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Hate Speech, Media Activism and the First Amendment


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: New York racism, Savage, media, hate speech, harassment, abuse, americans, cover-up, crime, dishonesty, freedoms, lies, news, propaganda )

Teresa
- 2031 days ago - fair.org
Putting a spotlight on dehumanizing language By Candice O'Grady In just over a month last winter, two Latino men were beaten to death in New York state while their attackers shouted racial slurs and epithets (Philadelphia Inquirer, 1/25/09).



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Past Member (0)
Monday May 25, 2009, 12:02 pm
Thanks Teresa for posting


Josh
 

. (0)
Monday May 25, 2009, 12:48 pm
Freedom of speech is, in my opinion, much too precious to lay it aside for the sake of eliminating unpopular or even hateful speech.

The article instances a speaker whose words seem to indicate he feels illegal aliens are responsible for a large number of crimes in this country. Although I don't agree with his words, the writer does have a right to express that opinion. Just as people like Louis Farrakhan have a right to express their low opinion of white people or those such as Pat Robertson have a right to express their EXTREMELY low opinion of non-Christians, in both cases sometimes in dreadful and demeaning terms.

If the Constitution only protects speech of which we approve, it doesn't mean very much, does it?
 

Mark G. (36)
Tuesday May 26, 2009, 2:03 pm
Lindsey, I agree COMPLETELY with what you just said. Who is going to define hate speech anyway? I guess that depends on the definition of who is in power at the time. That is too risky and gives the government too much control over what we said. The fact that speech is offensive to someone is not a factor.
Also the reason someone commits a violent crime should not be a factor. The fact that they DID commit such crime is the real issue - not what motivated them. If you kill me because of "love" (eg. I dated your girlfriend) or you kill me because of "hate" (eg. because i am Latino)- I am just as dead. When we start judging emotions rather than actions, then we are in dangerous territory.
 

Pamylle G. (462)
Tuesday May 26, 2009, 5:00 pm
Great article, great organization ! Thanks, Teresa.
 

Donn M. (56)
Tuesday May 26, 2009, 9:49 pm
Very true, Lindsey and Mark.
 

Marty H. (119)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 2:28 am
I agree with free speech too BUT remember verbal assault is one step away from physical assault. Lindsey, Mark and Donni, what if someone came up to you and called you worthless white, black, yellow, red trash just for being the color you are! What if they beat you up because of your color, sexual preference etc. What if they killed you because you are different than they are?! NO, verbal and physical assualt is NOT ok! As far as I'm concerned all bigots need counseling! You can practice your freedom of speach but if you have hate in your heart because you can not come to grips with someone elses color, sexual preference, etc., you need help!
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 4:44 am
If someone wants to call me "worthless white trash" - that's their right (I've been called worse by a certain faction on this very forum within your own 'hearing', Marty, I believe - and I don't recall your objecting). Unlike if they had physically assaulted me, I have suffered no harm.

And if I am ever offended by someone's words - who cares?. I have no "right" to walk through life offense-free.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 4:59 am
I agree Marty, wise words. If some people have problems with certain races and different people in any area, then, these people need help and of course, I hope we donīt have these kind of people at Care2!....because if we do...then, these people are in the wrong place here, they can go to the Nazi forums or the hate chats and sites, they must be extremely cool and fun for these kind of people, everybody agrees there and suports hate speech. As I say, I hope we donīt have these kind of people here anymore, because in the past I saw some.

Lindsey: of course nobody can harm you and if they do be sure that justice for whites will be done with all the strengh of justice. If you were of other color or speaking for example spanish, for sure justice will be soft with who harmed you. I agree that you are calm and relaxed...it has logic.

Mark, I know you agree,...are you a LATINO for example?
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 5:01 am
PS: We all know what HATE SPEECH IS even some people want to cover it. Itīs obvious even for a 3 year old children.
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 5:13 am
Teresa, although I am indeed white, I'm also a woman. And, like most women, I've experienced significant discrimination in my life. I very well know how words can affect us. But no matter what may have been said to me, or about me, I would not censor the speaker (I may argue with them, I may even shout at them on occasion - but I won't censor them). Because it's their right to express their opinion.

And we seem to have a curious desire to censor only speech which we believe is incorrect in the prevailing political climate. I see so often how those who rail against racist speech will then turn around and openly criticize Christians in the ugliest terms possible. Or those who would never dream of speaking ill of a person because of their sexual orientation but would cheerfully skewer Southerners. And the list goes on and on.

And, BWT - in case you haven't noticed, we white people are frequently targets of hate and prejudice. And for quite some time now, that has been a largely-acceptable thing in our society, especially when directed against white European-descended males. Very ugly things can be openly said about that particular group without any fear whatsoever of condemnation from the vast majority of listeners. They are hardly protected in that sense.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 5:14 am
sorry sorry! I ment:

Itīs obvious even for a 3 year old ((CHILD))

I hope you can forgive my mistakes cause I am from other country. Donīt judge me very hard. Thank you!

 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 5:27 am
Lindsey, I understand what you say, even I am WHITE, I am a woman and speak Spanish, so I had experienced what people of other races can feel and in the internet and for FREE. Before that...no...why? because of my looks, nobody saw me or treat me wrong...and just because I look very white.

You wrote:
*we white people are frequently targets of hate and prejudice. And for quite some time now, that has been a largely-acceptable thing in our society, especially when directed against white European-descended males*

I am ONE HUNDRED PER CENT EUROPEAN,I have European passport, European blood completely, but well...you see what happens when you speak a "minority" language and you live in Mexico for example. I have never been attacked in Mexico for being WHITE, nobody hates me here.
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 5:30 am
And where do we draw the line? There have been several people in the news (including a college professor and, I believe, a political staffer) who were fired from their jobs for using the word "niggardly". A word which is not racist (meaning "tightfisted, cheap, meanly small, scanty, or meager") and which has been around for a very long time. And they used it in its perfectly proper context with no racist overtones whatsoever. And yet, just because it sounded similar to a truly racist word, they were castigated for it - and fired.

Or what about the authors of 'The Bell Curve' who were lambasted by many for publishing research which they concluded showed a potential genetic intellectual difference between racial groups. There were quite a few who felt that the authors had no right to publish those findings - that, even if true, the words constituted hate speech since they denigrated a particular racial group.

Or Canadian ministers, who are forbidden under the hate speech laws from preaching from their own Holy Bible - forbidden, that is, when they get to the part about homosexuality being an "abomination". Because even though they are preaching the word of their own god (BTW, not my god - I'm atheist), since the words were offensive to homosexuals and could cause the listener to feel prejudice against homosexuals, they should be forbidden by law.

The concept of "offensive speech" is a fluid one and highly subject to interpretation. And we don't have to consider what the slippery slope may be - we already are on the slippery slope. And are sliding faster and faster towards a society where even the phrase "Have a nice day" will be forbidden - since it may well be offensive to those who aren't having a nice day and consider the words an effort by the speaker to force them into a more socially-acceptable norm of pleasantry.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 5:31 am
By the way:

Please watch and note this:

Different Colours (Paint The World) - Kidslinkingcultures

http://www.care2.com/news/member/531904814/1151308
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 5:39 am
Now that we are so cultural, let me send a message for those racist that float in the internet...just a cultural tip:

Hitler (The idol of the racist), who had a mistery family, that nobody knew the true about that, was the BEST Pal of Francisco Franco and Benito Mussolini and they didnīt have to speak German with him. Hitler loved his pals that support him in all his crazy psycho ideas. Hitler NEVER saw a difference in them. they were very "European".
 

Winefred M. (88)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 6:29 am
Noted and read.
 

Edward H. (45)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 9:36 am
Marty H Wednesday May 27, 2009, 2:28 am

"I agree with free speech too BUT remember verbal assault is one step away from physical assault."

Hogwash. I've seen and heard a lot of verbal assaults that never turned into physical assaults. They are usually put downs with the intent to illicit response or to lift the offending person up by lowering the the other person via verbal assault...

"Lindsey, Mark and Donni, what if someone came up to you and called you worthless white, black, yellow, red trash just for being the color you are!"

Ignore them and walk away. I've done it all my life and I've taught my children to do the same.

So tell me, am I racist? I am annoyed that we "have to have" everything in English and Spanish in the US. I shouldn't have to press "1" for English in the US. What ever happened to immigrants learning the English language? For tourists, do what everyone else does....communicate as best you can, have a book for translating words, etc., but do not expect everything to be in your native language. English speaking people shouldn't go to Russia, Spain, Italy, France, etc., and "have to have" everything in English. How many languages and dialects are there? Should EVERYTHING be in EVERYONE? I have no problem with Spanish speaking people, I have a problem having Spanish forced on me in the US.

As for illegal aliens, am I racist? Kick them out! Period! They broke into our country, ILLEGALLY...I have no problem with what Savage said:

"We need to get our troops out of Iraq and put them on the streets of America to protect us from the scourge of illegal immigrants who are running rampant across America, killing our police for sport, raping, murdering like a scythe across America.…The Statue of Liberty is crying, she’s been raped and disheveled—raped and disheveled by illegal aliens."

I'm not saying illegal aliens are the cause of all of our woes, but, one is too many. There shouldn't be illegal aliens "allowed" in this country or any country. You want to come into the US legally, WELCOME. Illegally, SEE YA!
 

Edward H. (45)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 9:38 am
I'm sure some of what I wrote above is considered "hate-speech" by some. The truth, doesn't make it hate speech. My opinion differing from yours, doesn't make it hate speech. As Lindsey O said, "If the Constitution only protects speech of which we approve, it doesn't mean very much, does it?"
 

Christy V. (36)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 9:46 am
I completely realize in some ways I am naive. There were times when every new immigrant into this country has it's own derogatory nickname. "whop" "spic" etc. For me these people use these words specifically to derive the most hatefulness out of one word or phrase. Seems to me the best way to disable those words is to simply ignore them as ignorant, Now that's hard to do when you are being beaten up, I agree. I mean instead of feeding it by acting "dissed" or "disrespected" simply ignore and do feed into it. I also realize bullies who don't get their measure of satisfaction from using words often (not always) resort to more intimidation or outright violence. That is a crime if they initiate it, often however they know this which is why they try every other tactic and often become successful by NOT throwing the first "punch." It's an awful situation made worse by the fact that most victims don't trust the police enough (or have had similar instances instigated by these very individuals) to simply dial 911. They always pick the weakest and the least likely to do just that. And it's a sad testiment to our society that no one else intervened. (however don't know whether there really was or was not witnesses). I have been unable to find the original information on this particular crime.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 10:02 am
Marty,

I really like how you think and Iīve seen that you are not controled by "nobody", you have a great personality and your own way of thinking. When you donīt agree with an issue you make always a good point and if you agree, you always make yourself clear and with intelligent words.

Most of the people like how you think. Thatīs a fact. Congratulations. You are a good human being.

 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 10:04 am
Thanks Christy, you wrote interesting points.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 10:21 am
Edward, I think you should speak the languages of the real owners of the area that you live in:Mohawk, Munsee,Unalachtigo and Unamiīs lands, yes?

Hurry up and get some classes of the real language up there. You will enjoy and really become a patriotic person.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 10:27 am
PS: AHHHH before I forget! The people that made war with these real owners of those lands entered Illegaly to America, made war and stayed there and made the official language "English".

So what Edward...Illegals out? lets clean the house then! ahhh and take Savage to Russia too please.
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 10:57 am
Just as Mexico was invaded and conquered by others (with the conquered people having conquered it from others before them....)

As well as every other piece of land on the face of the earth. We all live on stolen ground.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 1:12 pm
Exactly, thatīs why WE ALL HAVE TO BE GRATEFUL with the owners of these lands from CANADA TO TIERRA DEL FUEGO IN ARGENTINA. We are visitors and they are doing us the favor of living here with them.

Those illegals are OWNERS of American Continent....you, me and Edward here are VI-SI-TORS.

They are the owners not us. Period.
 

. (0)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 2:07 pm
No, Teresa - for the U.S. - all American citizens are the owners. We aren't visitors.
 

Edward H. (45)
Wednesday May 27, 2009, 7:54 pm
Hmm...any of your relatives here in the US illegally Teresa del Castillo? Did I hit a nerve? Should Americans come down to Mexico and do what Mexicans are doing here in America? Should we got o Spain, Russia, Argentina, Cuba, Germany, France, etc., and do it there? I'm sure all the countries would be happy to change to what "we" want them to be. Right? Yep, current illegals OUT...just like for every other country of the world...
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 10:37 am
Sorry Lindsey but accept the truth, you invaded their lands as Spain invaded Mexico and we have to be grateful because this land is theirs not ours, we are here because we came here, or our parents or ancensters. True hurts but is the tru.

Edward, no, my family arrived to Mexico as refugies,and we are grateful, I have nobody in the USA, and I donīt know if you have noticed who are you talking to, you are funny. The only thing that you hit is your head, because for your info we donīt have that need.

Yes...illegals and haters out of the lands of the real America if they donīt respect the natives. OUT!!!

And be grateful that they are doing you the favor to enjoy the nature that belongs to them.

Edward, Your family before America comes from......(?)....well, thatīs your land.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 10:53 am
PS: Why do people that hate others have to write in a note that is made with a peaceful intention?

Why do some people think that because there are some members of other nations at Care2, they have to treat them like slaves, like they treat the poor illegals? We are more free than you are!

Donīt touch, donīt step, donīt cross, donīt donīt donīt....what a freedom! no thanks
 

. (0)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 11:30 am
Teresa, name me all of the societies across this planet which were not created through the use of force. Name me all the nations across the world which are populated by their original, earliest inhabitants who were never conquered by any other people.

How many different times has, for example, Britain been invaded - and conquered by foreign peoples?

What I dislike it the insistence of some that it is only the most recent "invasions" that need to be deplored. That those of us in the Americas are somehow "guilty" because our ancestors invaded these lands only four to five centuries ago. While ignoring the fact that invasion and supplantation is the way in which nations have historically been formed in the majority of cases.

And I always find it odd how those same people conveniently overlook the fact that the original inhabitants of the Americas in so many cases did exactly the SAME thing. Warring with other Indian nations. Taking lands and resources from one another. Invading and conquering other nations.

What you decry is hardly a unique European invention. Or a unique European practice. It is a human practice. If you wish to criticize North/South Americans - then please have the fairness to include in your blanket condemnation all those other nations who were formed in essentially the same manner throughout the ages.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 11:36 am
I am glad itīs you that have some education that answered this time.

There is not need to create nations with the use of force anymore, thatīs pathetic in the civilized world these days.

iīve crossed the same situations than you when people said my blood invaded Mexico and you know what? I admit it and I agree they did and I am grateful to these people that accept me as their family, Mexico.

Lidsey please, understand that they were here before and they deserve respect. WE NEED TO CHANGE WITH THEM. We have to be better persons with them, they suffered us. they were INVADED. KILLED, HUMILIATED, USED and a long list of abuses.

I like to talk with you, by the way.
 

. (0)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 12:05 pm
I agree with you, Teresa - there is no question that the use of force is hardly a justifiable means of expanding one's territory (and, of course, the United States was formed as a nation in the 1700's, when the use of force was considered perfectly acceptable when it came to nation-building).

And I have always acknowledged the way in which the Americas were forcibly taken from their earlier inhabitants. That's a very obvious part of history. I just dislike the way in which so often the emphasis is placed on situations where Europeans have conquered non-Europeans rather than emphasizing the fact that is a universal happening.

And I also agree that abuses are still happening in some ways against American Indian peoples. Which need to stop.

Although I can't speak for any place but the U.S., here all are American citizens. And need to be treated exactly the same as citizens. Just as those of predominately Saxon or Celtic descent are treated the same as those of predominately Norman descent in Britain - so all in the U.S. should be treated equally under the law and by society.

And I enjoy our conversations as well!
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 12:30 pm
Exactly Lindsey! same rights, same respect.

At the end we all share this world, we canīt think we are the best because of the color of our skin or because we have more studies than others that didnīt have the same oportunity or luck we had.

We canīt agree with murder or hate in any of itīs forms.

When a Mexican kills a person of other nationality, I feel shame. I donīt go saying itīs fine to do that because that person was not in "his land" and if that person would stay at home that would not happen. That is terrible to say or think for example.

Check this:

Racist Lady Blames Luis Ramirez For His Own Murder

http://www.care2.com/news/member/531904814/1145806

Like in this note, Edward missing the point that people were killed (The note was about that) and he just acted like this "seņora" of the link I just gave you.

I canīt hate the USA, my couple was born there, we have been 3 years together here, in Mexico, because we like to be here.

Ask Darren, if people, the police or anybody here had treat him like trash, or make him feel less or ask for his papers to prove if he is legal or not. On the oposite, people here loves Darren. They help him inconditionaly. They donīt care if he has long hair or short.

Criminals are everywhere Lindsey and they are weak minded people that harm others because they hate themselves in the first place. Nothing to do with nationalities. Here we have more hunger so the most common crime that people do is because they want money to buy food or for living "better". Stupid thing to do of course. But hate crimes? nope, not so often.

 

Edward H. (45)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 2:51 pm
Teresa del Castillo Thursday May 28, 2009, 12:30 pm

I was commenting on the other comments and hate speech. I am sorry you couldn't figure that out.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 28, 2009, 4:53 pm
Very true my darling. Thank you!
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Friday May 29, 2009, 10:26 am
Youīre welcome Vera!

Edward: Itīs the last time you treat me like an SLAVE OR ILLEGAL ALIEN, that is the same as a matter of fact, because they are treated like SLAVES.

Stop adressing to me as if I donīt have PAPERS, I am not going to tolerate YOUR ABUSES or anybody elses.

Stop saying YOU have to....because I donīt have too, got it?

If you treat people like that donīt be surprise of the answers they can give to you.

I am not a redneck so I will have to answer you in other way that "maybe" you will understand.

I have seen your comments in the same sex marriage news and other news and I am shocked how you treat people that think and are different than you. You can disagree and even give your point of view but with more CLASS. Do YOU understand?
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Friday May 29, 2009, 10:29 am
PS: Do you undestand why HATE SPEECH has to be a crime? and not being tolerated?

Thank Edward because he gave a perfect example of it

clap clap clap. hahahahahahha
 

. (0)
Friday May 29, 2009, 10:35 am
No, Teresa. What Edward said may have offended you - but other than that he has caused you no harm.

A number of fundamentalist and radical Christians on this site have also said things about and to me, as an atheist, that are intended to be quite offensive. And they have also caused me no harm.

Your being offended (or my being offended) shouldn't be a crime.

Are we really so childish that we cannot accept that sometimes people are going to say things to or about us that offend us?
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Friday May 29, 2009, 3:42 pm
Lindsey, you are great really, I really enjoy your way of thinking.We can have a cup of coffee and talk for hours. People like you deserves to be heard.

But not Edward in this moment hahahahaha. He has lots to take out but I am not his therapist.

 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday May 29, 2009, 3:45 pm
The MEDIA WHORES are out of control!

Paper Apologizes For Publishing 'Assassinate Obama' Ad
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Friday May 29, 2009, 4:28 pm
The media makes big things little and little things big. True things look fake and fake things look like true ones...itīs a disaster.
 

Edward H. (45)
Saturday May 30, 2009, 12:31 am
Teresa del Castillo Friday May 29, 2009, 10:26 am

"Edward: Itīs the last time you treat me like an SLAVE OR ILLEGAL ALIEN, that is the same as a matter of fact, because they are treated like SLAVES."

Huh?

"Stop adressing to me as if I donīt have PAPERS, I am not going to tolerate YOUR ABUSES or anybody elses."

Huh?

"Stop saying YOU have to....because I donīt have too, got it?"

Oh, I understand. You took a blanket statement about illegal aliens and personalized it...where I said "illegals/OUT". Why didn't you personal the part where I said "legals/WELCOME"? Was it becasue you CHOSE to be offended by what I said? Or was it where I asked if I hit a nerve as your responses on May 27, 2009 were questioning my rightfully purchased property and/or legal citizenship, and telling me to get an education in the real language of the land, and telling me to become a real patriotic person, and to get out and take Savage to Russia... It made me wonder as you became very defensive.

"If you treat people like that donīt be surprise of the answers they can give to you."

Illegals out...if that is offensive, I can't help that. Same thing if someone breaks into my home...which is what illegal immigrants are doing...breaking into my country. Their responses don't surprise me.

"I am not a redneck so I will have to answer you in other way that "maybe" you will understand."

So am I a redneck; is that what you are implying? Doesn't bother me either way, but it is an example of an attempted put down on your part if you feel saying you are not a redneck is meant to be demeaning. Does that qualify as hate speech? Yes, help me understand...

"I have seen your comments in the same sex marriage news and other news and I am shocked how you treat people that think and are different than you. You can disagree and even give your point of view but with more CLASS. Do YOU understand?"

You would be EXTREMELY hard pressed and it is probably near impossible if not impossible to give an example of where I have intentionally mistreated anyone with a different opinion than mine. My stand on an issue, may be offensive to another person, but again, was my intent to be offensive or did they just take offense at what I said. For example, someone may take offense that I think murderers should be put to death and accuse me of not valuing human life, etc., but is that me being offensive or them being overly sensitive, etc.. As for "Do YOU understand?", no...please elaborate...
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Saturday May 30, 2009, 12:39 pm
Do YOU know that YOU use the word YOU to much?

Your post:


What part of WELCOME didn't you understand? WELCOME doesn't sound like hate speech to me, but apparently it does to you: "You want to come into the US legally, WELCOME. Illegally, SEE YA!"

--------

See Edward? If YOU want to come....

Next time pick YOUR words better for not having these kind of misunderstandings. Donīt include me again, ok?

Do YOU understand? or huh?


 

Edward H. (45)
Sunday May 31, 2009, 8:49 am
Teresa del Castillo

Go up to my post on Wednesday May 27, 2009, 9:36 am and see it in context. I again stand by my position that YOU Teresa del Castillo CHOSE to be "offended". YOU Teresa del Castillo CHOSE to tie the "you" to the illegal and not the legal. Illegals OUT. Legals WELCOME. As for including you or not...Teresa del Castillo...if you are an illegal...OUT...if legal...WELCOME...you...Teresa del Castillo...get no special dispensation or amnesty...just like I don't for any country I enter illegally or legally. Do you Teresa del Castillo understand?
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Sunday May 31, 2009, 10:39 am
You are a hater amigo of Speedy Gonzalez culture club. Itīs the only cultute you got, CARTOONS.

Get of my back and know that saying that a person is something that he/she is not is a CRIME punished by the law.

You got it for sure...
 

Edward H. (45)
Sunday May 31, 2009, 11:02 am
Teresa del Castillo Sunday May 31, 2009, 10:39 am

"You are a hater amigo of Speedy Gonzalez culture club. Itīs the only cultute you got, CARTOONS."

I love Speedy Gonzalez...and I watched cartoons as a child...still do once in a while, including Sponge Bob Square Pants. You?

"Get of my back and know that saying that a person is something that he/she is not is a CRIME punished by the law."

I never said you Teresa del Castillo were or weren't anything. Guilty conscience?

"You got it for sure... "

Got what? Milk? I do appreciate you keep conversing with me...at some point it will sink in on your end...
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Sunday May 31, 2009, 11:10 am
"Teresa del Castillo"...looks like you have my name in the mouth. Maybe you are traumatized or something.

No guilty concience at all. I never crossed no border illegaly, I am always well received and invited everywhere. I fit everywhere because I am not a racist and I have culture and I have the most important thing....

(((CLASS)))

I love that you keep returning here, to a note about some RACISTS that killed a man and you agree with that done. It doesnīt matter id he was black or white, illegal or illegal! That way people will know you better.

I donīt see Speedy Gonzalez created by a person that didnīt have a clue that Mexico was more than CACTUS, DESERTS AND ANDALE ARRIBA ARRIBA!

Got it, or not? because if not we understand that you havenīt travel a lot.

Travel gives you culture, try some of it.

signed

"Teresa del Castillo" and very proud of it.
 

Edward H. (45)
Monday June 1, 2009, 12:01 am
Darren A Sunday May 31, 2009, 7:21 pm

I appreciate you coming in and being amicable. I stand by my position. Illegals OUT, legals WELCOME. That's not hate. Teresa del Castillo's defensive demeanor made/makese me wonder; what was/is she so "upset" about and why be so taken back by "illegals/OUT" and not give any consideration to "legals/WELCOME". It's a valid question.

As for the famous people, who cares. Means nothing.

Finally, as for Jesus' stand on the issues...you REALLY need to read the Scriptures....then come back and discuss it. There is a lot you overlook...a lot of forbidden "issues" that Jesus doesn't allow nor tolerate.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 1, 2009, 6:01 am
That's fine, you can have your opinion... but if you start by asking Tere what's wrong, did you hit a nerve? and that are any of her relatives illegals? Well... that's where the hate jumped off. Tere is against illegals too, but she has also been very tired of people trashing her country and people, just because they have the excuse of what the biased news told them to think. Maybe if you bring peaceful solutions to the table... ie; thoughts that could prove worthy for helping the issue and not spreading more difference and segregation. Because really, if you think about it, the Mexicans and Native Americans were here first. White man came and effed up the country.

As for the famous people, it shows the character. Famous people don't hang out with losers and trash. They have classier friends. Well, the decent one's, anyway.

Ok, if I was mistaken about Jesus, then enlighten me. Post some scriptures, or at least their marks, so I can look them up and learn. I have read a lot of it, so... would be good of you to let me know what you're talking about.
 

CareTwo Support (461)
Monday June 1, 2009, 12:24 pm
This is completely off topic(as always) and I ask that you comment on the article and it's contents and not AT each other. If this continues I will remove the thread. These types of personal battles drive other members away from what is supposed to be an open discussion. Please take your personal squabbles private.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Monday June 1, 2009, 12:35 pm
Now you took out the "YOU ARE NOT WELCOME" (read yourself up)...Thatīs progress.

Jesus doesnīt allow or tolerate INSULTS, RACISM, HATE AND MURDER. Thatīs a fact. So count that in your *issues* for next time adressing to me.

Imagine if I was the one that asked to you if any of your family members or you belong to the KKK or the skinheads....you wouldnīt like it. So be careful with your words to me and my family next time.

Care2 canīt support these kind of issues here....or yes?
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Monday June 1, 2009, 12:36 pm
Thank Care2 for not allowin hate in the site.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Monday June 1, 2009, 12:37 pm
Better remove the hate if you donīt agree with it.

Thanks Eric.
 

Edward H. (45)
Monday June 1, 2009, 5:01 pm
Care2 Support Monday June 1, 2009, 12:24 pm

Conversation over...thank-you for stepping in...
 

Past Member (0)
Monday June 1, 2009, 6:28 pm
Wow, so you're not going to post the scriptures I asked for? Saved by Eric, I see.

What the heck happened to freedom of speech, HERE? It's been ok for some to stalk and harass and instigate, but the receivers cannot open their mouths afterwards? If this is what the USA is coming to, I'm glad I left.

- fin'
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Tuesday June 2, 2009, 7:10 am
Well,now we can continue on topic about the note.


Itīs very sad as the news points that hate speech is allowed and that some people support it.


I think the root of the problem is in how we were raised in our homes. We need more culture classes in school and also classes of respect to others, if you donīt pass them, then you fail the year. Respect should be as important as Math. Culture gives you tools in life also, but I mean World Culture, not only a little area culture.



 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Tuesday June 2, 2009, 10:00 am
Good thought baby.

"Manipulating" is the word...

Superiority complex at the end itīs an inferiority complex. Very easy to understand.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday June 2, 2009, 10:02 am
Yes, mi amor.. I had heard a lot of hate towards Mexico and the Mexican people, before I arrived to Mexico. Now that I am here, my eyes have been opened to the truth. It's NOTHING like what I thought it would be. It's a nice place and the people are just as nice. Having culture is extremely important in life and it is time for it to be given to the people of the world. The truth and for free. Life is not a game of slavery, even though some might not agree. Life is about living and living is not possible without culture. Life is about loving and loving is not possible with hate in the heart. Without hate, people are honest. When people are honest, things get done properly. Governments run smoothly, for example. Ridiculous laws are never passed and real freedom exists without having to criticize, manipulate, or control.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Tuesday June 2, 2009, 10:03 am
This should go here, but misteriously it went up...glitches!

Good thought baby.

"Manipulating" is the word...

Superiority complex at the end itīs an inferiority complex. Very easy to understand.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday June 13, 2009, 8:05 pm
Frank Rich: The Obama Haters' Silent Enablers

WHEN a Fox News anchor, reacting to his own network's surging e-mail traffic, warns urgently on-camera of a rise in hate-filled, "amped up" Americans who are "taking the extra step and getting the gun out," maybe we should listen. He has better sources in that underground than most.
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Monday June 15, 2009, 6:29 pm
Well, hate speech is not well seen in many places. If a place allows HATE in any form, then that place doesnīt value a dime to me.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday June 17, 2009, 6:57 am
Rights leaders: A hate crime occurs at least once every hour in US
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday June 17, 2009, 9:32 pm
'Oh my God, I can't believe they killed my family': Victim of Minuteman gang, on 911 call, pleads for help amid gunfire
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Thursday June 18, 2009, 8:06 am
The second link you gave says it all at the end:

It certainly does raise the question: Why are the media paying so little attention to this story? Are they still wedded to their favorite narrative, that the Minutemen are just some big "neighborhood watch"?


Yes, some ignorants think they are the nighborhood watch and the authorities will cover this crimes maybe with one article that says: "American tourist drank water and he got sick while he was in Mexico" or "They stole the watch of an American citizen when he was in vacation in Puerto Vallarta"
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday July 11, 2009, 8:33 am
More Racist Online Comments From Young Republican Candidate Found
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday July 11, 2009, 9:01 pm
Sheriff Joe's rabid supporters spew hate: 'Kill any man, woman or child who comes across the border illegally'
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Monday July 13, 2009, 3:56 pm
Yes, an invitation to violence!
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday July 17, 2009, 6:22 pm
* An expanded hate-crimes measure takes one step closer to becoming law.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday July 18, 2009, 10:43 am
Joe Scarborough Calls For Dismissal Of New Young Republican Chairman Audra Shay
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Saturday July 18, 2009, 6:11 pm
Hate crimes bill passes Senate, heads to president's desk -- attached to defense bill
 

Teresa del Castillo (1519)
Sunday July 19, 2009, 6:27 pm
Thanks Blue!
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday August 5, 2009, 4:34 pm
AP omits Penn. killer's racist diary rants
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Thursday August 6, 2009, 2:21 pm
Revealed: SS Nazi sign carried at town hall protest Update: Swastika pic surfaces, Rush likens Obama to Hitler
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Tuesday September 1, 2009, 12:03 pm
Beck guest: Health reform may spark ‘black genocide’
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday September 2, 2009, 8:17 am
Pastor to Obama: Please Die, Now!


Pastor Steven Anderson prays for the death of President Obama. Have the politics of hate gone too far, or is Mr. Anderson an isolated case?"
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday September 4, 2009, 2:07 pm
The Barack "School Yard" Panic: How Much A Racist Thing?

Chris Stigall, a Kansas City talk show host, said, “I’m not letting my next-door neighbor talk to my kid alone; I’m sure as hell not letting Barack Obama talk to him alone. -- Some Parents Oppose Obama Speech to Students (NYT)

I'm not saying the latest right-wing hysteria tactic -- demonizing Obama's outreach to school children -- directly parallels the McCain campaign ad below.

I do think it's interesting revisiting the post below, however, which I originally ran six days short of a year ago. Beyond all the "state indoctrination" and even Hitler Youth analogies being propagated by Obama's school chat, I'm wondering how much there is (or is also) a racist meme at play. It's something along the lines of: You can't trust your children alone with this man ... knowing how black men are. Wink, wink.
From: Sep 09, 2008: McCain Ad Ties Sex With Race

In today's trip to the swamp, the McCain campaign's latest attack video ostensibly targets the Obama's education plan.

... Except, the issue serves as nothing more than a foil to intimate that Obama -- shown in the screen shot with a smarmy grin and his coat looking frumpy -- desires to sexualize the lives of young children. More odious, however, it's also an example of the McCain campaign playing the race card, activating stereotypes of the black man -- seeming to gaze dreamily at something below (or shorter than) him -- as driven by sexual appetite.

(screen shot: McCain for President)

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