Yikes! Am slower than the turtle....

Colin Hope (243)
Sunday May 11, 2014, 12:57 am
Thanks for sharing!!

TomCat S (128)
Sunday May 11, 2014, 11:45 pm

Mike m (9)
Friday May 16, 2014, 4:41 pm
Under President Obama, Benghazi happened. Under President Cheney, Calcutta, Karachi, Denpasar, Islamabad, Riyadh, Tashkent, Jeddah, Karachi, Damascus, Athens, Sanaa, Istanbul, and Sanaa happened. That looks like 14 to 1. Where was all the hand-wringing and Congressional Committees? The Repugs only get votes because they know that Americans have the memory of a gnat.
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