Wednesday June 11, 2014, 12:16 am
I still know very little. A gun-nut opened fire at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, OR, a few mile away. The shooter is dead. One student is dead. Neither has been identified and we know nothing about the what motivated the perpetrator. One teacher was wounded, but was treated at the scene. By the time I post this, we will probably have more info.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 1:45 am
'Tuesday morning's fatal shooting at Reynolds High School is the 74th shooting on an American school campus since a lone gunman's attack on Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown, Conn., in December 2012.
The list of shootings, which includes 13 school shootings in the first six weeks of this year, was compiled by Moms Demand Action for Guns Sense in America.
The 73rd shooting, according to the group, was last week's shooting at Seattle Pacific University, which claimed the life of a 19-year-old Westview High School graduate.
"We continue to keep it updated," said Stacey Radnor, a spokeswoman for the organization…'
I'm from Seattle, Washington. Was shocked, of course. The SPU campus is a lovely one. I went there, as I remember, to a building on or very near that campus, to get free mammograms, many years ago. There was some kind of a program...
These are just the SCHOOL shootings. Then, there are all those OTHER very recent mass shootings, too...
Pretty soon people will be afraid to leave their homes to go ANYwhere....
There are all these "Open Carry" NUTS who want to TAKE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS WITH THEM EVERYWHERE THEY GO... the "Ammosexuals", as Bill Mahr said.
"Whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad..."
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 3:33 am
When I saw this on the late news last night, as killings at schools still get our attention :-((, and I heard that it was in Oregon, I immediately thought: "The attacks on schools with assaults rifles is truly everywhere in America, even in the liberal states. There's nothing going to stop those gun nuts, gun sales will only soar again." But my soul seems to get a bit more calloused, as we say, until I saw the video of Fox news with this so-called psychiatrist, who has to resort coming on this show because, I fervently hope, he has no patients to speak of. This man is disgrace to his profession, and Fox News hasn't a profession to disgrace, as it isn't even close to news, its a perverted brainwash.
American culture is really starting to scare me, not only have school shootings and mass killings become epidemic, a very large portion of gun-owners seem to have been infected with ammosexuality and because the bible says nothing against that they easily overcome their usual prudishness and flaunt it everywhere. I've been trying very hard the last year or so to understand the way the average American (a small minority on Care2) thinks, but it's hopeless, it makes no sense.
The interviewer said that some of the shootings were premeditated (at 42 seconds)…. SOME of it?! Under what circumstances do children carry assault rifles to school without thinking about it?!! 'Dr' Ablow makes me remember some of the awful mistakes that psychiatrists have made, and the awful laws (and lack of any real system of gun control) that America has.
Apparently Australia had a terrible mass shooting a couple of decades ago and as a result tightened up its gun laws considerably – there are now very few shootings in Australia and I think the culture is still very macho – none of them feel emasculated by having access to assault rifles denied them!
As I am sure we can all remember, being a teenager is hard enough without some of them having access to assault rifles – how utterly awful for everyone.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 6:29 am
Another shooting at a school? Ho hum, yawn.... At least, that appears to be the NRA attitude. Thank you so much, NRA, for your part is allowing this to happen over and over and over again. Gun reforms would not stop this completely, no, but good grief, what is it going to take? How many more have to die before common sense prevails? As Mr. Martinez said, he didn't think much about it all until it was his son that was killed - does everyone have to lose someone dear before we wake up?
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 6:50 am
Until we address the issue of mental illness TOGETHER with better gun laws this will continue throughout America. These people think violence is their answer and it's not.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 7:15 am
"The 16 states that have criminal background checks for all gun sales have fewer shootings and should serve as an example for the others, but politicians are afraid to take on the gun lobby.
" The single most important thing we can do to keep guns out of dangerous hands is require criminal background checks for all gun sales. In the 16 states that have them:
*38% fewer women are shot to death by their partners
*39% fewer on-duty police officers are shot and killed
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 7:43 am
Another shooting. Gawd, it's getting alful. Pretty soon, the schools will have barbed wire with razor on the top around the campuses, and security guards protecting the students and staff from unknown assailants with GUNS. Kids from K through 12, and colleges, are now learning the 'Shelter-in-Place, Lockdown, and Evacuation alongside with their curriculum, as if it's common knowledge. As a retired school employee, I'm horrified, stunned, and heartbroken that these tragedies continue.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 8:26 am
Noted One 14 yr old is dead as a result of this. This was enough before it even got started. Parents should be held accountable for the guns in their homes not being locked away so this can not happen. It's far time to rid the country of guns.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 8:27 am
The only way we will achieve anything as long as the organized gun maker opposition that is the NRA exists will be if sane and responsible NRA members leave the NRA and form a new organization for sane gun owners, and then fight with us.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 12:49 pm
Why is anyone shocked anymore. I'm not certain what the magic figure is before Americans get serious and want this to truly end. All I can see now is more legislation being voted in for MORE guns in more places including bars. Like that isn't a nasty situation waiting to happen. Unfortunately, it's always the children that pay for the mistakes of the misguided adults, which are in abundance in the USA.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 1:20 pm
Shocked that a culture and a society that embraces military expansion all over the world and meddling in the affairs of other countries by force is our foreign policy, why should we be surprised in a culture that glorifies cop shows and military shows as our heroes using force to solve all the worlds problems would turn to shooting people to make a statement. Shocked that a country that has very little mental health treatment for our criminally insane and turns them loose out on the street feeding the masses SSRI drugs that cause depression and violence would not have even more shootings every day. (sarcasm) You think the answer is taking away guns its not first you have to do something about the culture of violence and the lack of treatment for the mentally ill.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 3:55 pm
I’m no longer shocked by mass shootings. Which is not to say that I’m not infuriated beyond belief. And absolutely appalled at the insensitivity of anyone who could say anything as abysmally self-centered as, “Your dead kids don’t trump my gun rights.”
Daily Kos had an interesting article about an active-duty Army officer who occasionally posts on Esquire’s ‘The Politics Blog’:
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 4:38 pm
Thank you Dianna. I leave some of his words here.
"The opinions here are only those of somebody that thinks a “Patriot Movement”—one which executes police officers—is not working in the service of the nation. They are only the opinions of someone who believes that “Tea Party members" who shoot policemen in the head— executing them at point blank range and then declaring that the “revolution” is starting before placing a Don't Tread on Me flag atop the dead bodies of the police officers you just killed in cold blood—are not good." Lt Col Robert Bateman
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 9:19 pm
How many people, including children, have to die by guns before the NRA will wake up and see that they have actually made things worse?
How many people, children included, have to die before the general public says ENOUGH and votes the idiots out of Congress, state and federal?
How many more petitions do we have to sign before Someone does Something about this?
As the general public is allowed to carry more and more firepower on the streets and in public places, law enforcement is arming more like the military. Will any of us be shocked if theses two groups start killing each other in the same public streets we walk, bike, and drive...
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 9:49 pm
It sure was a lot easier on this country when the all of the yahoos had their egos stroked enough by which one had the biggest 4 wheel drive truck with the most mud on it. Sadly for us, they seem to have all gradjeeated to guns. I wish sanity would, for once, prevail over insanity so that senseless killings and this horrible culture of violence that is being fed by the techno corps would end. It isn't safe anymore. This country, with all of it's freedom, is not safe anymore.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 10:10 pm
It is sad and sickening to hear and read of all the killings at schools, one place all kids should feel safe. At the rate we are going this country will return to the old West days, when everybody thought he was a gunslinger and daily killing was common
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 11:04 pm
I am so sick of hearing the cry of the 2nd amendment rights. . . of the right to carry guns if "I" want. What about what society wants? Kids are getting killed. People are getting killed. And for what!?
And what particularly makes me angry is that American gun violence is seeping into Canada! Talk about a porous border! Last week RCMP constables in Moncton, NB. This week, a business owner severely wounded and 5 Vancouver police constables put in danger from a 61 year old man who likely was recently terminated from his employment.
Indeed, mental health has to be on the top of the list for funds and access.
I read somewhere that a conservative in the US spouted "guns don't kill people, people kill people". That is right. However guns are the tool employed for this miscreant action. Remove the guns from the equation AND treat mental illness.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 11:32 pm
Thanks to all. I was not shocked that there was yet another school shooting, but that it was so close to my home. I agree, and said in the article that we need to address more than just the gun issue. But all the issues we need to address have one common factor. Republicans are standing in the way of action to address them.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 11:40 pm
I think I have reached a saturation point and right now I cannot think of anything constructive to say that hasn't already been expressed over and over here. It needs to end. It's gone way too far and beyond that. Love to all who are affected by this, try to stay strong and not lose hope, we can find a way to change it somehow.
Wednesday June 11, 2014, 11:59 pm
A national mothers’ group called Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America has called for Target to change its policies on the open carrying of guns.
Advocates for stricter gun laws claim that Target stores in many states have recently been used as the site of demonstrations by groups condoning open-carry policies. In particular, the state of Texas has lax guns laws which permit individuals to carry rifles openly, and has been the site of many such open-carry demonstrations in Target stores.
Members of the mothers’ advocacy group have argued that Target is a place where many families shop and where many teens work. The group heartily condemns the demonstrations of individuals who flaunt open-carry laws. The Wall Street Journal reports that the National Rifle Association has put forth conflicting responses to the demonstrations. Initially, a spokesperson called the Target demonstrations “…downright weird… and downright scary,” but the group has since rescinded this perspective and continues to support open-carry laws. As executive director Chris W. Cox put it, “…our job isn’t to criticize the lawful behavior of fellow gun owners.”
The Moms Demand Action coalition has already effected change in several national chain stores, including Chipotle, Starbucks, Chili’s, Sonic Drive-In, and Jack in the Box.
Join us in urging Target to change its policies to enforce a no-open-carry policy.
Thursday June 12, 2014, 6:47 am
America should be shocked by this school shooting but I think not so much any more. Americans would rather have their guns and be dammed about the consequences. We need more mental health counseling available and less stigma associated with it and more effective gun laws. Until such time this will be common place in America. I am disgusted by it all. This just doesn't have to happen in America.
Thursday June 12, 2014, 10:33 am
St. Ronnie is directly responsible for
the dismantling of the nation's mental
What is shocking to me is the absolute
lack of political will to address any part
of the obvious major problem we have
in the U.S.A. with guns.
Thursday June 12, 2014, 3:57 pm
Here is a Message I have just sent to my Congresspeople and to the President:
'As the Tide of Blood rises higher and higher - of our CHILDREN'S Blood, also - seemingly nothing is being done to stop it - NEITHER increased funding for Mental Health diagnosis and treatment - NOR Rational Gun Control Laws. It seems the Gun Manufacturers who control the NRA now, are having it all their own way - their way being, to care NOTHING AT ALL for Human Death and Suffering, because they can make simply ENORMOUS PROFIT$$$$$ off of it.
We need to Nationalize, to CLOSE DOWN the evil Gun Manufacturers, LIMIT their production - especially their production of Automatic Weapons and the accompanying Ammunition - but that seems merely an idle dream! However, this is a NATIONAL EMERGENCY, akin to Wartime! The Terrorists are HOME-GROWN, and subscribe to the name of "Patriotism"! This is a NATIONAL EPIDEMIC, as the Casualties drop day after day! Too bad nobody has the GUTS to assume Wartime Emergency Powers, drastic measures would of course provoke a new Civil War from the Gun Crazies - but, maybe it's the only thing left! At least, CURB OR SHUT DOWN THE GUN MANUFACTURERS, it is THEY who are responsible!!! NO MORE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS! Not in CIVILIAN hands. Such weapons should be ONLY FOR THE MILITARY - and NOT sold for Profit$$$$$! That would do much.....'
Is this a New Way of thinking about the subject? I also sent this Message to the recently-elected member of the Seattle City Council who is a SOCIALIST - it is she who was mainly in back of the just-passed $15 minimum wage in Seattle!
Regardless of whether you think this idea is nuts - to take over, or at least to LIMIT, the production of the Gun Manufacturers - as the U.S. took over auto production and plane production, etc., for wartime purposes during the emergency of WWII -
Regardless if you think this idea will never fly, you can STILL WRITE YOUR CONGRESSPEOPLE AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS. Let 'em know you're STILL HERE! Can do it every Week, or whenever you feel moved to.....
Thursday June 12, 2014, 6:16 pm
so if the teachers have guns, and can spin around from the white board in time to reach their desk where the gun is supposedly locked up to keep students from getting it, would there be enough time to shoot the crazed student? What if YOUR child gets hit in the cross fire, or from a richocheting bullet in the room, or a loose shot into the next room.