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Egypt's Women Urge MPs Not to Pass Early Marriage, Sex-After-Death Laws: Report


World  (tags: sex-after-death Islamic rule, child marriage )

Alexander
- 821 days ago - jihadwatch.org
Egypt's National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death.



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Teresa W. (661)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 8:03 am
I keep my fingers crossed for Egyptian women.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 8:15 am
I have to admit, this is the first time and place I see such practice legislated.

Abdessalam, our Egyptian friend, what do you and especially your wife thinks about that new Egyptian law? Did you elected the guys pushing it through?

 

. (0)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 8:19 am
Noted, thank you.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 8:22 am
An alternative reference to the article is here:

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html
 

pam w. (191)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 8:30 am
Sex after death? Honestly? What's that about? "Gee...I love Fatima so much I'll just get in one more "bye bye, Baby" HUMP?

On the other hand, since the pedophiles keep pressing for the right to "marry" children, it's clear that they don't value a reciprocal female sexual response....they just want sex with a BODY. Let's send them a billion blow-up dolls and make it easier on little girls, shall we?

How very PRACTICAL and DEMOCRATIC to propose that, of COURSE, it should apply to women, too! How, precisely, would a woman have sex with a male corpse? Would rigor mortis give him a real "stiffie" at last?



I'm happy to hear that Egyptian women are trying to block this horror!
 

mia K. (13)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 10:09 am
you put your finger right on top, pam: "a BODY"- it's a world which regards women as objects and material possessions.
i pray for the egyptian women to be able to prevent this "law", bur i doubt it
 

Beatrice B. (114)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 10:13 am
Necrophilia and paedophilia? How low can these moslems get?
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 10:59 am
I would say, that the attitudes and norms brought up by that law towards MEN are much worse, than the ones against women. Women will be just suffering more, alive of dead, but it is the MEN who are supposed to be wanting these rights!!!

Men must have dignity, and this law is denying it to them, converting them to worse creatures. Never heard of animals engaged in necrophilia. That law just insults and degrades all MEN.


 

Beatrice B. (114)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 12:00 pm
Sheikh Abdelbari Zamzami, has just made necrophilia halal.Zemzami justifies his ruling by means of analogy: Since a good Muslim couple will meet again in Heaven, and since death does not alter the marital contract (in his opinion) it is not a hindrance to the husband’s desire to have sexual intercourse with the corpse of his (freshly) deceased wife"
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/05/sharia-law-sheikhs-fatwa-permits-sex-with-the-dead.html
 

Cousin It Addams (8)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 12:20 pm
yeah, those Mubarak's were scum. expecting rights for women so they could get educated. gee, i even heard Suzanne was vocally against FGM, what an awful woman! they deserved to get kicked out and replaced with benevolent and enlightened leaders who want men to be pedophiles and necrophiliacs. did an egyptian cleric ok the breastfeeding your male co-workers thing, too? what a great idea.
 

Ge M. (216)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 12:38 pm
Beatrice, don't forget sex with animals ie Zoophilia or bestiality.

Below are comments about sex in Islam by ex-Muslims.

Guidelines for sex with animals can be found in the writings of Ayatollah Khomeini. Two excerpts from his writings serve

Is there a proper Muslim way to have sex with animals? Indeed, there is! to clarify the matter.

"A man can have sex with sheep, cows and camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine."

Khomeini's "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

"If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned."

Let me begin with a quote from a fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.
"A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man's four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl's sister."

You need not fear that your Muslim male baby-sitter will rape your 7-year-old daughter. If he is a good Muslim he will only sodomize her. If he does force his penis into her tiny vagina he is obligated to pay for any surgical repairs that may be required. If those repairs are deemed insufficient you may work out a financial settlement to compensate you for his trivial infraction. No big deal. Muslim boys will be Muslim boys. And, after all, she is only a girl.

Other forms of sexual abuse inflicted on children by Muslim male family members include fondling of genitals, coercing a child to fondle the abuser's genitals, masturbation with the child as either participant or observer, oral sex, anal or vaginal penetration by penis, finger or any other object. Another technique used by Muslim men is called "thighing". The child's legs are pressed together and the abuser inserts his penis between the thighs of the little boy or girl. As this was how Mohammed had sex with his wife, Aisha, from the time she was six years old the practice, of course, was approved of by Ayatollah Khomeini who in his Little Green Book asserted “It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.” Yes, indeed, you can be a good Muslim while copulating with the thighs of an infant.

This practice flourishes in Muslim countries where women are ruthlessly oppressed and normal sexual development systematically suppressed. That would include the Arab world, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. Deny men wholesome and natural sexual outlets and they will find unwholesome and unnatural alternatives.

The institution of "temporary marriage" appears to be designed to facilitate prostitution.

Islam has the effect of denying Muslim boys and girls the opportunity to develop their sexuality in a normal, wholesome fashion. The public mixing of sexes is prohibited by Islam although it may be tolerated by the secular governments of most Muslim nations. Denied the opportunity to have normal heterosexual experiences during adolescence and frequently the victims of sexual abuse by male relatives while they were growing up it is no wonder that Muslims are much more likely than infidels to find romance and sexual gratification in homosexual relationships. The following excerpt from a piece published in a gay and lesbian publication gives one a notion of Muslim sexuality in Saudi Arabia.

"Ibrahim bin Abdullah bin Ghaith, the head of the religious police (the Committee for the Prevention of Vice and the Promotion of Virtue) acknowledged, in unusually tempered language, that there are gay Saudis, while also speaking of the need "to educate the young" about this "vice". But he denied media reports that gay and lesbian relationships were the norm in the strictly segregated schools and colleges, that homosexuality "is spreading".

In an unprecedented two-page special investigation, the daily newspaper Okaz said lesbianism was "endemic" among schoolgirls. It justified the article with a saying of the Prophet's wife Ayeshathat "there should be no shyness in religion". The article told of lesbian sex in school lavatories, girls stigmatised after refusing the advances of their fellow students, and teachers complaining that none of the girls were willing to change their behaviour.

Mr Ghaith dismissed a suggestion that he should send his "enforcers" to investigate. Armed with sticks, they routinely hunt down men and women in public they suspect may not be directly related. "This perversion is found in all countries," he told Okaz. "The number [of homosexuals] here is small ..." That assessment is contradicted by teachers and students who say that, in the absence of other outlets, a "gay" subculture has inevitably flourished among youth.

"A particularly beautiful boy always gets top marks in the exams because he's some teacher's favourite," said Mohammed, an English teacher in a government high school in Riyadh. "On the other hand, I know many older boys who deliberately flunked their final exams so they can stay ... with their younger sweethearts."

Ahmed, 19, a student at a private college in Jeddah, said there was no shame in having a boyfriend in his private high school. Although he firmly rejected the label "gay", he admitted that he now has a "special friend" in college, too. "It's those who don't have a boy who are ashamed to admit it. We introduce our boy to our friends as 'al walid hagi' [the boy who belongs to me]. At the beginning of term, we always check out the new boys to see which are the most 'helu' [sweet] and think of ways to get to know them."

Gay marriage is not the contemporary invention of decadent Western civilization. The Egyptian city of Siwa has for centuries legitimized and celebrated marriages between Muslim men. No other community has done more to suppress heterosexual behavior thereby making homosexuality the norm. A gay cruising guide to Siwa provides both historical background and tips on finding gay sex partners in that city -- truly a no-brainer. Gay marriage is also practiced in Afghanistan. News reports documenting that fact and others about rampant Afghan homosexuality can be found here. Paradoxical though it may be, Islam calls for the severe punishment of homosexuality while at the same time working diligently to make that forbidden practice more attractive.
 

Cam V. (417)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 6:58 pm
Just when you think you have heard it all .... unfrikinbelievable ... and they are supposed to be a civilized nation?
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 7:02 pm
Sick. violent and twisted. Why do we tolerate the intolerable???? Stop the propaganda- this ideology is ville, evil and dangerous to women and children.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday April 26, 2012, 7:04 pm
Cam, I have BIG reservations about Egyptians being called a civilized nation. Racist laws, blatant discrimination against minorities, Islamists ruining economy while crowds cheer them up, burning Churches...

 

Tommy S. (11)
Friday April 27, 2012, 12:09 am
--There is a terrible sickness in this world marketed under the guise of a religion where morality is non existent
and a year ago we were treated to
quote....An Imam in Morocco issued a fatwa stating that necrophilia is "Halal" or religiously acceptable practice in Islam. He said that a husband has the right to have sex with his dead wife.
The Imam, whose name is Zamzami Abdelbari, said that marriage remains valid even after death, which does not cancel the marriage link. ...unquote
 

Tommy S. (11)
Friday April 27, 2012, 12:10 am
and these people think pigs are haram
 

pam w. (191)
Friday April 27, 2012, 12:23 am
LOL....Tommy, they're not going to EAT the corpses....just HUMP them! That's different!
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Friday April 27, 2012, 12:26 am
This is pathetic!!! Talk about sick minds!!!!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday April 27, 2012, 2:16 am
The sickness and bestiality that is so permissive in Islamic culture - causes us to think that it is indeed a culture spawned by Satan himself.
 

Vlasta M. (7)
Friday April 27, 2012, 6:45 am
It will take much, much more than keeping your fingers crossed to help Egyptian women against the evil medieval Islamists who want to put them back into burkhas and home-prisons! With the rise of radical islam, which fights any advances of Western civilization, and which are incompatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, more and more countries are falling backwards in human rights and becoming true islamic oasis of misogyny, pedophilia, polygamy, apartheid and murder for Allahu Akbar. Saudis beheaded a "witch" last December and they hang gays and stone women for adultery, in addition to murdering people for "blasphemy" and lashing women for not wearing hijab. Yet Europeans and Americans still welcome those medieval evil guys to their midst, selling human rights for Arab oil!

We have a President who BOWS to Saudi king, whose subjects had committed crimes against humanity in their 9/11 attacked for Allahu Akbar. Islam is the ROOT CAUSE of terrorism and oppression around the world and MUST REFORM to make it compatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, or has not place in ANY civilized country that respects freedom and human rights or ALL individuals, not just powerful sheikhs who behead others.

We should start a petition to UN to demode ALL countries that had not signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and send their diplomats packing back to their countries where individuals are subjected to murder for Allah or because of being gay or women... US should stop issuing visas to such people who come and enjoy the freedom of our democracy while denying human rights to their people in their corrupt and dysfunctional countries.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday April 27, 2012, 8:40 am
Why didn't people inventing a legend about Mohammed did not come up with something cleaner and healthier...
 

pam w. (191)
Friday April 27, 2012, 8:47 am
Simple answer, Bob.....BECAUSE SOMETHING ABOUT IT APPEALS TO THEM! These are men who secretly fear and loathe us.

In a related story....

http://www.care2.com/causes/do-arab-men-hate-women-mona-eltahawy-faces-firestorm.html#comment-3581795
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday April 27, 2012, 10:50 am
Yes, Pam. Still, I have a very hard time thinking of a man who at the moment of tragedy - losing his wife - will still think about sex.

Though I can't figure this out, it may work for those raised on focusing on two things: Jihad and Sex. Osama bin Laden got lots of porn on his computer - in addition to a number of wives.

I am honestly both puzzled and annoyed to see the same content on many Islamists's web sites I visit: Jihad and Israel, or only Israel. Sex is never discussed, and now I am getting why.


 

Kimberly McMahen (25)
Friday April 27, 2012, 11:27 am
What kind of sick is this? Pedophilia and necrophilia? They can rape children and have sexual relations with the dead as long as they are female. How many more ways can they dream up to degrade women? Necrophilia is okay, homosexuality is punishable by death. This culture is SICK!
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday April 27, 2012, 12:03 pm
Kimberly, to be fair we have to say that they can " have sexual relations with the dead " - even with males. Not sure how, but some imams will explain the techniques.

I am not that interested to ask, though, and probably won't be able to listen to the answer till the end.



 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Friday April 27, 2012, 11:59 pm
In reading the hadith, Bukhari maybe, can't remember the verse, we read a story of Mohammed 'sleeping' with a dead woman. He claimed he was making it easier for her to enter Allah's big brothel in the sky (where she could become an eternal virgin to be used by Muslim men for nonstop eternal sex - just as she was used in this life). So this is only following in his footsteps, as Muslims are told to do. Anything he did, as the 'greatest man to ever live' is OK, though Allah, his imaginary friend, did give him exceptions to all 'moral' laws that everyone else must abide by. How convenient.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 12:23 am
Gillian, there is apparently a lot of homosexual activity in Muslim countries, especially in those where women are shrouded and kept under guard and locked up like Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, but that sexual activity is not the homosexual orientation that someone is born with - a natural expression. This is the same kind of sexuality of convenience that is found in prisons and boys schools where an older boy/man will take a younger one (especially a hairless one, which makes them more 'feminine') as their sex partner.

As long as the boys are young and hairless Islam turns a blind eye to this kind of relationship, it is when two truly homosexually oriented men/women share a relationship of love & support, not just a sexual release, that it becomes haram and punishable by death.

Islamists often spout how morally superior they are to us 'decadent' westerners, but Mohammed was even called a 'womanizer' in the hadith and Islamic writings all unashamedly tell of his debauchery. Allah gave him special exemption from all the 'moral' laws everyone else was to follow (like having only 4 wives where he had as many as 13, the number varies).

Mohammed and his 'religion' are sex obsessed. It is an old tribal custom to keep women under control. Anthropologists think this is so a man may know any children are actually his so he doesn't have to work to feed someone else's children. Makes sense.
 

Phyllis Baxter (40)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 2:10 am
Apropo of keeping women under control to ensure paternity- doesn't the advent of DNA testing negate that practice?

Time to reform oppression of women from all religions- science has provided the way.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 6:32 am
Thanks.
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 6:39 am
This is the 21st century. Such practices might have taken place throughout history, but we now know that they are wrong and harm the people involved. All people, whether male or female, young or old is a person in their own right, and should be treated with respect and dignity by others, particularly those who have a duty to love and care for them. The young and elderly in particular need to be protected from those who would do them harm or wrong.

Those who want these laws passed are despicable, concerned only about themselves and their sexual gratification, and supporting these laws says more about them than it does about their potential future victims.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 6:42 am
Yes...it's the 21st century HERE....obviously, that's NOT true THERE!
 

Stella AWAY W. (258)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 6:45 am
Interesting (albeit revolting) read, but I must stay informed - kudos to Egypt's women!!!
 

Judith Emerson (0)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 7:22 am
Muslim Patriarchy is beyond belief. :0 :/ :-(
 

Phyllis Smith (13)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 7:37 am
WOW! Hard to understand how anyone would have to question the right thing to do!
 

Siti R. (12)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 7:45 am
this has got Nothing to do with Islam! ! this is backward state before the face of Islam on Arab soil. this is patriarchalism and feudalism at its best to suppress women. if you never read about Arabs and their old ways, please hold your tongue. my Egyptian friend has a better idea of what is going on.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (452)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 10:25 am
This is a culture that DEMANDS acceptance?
 

Michael Kirkby (83)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 11:08 am
This is the religion that purports to fulfill the law and the prophets and supercede all other religions? No thanks. Humans are sheep who always want the comfortable way out. The best thing for humans is for all the religious and political ideologies to disappear.
 

Vicky P. (462)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 12:05 pm
ew, wtf
 

John B. (215)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 1:50 pm
Sick legislation. Sick clerics.
 

Lis T. (0)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 2:30 pm
sick.....
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 2:35 pm
All women and girls around the world should descend upon Egypt and Islamic clergy in the Middle East to protest such disrespect for feminine rights to follow our own wisdom, to be completely self-determinant. I am wondering more and more if some bad karmic effects from prior lifetimes of killing animals or murdering people, or other... are being played out when humans are born into such oppressive conditions.
 

Hartson Doak (32)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 5:10 pm
Sex with a child and a corpse. Sounds sick to me.
 

John S. (297)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 5:52 pm
Noted.
 

Nimue P. (226)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 7:27 pm
This is beyond despicable.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 8:49 pm
Why Egypt's Men DO NOT Urge MPs Not to Pass Early Marriage, Sex-After-Death Laws? Where are they?
 

Gloria H. (88)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 8:52 pm
It sure gives them an excuse for no foreplay if the woman is dead.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 9:02 pm
I wonder if such men would not any "foreplay" other than a belly dance...

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 9:04 pm
Sorry for the typo, my previous comment should read "I wonder if such men would know any "foreplay" other than a belly dance..".

Lost my glasses again...
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 10:10 pm
Siti..."his has got Nothing to do with Islam! ! this is backward state before the face of Islam on Arab soil. this is patriarchalism and feudalism at its best to suppress women. if you never read about Arabs and their old ways, please hold your tongue. my Egyptian friend has a better idea of what is going on."

++++++++++++++ Stop kidding yourself! This would NEVER have happened had the Islamic power structure not approved it.
 

Marianna Molnar Woods (9)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 10:35 pm
YOU VE GOT TO MENTALLY SICK TO COME UP W SOME LIKE THIS...LET ALONE APPROVE IT...AND LIKE IT
 

Bianca D. (85)
Saturday April 28, 2012, 11:21 pm
No law should go against human rights. Anywhere.
 

Angela Gottschalk (0)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 12:48 am
OMG and how, tell me how I can manage to have sex with my dead husband? an injection of Viagra maybe? What a sick hard-to-believe set of laws and Islam appears to be trying to take over the rest of the world... sometimes I'm glad I'm 77years old and unlikely to see it happen...God save my kids and their kids tho ...!!!!
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (277)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 3:32 am
SICK
 

Ken O. (56)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 5:40 am
Siti, you seem like an ignorant idiot. The "face" that Islam shows the world: Allowing dozens of school girls to burn to death in a building because they couldn't get to their head coverings so they weren't allowed out, brilliant. Female circumcision. Women can't drive automobiles in Saudi Arabia where it is also against the law to have a Bible or a Christian church of any sort. Women can't go outside without a man, whoa there's some respect for women for you. Women can't wear blue jeans without getting beat up, or makeup. Women who are raped get to go to jail and their rapists get to go free. Let's see, what are we missing here about the "Face" of Islam? Not much, I think we have a pretty good idea of what Islam shows us, maybe it's you who doesn't have much of a clue and should literally bite your tongue.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 9:19 am
Siti: "my Egyptian friend has a better idea of what is going on."? He/she surely does, and knows about this and other despicable laws and practices of Egypt. And you know, he or she will likely JUSTIFY them, just like our other Egyptian Care2 poster did, defending Islamist persecution of Christians in Egypt, or Egyptian racist laws against Jews or Honour Killings.

Whatever Suzanne Mubarak did to bring human rights to Egyptian ladies is being now taken away by the Islamists. You can keep quiet about it and be happy with lame excuses, but many people do have some pity of Egyptians.
 

Lynne Buckley (0)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 12:37 pm
I really hope that these don't pass. They're ignorant and crass.
 

Carmen S. (606)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 1:11 pm
thanks Bob, hopefully the Egyptian women will not have their rights taken awa
 

Linda S. (1)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 3:28 pm
Creeeeeeepy!
 

Marie Russell-Barker (13)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 4:20 pm
I thought that I had heard all the sick sex things that there was but this blows my mind
 

Fred Krohn (34)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 5:26 pm
How nice, Alice Cooper has already written the Muslim Brotherhood's new Egyptian national anthem: 'I Love The Dead'. Bunch of sicko necrophiliacs and pædophiles don't belong in the same world with real people. Execute the Muslim Brotherhood!
 

Craig Zimmerman (86)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 5:32 pm
I know that we are all supposed to be tolerant of peace loving Muslims, but honestly the people that support this law are ready for the funny farm.
 

Edith B. (142)
Sunday April 29, 2012, 9:15 pm
This is disgusting. I fear for the women in Egypt. Makes the current Republican "war on women" look pretty tame.
 

Glenn Byrnes (194)
Monday April 30, 2012, 1:03 am
Noted. Doesn't Islam consider sex with the dead a sin?
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday April 30, 2012, 1:42 am
Wow.Many of those anti Muslims and Islam are here.What a chance to attack Islam and Muslim !!!!! .Alot of ignorance and naifity can be observed here,believing in the believable.This is all fake.I am not going to respond because I am a Muslim and I,certainly,will be accused of hiding facts and defending Islam.What about a non Muslim response for this fake story.

"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there's like, you know, some proof."

Dan Murphy in Christian Science Monitor on April 26,2010. And here is the story.

Egypt 'necrophilia law'? Hooey, utter hooey.
'Necrophilia law'? Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there's like, you know, some proof.
By Dan Murphy, Staff writer / April 26, 2012
Today, Egypt's state-owned Al Ahram newspaper published an opinion piece by Amr Abdul Samea, a past stalwart supporter of the deposed Hosni Mubarak, that contained a bombshell: Egypt's parliament is considering passing a law that would allow husbands to have sex with their wives after death.
It was soon mentioned in an English language version of Al-Arabiya and immediately started zipping around social-networking sites. By this afternoon it had set news sites and the rest of the Internet on fire. It has every thing: The yuck factor, "those creepy Muslims" factor, the lulz factor for those with a sick sense of humor. The non-fact-checked Daily Mail picked it up and reported it as fact. Then Andrew Sullivan, who has a highly influential blog but is frequently lax about fact-checking, gave it a boost with an uncritical take. The Huffington Post went there, too.
There's of course one problem: The chances of any such piece of legislation being considered by the Egyptian parliament for a vote is zero. And the chance of it ever passing is less than that. In fact, color me highly skeptical that anyone is even trying to advance a piece of legislation like this through Egypt's parliament. I'm willing to be proven wrong. It's possible that there's one or two lawmakers completely out of step with the rest of parliament. Maybe.
But extreme, not to mention inflammatory claims, need at minimum some evidence (and I've read my share of utter nonsense in Al Ahram over the years). The evidence right now? Zero.
There was a Moroccan cleric a few years back who apparently did issue a religious ruling saying that husbands remained married to their wives in the first six hours after death and, so, well, you know. But that guy is far, far out on the nutty fringe. How fringe? He also ruled that pregnant women can drink alcohol. Remember, alcohol is considered haram, forbidden, by the vast majority of the world's Muslim scholars. Putting an unborn child at risk to get drunk? No, that's just not what they do. Whatever the mainstream's unpalatable beliefs (there are plenty from my perspective) this isn't one of them.
It's important to remember that the structure of the Muslim clergy is, by and large, like that of a number of Protestant Christian sects. Anyone can put out a shingle and declare themselves a preacher. The ones to pay attention to are the ones with large followings, or attachment to major institutions of Islamic learning. The preacher in Morocco is like the preacher in Florida who spent so much time and energy publicizing the burning of Qurans.
Stories like this are a reminder of the downside of the Internet. It makes fact-checking and monitoring easier. But the proliferation of aggregation sites, newsy blog sites, and the general erosion of editorial standards (and on-the-ground reporters to do the heavy lifting) also spreads silliness faster than it ever could before.

I HERE REPEAT HIS WORDS " "Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there's like, you know, some proof."

Salam
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday April 30, 2012, 1:47 am
Correction . There is a typing mistake in the second line of my comment.The correct words should read ".A Lot of ignorance and naivety can be observed here,believing in the Unbelievable"
 

Ken O. (56)
Monday April 30, 2012, 3:50 am
Egyptian women have rights?
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday April 30, 2012, 3:50 am
Abdessalam, you are missing something very big here.

Egyptians are ALLOWING Amr Abdul Samea and his followers, promoting this legislation, to remain among Islamic scholars and preachers. You try to degrade them by claiming that he was a supporter of Mubarak. But it was Mubarak's wife Suzanne who brought some rights to Egyptian women, the rights that Islamists of Muslim Brotherhood want to take away now.

And considering other racist laws of Egypt which we discussed before, or the changes that are brought by Muslim Brotherhood against minorities - Coptic Christians to start with - this idiocy stops being unbelievable. And the absence of MEN supporting this women protest just proves the point further.

By switching the blame from real perpetrators to your political enemies, from Islamists to Mubarak or to "anti-Muslims" you are moving away from finding a solution to this ridiculous issue.

 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday April 30, 2012, 3:54 am
"Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there's like, you know, some proof."
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday April 30, 2012, 5:46 am
Only gullible people would believe such ridiculous stories of untruth! This is NOT of
Islam. Anyone can say anything! It doesn't make his\her statement true or from religion itself!

Bob, the solution to this ridiculous issue is to ignore 'fools' making such
statements as its out of their Own Personal Ignorance that they issue
such vile and utterly disgusting statements (ie. If there IS any proof of the evidence)

 

Mary P. (157)
Monday April 30, 2012, 6:07 am
Abdessalem, "Wow.Many of those anti Muslims and Islam are here.What a chance to attack Islam and Muslim !!!!!"

They remind me of 'Vultures' on the attack!!
 

pam w. (191)
Monday April 30, 2012, 6:50 am
Rule #1....Deny, deny, deny.

Rule #2...If you can't honestly address an issue with truth, INSULT THE QUESTIONER! Use everything you can think of to throw smokescreens against those who even MENTION an honest criticism of Islam.

 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday April 30, 2012, 7:04 am
Pam W.
If Dan Murhy is commenting on this post he will tell you : "Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there's like, you know, some proof."



 

pam w. (191)
Monday April 30, 2012, 8:08 am
http://rt.com/news/egypt-sex-dead-wife-054/

http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/Europe/Egypt-s-Farewell-Intercourse-law-allowing-sex-with-dead-wives-sparks-fury/Article1-846951.aspx

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/egypt-considers-legalizing-dead-wife-sex.html

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/egypt-plans-to-allow-sex-with-dead-wife/252420-2.html


And there are dozens more.
 

Ken O. (56)
Monday April 30, 2012, 8:40 am
Abdessalam, would that be like the things I've mentioned above? Saudi Arabia allows women to drive by themselves? Muslim countries allow women to go outside without being accompanied by their husbands or a male relative? Muslim countries do not practice female circumcision, whether or not it's a tenet of Islam? The Taliban (a group of Muslims with a large following) didn't blow up several thousand year old Bhuddist Statues? Muslims didn't let school girls die in a fire because they weren't allowed out without their "Hajibs"? Women don't get beaten with sticks for wearing makeup, blue jeans or other equally insane perceived affronts to Islam? Tell us please. Also tell us that you wouldn't lie to our faces as is expected of a Muslim to do to us "Infidels", tell us how it isn't true that Muslims are expected to lie to us. Tell us more about how peaceful Muslims are, about how respectful towards women they are. This ought to be good for a laugh. Now consider this: I do not believe for a minute that 9/11 was the result of anything but a false flag operation perpetuated to allow the neo-cons to gain control politically and to establish a soft Police state on America. That thinking, however, doesn't cloud logic or reason on the subject of the modern day horrors of a 12th century mentality that Muslims have towards women. Not that the Catholic Church wouldn't do the same if given half a chance.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday April 30, 2012, 10:58 am
YOU are still unable to listen to an advice from a non-Muslim "Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, KIDS. At least until there's like, you know, some proof."
God help you.
 

Kenneth Davies (0)
Monday April 30, 2012, 11:09 am
noted
 

Ken O. (56)
Monday April 30, 2012, 12:33 pm
Adessalam, you apparently are still unable to accept the truth that we have found proof all you have to do is open your eyes. You don't seem to be able to refute anything I've said except to say "don't believe everything you read on the internet". You have shown no proof that anything we've said here is false and you can't because it is true. The news accounts from reliable sources are there on every incident I quoted. However you have no argument so you lie, including about being a non-muslim.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday April 30, 2012, 12:49 pm
Mary, what authority do YOU carry to tell that this is NOT Islam?

World Islamic or Arab advocacy bodies did not refuted this guy teaching as Un-Islamic even in English. The practice of sleeping with the dead was practiced even by the legendary Mohammed himself, as the legend tells about him "saving" his dead aunt by this extraordinary way.

May be these practices are not accepted in some Islamic sects, but are in others. All sects constitute the Umma...
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday April 30, 2012, 12:55 pm
This is a google translation from Arabic to English of an official press release by the National Council for Women

Ambassador Mervat Tallawy President of the National Council for Women denied reports published in media recently about sending a letter from the National Council for women to Dr. / Saad Katatni speaker of the Parliament regarding what is called “ After death farewell sex “ Simply because such bill doesn't exist and have never been submitted to the Parliament..


Ambassador Mervat Tallawy said that she had sent a number of letters to the parliament speaker on the committee preparing the constitution and membership of women, and also a letter on the articles of the constitutional that must be included in the new constitution, A copy of these letters was sent to the editors of newspapers and magazines, to a large number of writers and intellectuals to urge them to adopt the constitutional principles relating to women and sent by the National Council of Women to Parliament and to all media, and there is no relationship between this letter and what was raised on the subject of " After death farewell sex "

The Ambassador expressed the hope in the continuation of the permanent cooperation between the National Council for Women and the People's Assembly and Shura Council in their capacity as representatives of the Egyptian people, and that the National Council for Women is the Council of all Egyptians not biased to any group or party.

She also confirmed to a number of foreign ambassadors who have inquired about the topic of “After death farewell sex " , as well as CNN, that this issue is baseless and that the Egyptian parliament has no relation to the subject. This topic is related to the fatwa issued by one of the citizens in Morocco

She explained that Islam stresses the sanctity of the dead. And there are customs and traditions of respect for the dead. Therefore, the publication of such ideas and accusing the Egyptian parliament aims to increase the division between civilization and especially to harm the Muslims and the Islamic religion, which we reject and demand media to keep pace with this extremism and recurrent abuse of opinion, and that the topic has nothing to do with Egypt.

Again to all who believed the story and found it a golden opportunity to show their hatred "Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, KIDS. At least until there's like, you know, some proof." CASE CLOSED.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday April 30, 2012, 12:55 pm
Abdessalam, do you imply that the "advice from a non-Muslim" is much more credible than an advice from a Muslim? That sounds like a anti-Muslim statement to me. Advises are good or bad, relevant or irrelevant...
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday April 30, 2012, 1:07 pm
Amr Abdul Samea did publish in Al Ahram newspaper his religious ruling about sex with the dead and suggested that to become a law.

If, as you are saying, the Egyptian National Council for women did not send the protest letter, it means NOBODY is protesting?


 

Judy Apelis (0)
Monday April 30, 2012, 1:27 pm
Just when you think you have heard it all, it just gets better. HOLY SHIT, how horrible
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday April 30, 2012, 10:47 pm
The press release says that all this is BASELESS and the Parliament didn't receive any bill about such topic.If you can't read and understand,then you can continue barking till the last day of your life
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday May 1, 2012, 7:36 am
Abdessalam, I understand that you want to push the issue under the rug. The case is NOT closed, and your advocacy for this disgrace is wrong.

The case was open, when Islamic cleric was allowed to publish such disgusting views in a state newspaper. Nobody could do such publishing without getting lots of approvals from Islamists, currently running the show.

The Parliament accepted two pieces of such disgusting legislation, that anyone would be ashamed even to think about their content. Of course it matters how many people will reject this bill, but the mere fact of its acceptance tells more about Egypt, than all your sugar covering.

You have to stand up with Egyptian women to protest these rotten moral laws based on fanaticism and superstition, and not be proud that the Women Council decided not even to protest, or retracted their protest.

Even animals and insects do not sleep with their dead, Abdessalam. Into which direction are Islamists pushing Egypt?
 

Kate R. (10)
Thursday May 3, 2012, 9:07 pm
Not that I support marriage of anyone under 18, I must note that while everyone in this post is decrying the practice of marriage of the age of 14 (which they should) they fail to note that this practice exists in their own country.

Some of the states, in fact quite a few, do allow for marriage with parental consent and/or judicial approval under the age of 18. In one state, the age is as low as 13.

New Hampshire - with judicial order and parental consent 13
New York - parental consent and judge order
South Carolina - female minimum age with notarized parental consent
Alabama - 14 parental consent and court order


Many states at 15

Hawaii - 15 parental consent and approval of a judge
Indiana - must petition the court
Kansas - 15 with district court judge's order
Michigan - 15 with parental permission and order of probate court
Mississippi - 15 with parental consent
Missouri - 15 with parental consent
Montana - 15 with judge consent

Many states, although require either parental consent or the permission judge, they do not list a minimum age, but just say "under 16" either or parental consent or judicial approval are required.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday May 3, 2012, 9:38 pm
Kate, the key point of this article is the law allowing sex-after-death according to the Islamic tradition.
 

Kate R. (10)
Thursday May 3, 2012, 9:48 pm
Yes, Bob, but my comment was addressing the other issue which was the proposed law on the minimum age of marriage. Are you now telling me what I am allowed to comment on and what I am not?
 

Kate R. (10)
Thursday May 3, 2012, 9:51 pm
I didn't think I had to respond on your sex after death "according to Islamic tradition" as Abdessalam has so thoroughly debunked this nonsense. Thank you Abdessalam.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday May 4, 2012, 6:18 am
Abdessalam debunked only the fact that Women Council protested it. I am not sure how truthful this "debunking" is - Abdessalam himself advises people not to believe everything they see on the Internet.

Abdessalam did not "debunk" the fact that this horrible nonsense was written by an Islamist scholar and published in a major government-run newspaper. I am not aware of that newspaper publishing Abdessalam's views.

Abdessalam did not "debunk" the fact that legislation approving this disgust was submitted to Egyptian Parliament.

Because he could not.

According to Islamic tradition, the legendary Mohammed lied down with his dead aunt. See if Abdessalam "debunks" this.
 

Kate R. (10)
Friday May 4, 2012, 2:07 pm
"Sorry for the typo, my previous comment should read "I wonder if such men would know any "foreplay" other than a belly dance..".

Truly offensive Bob. I wonder what your partners would say about your idea of foreplay. I doubt that there would be rave reviews. Abdessalam, from what I see, is a much educated, much more civil, much more informed than anything you have shown through your posts. You seem to be someone who has had a hard life, decided to turn yourself around, found God and was granted instant forgiveness and now have no tolerance of anything that puts big, huge wholes in your narrow Conservative, Bible thumping ideology. I could be wrong, but I bet some of it is right on the money.

I think that you should perhaps re-read what Abdessalem wrote and maybe retain some of what he posted. First of all, what I was referring to which was pretty clear, was Abdessalam's debunking of the necrophilia claim. Where is the Christian Science Monitor considered a "major government newspaper"? I also checked and saw that you had no problem cheering on what the Christian Science Monitor published when it wrote things that represented your ideology posted by people who are on your friend list.

Every government has crazies Bob, the US having more than their fair share. You want to latch onto some insane "proposed" legislation which has no chance to pass. Look at the T-Baggers, Rick Santorum was ready to outlaw contraception. You see Presidential candidates ready to propose all kinds of insane legislation. How about Texas? They re-write history and call it good, teach only abstinence and wonder why in the heck the teenage pregnancy rate is one of the highest in the nation. This is from the nation which has the highest rate of incarceration, is descending into lower and lower educational levels and now has a bunch of crazy "politicians" make up the Constitution as they go along. Maybe you can share some of your disdain for them too.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday May 4, 2012, 4:43 pm
Kate,

Under major government newspaper I meant a discussion on the necrophilia in Egyptian newspapers, not only in CSM. Check this one, it's hard to accuse it in Islamophobia or other western sins: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html

Andessalam is well educated - that's true - and he knows how to run his spin. He will convincingly justify anything wrong done in the name if Islam - be it racist laws against Egyptians marrying Israelis, be it something related to Coptic Christians whose churches are burnt while the world doesn't care, or this necrophilia law which he tries to minimize and to silence.

While a moderate Egyptian wrote: "This is very serious. Could the panel that will draft the Egyptian constitution possibly discuss such issues? Did Abdul Samea see by his own eyes the text of the message sent by Talawi to Katatni? This is unbelievable. It is a catastrophe to give the husband such a right! Has the Islamic trend reached that far? Is there really a draft law in this regard? Are there people thinking in this manner?”

- Abdessalam response is a plain damage control - deny the issue and accuse others. It's not the first time I see responses of this type. You may buy it if you want. I won't.

We can talk about contraception, abstinence - which I don't have anything against, AIDS or child pregnancies, but there are limits for legislation. Egyptians, even with Islamic tradition that legendary Mohammed slept with his dead aunt - take this issue seriously, and I am on their side.

Try to promote an issue into Egyptian legislation calling from something democratic - and better be ready to get away fast while in one piece! This law tells a lot about current Egyptian legislature to those who want to listen.



 

Kate R. (10)
Friday May 4, 2012, 5:21 pm
Bob, there is no pending legislation, Read something other than trash. You expect people to actually prove that there is no legislation pending. Since there is no legislation pending there will, of course, be no proof of it. Now this is an example of your logic, remember this is an example, not really an accusation.

It is like me saying "Bob is a pedophile" and demand that you somehow try to prove this. Of course, I will say that you are lying because of course as a pedophile, you would have to. We could go on and on and one for years this way, as your proof of NOT being something, is almost impossible to prove. There is nothing to provide proof that accompanies the accusation of this alleged pending legislation.

About that Supposed Egyptian Necrophilia Law
Sheila Musaji

A story spread across the internet yesterday that Egypt’s Parliament was going to consider a law that would allow Egyptian men to have sex with their dead wives for up to six hours after they died. The story began with an article in Al Ahram by Amru Abdul Samea, and was picked up by other media sites, and then by the blogsphere. Many of us had reservations about the truth of this story, especially since Al Ahram is the government newspaper, and the only source for all of the subsequent stories was this Abdul Samea.
The Islamophobes jumped on this gleefully.

— Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs posted an article Islamic Egypt Plans “Farewell Fornication Law” so Husbands can have sex with dead wives.

— Bare Naked Islam posted an article including disgusting photographs.

— Robert Spencer posted an article from Al Ahram with the intro “Here is yet more delightful evidence that Sharia is benign and completely compatible with U.S. Constitutional values, as we are constantly told.”

— Debbie Schlussel posted an article also with disgusting pictures and these comments from Schlussel “Yay–yet another “democratic” reform in Islamic Egypt, yet another reason to back up Barack Obama’s forcing out of Hosni Mubarak: the Muslim fanatics now running the country are enacting a new “farewell intercourse law,” which allows husbands to have sex with their dead wives up to six hours after their deaths. Very convenient: get rid of the wife in an honor killing, then have make-up sex right after, without any resistance. ... Aren’t ya glad Egypt is “liberated”?! On the other hand, this ain’t about Egypt or artificially created borders in the Arab world. It’s just Islam. Again, THIS. IS. ISLAM. “Religion of Peace.” And Religion of Sex with the Female Already-Rested In Peace.”

— Ann Barnhardt on the American Thinker posted an articlethat contained this disgusting passage: “Necrophilia is not a joke. It is real, and it is being openly ratified and encouraged by the satanic political cult of Islam. A culture of people who are so far gone that they literally see nothing wrong with copulating with dead bodies is a culture that is capable of any evil imaginable, and cannot be stopped with any appeal to decency, morality, or shame. What we are seeing in the Muslim world is the final descent of a human society into hell itself, and they will attempt to take as many others with them as they possibly can. If these people are capable of “sexual pleasure” with not just corpses, but the corpse of the one person in the world who they should have loved and respected above all others, do you honestly believe that they would hesitate for a moment in merely pushing a button that launched nuclear warheads at Tel Aviv, or London, or New York? Now, behold the fruits of the “Arab Spring”, engineered and fertilized by the Obama regime. In Egypt today, a bill has been introduced by the new Islamist parliament legalizing “farewell intercourse”, affording a man a six hour window after his wife’s death for necrophilic sex. The Moroccan fatwa was not merely a “one-off.” Necrophilia is culturally intrinsic to those societies poisoned by the satanic political cult of Islam. A clash between civilization and anti-civilization is coming, and coming fast. The enemy is not laughing. I would strongly recommend that we stop laughing at the enemy, and make ready for battle.”
— Walid Shoebat posted an article If you reject Necrophilia, you might be Islamophobic

The Islamophobes are not concerned with facts, their purpose is to demean Muslims, and running with this story is an example of how successful they are with their base. Here are a few comments from Pamela Geller’s readers:

— Necrophilia is Islamic, Muhammad practiced it so it perfectly moral behavior (for a Muslim, anyway). Oh, and…ewww.
— UNbelievable . . . but so easy to believe from these horrors, these sub-humans. ONE MORE REASON to support Israel
— Necrophilia being a part of the death cult called pisslam doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.
— Wow. That’s about as low as they can get. Depraved, abbherant behavior fitting of only the lowest form of life, or the most vile criminals is sanctioned as a part of their “religion.” How can anyone with even a half a brain cell firing think that behavior is okay?? Wonder how long it will be before we hear it’s perfectly permissible for Muslims to eat their babies after honor killing them.
— Muscums are really sick and very mentally sick animals .
— I used to think that moslems were sub-human. Now I know that they are mindless zombies straight from the bowels of hell.

It was hard to believe that there could be any truth to this story, however, not only Al Ahram, but then Al Arabiya had reported that Egypt’s National Council for Women (NCW) has appealed to the Islamist-dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within six hours of her death according to a report in an Egyptian newspaper. And, this supposed appeal from what seemed to be a real organization added some legitimacy to the possible validity of the story.

Imam Dr. Aslam Abdullah, the director of the Islamic Society of Nevada, the editor of the Muslim Observer and the director of the Muslim Electorates Council of America wrote a strong condemnation of this story, if true. He wrote

The Egyptian parliament is reportedly set to introduce a law allowing husbands to have sex with their dead wives up to six hours after death. Who is introducing this bill and with what purpose? It is not clear. One hopes that it is a hoax and those who stand for Islam would never indulge in such a bizarre legislative process. It is alleged that those who proposed this bill come from groups that believe in Islam as their guiding principle. Unless we hear definite words from these Islamic parties, we cannot that such legislation is pending.

However, references have been made to a ruling by a Moroccan cleric Zamzami Abdul Bari who last year gave permission to husbands to have sex with their dead wives. His argument: since the two would meet in Heaven again anyway, death shouldn’t get in the way of one last post-mortem marital romp. It is this ruling that is the focus of this article.
Islam is very clear on the issue of matrimonial ties. With the death of a spouse the contract of marriage comes to an end. There is no difference in this regard among the scholars of all schools of thought.

Thus the ruling of this so called Muslim cleric demonstrates the abuse of authority in the name of God. It shows a total disregard for common sense or even the basics of the Divine teachings. Furthermore, it shows how obsessed are some of the so called religious scholars with male sexuality. It is a shame that these people occupy any positions of authority in the Muslim community and that their views are accepted by anyone as a genuine interpretation of the Divine teachings. What is even worse is that Muslim scholars in general have chosen to be quiet on this issue. The opposition to Zamzami has come from secularists, and Muslim scholars, by and large, have preferred to ignore the issue.

What Zamzami decreed is a mockery of the divine teachings. The sura (chapter) two of the Quran in aya (verse) 79 described such people as those who frame the laws of the Shari’ah themselves and attribute them to God. The Quran describes them as worse than animals. The Quran further explains
“Worst of the creatures in the sight of Allah are those human beings who do not utilise the capabilities of hearing and speaking and refuse to understand (8:22).

The Quran goes even further consigning these people to a great torment while explaining “You will see many amongst both the Jinn and mankind who are destined for Jahannam for they have been given the faculties of thinking, seeing and hearing but they do not utilize them (to grasp the truth). They are just like brutes - and indeed worse than them. They remain un-heedful of the laws of Allah. (7:179)

Who in his or her right mind will think of having sex with a dead corpse? Only a sick and perverted mind can think of such a thing when most people are concerned to ensure a swift and quick burial, as dictated by Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of God be upon him. Imagine, the mourners are lining up at the house offering their condolences while the husband is busy in seeking his sexual gratification from the dead body of his wife in the name of fulfilling his obligation. It is blasphemy. It is animalistic and those who even think of these things deserve to be castrated rather than being given any legal protection. It is a shame that those advocating such a practice and giving it a legal shield claim to be Muslims representing Islam: the divine message that talks of human dignity, for dead or alive.

These perverted scholars are obsessed with male sexuality. To most of them women serve the purpose of providing their male partners utmost sexual gratification. It does not matter to them what a woman thinks or feels. What is important for them is to ensure that the male sexuality is taken care of. They have misused God and His messengers in justifying their lustful perverted thoughts. They talk of divine curse on women who refuse to submit to the sexual desires of their husbands and they argue for a meek and submissive wife who must live in the shadow of her husbands ever ready to serve him. They even justify marrying girls at a younger age because it serves the male sexual chauvinistic fantasies. The worst is that they concoct all their perversions in the name of God and His messenger specially Prophet Muhammad. They have even concocted stories attributing the practice of marrying younger girls to the Prophet and his companions against the Quranic commands, their common sense and decency. To them what is more important is what have been given by the previous scholars. The divine teachings or the actual character of the messenger hardly matter to them. They describe all those who refuse to accept their perversion as deviants, un-Godly, and worthy of denunciations. Some even go a step further by describing women who want to assert their independence as whores and a piece of worthless flesh. How abhorrent is their action and how despicable is their behavior. They do not deserve to be leading Muslims in prayers or teaching the believers their faith. They deserve to be sent in mental asylums. They need help in rediscovering their humanity.

Even if such a bill is introduced in the parliament we hope that those standing for Islam would be the ones fighting these perversions and manipulations. We have no reason to believe that they themselves are the ones who are supportive of these obsessions. Is this the priority of Islam to allow husbands to have sex with their dead wives? Is this the priority of Muslims to allow parents to marry their daughters at an early age when they are not ready to make big decisions in their lives? We hope they are intelligent and would not turn a serious faith to ridicule by burlesquing and immaturity to imitate their perversions grotesquely and absurdly?

We do not need these scholars who impose their ideas on divine ideas. We do not need these religious teachers. And that is why the Quran has empowered each and every individual to seek clarification and guidance directly from the divine scriptures. In the eyes of the Quran, they are the culprits and they must be questioned and challenged.

They should have known that even though legends with necrophilia themes are common throughout history and the concept of sexual interference with the dead has been known since the ancient Egyptians, and it has been an abhorred practice as noted by Herodotus (428 BC)

“When the wife of a distinguished man dies, or any woman who happens to be beautiful or well known, her body is not given to the embalmers immediately, but only after the lapse of three or four days. This is a precautionary measure to prevent the embalmers from violating her corpse, a thing which is actually said to have happened in the case of a woman who had just died.” (de Selincourt, translation, 1972, p.161)

... I wish the scholar who issued such a fatwa should have listened to the Quran and the world history before introducing his ideas. I wish he should have acted in defense of the dignity of the dead as well as alive as his main priority. I wish he might have acted more responsibly in these matters if not for others then for the sake of his daughters and sisters who would one day face death.

One of the roles assigned to the Prophet as explained in the Quran was “to lift the burdens under which the humanity groans and free them from the shackles which bind them [7:157]. What a shame that the scholar speaking in the name of Islam want to defy the Prophet in such a serious matter..

Dan Murphy at the Christian Science Monitor was the first to say that the story of the Egyptian Parliament considering such a law is “Hooey, utter hooey”, without any substantiating evidence. He also points out about Zamzami, the Moroccan preacher who issued his strange statement last year

“It’s important to remember that the structure of the Muslim clergy is, by and large, like that of a number of Protestant Christian sects. Anyone can put out a shingle and declare themselves a preacher. The ones to pay attention to are the ones with large followings, or attachment to major institutions of Islamic learning. The preacher in Morocco is like the preacher in Florida who spent so much time and energy publicizing the burning of Qurans.”

Whoever this fringe Moroccan preacher Abdelbari Zamzami is, he can only be part of what I call the Muslim lunatic fringe.
Tunisia Live News reports that

Egyptian political activist Ahmed Zahran of the party Tayar Masry, or “Stream,” says that at least one of them does not exist.

“There is no law and no draft,” he said over the phone, speaking about the rumor that MPs were considering making necrophilia legal.

The news about these two draft laws were circulated by Al Arabiya and the Daily Mail yesterday, after the Egyptian newspaper Al Ahram was said to have reported the issue. The news sites said that Egypt’s National Council for Women was launching an appeal against the laws, but a quick look on their website reveals no news of said discussion.

Zahran said that Egyptian Parliamentary sessions can be seen live on the internet, and that no such law has been proposed. He also explained that Egyptian journalist Sarah Carr has investigated the matter, and has said that what is being called the “farewell intercourse law” originated with a talk given by an Egyptian media personality, and has no bases in the discussions of actual MPs, at least in the public sphere.

Dan Amira in New York Magazine reports that the story is probably not real. He notes that

“the story is entirely predicated on an opinion column written by a loyalist of Hosni Mubarak who presumably has a motive to embarrass the Islamists who have taken control of Parliament in the wake of Mubarak’s downfall.”

Craig Silverman of Poynter.org points out that the story was widely repeated but not fact checked and is probably not true.
The translation leaves a little to be desired, but an Egyptian blogger has more on this story here and says it is a false rumor.
Michael Collins Dunn posted an excellent analysis of how this rumor spread that includes this

Andrew Sullivan, whose widely-read blog at The Daily Beast is usually above this sort of thing, but who distrusts fundamentalism whether Christian or Muslim, quoted The Daily Mail (since he’s British, I doubt if he had it confused with The Economist as far as reliability goes), and had some harsh words for Islam. Admittedly and to his credit, he has since noted and quoted the evidence that the story’s untrue, but it’s further evidence of how far this story went and how respectable media bought it for a while.


So how did this story go so far? The following reconstruction is based on others’ work, mostly 1) Egyptian journalist Sarah Carr, who posted a response to the Daily Mail article (which is now buried in a comments thread that runs to more than 800, but which she posted to Facebook for the record) and has since pursued the issue, blogger Zeinobia, who was also on the case early, and Murphy’s previously cited CSM article. Carr, I think, nails the unspoken presumptions that helped spread the story:

While I appreciate that the Daily Mail sifts the Internet daily for news pieces that will confirm to its readers that Muslims are all book-burning, wife-incarcerating, turban-wearing lunatics, and while I appreciate that this item is particularly attractive because of its salaciousness, if Lee Moran had troubled himself to do a little bit of research beyond translating an op-ed and a TV talking head, he would have discovered that in fact, a draft law to allow men to bonk their deceased wives does not exist. This may seem remarkable, given that Egyptians (i.e. scary mooslems) revolted in 2011 for PRECISELY this right, but there we are.

If Mr Moran’s googling had been more thorough he would have discovered that this rumour was started by a local wacko who, alas, has a public platform by virtue of the fact that he owns a satellite channel.

This is what seems to be the timeline:

1. The only named person who is known to have actually claimed that Islam supports this bizarre idea is a Moroccan sheikh, Zamzami Abdelbari, a fringe figure, and even he apparently said it was a repulsive practice. I’ve spoken before somewhere on this blog about my reluctance to indulge in the latest “crazy sheikh/crazy fatwa” report, in which the media focuses on a so-called “fatwa” from some self-proclaimed “sheikh” with a following that may include his immediate family, and treat this as some sort of “official” ruling. This guy has nothing to do with Egypt.

2. Next, the plot moves to Egyptian satellite TV owner/talk show host/conspiracy theorist Tawfiq Okasha. Okasha has been a critic of the revolutionaries, a conspiracist who sees the US and Israel behind everything, a rabble-rouser last mentioned on this blog as being blamed for promoting attacks on the US Embassy. Zeinobia compares him to the US’ Glenn Beck. This broadcast (Arabic) seems to be the first appearance of this idea of “Farewell intercourse” (مضاجعة الوداع) in Egypt:


3. Next, the story moves to the state-owned Al-Ahram where a secularist, anti-Islamist columnist named Amr Abdel Samea edtorialized that the Egyptian National Organization for Women were protesting this and a proposed law reducing the marriage age (which actually is advocated by some Islamists.) The link is in Arabic. It doesn’t clearly cite a specific bill or any advocates of such a bill. It refers to “talk about” such a bill, but not specifying by whom. It’s more a case of a rhetorical “if the Islamists have their way they’re liable to do something this crazy.”

4. Abdel Samea’s op-ed then provokes in turn a sensational TV commentary from Gaber al-Qarnouty on the channel ON TV. He quotes Abdel Samea but talks as if there is actually a draft law under discussion. It has gone from nightmare scenario to stated fact:

5. It’s this Qarnouty broadcast that was picked up by the English website of Al-Arabiya, in the post that was then picked up throughout the West:

Egyptian prominent journalist and TV anchor Jaber al-Qarmouty on Tuesday referred to Abdul Samea’s article in his daily show on Egyptian ON TV and criticized the whole notion of “permitting a husband to have sex with his wife after her death under a so-called ‘Farewell Intercourse’ draft law.”


“This is very serious. Could the panel that will draft the Egyptian constitution possibly discuss such issues? Did Abdul Samea see by his own eyes the text of the message sent by Talawi to Katatni? This is unbelievable. It is a catastrophe to give the husband such a right! Has the Islamic trend reached that far? Is there really a draft law in this regard? Are there people thinking in this manner?”

Of course, the answer to Qarnouty’s rhetorical questions are “No, no, and no.” But the next step is the jump to the Daily Mail report that “Egyptian husbands will soon be legally allowed to have sex with their dead wives.” The fact that there’s no basis for the report that anyone has yet found, is of course lost in translation.

Sarah Carr again:“Conclusion: It’s a load of bollocks.” That’s the British equivalent of Murphy’s “utter hooey.” It’s a crock.

Once again, at the end of the day there no “there” there, there’s no story. Most of the respectable media that reported the story yesterday have put up hedging clarifications, but this is a story that didn’t need to spread so widely to begin with. There may be a Moroccan sheikh who’s this far over the edge, but there’s no necrophilia bill in the Egyptian Parliament.

So what we have is a story initiated by Mubarak supporter in the Egyptian government run newspaper which went viral because a number of media outlets ran the story without fact checking, and the Islamophobia propaganda mill expanded on it and passed it on to their various internet sites.

As a sidenote, even the possible consideration of lowering of the marriage age to 14 in Egypt is an unsubstantiated claim. I would strongly disagree with such a consideration as does Imam Aslam Abdullah above. However, before getting too self-righteous about such a possibility, check out the U.S. marriage laws by state here where you will find that for example: In New Hampshire A female between the age of 13 and 17 years and a male between the age of 14 and 17 years can be married only with the permission of their parent (guardian) and a waiver (See Waiver). And, in New York If either applicant is 14 or 15 years of age, such applicant(s) must present the written consent of both parents and a justice of the Supreme Court or a judge of the Family Court having jurisdiction over the town or city in which the application is made.

I will be waiting for apologies and updates from all involved. I am certain that for the Islamophobes it will be a long wait.

What is sad is that such stories take on a life of their own, and even after they have been debunked, they continue to be repeated, often for years. They are added to the propaganda that I call what everyone “knows” about Islam and Muslims.

Robert Spencer has posted a “response” to Dan Murphy’s Christian Science Monitor article titled Christian Science Monitor writer says Egypt’s proposed “necrophilia law” is “utter hooey” because…he wants it to be. As usual Spencer gets his facts mixed up. He says

So many people have sent this story to me this morning that it seemed worth posting, but not as the cautionary tale it was meant to be. Rather, it is an object lesson in irresponsible journalism. Several days ago I posted this story from al-Arabiya, which has now circulated around the world and aroused considerable disgust. Even the most indefatigable Islamic supremacist apologists, such as the serial liar Sheila Musaji at The American Muslim, are embarrassed by it, and immediately tried to start explaining it away. Now Dan Murphy of the august Christian Science Monitor has come to their aid, reassuring us all that the story is “utter hooey.”

Actually, Murphy was the first to publish an article questioning the accuracy of this story. Many others have then added information and done fact checking. I didn’t write this article until AFTER Murphy and others published their articles, and even mention Murphy’s article in mine. So, it is hard to see how Murphy could have subsequently come to my aid.

It is Geller and Spencer who are serial liars. These people consistently promote what I call the what everyone “knows” lies about Islam and Muslims. They generalize specific incidents to reflect on all Muslims or all of Islam. When they are caught in the act of making up or distorting claims they engage in devious methods to attempt to conceal the evidence.

There is a reason that the ADL (A Jewish anti-defamation group) has said that Pamela Geller & Robert Spencer’s Stop the Islamization of America (SIOA) is a “group that promote an extreme anti-Muslim agenda”. There is a reason that The Southern Poverty Law Center has designated SIOA as a hate group, and that they are featured in the SPLC reports Jihad Against Islam and The Anti-Muslim Inner Circle. There is a reason that Geller and Spencer are featured prominently in the Center for American Progress “Fear Inc.” report on the Islamophobia network in America. There is a reason that they are featured in the People for the American Way Right Wing Playbook on Anti-Muslim Extremism. There is a reason that Geller is featured in the NYCLU report Religious Freedom Under Attack: The Rise of Anti-Mosque Activities in New York State. There is a reason that they are featured in the Political Research Associates report Manufacturing the Muslim menace: Private firms, public servants, and the threat to rights and security. There is a reason that the SIOA’s trademark patent was denied by the U.S. government due to its anti-Muslim nature. There is a reason that they are featured in our TAM Who’s Who of the Anti-Muslim/Anti-Arab/Islamophobia Industry. There is a reason that they are featured in just about every legitimate report on Islamophobia and anti-Muslim hatred.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 1:10 am
Bob A.
Although I am tired and has been advised to rest ,yet I'll disobay doctors advice and I am going to comment on your lies and ignorance.
1 - I have always believed that you are sick.You are,like some others on this post,are anti Islam and hate mongers.You ,apparently don't read what is written and even when you read you seem not to understand.We have a proverb saying " repetition can make an ass understand " So I am going to repeat may be you understand.

1 - " Abdessalam debunked only the fact that Women Council protested it. I am not sure how truthful this "debunking" is - Abdessalam himself advises people not to believe everything they see on the Internet."

I am sure that you are not even sure of what you say.It seems that you are being paid to spit your hatred against Muslims and Arabs.I didn't advise people not to believe everything they see on the Internet.This was Dan Murphy who wrote that to you kids and said there must be a prove to believe what is on the net.I agree with the man. What I posted is a google translation from Arabic to English of an OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE . If you don't believe it,as apparently you don't even believe yourself,you can do some search and you will find it but your sickness and your hatred paralyses even your mind if you have one.

2 - " Abdessalam did not "debunk" the fact that legislation approving this disgust was submitted to Egyptian Parliament "
Again this proves that you don't read and don't understand what you read.Your hatred didn't only damaged your brain but also made you blind. The official press release I posts says "Ambassador Mervat Tallawy President of the National Council
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for Women denied reports published in media recently about sending a letter from
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the National Council for women to Dr. / Saad Katatni speaker of the Parliament
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regarding what is called “ After death farewell sex “ Simply because such bill
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doesn't exist and have never been submitted to the Parliament..
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GO SEE A SPHYCATRIAC BOB.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 1:15 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Kate because you have done so within the last week.
Thank you Kate.You deserve more than a green star.You are one in a million
 

Kate R. (10)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 5:02 am
Abdessalam:

Your assessment is right on the money. It seems that Bob doesn't quite retain what he reads. To him, anything that that challenges his claims which are derived from officially declared hate sites is then labelled "Islamic propaganda". I also see that Bob doesn't seem to provide evidence for his claims other than what he takes from these said hate websites. He is truly a disgrace.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 7:09 am
Rule #3....when all else fails, throw insults. It's truly reflective of the "religion of peace."
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 8:01 am

Monday April 30, 2012, 10:47 pm
The press release says that all this is BASELESS and the Parliament didn't receive any bill about such topic.If you can't read and understand,then you can continue barking till the last day of your life
 

Kate R. (10)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 12:36 pm
What insult?. Bob's response indicates that he didn't retain what he read. Do you deny that Bob predominantly posts from well known hate sites? I looked at Bob's News and what he posted and that is where they come from, nowhere else. The majority is from Jihadwatch, you call that a truthful blog?
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 1:24 pm
"Kate" "It seems that Bob doesn't quite retain what he reads. To him, anything that that challenges his claims which are derived from officially declared hate sites is then labelled "Islamic propaganda". I also see that Bob doesn't seem to provide evidence for his claims other than what he takes from these said hate websites. He is truly a disgrace."

"Kate" (or should I call you Margaret?) again..."Truly offensive Bob. I wonder what your partners would say about your idea of foreplay. I doubt that there would be rave reviews. Abdessalam, from what I see, is a much educated, much more civil, much more informed than anything you have shown through your posts. You seem to be someone who has had a hard life, decided to turn yourself around, found God and was granted instant forgiveness and now have no tolerance of anything that puts big, huge wholes in your narrow Conservative, Bible thumping ideology. I could be wrong, but I bet some of it is right on the money."

Abdessalam..."I have always believed that you are sick.You are,like some others on this post,are anti Islam and hate mongers."
"If you can't read and understand,then you can continue barking till the last day of your life "

"I am sure that you are not even sure of what you say.It seems that you are being paid to spit your hatred against Muslims and Arabs.I didn't advise people not to believe everything they see on the Internet.This was Dan Murphy who wrote that to you kids and said there must be a prove to believe what is on the net.I agree with the man. What I posted is a google translation from Arabic to English of an OFFICIAL PRESS RELEASE . If you don't believe it,as apparently you don't even believe yourself,you can do some search and you will find it but your sickness and your hatred paralyses even your mind if you have one. "


+++++++++++++++ When all else fails....INSULT the person, the site, the source, etc. We all know who you are...and how you operate. Insulting a site doesn't mean the data is untrue.. Jihadwatch is a site which publishes data from other sources. Obviously, you wouldn't like it.

Frankly, my idea of "hate speech" is what I read in the Quran. And I see plenty of "hate" in your responses.
 

Kate R. (10)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 4:30 pm
The only hatred I have seen is the hatred you demonstrate at each and every turn to demonize people who practice Islam. It doesn't matter if the article is true or not, it doesn't matter what anyone does to show that it is, in fact, erroneous, you will defend it to the end. This is hatred, this is racism, this is bigotry and this is intolerance. Rather than actually try to see if these claims are actually true, you instead prefer to rely on websites which are full of propaganda and untruth. It seems that you, along with the Baggers live to vilify in your quest for your "holy war".
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 6:51 pm
Pam - if you want to make comments to me, maybe you should make them to me. What a nut bar. Excellent comments Abdessalam.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday May 5, 2012, 8:15 pm
"What a nut bar."

When all else fails....insult, insult, insult.
 

Kate R. (10)
Sunday May 6, 2012, 8:12 am
That isn't an insult to you, it is actually an insult to nut bars.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 6, 2012, 8:18 am
Good one Kate. Too bad you beat me to it, because now you will feel the wrath of Pam.

Pam, what are you complaining about. I have seen nothing but insults out of you for the past two years. On top of it, you don't just insult a specific person, you actually like to insult whole groups of people based on their religious beliefs basing your knowledge on the topic based on your "vacations" to ME countries. With you it doesn't matter what is posted to debunk your insane claims. Since your ideology is essentially based on racism, nothing will damper than enthusiasm. The crazier it is, the better way for you to demonize Muslims.
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday May 6, 2012, 7:32 pm
OOOOOOOOh...."two" of you insulting me? It's just SO EASY to use terms like "racist," isn't it?

Of course "racist" is completely inaccurate, but that doesn't matter. What DOES matter is the chance to insult me or anyone who disagrees

Nor am I "insane" or a "nut bar" or anything else you can hurl at me.

Quite simply, I'm someone who believes that the threat of fundamental Islam is viable and that Western culture is at risk of disappearing.

And....what's wrong with a well-considered opinion? I've certainly never called YOU 'insane" or "nut bar" or "racist".....actually, the only direct comment I can remember from me to you, Margaret, is that you're too intelligent to associate with people like John D....a one-note pony, so to speak. But, you seem to enjoy him, so...

In the meantime, thanks for illustrating my point about DEFENSE OF ISLAM.

Rule #1.....Deny, deny, deny

Rule #2....When denials fail, insult the source, insult the questioner, insult the speaker, insult, insult, insult. If the source happens to BE a Muslim, declare that they're MISUNDERSTANDING Islam. In the case of a young woman who writes of her personal life and why she fled Islam, call her a "vile traitor." Insult, insult, insult.

Rule #3...See Rules 1 & 2

Rule #4....Blame Jews/Israel. Blame Zionists.
 

Kate R. (10)
Sunday May 6, 2012, 9:21 pm
Look at your post and see if that really looks like the words of a sane, balanced woman.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday May 8, 2012, 7:55 am
Kate, JihadWatch.org is not a hate site - It only shows links to other newspapers, publishing relevant articles.

Reaserch of Islamic cleric allowing sex with the dead, published in an Egyptian newspaper, must be taken seriously, even if all Abdessalams of Egypt will tell you it's nothing. That very newspaper would not publish a photo of Miss World in her bikini, because it is not "decent" to them. Obviously, sex with the dead is OK, if even the legendary Mohammed lied down with his dead aunt in a grave.

Kate, I am not against Islam. I understand that Islamists may try to scare me with libels like "Islamophbia", "racism" and whatever else they may invent. Accusing me in "Islamophbia" they somehow imply that there is a connection between universal teachings of Islam and applicability of "Farewell sex" or whatever else this act is called. I hope and believe that it is not, and that Egyptian society at the moment is messed up big time to publish such ideas in government newspapers.

Accusations in "Racism" are even more stupid, because Islam is a religion and not a race.

And especially when such accusations are coming from those who support real racist laws directed at others,like Egyptian law singling out Arabs marrying Israelis and moving to Israel. Or Palestinian Arab law, condemning to death anyone who sells his property to Jews.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday May 8, 2012, 8:01 am
Abdessalam, it is interesting to see you speaking of peace and hate.

Your countrymen burn Coptic churches and attack Christian homes, meeting little resistance from police. Your aspiring presidential candidates are going to cancel peace agreement with Israel, for which you got Sinai back. Egyptian preachers call on an attack on Jerusalem and introduction of Caliphate. The oil deal with Israel is canceled because Jihadists blow it up, and new government does not want to honor its commitment. All of that - without much critique from you.

And yet here you are, trying to talk from a position of moral authority. Please save it to those who can't read and don't have access to Internet and to Media, other than approved by their medresses.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Tuesday May 8, 2012, 8:05 am
Margaret, again you are using a cliche "to demonize Muslims." to lump ALL Muslims together, while many of them are outraged by this disgust no less than non-Muslims.

Published theories about "sex after death" may "demonize" only those who supports such theories and serves as their apologists, not those brave Muslims who are risking their lives to stand up against real nut bars.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Tuesday May 8, 2012, 9:50 am
Bob A.
If you can't read and understand,then you can continue barking till the last second of your life
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Tuesday May 8, 2012, 9:54 am
Welcome back Margaret.Pleased to see you again as smart as you always are.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Tuesday May 8, 2012, 10:24 am
Bob A. commented addressing me " Your aspiring presidential candidates are going to cancel peace agreement with Israel, for which you got Sinai back. Egyptian preachers call on an attack on Jerusalem and introduction of Caliphate. The oil deal with Israel is canceled because Jihadists blow it up, and new government does not want to honor its commitment. All of that - without much critique from you."

1 - This has nothing to do with the topic of this false story.
2 - Egypt is an independent country and has the right to do whatever it wants for the best interest of its people.This of course includes Keeping the peace treaty with Israel or amending it or even cancelling it if the Egyptians find that it is against their interest.However all Presidential candidates declared that all Egypt's international commitments are honored including the peace treaty if respected by the other sides.
3 - There isn't any oil deal with Israel.If you are referring to the natural gas,The cancellation is due to business reasons as the exporter/importer company failed to pay the price of the gas . The government of Israel.itself said that this is a business dispute.You have to know that the agreement you refer to was a part of the corruption operations of the fallen regime and the price of the exported gas to the Zionist entity was too low.About two years ago an Egyptian court issued a verdict against exporting natural gas to Israel.
4 - The Zionist entity didn't officially say what you are saying here .It seems that Israel is now following the English proverb that says " Don't bark yourself if you have a dog "
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Wednesday May 9, 2012, 1:25 pm
Abdessalam,

The story is not false - the real Egyptian newspaper run by the Egyptian government published this research by a real Islamic scholar that it's OK to have sex with dead wife. These are the facts.

Your post that you claim was a translation of some document from Arabic cannot be trusted - it's not an official source, and you are on the PR team, with all those dogs your bring up all the time.

No, this story has nothing to do with Zionist Entity, with Bob, with Islamophobia and with a rain in Toronto. It has to do with a messed up Islamsits of Egypt, running the government. And this has to be clear to you too.
 

Kate R. (10)
Wednesday May 9, 2012, 8:18 pm
Bob - This is another idiotic story which again was swallowed whole. The whole thing comes from a Moroccan Imam who was kind of crazy which started this whole thing. You want to paint the Muslim faith by the actions or words of fundamental extremists. That is like saying that the "show your penis" proposed legislation in Arizona as proof that you are an American (which actually made it to the vote, was passed by the house and actually vetoed by Brewer - must have been a sober day) is demonstrative of the whole GOP.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Thursday May 10, 2012, 4:19 am
This is my last input on this subject.I am not ready to waist my time answering or commenting on trash comming from a sick person who comments saying "your post that you claim was a translation of some document from Arabic cannot be trusted - it's not an official source" I know that the more he attacks Islam and Muslims the more he is paid. So I'll not give him more chance to fill his pockets.This is the press release in Arabic and the link to it. The liars and the stupid have to shut up .

حول ما تردد بشأن مضاجعة الوداع

تم إنشاءه بتاريخ الإثنين, 30 أبريل 2012 14:12. | |



نفت السفيرة / مرفت تلاوى رئيس المجلس القومى للمرأة ما تردد فى بعض وسائل الإعلام مؤخرا حول إرسال المجلس القومى للمراة خطابا للدكتور / سعد الكتاتنى رئيس مجلس الشعب بشأن مشروع قانون " مضاجعة الوداع " ، حيث لم يرسل المجلس القومى للمرأة خطابا بهذا الشأن ، وحيث أن مشروع القانون هذا لم يقدم أو يناقش من الأساس فى مجلس الشعب

وقد قامت السفيرة / مرفت تلاوى بإرسال عدد من الخطابات إلى رئيس مجلس الشعب بشأن لجنة إعداد الدستور وعضوية المرأة بها ، وكذلك خطاب بشأن نصوص المواد الدستورية التي يجب تضمينها فى الدستور الجديد ، وقد أرسل هذا الخطاب الأخير إلى السادة رؤساء تحرير الصحف والمجلات وإلى عدد كبير من الكتاب والمفكرين لحثهم على تبنى المبادئ الدستورية المتعلقة بالمرأة والتى أرسلها المجلس القومى للمرأة إلى مجلس الشعب وإلى جميع الإعلاميين، وانه لا علاقة بين هذا الخطاب وبين ما أثير حول موضوع "مضاجعة الوداع "

وأعربت السفيرة عن أملها فى إستمرار التعاون الدائم بين المجلس القومى للمرأة وبين مجلسى الشعب والشورى بصفتهما ممثلي الشعب المصرى، وأن المجلس القومى للمرأة هو مجلس لكل المصريين ولا ينحاز لأى فئه أو حزب أوتيار

كما أوضحت رئيسة المجلس لعدد من السفراء الأجانب الذين استفسروا عن موضوع " مضاجعة الوداع " وكذلك الى محطة "سى إن إن " ان هذا الموضوع لا أساس له وان البرلمان المصري برئ من هذا الموضوع ، حيث أن هذا الموضوع يرجع الى فتوى صادرة من احد المواطنين فى المغرب

وأوضحت ان الدين الاسلامى يشدد على حرمة الموتى . وان هناك عادات وتقاليد مصرية تحترم الموتى . لذلك فإن نشر مثل هذه الافكار واتهام البرلمان المصري بهذا الأمر يعمل على زيادة الفرقة بين الحضارات وخاصة الاسائة الى المسلمين والى الدين الاسلامى ، الأمر الذي نرفضه ونطالب الإعلام بان لا يساير هذا التطرف والشطط فى الرأي ، وان الموضوع لا علاقة له بمصر او ببرلمانها ويجب وقف هذا الهراء وعدم التعليق على هذا الأمر

http://www.ncwegypt.com/index.php/ar/mediaallara/news-arabic/106-goodbyeara
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Thursday May 10, 2012, 4:24 am
And here is the official translation :



Participation in the Conference on the” Future Vision for Al Azhar Al Sharif”

Created on Wednesday, 02 May 2012 10:18. | |



In response to an invitation from the Grand Iman of Al Azhar, Sheikh Ahmed Al Tayeb, Ambassador Mervat Tallawy participated in the Future Vision of Al Azhar Al Sharif Conference. In her address, she emphasized the pivotal role of Al Azhar in protecting the moderate and enlightened Islamic precept. Al Azhar is considered to be a national pillar and repository in times of pressure. Al Azhar, she added, is an important national wealth that should be preserved and supported, since it is the principal reference to the Islamic religion. Ambassador Tallawy further expressed her appreciation to Al Azhar and to the Grand Imam for issuing the five documents, and in particular the political document, that won the approval of all segments of society: moslems, Christians, parties and the various political forces, as well as Arab and European countries. She thanked Al Azhar for its position regarding the Founding Committee for Drafting the Constitution. She stressed that Al Azhar is considered the most powerful “soft power” in Egypt, because of the respect it enjoys in the Islamic world. For this reason, no one should be permitted to attack it, or any of its representatives. She concluded by requesting Al Azhar and the Grand Imam to safeguard the human rights of women and children, in accordance with the Islamic Sharia’, by clarifying them to respond to the strong setback that these rights recently face.








Around what was rumored about the farewell intercourse

Created on Monday, 30 April 2012 10:34. | |



Ambassador Tallawy denied what was stated in the media recently about sending a letter from NCW to Dr. Saad El Katatni, Chairman of the People’s Assembly, about the proposed law of the farewell intercourse, as NCW never sent a letter to that effect, and the said law was neither presented nor discussed in the first place.

Ambassador Tallawy sent several letters to the Chairman of the People’s Assembly, one regarding the representation of women in the Drafting Committee of the Constitution, and about the text of the constitutional articles to be included in the new constitution. This latter was sent to the editors-in-chief of the major newspapers and magazines, to writers and thinkers, urging them to adopt the constitutional principles relating to women

Ambassador Tallawy reiterated her hope for the continuous cooperation between NCW and the People’s and Shura Assemblies.

NCW President also clarified the issue of the farewell intercourse to members of the diplomatic corps and to CNN, confirming that there was no element of truth regarding that subject, which in fact related to some “fatwa” originating from a Moroccan citizen.

She emphasized that Islam respects the sanctity of the dead which all Egyptian traditions also respect. She added that spreading such notions and blaming the Egyptian parliament for it creates splits among cultures and is detrimental to Islam and Moslems. She urged the media not to publish these opinions, particularly as they have no relation whatsoever with Egypt or its parliament and that it is best to ignore such nonsense.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Thursday May 10, 2012, 7:28 am
OK, some "Moroccan citizen" wrote an Islamic ruling "Fatwa" permitting sex with the dead, and that ruling was published in Egyptian newspapers.

NCW DID NOT send a protest letter, thus preferring to ignore the article, which "creates splits among cultures and is detrimental to Islam and Moslems. ". Did the Islamic clerics of Egypt issue a counter Fatwa, condemning the "Moroccan citizen" and the newspapers editors in apostasy and demanded from them to repent and to apologize, like they do to others? So far they did not.

Damage control is what it is, my hard-working Abdessalam, you are just trying to clean something very unclean. But, as the saying goes, "No matter how much are you pampering a piq, it won't look like a bride, unless to another pig".
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday May 13, 2012, 7:34 am
Kate, let's assume that that Moroccan Imam was crazy. Was Egyptian government newspaper editors also crazy to publish hallucinations of a sick man, or, being Islamists as they were, they just published the permit to have sex with the dead?

If the legendary Mohammed lied down with his dead aunt, why can't his average follower do the same?
 
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