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Confronting a Madman With Nuclear Weapons


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TomCat
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TomCat S (129)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 1:10 pm
Some may think I’m talking about Kim Jong Un (R-NK). I’m not. I don’t think Kim is a madman. His rhetoric is an act for domestic consumption only. He and his repressive dynasty have survived only by keeping his people so afraid of everyone else that they don’t see their own leaders as the source of their misery. He’s not going to nuke South Korea, Japan, or the US. He knows that, if he did, he would die, and they’d bury what was left of him in a thimble. Past US leaders have understood this. But Kim is now treading of very dangerous ground. He’s confronting a madman with nuclear weapons.
 

Freya H (357)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 1:15 pm
IMHO, the Orange Ogre isn't a madman so much as he is an obnoxious spoiled brat.
 

Joanne Dixon (38)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 1:53 pm
Rachel I - Good God! It WOULD have been Doug Lamborn pimping for Flynn, wouldn't it? The only member of the Colorado delegation who is IMPOSSIBLE for the rest of the delegation to work with. Dear Lord, please help us get rid of him! So - you think Kim Jong Un is just pretending to be a madman, but Kim Jong Don is the real thing? Not that it matters, probably. Both are dangerous.

Rachel II - "Two impulsive, insecure leaders" - well, that is indisputable, isn't it? Not to minimize ths - but - Republicans have lways been and probably will always be specialists in strategies which may look like good ideas (at least to people who are not grown up), but which have been proven, not just in our tome but in all of recorded history, not to work.

RESIST AND PERSIST !!!
 

Pat B (356)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 2:15 pm
Very, very concerning.
 

David C (131)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 2:16 pm
I am more worried about the mad-man running the US than I am about North Korea for now........might intentionally provoke a war so he can ""see his popularity rise"?????
 

David C (131)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 2:16 pm
good to see we were both more worried about the same mad-man
 

Ted W (127)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 2:43 pm
Noted, forwarded and shared ultra-liberally across four networks!!!! RESIST!!! Thanks for sharing, TomCat!!! Hope things cool off for you soon!!
 

JL A (281)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 2:58 pm
"Hiroshima has become a metaphor not just for nuclear war but for war and destruction and violence toward civilians. It's not just the idea we should not use nuclear arms. We should not start another war because it's madness." Max von Sydow

"It's a near miracle that nuclear war has so far been avoided." Noam Chomsky

"Nixon did have a secret plan, and I knew that it involved making threats of nuclear war to North Vietnam. "Daniel Ellsberg

"In nuclear war all men are cremated equal." Dexter Gordon
 

Peggy B (43)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 5:13 pm
'Confronting a Madman with Nuclear Weapons' is basically what I've been arguing with Trump supporters all day. Two men with narcissistic personality disorder (minimum), one a dictator the other a dick. Scares the bejesus out of me.
 

Walter F (128)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 5:19 pm
Thanks Tom sabre rattling shouldn't worry us too much as long as they're not drawn. Let's hope Kim and Kim and Don do no more than engage in their aggressive rhetoric.
 

Kathleen M (224)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 5:41 pm
Grimly noted. Timing of all this belligerent saber-rattling is truly awful. Hope someone puts a straight jacket on the Orange mad man before he destroys all life on Earth! Thx for sharing TC.
 

Lona G (80)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 7:10 pm
Australia is relatively close in distance and ties to the region around North Korea, with very strong ties to Japan, and also to China, which would both be the first nations in the region after South Korea to get involved in any military action concerning North Korea, so Aussies are following the events very closely indeed.

Yesterday evening (about 16 hours ago) the 7 o'clock national news (ABC) opened with the following words (as I recall them): Today tension around the world is mounting as two unpredictable world leaders are battling it out in words today what could turn into a nuclear war tomorrow. Then the news went on with describing how unpredictable Drumpf is (not Kim Jong Un), how lightly inflammable he is and how chillingly unclear it is how he makes his decisions and to whose advise he listens, if to any at all.

The news item painted a picture of two madmen, one of whom is reasonably consistent in his "madness" and who also very obviously has a much larger mouth than his (nuclear) weapons allowed, the other who was known to flip his decisions from one minute to the next, thrown into the world by tweets in the early hours of the morning, and who had the largest nuclear arsenal in the world at his disposal. It was all too obvious that the ABC considers Drumpf a greater threat than Kim Jung Un, even though the Australian government of course stood behind its ally and only condemned the latter for his threats. When Julie Bishop, Australia's minister of Foreign Affairs, was asked what she thought about Drumpf's bellicose rhetoric, she managed to dodge the question by reiterating her condemnation of North Korea. She also repeated the contention of US experts that North Korea can now mount a nuclear warhead on a long range missile as a fact, not something that hasn't been confirmed yet. It is unsettling to see that the Australian government rather focuses on madman Kim Jong Un to give their citizens some peace of mind rather than on the president of their most important ally and rather cause the opposite effect. "Sad", to quote the orange resident.

I think you're right that Kim's mad rhetoric is mainly for domestic consumption, but Drumpf's probably is too. The timing of Kim's threat of launching missiles really couldn't have been more convenient for the Drumpf administration. Nothing about the Russia investigation today, is there.
 

Edith B (146)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 7:48 pm
I think you are right and I believe he really, really, wants to use the nuclear weapons.
 

Glennis W (403)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 7:55 pm
Very frightening and scary, you never know what is going to come out of Thumps mouth next. Deplorable and despicable A little too close for our comfort. here in OZ. Take care and rest well Thank you for caring and sharing TomCat
 

Katie & Bill D (107)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 8:03 pm
Now there is a story when TRUMPY was campaigning about his "SO SMART UNCLE JOHN TRUMP"
35 years ago he had told about 'NUCLEAR' So he dreamed this CRAP up too! Had to Mouth Off!
MANFORT'SHPUSE HAD THE DOOR KICKED IN ON 7-26 pre-dawn hrs' by the FBI had to be serious reasonable cause!! Searching for more Info he had just testified that morning.voluntarily. He could be Facing 5 years!
RESIST PERSIST DEFEND
Thank you TomCat

 

Katie & Bill D (107)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 10:28 pm
As we look at all the people in TRUMPY"S cabinet he has appointed all sleezy guys and they are are in a position now and are being pointed out being investigated in their wrongdoings! & IN THE LIGHT NOW!
DRAINING THE SWAMP!
The keys are turning now!
 

Nita L (120)
Wednesday August 9, 2017, 10:47 pm
Scarier by the day. Thank you TC.
 

Lynn S (235)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 1:34 am
As I read about Drumpf’s rant yesterday, I was dumbfounded.  My initial thought was here are 2 people who are so much alike . . . tyrannical toddlers who have immense power and destruction at their fingertips.  They are both bullies and vengeful.  I do not trust Kim Jong-un, but I trust Drumpf even less.  Drumpf needs to learn to load brain before firing his mouth . . . but I think I’m asking too much because he has no morals to guide him and he is mentally scattered.

I have a picture of Drumpf rolling around in my mind — his mouth is duct taped shut, his face is red from trying to speak, and his hands are duct taped behind his back (literally covered in duct tape so that he cannot use any device even if he wanted to!) and he is totally frustrated.  What a picture and it couldn’t happen to a more deserving individual.

Resist, Persist and Remove!!!
 

Danuta W (1249)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 3:57 am
noted
 

Sheryl G (363)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 5:36 am
PLEASE SIGN THIS IMPORTANT PETITION CONCERNING THIS ISSUE. PETITION HERE
 

Jim P (3257)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 9:49 am
I just don't know anymore. Can Drumpf be censured? Can he be removed from office for threatening another nation with "fire and fury"? Drumpf really needs to go away, period. But, then you have Mike Pence one step away from the Presidency. Read the From Upworthy article, 20 things Mike Pence did while you weren't looking, in the Open Thread, Aug 9 2017, and see if you want this person in that office. Do you want Paul "lyin'" Ryan in office from the # 3 position on the list? No matter how you look at all of this with Drumpf & Pence, it is a lose/lose/lose situation. sigh…
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Dot A (182)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 12:46 pm
http://www.care2.com/news/member/702242966/4064350
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Some are calling this behavior senile. I think it's a much more severe diagnosis. I think we've let the monster in the White House, and now that it is becoming clearer to those who only saw what they wanted to see, - even the supporters are detecting serious character flaws, the kind of which puts millions of innocent people in a great deal of harm's way. I could see this coming and tried to warn as many as I could. This will be very difficult for the US to back away from now that those 'fighting words' have been said. Oh yes, Russia was hoping for some dumb-ass stuff, - so this is what they wanted. Petitions will be signed, but with what consequences - once the monster's already out of the gate, and long down the trail of maniacal destructive behavior. I can't tell you how distraught I was when November 22nd election night, this was America's selection. It still leaves a pit in my very soul for our nation.
I agree with Jim, too, - If Pence takes the seat, our troubles may look calmer, but beneath the calm is more destruction of the good things once set in place,...
TY, TC
 

TomCat S (129)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 1:48 pm
Thanks all. Stars. Sticky hugs! Read Lona's comment. kudos.
 

JinnySITEISSUES L (82)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 2:05 pm
Playing "fire with fire" and the end result? Nothing but ashes. Absolutely disturbing. Thanks TomCat
 

Ben O (171)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 2:27 pm
From an imbecile to a lunatic, or the other way around...? : ~ (
 

Panchali Yapa (26)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 7:16 pm
Thank you
 

Kay M (46)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 9:00 pm
Good evening and thank you for this article - which i read and noted- trump is an egomaniac jerk- and should not be any where near nuclear red button and code numbers- sincerely KAY M.
 

Colleen L (3)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 10:19 pm
Wish he'd watch his mouth. He tends to jump and respond to various issues without even giving them any real thoughts. He has no brains when it comes to these issues that can become very deadly. I pray he stops this crap. We the sake of the country. Thanks TomCat
 

Mike H (252)
Thursday August 10, 2017, 10:28 pm
Just nuke North Korea back to the stone age
 

S J (130)
Friday August 11, 2017, 1:41 am
N Korea scarcely feeds its people, a tiny sttate with a young guy on the top. I could rarely see anything worth dealing with it, perhaps only dump few people use as chance to show off. Thanks TC
 

Winn A (179)
Friday August 11, 2017, 7:18 am
Petition Signed - tRUMP belongs in a mental institution in solitary confinement..
 

TomCat S (129)
Friday August 11, 2017, 2:23 pm
Thanks to all except the Republican warmongers.
 

Mike H (252)
Friday August 11, 2017, 7:10 pm
Kim Jong-un isn't a Republican
 

TomCat S (129)
Saturday August 12, 2017, 2:39 pm
He acts just like one.
 

Jolene Pope (7)
Saturday August 12, 2017, 9:20 pm
Mostly good points everyone. I think that Kim Jong Un is mentally unbalanced but I also think he's crazy like a Fox. I think his saber rattling all along is about getting the US to negotiate with him to get some aid for his Country and to get some respect as the rightful ruler of N Korea as he feels he is. Treating him with respect and negotiating is something the US has been unwilling to do. They have avoided negotiations and let this matter go on for too long calling him mad and a terrorist nation. Warnings about provocative action as past Presidents have done is one thing. The rhetoric about using Nuclear weapons by Trump is insane. Kim Jong Un may not really want a Nuclear war he may have been bluffing to get us to negotiate but if he fears a US first strike and if he is angered then he may use them. Nuclear war s unacceptable at all costs and should be avoided. We negotiated with Iran but refuse to negotiate with North Korea. Trump needs to go I think impeachment will take too long and he has just given them good reason to use the 25th amendment to remove him from office. He is destroying the US as we know it in every possible way and a Nuclear war would mean the end. .He must be stopped.. When Kennedy and Krushev were on the brink of Nuclear war we were dealing with two reasonable men who did not want to use these weapons. The scary thing is that this is not the case now. Trump even said on the campaign trail if we have Nukes why cant we use them.. We are dealing with a Man who is vengeful and petty and does not understand the office and how to lead the nation. This is a man who does not understand the constitution and views his weapons at his disposal as toys to play with. I pray that God will protect us from these two men and protect the Country from them.
 

Margie FOURIE (148)
Wednesday August 16, 2017, 11:58 pm
Disagree with the first comment
 
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