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Pictures From Israel: The Death Toll of Jihadist Savagery


World  (tags: Arab war against Israel )

Alexander
- 735 days ago - jihadwatch.org
The Palestinian Arab propaganda machine is in full swing, manufacturing Israeli "atrocities" -- atrocities that the jihadis try to provoke by launching attacks from civilian areas, hoping to draw retaliatory fire that they can use for propaganda purposes.



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Alexander Werner (53)
Friday November 16, 2012, 1:14 pm
These are the simple peaceful people trying to live normal lives. As they are standing on the way of Islamic militants trying to build world Califate - they are bombed and kiled.

By the same type of people who come to live here and then turn terrorists.
 

Tarlo Vladimir (50)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 1:20 pm
We should help Islamic terrotists and their Leaders to commit suicide all together and to join their prophet Mohammad and Allah. . This is only right way to save our Planet from the complite distruction by Islamic barbarians.
 

Marie Therese Hanulak (30)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 2:02 pm
Violence and hatred. That's what humans do best.
 

Deborah W. (6)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 2:46 pm
As with any group you can cite, there are peace-seeking, co-existing preference masses infested with radical, non-comproomising types (as witnessed by invasions, random mass killings, genocide etc.) ... even as witnessed by looting, price gouging, etc. toward those already devasted by Sandy.

The large populations, I still believe, respect the premise that we are all parts of the one whole, committed to a sharing of this one planet. It's beyond time to come to terms with our likenesses and not our differences. That could be the start of something good.
 

Christine Linley (11)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 3:33 pm
BBC BREAKING NEWS

One more Palestinian killed in #Israel's air strikes on #Gaza; since Wednesday 40 Palestinians, 3 Israelis killed. LIVE http://bbc.in/SBfaWi

 

Stan B. (121)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 4:31 pm
I sincerely hope the IDF wipe out this vipers' nest in Gaza, once and for all.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 4:31 pm
The media propaganda machine is always at its best when there is confrontation between Israel and Palestinians. Of course the very fact that Israel has been bombarded with rockets on a daily basis hardly warrants mentioning. Well this time Israel has had enough and is retaliating in like measure. Who starts these conflicts? Why the 'Religion of Peace' of course. If this was happening to us in Australia we would be responding in like manner. Go Israel - Be'ahavat Yisrael, Shalom and be safe.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:01 pm
It is time Israel goes after terrorists and does that cleaning Palestinian Authority does not dare to do.

 

Beth S. (333)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:11 pm
Thanks, Bob.

Yes the PA would be very happy. The only people that are unhappy are the people that have been convinced by the Arab-propagated lies, the petrodollar controlled Western press, because they know that kind of news sells, and most of the Muslim leaders who, without the distraction of their "dear Palestinian brothers", would have their populations turn on them even more, if truth would be known.

The Arabs who profess to love their Palestinian brethren, don't seem to mind that the Arab countries refuse to resettle the Palestinians and let them assimilate. They would rather keep them in "Refugee camps" for generations that -- and remember the refugee camps are in the ARAB countries, and make their professed brethren suffer rather than allow them out of the Arab-controlled refugee camps.

My brother would NEVER treat me like that. Most people who truly care wouldn't treat their family like that either.
 

. (7)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:12 pm
Same here, Stan!
 

Devon Leonard (54)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 5:24 pm
If someone was sending rockets into my backyard I would do whatever I could to stop them.........
We need more Peacemakers to emerge to help us globally transcend the "might makes right" mentality. That mind-set will only lead to increased instability and suffering. The 21st century demands that we mature and take greater responsibility for all our actions. Extremism in all its forms can be very dangerous ......... We need to work and stand together and save the lives of all the innocent's that are being lost as we speak...
 

Gloria H. (88)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 7:39 pm
propaganda is propaganda. News Flash! Neither side is "innocent". The British started it all by offering up chunks of land that they had no right to give away. When the Holocaust ended, survivors went back to find their homes occupied and no one willing to give them back their rightful homes. On the other hand, Palestinian homes that they have had for years are bulldozed because they are too close to a border and could harbor terrorists. They may have been totally innocent of harboring anything except resentment. So who is the victim, who is the aggresor? It isn't so black and white.
Any people occupied by others is going to resent it. Witness our own civil war aftermath. I have no answers, I am just stateing that this is a gray zone. If it had been America occupied by the Vietnamese, would we be strapping bombs to our children? We can't really say no. Someone may have been willing to do it to orphans, or any kid they could snatch and load up.We know people exist who do horrible things to animals, they could also do it to children...all they need is an excuse.
I think we need to really keep our cool. Propaganda, rumors are so hard to find the truth in them.
 

Nancy Black (303)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 8:06 pm
Noted, tweeted, tweeted and shared. Sad, but neither side is without blame. This has gone on too long. It is time for compromise and to take leadership away from fanatics and to give it to those who are willing to take an half loaf instead of a whole. These fanatics care only about political and religious dogma instead about the innocent people dying. Look at those pictures; it makes you cry. This time it is Israeli victims; next time, Palestinian victims. Either way, it's ugly especially the helpless children.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 8:28 pm
Gloria, the term "occupation" is an Arab invention: neither The Land of Israel, nor Ottoman Empire really belonged to them.

Do you know that to be recognized as a "Palestinian Refugee", one had to live in Israel between June 19 and May 1948? Not tens of years, not even five years like to be eligible to US or Canadian Citizenship, any time between two years!

And this "Palestinian Refugee" title is inheritable FOREVER!!! Arabs, who were born and lived their whole lives in Arab countries are still "Palestinian Refugee" at UN payroll, covered by EU and US taxpayers. Saudis give less that 7% of the expenses - despite being their brothers.

After
* Arab nation got 22 states for themselves and failed pretty much all of them;
* Arab states fight Druze and Kurds trying to get their own states;
* Arab and iranian extremists are fighting Israel, though Jewish nation got 0.01% of lands Arabs got,

I can say who is innocent in this conflict. I support Israel and want accountability on all the money stolen in the name of helping "Palestinian Refugee". I want these "Palestinian Refugee" to be on equal funding with the rest of world refugee, because their preferential funding and condition unfair to real refugees.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 10:11 pm
Right on Bob, I will also add that the majority of Jews that came to Israel were not from Europe but were driven from their homes in Arab countries. Over 900,000 lost their homes, business and had to flee. So what about their rights?

No in this case the Palestinians are wrong, full stop. I will also say that if the USA or Australia were taken over by any other nations I would never even imagine strapping bombs on any kids. It is psychotic to think that that kind of action has any justification at all.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 10:47 pm
Ira, strapping bombs to kids or themselves is not psychtic, if one believes that for killing several infidels he will get into a Paradise.

For people living unhappy lives, without music and dances, without alcohol, under strict dogmatic rules, with hate to different people preached daily, suicide may be a reasonable act. Corrupted society makes their life unbearable anyway, and here is a chance to make a good buck by killing the Jew/Indians/Christians/... one was taught to hate from birth. In addition, the family will get an elevated status of "Real Heroes".

Then the suicide becomes quite a feasible transaction. Note that to stop it Israelis figured out to break houses of the suicide bombers: transaction became unfeasible and bombers stopped.
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Saturday November 17, 2012, 11:27 pm
Propaganda may be done by all sides but all one has to do is look at past performances of people to see which propaganda truly is propaganda!! Actions speak louder than words no matter how loud the words are!!
 

Stan B. (121)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 2:57 am
karin y. You are a foul-mouthed piece of work. I have reported your unacceptable language.
 

. (0)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 3:00 am
This breaks my heart, from both sides. I pray for peace. Thank you.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 4:09 am
Karin, Israel is a sovereign nation. Jews have lived in the area uninterrupted for over 3500 years. It has had several rulers over the years but at no time was there ever a Palestinian nation. When it was partitioned by the UN for the use of several groups, Arabs/Muslims received over 80% of the land. The Jews less than 20%. The 80% included Jordan and the west bank. Gaza was part of Egypt.

The area that the Palestinians were given was bigger than the Israelis. The Israelis agreed the Arabs did not want anyone that is not Muslim living there.

The Israelis that you are condemning have as much right or even more right to the area based on any criteria;

Historically Jews are the indigenous people,

Legally, The area was portioned by the UN in concert with the Turkish.

Morally as the Israelis have worked 6 day a week for over 60 years transforming the land from a desert and swamp land to the most productive area in the Middle East.

As to your get the Fu!K out is concerned it appears that you do not know either history or manners. .

Your comments that Israelis are murderers is just not true. Look at Hamas' actions since they have had control of the Gaza. They have killed more Arabs than the Israelis. Their charter calls for the extermination of a whole people. Their charter explicitly calls for the death of all Jews. That is fact.

The Israeli charter provides equal rights for all regardless of religion. There are Muslims in the Israeli government and on the supreme court. Israel does not even have a death penalty. unlike your friends Hamas.

Non-Muslims are not allowed to have any position in the Hamas government except dead.

Oh and by the way Israel is spelled Israel not Isreal. So your posting not only shows that you are ignorant of facts and have a foul mouth you do not know how to use a spell checker.

And as to Imaginary Gods and whack-jobs have a look at the Islamic Brotherhood. Suicide bombers, Machine gunning kindergartens, Blowing up school buses. The list is not only long but but horrific. They use terror as a standard means of political expression. Now they are purposely shelling civilian targets while hiding among their own women and children. That is called using civilians as human shields. That is a war crime.

So lets see you support, Genocide, Terror, War Crimes and Murder. So I guess a little foul language and lies are nothing much to you.
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 7:24 am
Deborah W, it's nice to convince yourself that 'most' people everywhere are decent and peace-loving, and some places that may even be true, but it is dangerous to assume that about every place. Here's what the majority of Palestinians (73%) polled DO believe in - killing all Jews as Mohammed and Allah commanded them to do - and destroying Israel. (The majority of Palestinians elected the Hamas Islamist terrorists remember):

Bukhari:V4B52N177 "Allah's Apostle said, 'The Hour will not be established until you fight
with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say.
"O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"
(A poll sponsored by the Israel Project found that 73 percent of Palestinian Arabs “believe” this Hadith, according to the findings of a July 2011 study by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner)
 

Carola May (20)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 7:34 am
Muslims have always claimed to be victims whenever any of their conquest victims have fought back at their aggression. Note the Burmese Buddhists have been persecuted, brutalized and killed by the invading Muslim there for decades, and now they have finally stood up and fought back and the Muslims have screamed 'victims' again and the international media and so-called human rights groups are making a big stink about the attacks on the Muslim aggressors and invaders, but they never cared a whit for the violence these non-Burmese invaders committed against the Burmese Buddhists, just like they ignore the ethnic cleansing of the peaceful Buddhist in SE Bangladesh by the Muslim majority there.

Maybe it's because the Israeli Jews aren't like the wailing emotionally volatile Palestinians and don't run screaming, waving their arms and screaming in the streets shouting 'Death to Palestinians' etc that is why the biased mainstream 'media' only broadcasts from Islamist terrorist-ruled Gaza. They get better ratings when they can show more wailing people (even when that is all faked, as we've seen too many times).
 

Tommy S. (11)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 7:57 am
Israel needs to do some more selective cleaning
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 8:08 am
Ah, the choir of Islamophobia singing to it self. The claim that Jews have been living there uninterrupted for more than 3500 years is specious at best and fails to acknowledge that Palestinians can make the same claim with more factual truth from the time of Roman Rule to and through the Crusades to the present. Karin is correct in just as many ways as any of the Islamophobes. It appears that many here need to be reminded that the US has not always supported Israel or even it creation as it is now, remember the fact that the USA did by force of law refuse to allow nearly every boat of Jewish refugees from Europe during and after WWII. The US did not back or condone the Jewish taking of 'Israel' by force to begin with.
The propaganda about 'if some one was firing missiles on you' completely and intentionally ignores the fact of the illegal, even to the Supreme Court of Israel and the Camp David Accords, land grabs by Israel, it ignores the blockade of Palestine by Israel, the complete control of the Palestinian economy and intentional impoverishment to sub-subsistence existence of its people by Israel. There is no way in hell that any of you can say truthfully say that the Jews in the WWII ghettos of Europe would have been unjustified in firing missiles into the surrounding German occupied cities, or for that matter the Native Peoples of the US doing the same from most of the atrocities called 'reservations'. And then we come to the giant invisible Nuclear elephant in the room. The US has far far more interest in ensuring that the Totally Illegal, as the Iranian program, Nuclear Weapon Arsenal program given to Israel by the US does not fall into the hands of any other Middle East nation as it does in anything else. As for the current absolutist Protect Israel at All Cost choir you are going to find that most of the choir are Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians who want the Rapture, read want to hasten the End Times, and according to their chosen reading of their chosen interpretation/edited version of their Holy Bible can only occur when all of the Jews in the World are in the Nation of Israel which has Jerusalem as it capital to light the fuse of Armageddon. Both sides in this are wrong because they have allowed their respective Neocon factions to create an environment of fear and hate that allows them to go from saber rattling to active military violence.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 8:20 am
Lloyd, lumping together all Muslims and Islamist extremists and militants is racist and offensive to moderate Muslims.

You basically combine Malala and her intended killers in one group, just because each of them call each other Muslim. This is a huge insult to all Malalas of the World and you must apologize for that.

Speaking of Arabs, they are not the only ethnic group, populating Middle East. Arab nation got already 99.99% of all Middle East lands, and is now fighting Israel for 0.01% of lands they already got.

Leaving historical and religious rights of Jews to live their own state, Arabs simply do not have rights for the 23-rd state - it never was their in the first place. Ottoman Empire was Turkish, not Arab.

You can talk about Armageddon, but I don't see any merits for the World coming from creating of this new 23rd Arab and 2nd Palestinian Arab state, which will be obviously militant,.ruled by religious fanatics, discriminating against minorities and women and starting wars with Israel on any good occasion.

If you don't like wars, say NO to Hamas aggression against Israel, and do not let them hide behind Moderate Muslims, as their militants hide behind civilians.
 

Christine Linley (11)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 9:22 am


BBC Breaking News

, At least 10 Palestinians died in one air strike on Sunday afternoon, bringing the total number killed in Gaza today to at least 21
The violence so far has claimed the lives 64 Palestinians, many of them civilians, and three Israelis
All times are in GMT
 

Rob and Jay B. (121)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 9:35 am
Karin Y, what a 'whack job' you are yourself! What utter nonsense you spew. Get some information and clean up your mouth.

Jerusalem was founded 3000 years ago by JEWS while the Arabs were living in mud huts without roofs or tents. It has been invaded, conquered and plundered by many - Muslims being the last. It is Muslim Arabs who are the invaders there who deliberately desecrated the Jews' holiest site, the Temple Mount, with their Dome of the Rock (where Mohammed claimed to have flown to heaven on a white horse and chatted with Jesus and Moses et al - they all, he said, praised him as the greatest prophet, even tho he was a mass murderer, child molester, bandit, rapist, sex slave owner etc). The Dome of the Rock is covered in Islamic graffiti with verses shouting hatred of Jews and Christians. Where is your outrage over this? The also built the al Aqsa mosque next to the Dome and never allowed Jews to even stand on the Mount and pray.

Palestine/Palestinians is a new word not used until the 20th century. They were the Philistines. There never has been a Palestine as a country in history. Even Palestinians admit that (see quote below)

It is the Muslim hatred of Jews and Israel that has started this conflict. The so-called 'occupied' lands that Israel now claims were fairly won when the Arabs/Muslims attacked Israel and little Israel won. It's the Arabs' own fault they lost these lands because of their bigotry and aggression.

Israel pulled out of all of Gaza years ago. Gaza is ruled by Hamas, a terrorist organization of the Muslim Brotherhood, who persecutes all non-Muslims, tortures and imprisons gay people and has been trying to force barbaric Sharia law down everyone's throats. Is this what you are defending? If they spent the same amount of time creating a civilized country they wouldn't be the primitive backwater they are now.

Israel is the only free democracy in the whole region surrounded by hateful, backward, primitive Islamic states where there is no freedom of speech, conscience, religion or press - all available in Israel (even to their large Arab Muslim population).

Here's what a PLO leader admits - 'the Palestinian people do not exist':

The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism."
-- Zahir Muhsein, PLO executive committee member

None of you supporters of the Palestinian black hole seem to remember that almost 1 million Jews were refugees expelled from Muslim occupied lands and Israel took them all in while the Muslims use the Palestinians in their campaign to kill all Jews and destroy Israel, but they do little for them while they've sat on their lazy butts and whined for 70 years while Israel has made the desert bloomed and given humankind so much scientific and medical knowledge and inventions.

Your ignorance is showing.
 

Mori H. (0)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 10:29 am
I guess the missiles launched by Palestinian extremist in retaliation for years of occupation by Israel sort of paled by comparison ( by me at least ) to the all out air strikes and well funded military strikes by Israel that killed hundreds of Palestinian where only a few Israeli were killed. The fact that we talk about anyone being killed at all is horrific. The fact that the US funds Israel while Palestine lives under a state of constant curfew, blockage and terror and the world chooses not to look is horrific. The Jews, and Arabs, Palestinians all have lived in that area for centuries, however on maps ( lets just talk about this century) I see only Palestine until the 1940's. What happened? Do you even know history? We wanted a foot in the middle east and we along with Briton used WWII to create the state of Israel and the rest is history. I do not support this, i do not support aide to Israel and I do not support Not supporting Palestine not having EQUAL rights as well as an EQUAL military. Israel is as blood thirsty as any country in the world and the religion is as extreme as any I have seen. I have friends in Tel Aviv and I know what it is like. I would no more treat a dog the way the Palestinians are treated by the Israeli army on a daily basis. Check out the WALL Israel is building, cutting off one group of Palestinians from another. Chopping up the land like an evil snake. That wall has to go! The goal of Israel seems to be genocide much as was done to them by Hitler. Where is the world as this is done? Where do we stand as humans? This makes me sick!
 

Mori H. (0)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 10:31 am
to Rob and Jay "but they do little for them while they've sat on their lazy butts and whined for 70 years while Israel has made the desert bloomed and given humankind so much scientific and medical knowledge and inventions. " I did not see the desert bloom under Israel, i saw them destroy every olive tree they could and make a waste land in order to build a wall the likes of which I doubt you have ever seen unless you were there.
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 12:28 pm

Whose Jerusalem ?

Whose Land ?

"PALESTINE" - Never an Arab Country

One of the myths of our time is that Israel, before it was settled by the “alien” Jews and “stolen” from the Arabs as a result of “imperialist machinations,” was an independent state called “Palestine” whose majority residents were Moslem “Palestinians”. Unfortunately for those who would propagate such misinformation, the truth can be easily and historically seen.
The historical fact is that until the defeat of the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire in World War I, there was no geopolitical entity called “Palestine,” no Arab nation ever set historical roots on this soil and no national claim was ever made to the territory by any national group other than the Jews.

Between the time of the expulsion of the Jews by the Romans in the year 70 to 132 AD and the defeat of the Ottoman Empire in 1918, Israel (“Palestine”) was occupied by fourteen conquerors over thirteen centuries, until in 1948 the Jews once again declared their independence. The following table shows the historical periods of the various rulers of “Palestine”:

1. Israel Rule (Biblical period) 1350 BC to 586 BC
2. Babylonian Conquest 587 BC to 538 BC
3. Israel Autonomy (under Persian & Greco-Assyrian sovereignty) 538 BC to 168 BC
4. Revolt of the Maccabees 168 BC to 143 BC
5. Rule of the Hashmoneans & their successors 143 BC to 70 AD
6. Jewish Autonomy (under Roman & Byzantine sovereignty) 70 AD to 637 AD
7. Rule of Moslem Caliphs
Mecca 637 AD to 661 AD
Umayyides 661 AD to 750 AD
Abbaaside 750 AD to 870 AD
Fatimides 969 AD to 1071 AD 637 AD to 1072 AD
8. Seljukes Rule 1072 AD to 1096 AD
9. Crusaders
Ayyubids (in parts only) 1175 AD to 1291 AD 1099 AD to 1291 AD
10. Mamelukes Rule 1291 AD to 1516 AD
11. Ottomans (Turks) 1516 AD to 1918 AD
12. British Mandate 1918 AD to 1948 AD
13. Israel rule under democracy 1948 AD --- .
Thus, during the entire period of recorded history “Palestine” was never ruled by so called “Palestinians”, the name adopted today by the Moslem residents of the Holy Land. The rule of the various Moslem Caliphates, which was a foreign rule, extended for a period of 432 years – Jewish rule of “Palestine” extended over a period of over 2000 years.

The inhabitants of the land consisted of the conquering soldiers and their slaves, and only during the Moslem conquest of the area were these diverse ethnic inhabitants compelled to accept Islam and the Arabic tongue, or be put to the sword. The Jews, on the other hand, are in fact the sole survivors of the ancient inhabitants of “Palestine”, who have maintained an uninterrupted link with the land since the dawn of recorded history.

It is one of the failures of our media today that, while an almost complete acceptance is granted to an absurd, fabricated lie, no attention at all is paid to the fascinating story of the Jewish families and communities who have resided in the Holy Land without interruption since Biblical times. These people have, throughout hundreds and thousands of years, kept their national claim to God's given ownership of their homeland.

Arabs Recognize Jewish Sovereignty

These facts were well known and publicly recognized by the international community in 1919, during the Allied peace Conference in Paris, to which representatives of the Middle East Moslems, as well as the Jewish people were invited. At this conference, Emir (Crown Prince) Feisal, son of king Hussein (great grandfather of the present king Hussein of Jordan), who headed the Moslem delegation, agreed that “Palestine” should be earmarked as the specific area in which Jewish sovereignty was to mature.
He announced acceptance of the Balfour Declaration of November 2nd, 1917, and concluded an agreement with the World Zionist Organization, confirming that “all such measures shall be adopted as will afford the fullest guarantee of carrying into effect the British Government's Balfour Declaration”.

These same sentiments were expressed by Emir Feisal in a letter (dated March 3, 1919) to Prof. Felix Frankfurter, Justice of the United States Supreme Court: “Our deputation here in Paris is full acquainted with the proposals submitted by the Zionist organization to the Peace Conference, and we regard them as modest and proper. We will do our best, insofar as we are concerned, to help them through. We will wish the Jews a most hearty welcome home.”

Jewish Areas Reduced

The two sets of promises officially made by Britain – one to the Moslems and the other to the Jews – were originally fully reconcilable ones.
The interesting historical fact is that between World War I and the United Nations partition of “Palestine” in 1947, British promises to the Moslems were over-fulfilled, while their promises to the Jews were constantly violated and whittled down. Far from being the victims of imperialism, the Moslems were handsomely rewarded when 20 sovereign states were artificially established by the British after carving up the former Turkish Empire. These new countries had no previous national history or independent culture.

The development of the part of “Palestine” allocated by the major Powers for Jewish sovereignty took a different course. The area originally designated and agreed to by Hussein and Feisal was first reduced by four-fifths. Four-fifths of the Jewish homeland was given in a “land for peace” agreement and on this land today's kingdom of Jordan was established. On one-fifth of the remaining land, the democratic country of Israel exists today. In 1948, in the wake of 7 invading armies, Israel declared independence. The State of Israel consists of less than 8,000 square miles. Against this, only five Moslem States – Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Iraq – cover an area of 1,200,000 square miles.

It should be pointed out here that at that time over 70% of today's Israel consisted of Crown lands transferred from the outgoing Ottoman Power to the Incoming British Mandatory Authority. The remaining 30% of the land was largely swamp and barren hillside: It was in these areas that Jewish settlement began through land purchase from absentee Moslem owners. At no time did the Jews seek to displace the indigenous Moslem population.

The distribution of land in 1949 in the part of “Palestine” after Israel was re-established was as follows:

8.6% of the land was owned by Jews.
3.3% of the land was owned by Israeli Moslems.
16.5% of the land was owned by other Moslems.
70% of the land was the property of the British Mandatory Government, after 1948 transferee to the Government of Israel.
Under the Mandate, the Jewish population continued to grow but while their immigration was progressively restricted, that of Moslems from the surrounding countries (Syria and Jordan) was completely free. As a result, attracted by the Jewish development of the country, the Moslem population increased rapidly and had attained majority by 1947.
Palestinian Arabs Never a Nation

“Palestinian” Arab nationalism today is a product of recent political and religious currents. Until the 1920's no such national community had even existed in “Palestine”. This is why both the Balfour Declaration and the League of Nations Mandate charged the Jews of the National Home with guaranteeing the civil and religious rights of other inhabitants. No mention was made of other national rights of other inhabitants, as it was recognized that the only national claim to the area was that made by the Jews.
But the fiction of Palestinian Arab nationality is still being exploited. If the Palestinians were in fact a separate nationality then their anger over the past 20 years would have been directed as much against Jordan and Egypt as against Israel, for it was the invading armies of these countries which captured, in the 1948 war, a substantial portion of the territory allotted under the United Nations' plan to the Palestinian Moslems. This included the West Bank, which was occupied by the Jordanian Army, and added to their Kingdom, and the Gaza Strip, which was seized by the Egyptians.

The one people that have, in fact, maintained its historic connection with the area called “Palestine,” over a period of 2,000 years, is the Jews. Of course, the Bible never uses the term “Palestine”, but prefers to call this land “Judah” or “Israel”.

Indeed, the Jewish right to the land of Israel is not based only on history and the Bible, but is claimed by the physical process of work invested in transforming it into an area capable of supporting life. It is the fruits of this work that motivate mythological Arab claims to the territory.

The Christian Mid-East Conference, CMC Fact Page
The Christian Mid-East Conference, P.O. Box 82, Poway, California 92064
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 12:32 pm
Link to the above info.. http://www.cdn-friends-icej.ca/never_arab.html
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 12:34 pm
The Truth About the
Palestinian People

The 1948 Israeli War of Independence was between the neighboring Arab countries and the newly formed state of Israel. The Arab countries did not send troops to help the people that are today known as "Palestinians" but rather they sent troops to drive the Jews into the sea. Most of the "Palestinian Arabs" fled to avoid the fighting. Remember, in 1948 they were not referred to as "Palestinians". This name was was created by the Soviet disinformation masters in 1964 when they created the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). The term "Palestinian People" as a description of Arabs in Palestine appeared for the first time in the preamble of the 1964 PLO Charter, drafted in Moscow. The Charter was affirmed by the first 422 members of the Palestinian National Council, handpicked by the KGB. This term was formally used by newspapers around the world after 1967.

United Nations Resolution 181 partitioned the territory from the British Mandate for Palestine into two states - one for Jews and one for Palestinian Arabs. All of the Arab countries objected to the creation of the Jewish state and fought a war against its creation. This was Israel's War of Independence in 1948. Despite their superior numbers, the Arab countries lost the war and the Palestinian state never materialized because of this loss. In the war that was waged, the territory allotted to be the Palestinian state by the UN partition resolution was divided between Israel and Jordan. The "Palestinian Arabs" were rejected by every single Arab country, with the exception of the small percentage that ended up in refugee camps in Jordan where they remain to this day.

http://www.targetofopportunity.com/palestinian_truth.htm
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 12:37 pm

Additional Titles

WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?
WHAT AND WHERE IS PALESTINE?

Rockwell Lazareth

These and other questions will be addressed more fully as you go through this website. However, there is a preliminary historical fact that must be established now. There has never been a civilization or a nation referred to as "Palestine" and the very notion of a "Palestinian Arab nation" having ancient attachments to the Holy Land going back to time immemorial is one of the biggest hoaxes ever perpetrated upon the world! There is not, nor has there ever been, a distinct "Palestinian" culture or language. Further, there has never been a Palestinian state governed BY Arab Palestinians in history, nor was there ever a serious Arab-Palestinian national movement until 1964... three years BEFORE the Arabs of "Palestine" lost the "West Bank" and Gaza as a result of losing the 1967 Six-Day War (which the Arabs started).

Before the 1967 war, the Palestine Liberation Organization's (PLO) primary goal was to destroy Israel. Post-1967, their goal became two-tracked: Either (1) destroy Israel outright (the same pre-1967 goal) or (2) the creation of an Arab-Palestinian state to be used as a launching pad from which to destroy Israel. Different strategies - same ultimate goal... a state not along side Israel, but IN PLACE OF Israel. It's really that simple!

Israel became a nation in 1312B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam! Seven hundred and twenty-six years later in 586 B.C. these first ancient Jews in the Land of Israel [Judea] were overrun and its First Jewish Temple (on Jerusalem's Old City Temple Mount) was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar, king of ancient Babylon. Many of the Jews were killed or expelled; however many were allowed to remain. These Jews along with their progeny and other Jews who would resettle over the next 500 years, rebuilt the Nation of Israel and also a Second Temple upon the Temple Mount. Thus the claim that Jews suddenly appeared fifty years ago right after the Holocaust and drove out the Arabs is preposterous!

Then in 70 A.D. (nearly 2000 years ago), it was the Roman Empire's turn to march through ancient Israel and destroy the SECOND Jewish Temple, slaughtering or driving out much of its Jewish population. Many Jews left on their own because conditions for life were made unbearable in many respects... yet thousands upon thousands stayed and rebelled on for centuries in order to once again rebuilt a Jewish Nation in this Holy Land.

Over the next 2,000 years various Peoples, Religions and Empires marched through Jerusalem, Israel's ancient capital. None bothered, nor were they in the least bit inclined, to build a Nation of their own. The region was successively ruled by the Greeks, Maccabeans, Romans, Byzantines, Arabs, Egyptians, Crusaders, Mamelukes and finally the Ottoman Turks who indifferently governed the backward, neglected territory from the 16th century until the British drove them out during World War I (1914-18). It must be noted that in 636 A.D., when the Arabs marauders came to the land and uprooted even more of its Jews, they did not form any Arab nation there... and certainly not a "Palestinian" nation. They were simply "Arabs" who, as did others before them, moved into a geo-political area called "Palestine!" And remember this one fact... it was not the Jews who "usurped" (a favorite word from the Arab propagandists) the land from the Arabs. If anything, it was the Arabs in 636A.D. who overran and stole it from the Jews!

In Conclusion: No nation, other than the ancient nation of Israel and later again in 1948 with the rebirth of the Nation of Israel, has ever ruled as a sovereign national entity on this land. A mighty Jewish empire extended over this entire area before the Arabs and their Islam were even born! The Jewish People have one of the most legitimate Birth Certificates of any nations in the world. And if you want to talk religion, fine. G-d GAVE the Land of Israel to the Jewish People. And G-d does nothing by accident!

"PALESTINE?"

The term "Palestine" came from the name that the conquering Roman Empire gave the ancient Land of Israel in an attempt to obliterate and de-legitimize the Jewish presence in the Holy Land. The Roman Procurator in charge of the Judean-Israel territories was so angry at the Jews for revolting that he called for his historians and asked them who were the worst enemies of the Jews in their past history. The scribes said, ‘the Philistines." So, the Procurator declared that Land of Israel would from then on be called "Philistia" [further bastardized into "Palaistina"] to dishonor the Jews and obliterate their history. Hence the name "Palestine." One more thing. Very often one hears the revisionists and propagandists finding ancient historical links between the "Philistines" and the Arab "Palestinians." There is no truth to this claim! The Philistines were one of a number of Sea Peoples who reached the eastern Mediterranean region approximately 1250-1100B.C. They were actually an amalgamation of various ethnic groups, primarily of Aegean and south-east European origin [Greece, Crete and Western Turkey] ... but surely not of Arabian origin! These Philistines were not Arab... and neither was Goliath! The Arabs of "Palestine" are just that... Arabs! And these Arabs of "Palestine" have about as much historical roots to the ancient Philistines as Yasser Arafat has to the Eskimos!

If anything, the name "Palestine" was associated with Jews. In the years leading up to the rebirth of Israel in 1948, those who spoke of "Palestinians" were nearly always referring to the region's Jewish residents. In fact, Arab leaders rejected the notion of a unique "Palestinian Arab" identity, insisting that Palestine was merely a part of "Greater Syria."

THE RETURN TO ZION

The Land of Israel was never devoid of Jews, although at times, only in the tens of thousands. This was because the land was virtually uninhabitable when the Jews once again began their God-given right AND duty to return en masse to the land of their forefathers (the Zionist Movement) in the 1880s. The silly rhetoric about a massive Arab presence being overrun by "invading Jews" is quickly dispelled by Mark Twain, who visited the area in 1867. From his book, "The Innocents Abroad"... "A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds... a silent mournful expanse.... a desolation.... we never saw a human being on the whole route.... hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country."

1880's

Palestine's early Jewish Zionists were idealistic pioneers who arrived in pre-state Israel with every intention of living in peace alongside their Arab neighbors and upgrading the quality of life for all of the land's inhabitants. The vast majority of Arabs came to the area after these early Zionists pioneers began to drain the malaria-infested swamps and rebuild the land! In doing so, these Jews created the economic opportunities and medical availabilities which attracted Arabs from both surrounding territories and far-away lands! In fact, over 90% of the Arabs migrated there within the last one hundred years. Most of the so-called "Palestinians" are in fact interlopers and squatters from Syria - and others places - mostly in the 1920s and 1930s who simply took possession of pieces of land in Israel. So much for their unfounded claims that they have been there since "time immemorial!"

Yet while the returning Jews were highly motivated to restore the land, the Arabs seethed with envy and hatred because they lacked both the leadership to inspire or motivate them for they were in fact historical strangers to this land! Unlike the Jews, these Arabs who immigrated there had no ancient attachments or historical memories to this homeland ... this ancient Land of the Jews!

In Conclusion: There Was No "Arab Palestinian" history before the Arabs created one somewhat after 1948 but especially after the June 1967 Arab-Israeli War! Archeological sites to this very day continue to yield artifacts with Hebrew writing, not some fictitious "Palestinian" or Arabic text! The so-called "Palestinian" Arabs were simply then, as they are now, Arabs no different culturally, historically or ethnically from other Arabs living in any other of the 24 Arab countries from which they emigrated and came into "Palestine!" Had the Chinese come to the area, they too would be called "Palestinians!" And had not the Arabs continued to brainwash generation upon generation into believing this HISTORICAL HOGWASH about some ancient "Arab Palestinian" ties to the Holy Land, most could have gotten themselves a real life by now with much less bloodshed and suffering for everyone concerned!

GREED, PRIDE, ENVY!

The Arabs of today controls 24 nations... 99½ percent of the ENTIRE Middle East land mass while Israel occupies only a 1/2 of 1 percent speck on this same map. But that's still too much land for the Arabs to spare. They want it all. As they shout out, "We will fight to our last drop of blood for for every last grain of sand!" And that is ultimately what all the fighting is about today. And no matter how many land concessions the Israelis might make for "peace," it will never be enough! Any peace treaty between Israel and the Arab world are ultimately meaningless. Even the Israeli-Egyptian and Israeli-Jordanian peace treaties are holding on by a single thread and if you were to read their government-controlled newspapers you'd think they were still at war with Israel!

PEACE IS IMPOSSIBLE!
-The Death of Compromise-
There's No More "Middle" in the Middle East

From the moment the Jewish People re-established sovereignty in their ancient homeland, they sought genuine peace with all of their neighbors. Unfortunately, their neighbors did not wish to share a peaceful existence with the Jews. They, like Bin Ladin, felt that they had a religious obligation to destroy the non-Muslim/Arab Jewish State... and all non-Moslem governments in the world. The Arab campaign against Israel is rooted not in any negotiable grievances but in a basic opposition to the very existence of Jewish sovereignty in THEIR Middle East! The ultimate intent of the Arabs is to separate out Judaism from Israel... and then to separate Israel from the face of the Earth.

The Question of Jerusalem
And the Temple Mount

For over 3,300 years of history, Jerusalem (founded by King David) has been a capitol city for only the Jewish People. Jews have always lived in Jerusalem, except when they were massacred or driven out. There has, however, been a nearly unbroken Jewish presence in Jerusalem for the past 1,600 years. And since the early 1800's, the population of Jerusalem has been predominantly Jewish. Even when the Jordanians captured and occupied Jerusalem from 1948-67, they (the Jordanians) never sought to change it to their capital (replacing Amman) nor make it the capital of any "Arab Palestinian" people. In fact, Arab leaders from other Arab countries hardly ever bothered to visit Jerusalem! Only to the Jews has Jerusalem ever held special meaning!

Another myth deals with the issue of Jerusalem and its Temple Mount. The myth is that Jerusalem is really an Arab city and that it is a central focus of Islam. The truth is that the Arabs expressed very limited interest in the Temple Mount before 1967. Besides, Mecca and Medina (both in Saudi Arabia) are Islam's holiest cities!

One more thing about Jerusalem in general and its Temple Mount in particular. Jerusalem appears in the Jewish Bible 669 times and Zion (which usually means Jerusalem, sometimes the Land of Israel) 154 times, or 823 times in all. The Christian Bible mentions Jerusalem 154 times and Zion 7 times. Islam's Holy(?) Koran mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem and with good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammad ever visited Jerusalem! And if he did visit Jerusalem, it could not have been until 6 years after his death. Therefore, the notion that Mohammed ascended to Heaven from a rock in Jerusalem (today's Dome of the Rock) is even more ridiculous!

From 1948 to 1967, when East Jerusalem and the Temple Mount were under Jordanian rule, they were ignored by the Arab world. No Arab leader ever paid a visit, not even to pray at the al-Aqsa Mosque or the Dome of the Rock (both located on the JEWISH Temple Mount). Even the Arabs of "Palestine" placed so low a priority on Jerusalem that the PLO's founding charter, the Palestinian National Covenant of 1964, made no reference whatsoever to it. Only when the Jews recaptured it after the 1967 "Six Day War" (initiated by the Arabs) did the Arab world SUDDENLY grow very passionate about Jerusalem!

In truth, the Dome of the Rock and the Al-Aqsa mosques are just but two of hundreds of thousands of Muslim mosques around the world. Except for these two minor mosques, Jerusalem itself has no major Islamic significance. In fact, far more Christian shrines are in Jerusalem than Muslim ones!

When a Jew prays from anywhere in the world, he faces the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. When a Moslem prays, even while IN Jerusalem, he faces Mecca (in Saudi Arabia). So in many cases, even when a Moslem is in Jerusalem, his "hind quarters" are facing these two Jerusalem mosques! What does THIS tell you! And when Islamic suicide bombers try to take apart Jerusalem piece by piece, what does THAT tell you!

http://www.newswithviews.com/israel/israel14.htm
 

Carol Dreeszen (362)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 12:40 pm
WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?
WHAT & WHERE is PALESTINE?
http://www.masada2000.org/
 

Jennifer Ward (40)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 1:02 pm
The Wall was built in response to the weekly (and increasing) suicide bombings commited by Palestinians. The Israelis didn't just wake up one morning and decide it would by a nice DIY project. Israel is a tiny fraction of the area formerly known as Palestine- which BTW, was never a country. It had no currency, noo parliament, no defined borders or army. Nearly 900,000 Jews were driven from the parts of Palesine now claimed for Jordan & Syria also Egypt. Not one Jewish family has been compensated.
 

tasunka m. (337)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 2:01 pm
Israelis and Palestinians come from the same ancestors.
This is more of a domestic dispute than most realize.
The Palestinians are upset because they don't have the educational principles that the Israeli's do and have raised generations of illiterate people who learn nothing but hate and blame their lack of world knowledge on their neighbours thinking if only we had more land we would have a better society....NONSENSE.....education can be achieved anywhere.I feel that Israel bends over backwards to help them achieve morality yet it is impossible to teach anything to those who don't want to hear only complain.
They have one or two points that could be worked out if they just gave "PEACE A CHANCE"...
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 3:05 pm
Karin - you do not know diddly squat. Your foulmouthed expose reveals just what you are - a moronic piece of blotting paper that soaks up anything and everything without question. Obviously your lack of education does you no justice. There was never a Palestinian State - however Israel is a State created by the United Nations as a homeland for the Jewish people - in 1948. It has the RIGHT TO EXIST. Shalom. BTW have reported your disgusting language as totally INAPPROPRIATE.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 3:26 pm
Karin, easy with the word Palestinian - it is not limited to Arabs. There are other natiions living in Palestine aka The Land Israel.

The fact that Israel is nice and is ready to share with Arabs its tiny land does not mean that Arabs got any rights over there. Arab never had a state of their own in Palestine, and now 22 states they managed to grab, taking 99.99% of all Middle East lands, must be enough.

And enough is enough. Everyone can see what type of country Hamas is building in Gaza, and only real Islamist will OK it.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday November 18, 2012, 3:55 pm
Mori wrote: "I did not see the desert bloom under Israel, i saw them destroy every olive tree they could and make a waste land in order to build a wall the likes of which I doubt you have ever seen unless you were there."

Mori, I was there, several times for vacation! Great time and great prices.

You can see what Israelis did if you visit Israel and them neighbouring countries: starving Egypt, half-starving Jordan, in-fighting Syria, Lebanon. After visiting Arab lands you will see for yourself who made the land WASTE.

You never visited Israeli farm yourself to clean nonsense spread by Islamist PR machine. You should know, Dawah lies, and lies a lot. Go there and see the truth for yourself.


 

Robby C. (59)
Monday November 19, 2012, 1:17 am
I will admit to not being educated enough on the subject of Israel, etc, to really form an opinion here, but I understand the Jews to be God's chosen people. And, Israel has taken it from all sides- one little country at war from every angle & holding out by themselves for so long. I am disgusted by muslimes & while I'm sure some are fine people- no real religion would condone killing, lying, stealing, strapping bombs to their children, etc, to spread their beliefs. It disgusts me. I believe in God & Jesus Christ. I do not begrudge anyone for beliving in their own god, but islam goes far past w/their hatred. I know Christians have been extreme in the past & strict Catholics have had their share of debauchery, but islam preys on violence beyond all others- the way they treat their women & non-human animals tells me all I need to know.
 

Hilary S. (44)
Monday November 19, 2012, 1:50 am
hams atrocities are committed against israel and against their own people. the goals of terrorism are opaque. they will never get what they want, and there is no point negotiating with them.
 

Christine Linley (11)
Monday November 19, 2012, 2:26 am

BBC BREAKING NEWS
18 Palestinians killed overnight in #Gaza, Hamas officials say, as #Israel's army reports targeting 80 sites http://bbc.in/SHgHKg
 

Christine Linley (11)
Monday November 19, 2012, 2:56 pm

BBC BREAKING NEWS

Number of Palestinians killed in six days of Israeli military offensive against Gaza rises above 100 http://bbc.in/SJtrjQ
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday November 19, 2012, 9:36 pm
Christine, you should check with Hamas people when will they stop.

You see, they probably don't get that Israel decided to bomb crap out of them until they start to behave. They obviously don't care about Gazans being killed, if they started this bombing in the first place. Guys like that will keep the war going for as long, as they are in power.

Hopefully, at the next elections Palestinian Arabs will not elect modern day Nazis to lead them towards Israel's destruction. That wise move will save many lives, Arab and Jewish Palestinians alike.
 

Mori H. (0)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 4:23 pm
Palestine had no history> ???The term Peleset (transliterated from hieroglyphs as P-r-s-t) is found in numerous Egyptian documents referring to a neighboring people or land starting from c.1150 BCE during the Twentieth dynasty of Egypt. The first mention is thought to be in texts of the temple at Medinet Habu which record a people called the Peleset among the Sea Peoples who invaded Egypt in Ramesses III's reign. The Assyrians called the same region Palashtu or Pilistu, beginning with Adad-nirari III in the Nimrud Slab in c.800 BCE through to emperor Sargon II in his Annals approximately a century later.Neither the Egyptian or Assyrian sources provided clear regional boundaries for the term.
The first clear use of the term Palestine to refer to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt was in 5th century BC Ancient Greece.Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" in The Histories, the first historical work clearly defining the region, which included the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.]Approximately a century later, Aristotle used a similar definition in Meteorology, writing "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them," understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea.Later writers such as Polemon and Pausanias also used the term to refer to the same region. This usage was followed by Roman writers such as Ovid, Tibullus, Pomponius Mela, Pliny the Elder, Dio Chrysostom, Statius, Plutarch as well as Roman Judean writers Philo of Alexandria and Josephus. Other writers, such as Strabo, a prominent Roman-era geographer (although he wrote in Greek), referred to the region as Coele-Syria ("all Syria") around 10-20 CE. The term was first used to denote an official province in c.135 CE, when the Roman authorities, following the suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt, combined Iudaea Province with Galilee and other surrounding cities such as Ashkelon to form "Syria Palaestina" (Syria Palaestina). There is circumstantial evidence linking Hadrian with the name change, although the precise date is not certain, and the assertion of some scholars that the name change was intended "to complete the dissociation with Judaea"is disputed.
Biblical scholars often trace the Hebrew name Peleshet (פלשת Pəlésheth), from the Semitic root p-l-sh (Hebrew: פלש‎) which means to divide, go through, to roll in, cover or invade,with a possible sense in this name as "migrant" or "invader" is usually transliterated as Palestine in English and equated to Philistia, which is used in the Bible more than 250 times. Other scholars mention a theory "proposed by Jacobsohn and supported by others, is that the name derives from the attested Illyrian locality Palaeste, whose inhabitants would have been called Palaestīnī according to normal grammatical practice"The Greek word Palaistínē (i.e., Παλαιστίνη) is generally accepted to be a translation of the Semitic name for Philistia; however another term – Land of Philistieim (Γη των Φυλιστιειμ, transliteration from Hebrew) – was used in the Septuagint, the second century BCE Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, to refer to Philistia. In the Torah / Pentateuch the term Philistia is used 10 times and its boundaries are undefined. The later Historical books (see Deuteronomistic history) include most of the biblical references, almost 200 of which are in the Book of Judges and the Books of Samuel, where the term is used to denote the southern coastal region to the west of the ancient Kingdom of Judah.
During the Byzantine period, the entire region (Syria Palestine, Samaria, and the Galilee) was named Palaestina, subdivided into provinces Palaestina I and II.The Byzantines also renamed an area of land including the Negev, Sinai, and the west coast of the Arabian Peninsula as Palaestina Salutaris, sometimes called Palaestina III. The Arabic word for Palestine is فلسطين (commonly transcribed in English as Filistin, Filastin, or Falastin). Moshe Sharon writes that when the Arabs took over Greater Syria in the 7th century, place names that were in use by the Byzantine administration before them, generally continued to be used. Hence, he traces the emergence of the Arabic form Filastin to this adoption, with Arabic inflection, of Roman and Hebrew (Semitic) names. Jacob Lassner and Selwyn Ilan Troen offer a different view, writing that Jund Filastin, the full name for the administrative province under the rule of the Arab caliphates, was traced by Muslim geographers back to the Philistines of the Bible.The use of the name "Palestine" in English became more common after the European renaissance. It was officially revived by the British after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and applied to the territory that was placed under the Palestine Mandate... there is HISstory and there is History.. it all depends on who reads what is written by whom.. I believe there was a Palestine and I also believe there was an Israel.. the lines on a map do not always a nation make.
 

Mori H. (0)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 5:12 pm
By the by Bob, I have friends in Israel and have been going there since the 1980's, I have Jewish and Muslim friends that does not change facts. Because it has the power to do so, Israel—as does the United States—flouts international law to keep a subject population in misery. The continued presence of Israeli occupation forces defies nearly a hundred U.N. Security Council resolutions calling for them to withdraw. The Israeli blockade of Gaza, established in June 2007, is a brutal form of collective punishment that violates Article 33 of the Fourth 1949 Geneva Convention, which set up rules for the “Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War.” The blockade has turned Gaza into a sliver of hell, an Israeli-administered ghetto where thousands have died, including the 1,400 civilians killed in the Israeli incursion of 2008. With 95 percent of factories shut down, Palestinian industry has virtually ceased functioning. The remaining 5 percent operate at 25 to 50 percent capacity. Even the fishing industry is moribund. Israel refuses to let fishermen travel more than three miles from the coastline, and within the fishing zone boats frequently come under Israeli fire. The Israeli border patrols have seized 35 percent of the agricultural land in Gaza for a buffer zone. The collapsing infrastructure and Israeli seizure of aquifers mean that in many refugee camps, such as Khan Yunis, there is no running water. UNRWA (the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East) estimates that 80 percent of all Gazans now rely on food aid. And the claim of Israeli self-defense belies the fact that it is Israel that maintains an illegal occupation and violates international law by carrying out collective punishment of Palestinians. It is Israel that chose to escalate the violence when during an incursion into Gaza earlier this month its forces fatally shot a 13-year-old boy. As the world breaks down, this becomes the new paradigm—modern warlords awash in terrifying technologies and weapons murdering whole peoples. We do the same in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 2:09 pm
Ms Harada, It is interesting that you mention all the UN resolutions that condemn Israel. The fact that the council that has put forward all these resolutions are from the wonderful people like Syria and Libya and Iran. No vested interest there huh?

As to the blockade, there has never been any blockade regarding food, medicine or esential services. the only thing that they have stopped has been the weapons material and as you can see from the sheer number of rockets fired at Tel Aviv they seem to get what they want.

If you want to start pointing fingers of scorn try the Palestinian leadership that has not made any effort to help their people except to train a new generation of martyrs. So when the President of the PA gets into his new Limo to drive to the next party you can wonder where all the aid money goes. I know that the West Bank Palestinians are getting fed up with it. So I guess it is time to start a new war to redirect their attention.

So you can point to the horrible conditions in the Gaza behind a huge wall that has brought down the number of suicide bombers by 95% and the Snipers by 90% and wonder why it was built.

When I was in Israel before Gaza was run by Hamas there was travel and jobs in Israel for Palestinians. Their income was higher than most Arabs and their health and life expectancy was higher that most Arabs. What do you think has changed since Hamas. Oh yes the indiscriminate murder if families by your friends.

Further as to your mention of the the water situation is not exactly correct. There have been large funds directed to the water development that has been provided by the aid agencies that has been diverted to other pockets in the Palestinian leadership. If you are looking at corrupt warlords you could direct your attention to the leaders in limos.

As to the Palestinian industries you can thank Hamas for using all the materials for was production. The only industry or work available in Gaza is working for Hamas and that is just the way they like it.

Fundamental religion to control the people and war to control the money. George Orwell would be proud, "Big Brother" Islamic style.
 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 2:19 pm
As a further comment on this situation even in the Arab press recognize the action of Hamas as being simply an extension of Iran's desire to destroy Israel.
Here is an article you might find interesting:

Kuwaiti Columnist: Hamas Is A Terrorist Organization
'Abdallah Al-Hadlaq, a columnist for the Kuwaiti daily Al-Watan, harshly condemned the double standard of some in the Arab media, who call Hamas's actions "resistance" or "jihad" and Israel's response "aggression," and added that Hamas is a terrorist organization killing innocent people. He wrote: "When terrorist organizations, including Hamas, fire mortars and rockets from the Gaza strip on cities in the Israeli south and kill innocent women and children, the misleading media call it 'resistance' or 'refusal' or 'jihad operations,' but when Israel attacks these organizations' military and security installations inside the Gaza Strip in order to stop this terroristic firing of mortars and rockets, the media call Israel's self-defense 'aggression.' These media outlets continue to discriminate and to call things by false names. They call the Israeli victims 'casualties' while Palestinian victims in the Gaza Strip are called 'martyrs.' These media outlets do not hesitate to deceive when they call Hamas's attacks on innocent civilians in Israel's southern cities 'a right of the Palestinian resistance and jihad movements,' while calling Israel's defense of its people 'the Israeli occupation army's aggression towards Gaza.'

"The terrorist group Hamas has started a confrontation with the Israeli army that it cannot end. After they process the horror of the Israeli response, the Hamas leaders will say what the Persian terrorist, Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah, said: If I knew the Israeli response would be this severe, I would not have provoked it."
 

Ira Herson (13)
Wednesday November 21, 2012, 2:30 pm
There are some Palestinians that have seen the situation even more clearly then some people that have condemned Israel. They put the blame on the real power behind Hamas. Here is an article from the PA that will interest some people:

Gaza Is A Pawn On Iran's Chessboard
'Adel 'Abd Al-Rahman, a columnist for the PA daily Al-Hayat Al-Jadida, wrote: "Clearly, Hamas wants to exploit the blood of the martyrs, the missiles that have reached Tel Aviv, Beersheba and Jerusalem, and the arrival of the Arab solidarity delegations – the [delegations headed by] the Egyptian prime minister and the Tunisian foreign minister, as well as the official Arab delegation headed by the Arab League secretary-general – to achieve its narrow sectarian goals, without consideration for the dangers that beset the Palestinian people in Gaza. Furthermore, [Hamas Political Bureau head] Khaled Mash'al, who is the most realistic and reasonable of Hamas's leaders, and Dr. Ramadan Shalah, head of the [Islamic] Jihad movement, are negotiating with Israel via the Egyptian leadership, even though [Mash'al] has no influence on the Hamas leaders inside Gaza and [Shalah] has close ties with the jihad [movements] and with Iran, and as such, is controlled by [Iran's] decisions and orientations. For [Iran], the war in Gaza is like a gift from heaven, because it has forced Israel to focus its attention on the Gaza front and to put the issue of Iran's nuclear program on the backburner. Some might argue that Obama gave Netanyahu and his government permission to crush the resistance in Gaza [just] in order to appease [Netanyahu] and keep him from launching a war in Iran, even if [the war on Iran is delayed] only for a short while..."

Lebanese journalist Khayrallah Khayrallah wrote on the liberal website elaph.com that the Gaza war is a result of Iran's wish to demonstrate its control over Gaza and the Muslim Brotherhood. The hope that Iran and Egypt would come to the Palestinians' rescue, he said, only reflects the breakdown of the Arabs' powers of reasoning:
"The Palestinian people and their cause are nothing but a bargaining chip for Iran. Sadly, some Palestinians believe that Iran is on their side and that it will [help them] get back Jerusalem. Some Palestinians also believe today that Egypt can be counted upon to start a new war in the region, when Egypt... [actually] has other worries having to do with overcoming its deep political, economic and social crisis...

"The Palestinians still dream that some Arabs and Iranians will leap to their rescue. They do not understand that the Iranian missiles in their possession are merely a tool – [a means] by which Iran can [demonstrate] that it has the first and last word in Gaza and that it controls key parts of the Hamas movement, as well as some small [Gazan] organizations...

"This is a breakdown of Arab reasoning, which fails to grasp that the war currently raging [in Gaza reflects] Iran's desire to show the Arabs that it can use the Muslim Brotherhood to realize its goals... Can we say to the desperate Palestinian, who praises the missiles being fired from Gaza, that the only consequence of the war is to draw attention away from the crimes being committed by the Syrian regime against its people? Can we say to all concerned that Iran wants to show the world that it has control over Gaza, that it can cause missiles to be fired on Israel whenever it wishes, and that the Muslim Brotherhood is not outside its grasp, [so] it can exploit it whenever it pleases, regardless of the influence the Egyptians and others have in Gaza?..."

Egyptian journalist 'Imad Al-Din Adib wrote an article titled "Look For Iran In All That Happens" in the London-based Saudi daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat. He stated: "Iran plays a devastating role in the Arab arena while exploiting the regional tensions during the Arab Spring revolutions in order to heat up the region and harass Tel Aviv and Washington, which could eventually lead them to agree to negotiate with Iran on Iran's own terms...

The Iranians follow a simple philosophy: 'Start a fire in the region until the world complains about the flames and [world leaders] come to you asking for your intervention. Then you can bargain with them and receive what you want'...

"Iran wants [to bargain for] three main things: recognition of its nuclear capabilities, not its manufacturing of a bomb; the lifting of the trade and economic embargo; and the restoration of its [relations with the world] and admission into the international community on all levels...

"The countries burned by the fire Iran started now see it as the 'Great Satan,' which ignites the fires of tension in the region...

We are [merely] a pawn on the Iranian chessboard, and Iran does not care if the region is set on fire, if its economy is ruined, or if everyone is standing on the brink of a devastating war
 
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