Monday July 21, 2014, 12:52 am
If I’m in the mood for some relatively violent entertainment, I can watch Broncos game films (until the Holy Ellipsoid Orb returns). For even more violence, I can turn on the fights, where sometimes a hockey game breaks out. Or for the most violence of all, there are children’s cartoons on network TV. But fans of Butcher Ben Netanyahu get to enjoy a front rows seat where they can cheer the rain of Israeli bombs killing Palestinian children.
Monday July 21, 2014, 5:37 am
I saw this on TV and it really sickens me and reminded me of the time when they use to send people into the arena to be gorged to death by lions while people looked on and cheered.
Is one thing to be in a war action but another thing to be finding amusement and cheering over other people loosing their lives......no matter how much you believe they deserve it.
Monday July 21, 2014, 6:01 am
The whole Middle East is in chaos and Israel is most certainly doing all it can to make matters worse and to have most of their friend turn on them, which only seems to drive the Israeli government to even harsher acts. All who have read my comments on this issue here and on Carries posts, know I deplore what the government of Israel is doing and what it is turning into as a nation, but that I also believe than many Israelis do not want this either, despite what these horrible pictures of people cheering the bombardments on. And I think I can see where this utterly contemptible warmongering is coming from.
Fear, blinding, irrational, gut-wrenching fear.
The Jews have been persecuted and decimated throughout the centuries, with its peak in Nazi Germany and Israel was built on this fear and its resolution to never have this happen again. Because they remember that past so well (and have not forgotten) any slightest provocation is enough to make them retaliate beyond reason, beyond humanitarian boundaries, beyond ethical boundaries. Israel has been caught up in this fear so badly that it not only doesn't see it only leads to more animosity and hatred towards them but also led to a rationalising of their actions that has become the accepted way of thinking. And each retaliation or attacks leads to more fear and more rationalising away of their own guilt in the matter.
The fact that the Middle East is in such a turmoil, the fact that radical Islam is taking over in so many areas and the fact that the screaming voices of these fanatics, calling for a Jihad, are heard above the many voices of reason that are there too but are simply drowned out by Hezbollah, ISIS, the Muslim Brotherhood, the Taliban, Al Quaida... and to a lesser extend by the Turkish government of Erdogan. These voices only increase the fear in Israel even more, and part of this fear is justified and strengthens Israel's rationalisation of what it is doing, making it go down their spiral of fear and violence even further.
Turkey wanted to become part of the EU not so very long ago, but in recent years, with Erdogan as its leader it is turning this rather modern (secular) Turkish state into a strongly Islamic state and seems to have chosen to join the other Arabic states. So in this light Erdogans condemnation of Israel, however right he is and however much I agree on many points, must also be seen as a display of solidarity with the other Islamic countries and not so much as one with the NATO. Of course, given Israel's 'state of mind' this will only heighten their fear of being annihilated and making them lash out even more.
These past few days there have been demonstrations against Israel's actions in many countries. The one here in the Netherlands remained fairly peacefull, but in others like for instance France, it turned into anti-Semitic violence and rioting, again 'proving' to the Israel that the world is still after its destruction and the annihilation of all Jews, failing to see that the terrible spiral Israel and the Palestinians are caught up in is mainly responsible for this, driving their friends away and giving free reign to anti Semitism.
Yes, I do think Israel is perpetrating war crimes and I do think that it must stop and they should take responsibility for what they have been doing to the Palestinians since 1948 if the state of Israel is to survive, but I don't think it is because they have forgotten how much they were made to suffer in the past, but rather because they do remember it and will do anything to prevent that from happening again, even if it means that many lose their humanity in the process.
Sadly "the chosen ones" are not better people than you or I or any other human being, all humans are capable of this given the 'wrong' circumstances.
Monday July 21, 2014, 6:23 am
Everything you said Cat Man and Lona, to the Nth degree. To watch the death and destruction raining down on Palestinians --and CHEERING IT ON -- is revolting. ALL sides need to have their money and weapons stopped and be made to sit down like ADULTS and hash out a solution. The total annihilation of a people, either Israeli or Palestinian, is NOT a solution...it IS Genocide and a WAR CRIME.
Monday July 21, 2014, 6:24 am
Mandela spoke of the need, once you gained freedom, to seek the freedom of all others, too, as being the true test of being free; Israel is failing this test.
I, like Dandelion, thought of the Roman's entertainment when I heard of this one. Does it explain the earlier Facebook effort to paint Palestinians as celebrating Israeli deaths in this way?
A South African living in the US said his country gave no consideration to ending apartheid despite international condemnation until divestment efforts began to hurt.
Abe posted a comparison to events from the world wars last night highlighting what motivated many to turn against Germany were attacks in violation of international law (chemical attacks and attacking unarmed civilians)--is this what Ben is seeking from the rest of the world?
During the Vietnam era, many stopped believing in my country right or wrong and changed to supporting when in the right and fighting to change it when in the wrong. I've heard many Israelis (including Jews) disagree with Ben's choices and I pray that they garner sufficient strength to force a change towards humane choices and peace.
Monday July 21, 2014, 6:51 am
Butcher Ben is an apt nickname....I have lost any sympathy I had for Israel. Violence is never ever the answer. I was disappointed in Kerry's speech, too - how can anybody support mass murder?
Nameless and others are right – Netanyahu is a war criminal. As for the report in Raw Story – just when you think you have plumbed the depths of human callousness and sadism, they go and produce a new low – I am quite literally nauseated… excuse me – back later hopefully…..
Monday July 21, 2014, 9:13 am
It truly is creepy how throughout recorded history the Jewish people have consistently been the whipping boys of every society in which they happened to be. I realize one excuse for that has been that the Jews supposedly killed Christ, but even aside from the fact that the Jews didn't any more kill Christ than we all did, that's pathetic excuse for hate. Besides, the hatred of Jews goes MUCH farther back in history than that. They were hated just for being Jews.
In an ideal world, as several have said, these expweriences would lead to a prople of increased compassion, and determination never to mimic their persecutors. Unfortunately, it is not an ideal world, amd instead some have become paranoid about being persecuted and chosen to lash out in every possible way at what they see as persecution. That may be understandable, but it is not an excuse. It is also no more truly Jewish than supply-side Jesus is Christian. "The stranger in your midst you are to welcome as one of yourselves, for you were all strangers in Egypt."
What difference, except possibly in degree, is there beteen this paranoia and that of American "Christians" who, for example, sceream "War on Christmas!" if someone innocently says "Happy Holidays!" Unfortunately, every society, every group, is going to have its very own Republicans, and particularly if, as research come closer and closer to saying, some of the differences between righties and lefties are hard wired.
I am not saying there is any excuse for people who behave this way. I am saying not every Israeli, not every Jew feels like this, amd that is true worldwide. I am not Jewish, but Jewish Voices for Peace lets me sign their petitions deploring Israel's behavior.
American politicians seeking the "Jewish vote" need to learn what the "Jewish vote" really is. It is definitely NOT unthinkingly pro-Israel.
Monday July 21, 2014, 12:22 pm
"It truly is creepy how throughout recorded history the Jewish people have consistently been the whipping boys of every society in which they happened to be."
I can't believe that those moron's represent a majority of Israel's people. And I find them as disgusting as everyone else. What Joanne said though is something I've given thought. Through history, Jews (and there are interesting thoughts out there about what became of the other 11 tribes) have, as do Muslims, kept themselves apart from whatever culture they were living in. They did not acculturate as most immigrants do, they kept their own traditions, mode of dress and didn't intermarry, at least not often. That has changed somewhat here in the US, but through history they have been an island in whatever nation they sought refuge in and as is the case even today on our playgrounds, anyone "different" is a target for bullies. The Palestinians claim to the land Israel occupies is based on centuries of living there, but before that, Jews lived there. The Old Testament attests to the bloody way they came to occupy that land, but then, in that time, that is how all lands were claimed and held. By brute force. We Americans have this land because we used the same methods to take it.
What is going on there now is an extreme over-reaction - it seems to have begun with the kidnapping and murder of three Israeli teens, then the retaliation murder. There are two novels by Herman Wouk, a truly gifted writer, that taught me more about WWII and the years leading up to it than any history book I've ever read. Marvelous historical novels that capture the seeds of Germany's humbling after WWI and the horrors imposed upon them by the accords that ended it but led to conditions so severe in Germany that a man like Hitler was able to use to come to power and create the carnage of WWII, the Holocaust is forever burned into the Jewish world view. Herman wrote two additional novels dealing with the birth of Israel up to the six days war in the 1960's, the Hope and the Glory. Jews lived under tremendous pressure as they built that tiny nation into a force to be reckoned with - considering they are surrounded by nations dedicated to wiping them out, one can understand the fear that permeates life there.
The answer has to be a Palestinian state but that means other countries of the middle east must cooperate and they will not. What Israel is doing now is an extreme action but those tunnels they are destroying were not built for pleasure incursions or immigration but to conduct war on Israel. Rockets by the thousands rain down on Israel from Gaza. How could anyone expect Israel to simply accept that forever? We wouldn't? Were there tunnels like that at our southern border, wait, there are, we would do the same and destroy them. And our tunnels aren't used to wage war against us. Or to kidnap our soldiers or civilians. I don't know the answer, I guess that's the real problem there. No one does, no one is willing to compromise and so the death dealing continues perpetually. And every once in a while Israel has had enough and goes in on the ground to destroy the network of tunnels used to attack it. The civilian casualties are unacceptable for any reason but if combatants are using residential areas to launch rocket attacks they bear some responsibility for them too.
A negotiated peace is the only real answer but everyone there has to be willing to cede something for that to happen and so far, no one is. I don't believe the bible prophetic but if a third WW is to begin, that it begin in the middle east, well, that would not surprise me. Nowhere else on earth are the opponents so intransigent, so unwilling to compromise, so filled with hate that they would rather sacrifice their children then yield an inch or a comma in a treaty. That entire section of the world is like an infected open wound that never heals because people won't accept the treatment and keep ripping off the scabs. That has to stop. On both sides. This can't go on forever, reason, and love have to prevail eventually. Though when that might be, I confess I cannot imagine given what happens there every day and has for every day of my entire life. They need value life and love over blood and vengeance and so far neither side seems capable of that, though it is the only answer. So, so sad.
Monday July 21, 2014, 1:48 pm
"Groups of Israelis gather each evening on hilltops close to the Gaza border to cheer, whoop and whistle as bombs rain down on people in a war zone hell a few miles away." How horrible and pathetic to watch the atrocities continue in a party like atmosphere. This is sickening.
Monday July 21, 2014, 1:58 pm
Very sadly noted. Thanks for sharing, TC, even tho' the news is truly sickening. The ties that bind the Oppressor to the Oppressed (in general, not just the ME) are deep, mysterious and hopelessly twisted. One wishes for a Gordian Knot solution, quick and clean. No such luck...
Monday July 21, 2014, 2:58 pm
I'm not sure that those "spectators" aren't just TeaBaggers from another Mother.. there are always sadists around when you need them, too bad SO many are in Governments now days. *heavy disgusted sigh* Thanks for the url, JL A. Will sign!
Monday July 21, 2014, 3:49 pm
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
Pogroms, "…a violent riot aimed at massacre or persecution of an ethnic or religious group, particularly one aimed at Jews. … attacks on Jews in the Russian Empire (mostly within the Pale of Settlement in present-day Ukraine and Belarus); … most significant pogrom in Nazi Germany was the Kristallnacht of 1938 in which 91 Jews were killed, a further 30,000 arrested and subsequently incarcerated in concentration camps, …"
Throughout the past 2,000 years plus, there have been pogroms involving Jews. Kristallnacht is probably the best known today and lead to the holocaust.
With that history, one might understand why the Israelis fight as they do. But I don't. I would expect the longtime events to make the Israelis more aware of the adverse affects of persecution. Apparently not!
I think the US, Great Britain, Canada and others must stop mollycoddling Israel and demand change in their focus. I was reading earlier about the enmity between Netenyahu and Kahlid Mischal, leader of Hamas, in an online article in Vanity Fair (
The Botched Assassination Attempt That Binds Israel and Gaza's Warring Leaders). According to that article, King Hussein of Jordan, who had signed a peace pact with Israel, took Netenyahu to task when he sent Mossad after Mischal while Mischal was in Jordan. Netanyahu was forced to publicly "eat crow" by giving an antidote to the poison used on Mischal, and to release some Palestinian prisoners. The US was asked to intercede with Jordan on behalf of Israel, but refused to. It is time for that same kind of action again. It is time for the world to stop enabling Israel. Part of me wonders if this is Butcher Ben's way of retribution for having to "eat crow" after the failed attempt to assassinate Mischal. Is his ego that big?
Israel must turn back its settlements in the Palestinian lands it stole and return the land to the Palestinians. It must stop all aggression, as Hamas must also do.
Looking at the picture at the top of the article, I almost expect a barker to pass through calling out "Peanuts, popcorn, crackerjacks!" Truly sick to see the attempted genocide of an entire people perceived as entertainment!
That is a deeply disturbing picture, people watching others being killed as though it were a sporting event. I think this situation is all about money, just as things go here, Israel wants the land, the developers want to build, so they are going to keep it. No, Matter.What. You know, all of us who posted tonight are a minority. Almost everyone I have talked to about this has said Israel is just defending itself.
Monday July 21, 2014, 10:41 pm
Unless we are there, we shouldn't judge. And I say that because we just do not know both sides of the story. And we do not know that this has actually been happening. It could all be propaganda. There has been horrible treatment from both sides. And a long history of fighting. Islamic extremists in the area, and the problems that have continued to come due to Hamas. While it is awful that young people can become so full of hate that they will look at killing and bombing as entertainment, war is hell. And these people all live in hell. And if anyone knows about that, it would be the people in the country that America invaded not that long ago and the soldiers who had to go in and do the invading. And that country had never, ever even attacked us. How can we sit in judgment of Israel? I would suppose that no one who looks at this and is sickened by it would be very forgiving of what some of our own soldiers were doing while in war zones. War changes people. War is horrible. And it is war that has caused this.
Monday July 21, 2014, 11:42 pm
Thanks to all and kudos to many.
If we only call out those war crimes which the US has never committed, there would be nothing left to call out. The Bush Reich made the US an international pariah, and our record already stunk when they got in.
Tuesday July 22, 2014, 10:03 pm
You can't just keep being the pot calling the kettle black. It is WAY past time that we call for those responsible for the war crimes committed by this country to be held accountable.