Thursday June 4, 2009, 10:25 pm
"We need to be aware of the creation of a fearful population, and fearful lawmakers, being led to believe that big government is the answer, to bail out the private sector, because then government gets to get in there and control it," she said. "And mark my words, this is going to be next, I fear, bail out next debt-ridden states. Then government gets to get in there and control the people."

"Some in Washington would approach our economic woes in ways that absolutely defy Economics 101, and they fly in the face of principles, providing opportunity for industrious Americans to succeed or to fail on their own accord," she said. "Those principles it makes you wonder what the heck some in Washington are trying to accomplish here."

Though the bulk of her remarks focused on government encroachment into the private sector, and praise for former President Reagan's views on limited government, the former vice presidential candidate briefly touched on national security. She told the crowd that "the terrorists are still dead set against us" and that her son Track is still deployed in Iraq.

"It is war over there, so it will not be war over here," she said. "And it had better still be our mission that we win, they lose."
Apparently she still hasn't learned proper English. The folksy stuff is cute, but makes her sound like an uneducated neanderthal. She's never going to understand that only 20% of the population (i.e., Republicans) find the dumb beauty queen schtick an asset for leading the country (or being a TV commentator).

Thursday June 4, 2009, 10:58 pm
Nicho-Right..stick to the corporatist/libertarian plan. Bankrupt all governments. Eliminate all social programs. Destroy the middle class. Privatize the infrastructure. Eliminate education. Turn the US into a third-world country with a handful of ultra-wealthy lording it over a mass of wage slaves.. That's been the plan all along. And it's working.

Friday June 5, 2009, 12:32 am
The poor Blithering Idiot provides a little comic relief to relieve our economic stress problems. Lord knows, we need something to laugh about (or at).

Friday June 5, 2009, 12:48 am
That is one scary Woman! Thanks Robert and noted!

Friday June 5, 2009, 3:23 am
She just sickens and disgusts me. I can't stand to look at her. When it comes to animals, she is nothing but a heartless b####. The only happy thing I can say about her, is she is not the VP of this country. Thanks Boots.

Friday June 5, 2009, 7:33 am
Sorry Marty on the error. Sometimes my hands, brains, and computer just won't work together.

Friday June 5, 2009, 7:35 am
Elainna, Mary and Joycey can you image her and John McCain filling Obama's shoes. Not that I agree with every thing Obama does, but I will say with what he had to work with he is doing one fantastic job. But Palin, Good Gosh!..she can see Russia from her porch. And can you believe that woman in trying to kill every last wolf on the planet.

Friday June 5, 2009, 7:39 am
As to Father-Time:

She is a "blithering idiot". Republicans seem to attract them like flies on crap.

"Big Government" is just a catch phrase that is wearing out. It is the job of government to regulate the private sector on behalf of the American people as a whole. Without government control then whom controls? Why the rich and powerful of course. Well we can't vote out the rich and powerful so the American people become powerless under their dictates.

Republicans have never "provided opportunities" to the general public that the public cannot afford to pay cash for. There will never be equality under republican government because the larger part of the population cannot afford the education needed to succeed. What a waste of resources that is!

The Sara Palins of the world are clowns covered in media make-up in more ways than just eye shadow. Perfect republican stooges ready to serve the whims of the rich and powerful not the American people.

Friday June 5, 2009, 7:44 am
geesh....why won't she go away?????

Friday June 5, 2009, 7:45 am
To paraphrase her comment" Her principles makes me wonder what the heck some in Washington are trying to accomplish here" and the wolves are still telling their pups that this human is still dead set againest us...only fairness would be that now that she's a grandmother we'd have a reenactment of the old fairy tale of Little Red Riding Hood..and yep Palin is my choice for the granny...seems like justice for all the harm this person has done.Sorry she makes my stomach turn...with all the intelligent woman out there as role models this is what we get offered...

Friday June 5, 2009, 7:59 am
Ego is about attack and defense, projected outwards... We must attack and kill/torture/bomb/maim others, and defend our HUGE ego at all costs...

What is the alternative? Living in Spirit, in love, in the Holy Instant, where there is no blame, no shame, no guilt, no projection.....just light, love, joy, and peace...

In this moment, there is no need to attack or defend. There is no need to project.

Friday June 5, 2009, 7:59 am
Heavens......If only I could think of better
adjectives to describe this (what?)......

Thats it, a What!!

Plant trees for life.......

Friday June 5, 2009, 8:37 am
Palin is the chief cruelty diva. Terrible role model. I agree with BigCatRescue, "Why won't she just go away?".

Friday June 5, 2009, 8:51 am
Maybe this twit, Cheney, Limbaugh, Beck and a few others could start a traveling show - preferably with a circus. At least that would keep them busy and they'd stop showing up everywhere all the time.

Friday June 5, 2009, 8:51 am
It was really foolish of her to do a speech the same day President Obama was giving such a memorable speech in Cairo. The contrast was pretty sad for her.

Guess they had to try and throw something to feel hopeful about to the extreme right constituency. IMHO it was a massive fail. But then i can't figure out how to think like them.

Friday June 5, 2009, 9:34 am
I see that the US like the UK has it's share of blithering idiots I quite enjoyed this blog and still can't stop laughiing.I remember when Harold Wilson was labour Prime Minister of Britain he was well known for his humerous humiliating comments regarding the opposition.He was always spot on and well I remember Dennis Healy a Government minister after he was attacked by a Tory MP replied it was like being savaged by a dead sheep.This remark brought the house down.There is nothing more destroying to a politicians image than ridicule.Good show Robert.

Friday June 5, 2009, 10:38 am
Is there any way you ladies and guys could move to TN. You see TN is a red state and I'm way down here with very few to talk to.. Al Gore's farm is just a few miles up Hwy. 70 and even he didn't carry TN. Good Gosh!!

Friday June 5, 2009, 12:48 pm
Boots...You are not alone!
Signed,
..living in a RED state too, and feeling blue for other reasons besides my thinkin'
Laurie

Friday June 5, 2009, 1:10 pm
If I am understanding this correctly, Ms. Palin feels that 'Big Government" is going to "get in there and control the people." Well please someone tell me when someone, anyone is going to control her?

Friday June 5, 2009, 1:18 pm
Unbelievable that Mccain had agreed to her as a running mate. I had always heard that he was forced to accept her. What kind of a man is he who could not say no to such a ridiculous demand, on the part of party bosses! If McCain were president now, we would just have more of the same as we had for the past 8 years. When will the economically poor of this country wake up to the fact that, in continuing to put in Republicans, they are voting against themselves? The only ones who should vote Republican are the super rich.

Friday June 5, 2009, 2:11 pm
I must admit that when I saw the title, she wasn't the first to come to mind. I expected Cheney, Duh bya, altho he's being quiet, Liz Cheney, Dumbaugh Drug Head, even Steele or the supreme idiot, Bill O'Reilly. But, surprize the northern idiot talking head still speaks with absolute ignorance. Gotta get someone that can at least sound intelligent!

Friday June 5, 2009, 3:40 pm
they created the problem and dumped it on us; so please move over so we can get at the job.

Friday June 5, 2009, 7:34 pm
how do these people get elected??

Friday June 5, 2009, 8:00 pm
They get elected with alot of back slapping,
a college education daddy paid for, a few
catcy tunes playing in the background while
they do a song & dance of persuation.

Oh yes, a full head of hair, a big toothy
smile & a hardy pretentious handshake........

Plant trees for life........

Friday June 5, 2009, 8:56 pm
You know what guys, we have to accept part of the blame. Not enough voters are willing to vote their true conscience or use their God given intelligence to make the correct decision. Instead they vote right.
I believe John McCain had something removed (if you get my drift)during his internment in Viet Nam so, poor man, couldnt stand up to his cronies when they wanted him to accept Ms. Palin as his running mate. I thank God there were enuough voters who did use their correct voting conscience so we are not stuck with the 'blithering idiot' and Mr. No B....." for 4 years.

Friday June 5, 2009, 11:05 pm
And the Wasila village idiot speaks! Since most of us already knew she had "foot in mouth" disease,her latest comments are no surprise. This is just another example of Alaska's governor showing her own feelings of self importance.

Friday June 5, 2009, 11:27 pm
There was a bit of peace and quiet for a while, so I thought maybe they put a muzzle on Palin. If they did muzzle her, she found a way to remove it, and with the removal managed to insert her whole foot into her mouth. How a female with her level of ineptitude has made it this far boggles the mind!

That she made it through college was amazing enough, but that she failed to realize early on that it was fluke, and that she just isn't a smart as she thought she was, still escapes her to this day.

To talk about economics 101 like she had any idea of just what that means is beyond belief. Even her own constituents are begining to she the real Palin, and are not seeing her so favorable any more. Some are outright outraged at her handling of the State of Alaska, and anyone not in her economic league.

Palin is a sorry excuse for a woman, and certainly isn't a model I'd want my granddaughter to look up, although she wouldn't any way, as she hates her for her stand on wolves. He school auditorium talk on the true nature of wolves, and why they really are always killed and how they're killed realled got to her. She and I go to our local Wolf Expo every year together
We've go some really grea tpictures of the white Artic Wolf that is an ambassador wolf at these events.

John McCain was pushed into accepting Palin, because he wasn't considered conservative enough, and he didn't have the guts to refuse her. She more damge to McCain, than almost any other candidate could have.

When you look at the best the Rebubs. have these days it would be a joke if if weren't true. Palin, Cheney, Limbaugh,Rove (who's the really scarry man behind the curtain). Frankly all they have right now all I can see them having is an oddball bunch of screwballs. Some are scarry, some are laughable, and some are downright scary in the hidden power the have behind the scenes.

Upon that note, opinions stated I be you all a fond good night.

In case in all my rambling on I forgot to thank you Boots, for the great article, I humbly do now.
Lyn

Saturday June 6, 2009, 7:19 am
The nightmare of her remotely being VP is what is scary!!! What a dumb a&^! I cannot believe she is even writing a book! LOL! Maybe she is getting her youngest child to write it for her...

Saturday June 6, 2009, 9:38 am
To me Sara Palin is the Queen of death, ever since I saw her setting on that bear skin rug, giving money to people to kill, even babies. She is a heartless person and I hate that she represents the female species. I do not consider her important enough to read anything she writes a waste of a tree. I was sure she would go away after the election, but you know guys, she really believes all those things that was said about her during the dog and pony show. To me she is a serial killer and always will be.

Saturday June 6, 2009, 11:52 am
I expected to see an article and picture of Obama...

Saturday June 6, 2009, 12:32 pm
Edward H? Do you mean that you thought that Obama was a blithering idiot? Everyone has a right to his/her opinion, but Obama is one of the most intelligent people in public life. Thank goodness he is president now, so he can at least attempt to undo the damage that was done to this country, starting with Reagan: the homeless; the destruction of the middle class; the destruction of the trade unions, just because a minority of them is corrupt; the destruction of small businesses, etc., continuing with another blithering idiot who was convinced that 9/11 attacks and Iraq were directly related, as well as weapons of mass destruction in Bagdad. We don't even have proof that Bin Ladin was responsible for 9/11, except that he and Al Qaeda took the credit. Why not take the credit? Tony Blair, Bill Clinton and "Dubya" affirmed Bin Laden's involvement, with their faulty intelligence. Bill Clinton was even out of office at the time. And now, they are still talking about Bin Laden, dead or alive? Who cares? We did not have enough evidence to try the Guantanamo prisoners, so where's the proof on Bin Laden? There are many unknown Middle Eastern terrorists waiting to do us evil. We don't need to worry about naming them, or releasing "dangerous" people from Guantanamo.

Saturday June 6, 2009, 3:40 pm
Ah, well.

Guess my *ilk* and I will just have to continue feeling sorry for your *ilk* and you ... and all your illogical, lopsided notions about a man my *ilk* is MORE than proud to call Our President ... Barack Who's Sane Obama.

Peace! ;)

Saturday June 6, 2009, 4:56 pm
Mary Grace D Saturday June 6, 2009, 3:40 pm

Fair enough...I would have left out the "illogical, lopsided", but I can live with that...

Saturday June 6, 2009, 5:17 pm
Hey deadbrain. I hate to rain on your parade but the "brazilian" joke was originally told in reference to Blubya. Now you can get back to fantasising about a threesome with Sadistic Sarah and Mann Coulter.

Saturday June 6, 2009, 5:41 pm
Rosemary, he might not be able to, you know Ron Reagan said, 'the right wing hate mongers--filled with so much anger and hostility had a problem...I believe he called it erectile dysfunction. Being the son of Reagan, he ought to know.

Saturday June 6, 2009, 11:28 pm
This particular member of the"Ilk" is not as gullible as you think Edward. You have, however, been caught up in the Ann Coulter/Sarah Palin, Carl Rove, etal, mindset, and blindly follow a bunch of scoundrels that now try to put the blame for their failures onto our new President.

Lyn

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:41 am
I have been looking through some of the boards on Care2 particularly this one and I have found them to be both informative and amusing.One thing that comes over very strongly is that the politicians such as Sara Palin,. Dick Cheney and Senator Gingrich would be better to retire gracefuly before someone on Care2 starts a petition to have them certified.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 7:01 am
Now now, Rosemary.

Our *ilk* must remain calm and try to be diplomatic. We must try and emulate Our Fearless Leader, Barack Who's Sane Obama, and learn to DIALOGUE with those who do not agree with us. "Offing" the other *ilk* is not a good solution.

We must try (1) using our most persuasive and logical discourse. (2) Speak to them calmly. (3) Reassure them that we are ALL good Americans and we ALL want wants best for our country.

If that doesn't work ... why then, the h--- with them!

(The missing word above is *heck*. Why, whatever were you thinking? ;)

Sunday June 7, 2009, 11:21 am
Hey ladies...you sure make some H*** of a comments.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 11:49 am
Edward H. For some reason, this e-mail will not let me read your entire last statement. I read it previously, and I am referring to your remarks about Obama, as a candidate for President, not telling people that he planned to increase the deficit to save this country, economically. (Of course, those were not your words, and I do not mean to atrtack or put words in your mouth. I just cannot get the entire quote.) Edward, after Bill Clinton left office, without a deficit, and then your fellow Republican, GWBush built up a deficit, one in which money was NOT directed to be pumped into the economy to stimulate business and employment, but only to go up in smoke in Iraq and make Halliburton richer, did you complain then?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 12:06 pm
This should be really funny: Tina Fey imitating Palin emulating Newt ...


PALIN CAUGHT REPEATEDLY LIFTING QUOTES FROM NEWT


Palin's speech in Anchorage on Wednesday repeatedly lifted from an article
written four years ago by Newt Gingrich and Craig Shirley without attribution.

Keep it up!

Palin/Gingrich in 2012!!!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 1:19 pm
Stuart L Sunday June 7, 2009, 11:49 am

Thank-you for asking... Just as an FYI, Billary Clinton did not leave office without a deficit.

How quickly we forget:

At the end of Bush 41 on Jan 20 1993, the US Federal Debt was $4,188,092,107,183.60
At the end of Clinton's first term on JAN 21,1997, the US Federal Debt was $5,310,267,076,516.85
At the end of Clinton's second term on JAN 19 2001, the US Federal Debt was $5,727,776,738,304.64
At the end of Bush 43's first term on JAN 21, 2005, the US Federal Debt was $7,614,468,360,651.30
At the end of Bush 43's second term on JAN 19 2009, the US Federal Debt was 10,626,877,048,913.08

Clearly the deficit increased during the Clinton years. The way the figures lie and liars figure, (an accounting phrase), is how the numbers are made to look. A lot of charts you will see show some of the Clinton years in the black...but there is a problem...there is borrowing from the public, intergovernmental borrowing, siphoning off of other areas of the budget, such as Social Security, to pay bills, (and SS is earmarked to pay the retirees...it HAS to be paid back), etc.. Maybe money wasn't borrowed from OUTSIDE of the government, but it was borrowed from INSIDE...and it's still debt...it's all gotta be paid back. Then you have the public....wanting tax breaks, and Presidents/Congress give it sometimes, but, the problem is that they don't cut back their spending.

During Bush 43's terms in office, we had 9-11 (2001). We had the war on terror...(we are not debating the whys of entering, but, we had the wars needing to be funded...it is the job of the government to protect the people...but again, we are not debating the war, only examining the reasons for spending...) The government protecting the people is great, but the problem is, the government didn't cut spending in other areas to even slightly offset the additional expense of the war on terror. During 2001 - 2003 we were in a recession and the deficit always increases during a recession. Bush 43 also cut taxes. Jobs were created, people were happy, until the money started getting tight and business's started collapsing due to the lack of oversight, MUCH of which was due to the Democrats insisting on loans for people who couldn't afford them and people taking on those loans without really contemplating the consequences. Some people want to blame government for CEO salaries and bonuses, but the government doesn't belong there. They did their job with the $1,000,000 salary deduction cap. The problem again lies with the people...stock holders should have said no and demanded change with the boards of all of these corporations, but as long as they, (the stock holders), were making money, they were fat and happy...now that AIG, GM, etc., are all falling apart, they want the government to step in where they wanted the government out before. I don't fault any President, including Obama, nor Congress for the the collapse of the businesses, but I do have a problem with the bailouts, including people's mortgages.

Here are just two links with information. There are a lot more out there and many referenced in the first link.

http://www.deficitsdomatter.org/?gclid=CKyAmODx-JoCFQ-5FQodSCKEeA
http://zfacts.com/p/519.html

Sunday June 7, 2009, 1:38 pm
This woman did incalculable damage to McCain's campaign. This woman would have done incalculable damage to any campaign.

President Obama really should erect a statue to Ms. Palin on the White House lawn and bow down to it thrice daily. Because without the votes she undoubtedly lost for McCain, Obama may well have lost at least the popular vote, which was relatively close (52.9% for Obama). And possibly the whole shebang had the electors followed the will of the people in that event.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 1:46 pm
(((Obama is one of the most intelligent people in public life.)))

Right, the guy who thinks the US has 57 states!!! LOL

It is so funny to see you people make fun of her when Obama has made the same kinds of mistakes in his speeches.

You are wating your time Edward. The people who attack Palin have blinders on. She sure as heck scares the hell out of them doesn't she?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 1:48 pm
Lindsey O Sunday June 7, 2009, 1:38 pm

"President Obama really should erect a statue to Ms. Palin on the White House lawn and bow down to it thrice daily."

Will he deny bowing to it too? Clinton: I smoked marijuana but I didn't inhale. Obama, VIDEOS show him bowing, yet he denies it. Bush 43, I have to admit, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED was a bad idea, even if you were pressured into it...it's still no excuse...mission wasn't accomplished...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 1:52 pm
Nancy L Sunday June 7, 2009, 1:46 pm

I'd vote for Sarah Palin over Hillary Clinton ANY day...I wouldn't even let Clinton clean my septic...then again with the cackling screech of her voice, she could probably do it without suction...which is good, 'cause based on Bill, she probably would deny "inhaling"...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 1:54 pm
I don't like Palin OR Obama. Or McCain, for that matter. Just as I didn't like Clinton (either of them), Bush (either of them), or most of the other politicos we have been saddled with.

The past election was deeply disappointing for me as I knew going in that my chosen candidate (Dr. Paul) would never stand a chance of winning. Though I still derived great satisfaction from writing in his name on my ballot.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:12 pm
It is my blithering opinion this blithering
bimbo was chosen so that Obama would win!!

Can you imagine what would have happened
had Obama lost? Why, all hell would have broken
loose in the blithering press & the blithering
streets in near riots by minorities.

All the small brained big shots
would be pounding their gavels &
pounding the pavements in near riotous
blithering screaming of it
was rigged. And, it would have been
as rigged as it was Obama was elected.

Dear me......I think the world is full
of blithering idiots on both side of the
aisle.

Wouldn't it be a fair assessment to
say animals are not nearly as blithering
as some of our own blithering politicians are!

I rest my case......Plant trees for life........

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:17 pm
I second that Lindsey....I can't remember the last time I felt good about a politician. I defend Palin because she has been attacked and vilified solely because she has strong values and lives by them. Is she perfect? NO. Is Obama perfect? Far from it. The thing that really gets me is that most of her critics have not even bothered to find out the truth about who she is or what she stands for. They totally ignore the good things she has accomplished. Look at all the nut cases who still think she believes Africa is a country or that she actually said she could see Russia from her house. And the most ridiculous of all, that her child is not really hers but her daughters. For goodness sakes, she miss spoke when she called Africa a country. So has every public figure out there. So have we all. Where are these people when the supergaftastic Biden makes one of his ridiculous statements?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:25 pm
I agree with you, Nancy, that Palin was unjustifiably criticized for some things.

But the fact is that her education was very poor (what was it, four or five different colleges - mostly low-level - before final graduation with an unimpressive degree), her intellect appeared weak overall, and her knowledge of world/national affairs seemed very, very sparse. Anyone who is running for high national office should already have a strong grasp of national and international affairs - not merely try to learn during a campaign. And I felt that was what happened with her.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:33 pm
Corporatist = libertarian? What planet are you on? Corporatists stand for government/industry to be fused (sound familiar?) and Libertarians a constitutionally limited government...seems a slight difference there.

If any party and it's mindless minions constitute corporatism its the new owners of GM, the Dem party. Under the Dems of Obama, they have acquired banks, the auto industry, the mortgage industry and are working on the medical sector.

But for you progs to talk about Palin and ignore your own less than brilliant statesmen's mutterings is amusing. Anyone remember Murtha's rants on bloodthirsty murdering marines? Of course not. How about Dorgan's equaling US soldiers with Nazis? Naw. And how about Obama's 57 states and America is a Muslim nation...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:42 pm
This is a reply to BM. Most certainly you do not know the meaning of "blithering". You used the word eight times in your message. Most of the time you used it incorrectly because its means "useless". Your attempt at play on words is blithering!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:43 pm
Lindsey, we will just have to agree to disagree about Palin. I have done a lot of research on her and I think she is a very intelligent woman who was put in the national spotlight as a pawn. I think she was over handled by McCain staffers and should have been allowed to speak for herself. What the media has done to her is evil. I think that we as a society are being harmed greatly because good people will not come forth to serve the public because of the hate and evil way that the media treats people they don't agree with. There is very little integrity in journalism today. The main stream media act like paparazzi if you ask me. And we will all suffer for it. As for the issue of her education, I would rather have a candidate with morals that is honest over a highly educated, manipulative liar any day.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:50 pm
Nancy, it's too bad $arah Palin used her own children as pawn$ to $ucker the public ... she's an idiot and not fit to be a mother.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:57 pm
Blue, care to enlighten me as to exactly how she used her children as pawns and show me a little proof as to why she is not fit to be a mother?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:57 pm
Not to mention Obummah's complete lack of leadership skills which is CLEARLY evident in his cabinet picks, condemnation of the American people, bowing to leaders of other countries, taking gifts from Chavez...while snubbing out allies, (Britain), yes, Obama is an otiose idiotl...(didn't want to use blithering)... :)

Blue Bunting Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:50 pm

How dare she be a Mother and run for vice-president. She should have just committed adultery like Clinton and you all would have loved and supported her...defending her every position, (pun intended)...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:00 pm
If some of you people really believe that "Caribou Barbie" has what it takes to be a serious politician it's no wonder you've voted in the succession of corrupt, self -serving, idiotic administrations you have.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:01 pm
Precisely Charles and Edward.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:04 pm
Thank you stuart for your
blithering (useless)
comeback on my useless comments.
I ment for them to be that way
since most of what is written here is
blithering for it can not change
who is now president.

As much as I dislike & trust
even less Michelle at least has
practiced being gracious
enough it almost seems genuine/real.
I doubt bubble brain Palin could
even do that without flirting/winking
at the press corps.

Anyway......Plant trees for life.........

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:08 pm
Nancy, google Palin children pawns and see what you get ...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:19 pm
Funny....I googled children, political pawns and the first article I got was this

http://bolsonon.wordpress.com/2008/07/09/obamas-children-precious-political-pawns/

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:20 pm
Seems you can't follow instructions; typical ... but try googling PALIN first ...;


PALIN CHILDREN PAWNS

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:22 pm
Truth is that children are used as political pawns all the time. In my opinion, it is rarely done on purpose by their parents. As the Obamas found out, it is not a good idea.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:24 pm
Sarah Palin is a blithering idiot, no doubt about it. I am so disgusted that whenever a woman runs for anything, she will evoke memories of Palinidiot, and that is the real shame of the whole debacle. Any woman is smarter than Palinidiot. Even my grandchildren are smarter than that moron. As to all the other stuff commented on this story, I'm staying out of; as I like, campaigned for, and am glad to have Intelligence back in the White House. He has a horrendously huge job to do. The country was left in the worse mess ever by the other idiot, Bush & Gang. Well, couldn't resist commenting a little bit. lol. Everyone has an opinion and are entitled to their own opinion, that is what America is all about.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:25 pm
Poor ol' $arah, can't afford her own $peech writer $o now $he's into plagiari$m ... LOL!


PALIN CAUGHT REPEATEDLY LIFTING QUOTES FROM NEWT

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:37 pm
Not only is Sarah Palin a strong American and a good mother, she is one smart advocate for keeping America "American"! The Loons in the White House are even afraid of her!
Every single person who calls her the ad homenim are afraid of her! Why? Because when the RIGHT sends her the White House in 2012, she is going to clean the White House and reverse everything that the incompetent LOON that is in there now is doing!
This little snippy thread is just more HATE MONGERING from those who are used as manipulation propaganda tools.
Remember folks there is an ongoing investigation into ACORN (even by honest ACORN members) who are suspicious that the OBAMINATION is in the White House via voter fraud. This President is working way too fast and way too hard to poison Democracy and that should be another kind of red flag than the one that is flying over the White House as we speak...
Palin will expose all of that and show those who are being hoodwinked just how corrupt the socialists are and have always been.
PALIN ROCKS...
OMT - me thinks that most of the women who are against Palin are abortion torturers who advocate killing a human baby over a water boarding. And the men who post against her are just jealous that this fine white woman is smarter than they are..
Go Palin!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:40 pm
Well Blue, unlike some I can think for myself. I chose to look at the subject objectively. I did google Palin children pawns after my initial search and nothing I saw proved that Palin is any different from any other politician. Don't bother responding to me if you can not be objective.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:45 pm
Hey Lena I love satire and you're really good at it, you should see if they have an opening on SNL; failing that there's always Faux News. :) Palin is going nowhere near the White House except maybe on tour.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:46 pm
So sorry Nancy ... that you can't see the forest for the trees; so typical of locked-in-step RepublicanI$m ... following in Palin's footsteps? LOL!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:48 pm
PS Robert K
Africa is a continent. South Africa is a country.
I think this is where a lot of folks' confusion arises.

Similarly, 'America' isn't a country. It refers to 2 continents, and multiple countries. Yet, many folk still use it interchangeably with the USA...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:50 pm
Only idiots who can "see Russia" from their house Lena.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:51 pm
Dear John... lol - How's that for satire?
Why can't Palin get near the White House? You gonna personally be there with a burning effigy to keep her out?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:53 pm
Barbara K Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:24 pm

"As to all the other stuff commented on this story, I'm staying out of; as I like, campaigned for, and am glad to have Intelligence back in the White House."

All too often people choose just this response when all they have done is spew forth the same old rhetoric that others have fed them, without having investigated the facts on their own. I hope this isn't the case with you...

BTW Blue Bunting, Google

white house president incompetent

and an article on Obama comes up...

...so what; you can select what you want to come up first by the words you choose and the order you place them...so what is your sharp as a bowling ball point? [To explain it to you, a bowling ball isn't sharp/pointy.]

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:55 pm
I think it's more your side of the political spectrum who are given to burning effigies and crosses. I wouldn't waste my time Palin is no threat to anything except perhaps people taking women seriously.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:59 pm
Dear John... So why are you wasing your time here on this thread if you aren't afraid that we may put Palin in the White House? After all, it is time for an intelligent WHITE WOMAN to have her turn.
Is that what you are afraid of? A woman telling you that you can have life again after the Obamination?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:00 pm
Already calling names, Lena? RepubliCON$ ju$t can't re$i$t any HATE mongering or warmongering ... I'm surprised at you ... well, really NOT!

Good luck staying in your little RepubliCON Box.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:01 pm
So John, to reiterate your post above where you said - Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:55 pm
I think it's more your side of the political spectrum who are given to burning effigies and crosses. I wouldn't waste my time Palin is no threat to anything except perhaps people taking women seriously.

Really means you are a woman hater... especially in the White House?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:03 pm
Palin, BushCon, Cheney...all blithering idiots.

Bush borrowed and spent 5 TRILLION in 8 years with nothing to show for it.?
When bush was sworn in there was a debt of $5.7 trillion, when bush left it was 10.7 trillion. Bush borrowed and wasted 5 trillion in 8 years. That is a record for spending. The war on terror only cost $500 billion.. We have nothing to show for the other $4.5 trillion. No healthcare, no infrastructure. What did bush do with our 4.5 TRILLION dollars? Bush spent more money than any president in history. What a total disaster. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogi...

And the war was unnecessary...all the reasons given to justify the wars hae been exposed as fabrications. Bush told a Houston journalist if elected president, 'I'm going to invade Iraq.' The Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post refused to run the article, whereas if they had it could have changed the election and kept the U.S. out of a ludicrous imperialist war.

And all the while going in unprecedented debt, the most in history, what did the idiot do....he gave a 15% tax cut to the richest people in the U.S., namely the upper 1%. And while Cheney was receiving $1 1/2 million a year from Halliburton while he was V.P., Halliburton was making billions in Iraq from no bid contracts. Any body that just got off a turnip truck knows better than that. LawdAllmarshy

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:03 pm
google Palin children pawns and see what you get ... Oh that is great political debate! How I love the way the loonie left tries to talk politics...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:07 pm
Wow, John...that was a pretty sexist comment. Are any of you ladies going to comment on that?

Blue...I am not a republican...never have been. From here on out don't bother responding to or addressing me. You obviously can not be objective.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:08 pm
Palin will not get into the White House end of story and yes it would be great to see an intelligent woman of any colour in the White House as President however Sarah Palin does not fit the criteria.
I currently live in NZ which for the last 9 years has been led by a very intelligent woman with many women occupying positions such as Attorney-General etc. So I have no fear of being told what to do by women. They did a great job.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:12 pm
Excuse me Blue Bunting... who is calling names?
and what is with this complete meltdown rhetoric you have directed at me?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:00 pm
Already calling names, Lena? RepubliCON$ ju$t can't re$i$t any HATE mongering or warmongering ... I'm surprised at you ... well, really NOT!

Good luck staying in your little RepubliCON Box.

I am in no box you silly woman. I am as free as I wanna be. You are the one who drinks the kool aid that the Obamination feeds you. You are the one is so hateful that you would say things about a womans living children that she did not murder by abortion. You are the one who shows hate because of the support of a thread like this. Re-read your posts above blue sista and tell me that you are not all about hate. Hate is the way of the left. Even when we had our Tax Tea Parties you of the loons tried to crash our peaceful protest with your patented theatrics of hate! Hate is killing innocent babies. Hate is exactly what you have been spewing all over this thread and you talk smack on me? At least I am not afraid to show who I am and state my name. I stand behind my words while you hide behind a bird and a breed.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:16 pm
John R Sunday June 7, 2009, 3:55 pm

"I think it's more your side of the political spectrum who are given to burning effigies and crosses. I wouldn't waste my time Palin is no threat to anything except perhaps people taking women seriously."

Huh? TENS OF THOUSANDS, (perhaps hundreds of thousands), of demonstrably incompetent men have been "in power" and we should continue to take men seriously, but because YOU feel Palin would unfit for a position of power, you feel people will stop taking women seriously? Have you seen a psychiatrist about Mother issues?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:18 pm
(((Sunday June 7, 2009, 2:50 pm Blue Bunting Said
Nancy, it's too bad $arah Palin used her own children as pawn$ to $ucker the public ... she's an idiot and not fit to be a mother.)))

Pot meet kettle.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:19 pm
Nancy L saying that Sarah Palin is a clown is hardly a sexist comment.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:20 pm
The liberal left says what can I do for someone else...you know like 85% of the people here in the U.S. that go to some kind of church hear and preach. Like Christ said, "He who does it to the least of them does it unto me." Whereas the conservative right says, what's in it for me.

Now to separate church and state here, like the right wing don't want to do by putting the 10 commandments in the court houses and the Supreme Court Building...The Ten Commandments says, 'Thy Shall Not Kill.'. So which way is it -- stop the Killings in useless wars and stop the death penalty or keep church and state separate, and the Churches take care of the 87 million people in the U.S. that cannot get adequate health care on account of the right wing. The right wing doesn't mind helping the corporate billionaires but to do anything for the downtrodden we are building a dependency state...a welfare state. But the true is the U.S. gives less to the needy than any other civilized industrial country in the world.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:22 pm
Absolutely Edward, you surely don't think I think most of the men who have been poilticians or CEO's etc.are any more credible than Palin; unfotunately left or right they are self-serving and mostly not too bright and unfortunately in the US they've elevated it to an art form.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:26 pm
Can't you people understand English? I am talking about Edward H. and ranting Lena, who thinks if you put words together, you automatically have ideas. No, Lena. You are far from there. John wrote:
"Palin is no threat to anything except perhaps people taking women seriously." The word "people" is included. He was talking about those people who already don't take women seriously. He was not talking about himself. If you do not believe that some people do not take women seriously, then what planet have you been living on, Lena? You have made it sexist, not John!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:29 pm
No John, but this is.

I wouldn't waste my time Palin is no threat to anything except perhaps people taking women seriously.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:30 pm
It's a comment about Palin not women. If you think I'm sexist then you're sadly mistaken.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:31 pm
All your childish name-calling....typical of you "moral" liberals....You can't carry on a legitimate debate without stooping to this kind of rhetoric. The Lefties must really feel threatened by Palin -- and they should. Any time they are threatened by the truth, they attack the messenger --- much like Rush Limbaugh, Newt Gingrich, Sean Hannity, Greta Van Sustern, etc., etc. This article and the supporting comments are not designed not to enlighten but to deceive and enrage. I am pleased to see that you feel so threatened by Palin.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:35 pm
Fair enough John. I may have missinterpreted your comment. If so I apologise. But I do think you a wrong about Palin. Can we agree to disagree?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:36 pm
So much for the idea of respecting each person and their right to hold an opinion. As a society we have lapsed into to being nothing more then pawns for left/right media circus that dares call itself news. We once could disagree on issues and not resort to these childish games of name calling and mocking of one another, seems that time is over. So while we ignore or mock the opinions of others and allow the talking heads of media to form our opinions for us, we demonstrate just how far we have fallen and how easy it is to distract us from any important and meaningful national debate. If Fox news or MsNBC say it is so then it must be true. Except it is not and to find answers you actually have to dig for information and then be willing to accept that the facts may be in contrast to what you want to believe, or have been manipulated into believing must be true.

The greater problems are not what political party is currently in charge, but rather who is not in charge, who has taken the easy and lazy way out of the responsibility of knowing the facts and fighting to hold the elected to do their job. You and I are meant to be the power of this country, with elected officials who actually are concerned that we do know the who and what of Washington games, instead they are allowed to answer only to the dollars that grease the wheels. And the people? They are busy fighting over issues that are mostly not even real issues, just thrown out there by networks for the sake of ratings.

With each new president no matter the party affiliation, the top fold of newspapers will herald the arrival of the new resident to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, while the bottom fold will cry with dire problems that will ring in the end of life in America. The difference is now some read only the top or only the bottom, either are lost in the euphoria of the moment or are shaking their shakes with anger at the outrage.

I am so disappointed in my country. I am so disappointed in the citizens of my country that have become great at taking distance shots at one another, and so poor at rolling up their sleeves and getting to work on re-building the country. National volunteers were once the pride of our country, now to even discuss the issue is some how linked to fascism.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:37 pm
I guess you cannot read either, Nancy L.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:42 pm
I agree 1000% Kit. It seems no one can be objective on this issue. No debate only personal attacks.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:45 pm
Hey, Nancy. I was being pretty darned objective and gave very pragmatic reasons why I disapproved of Palin!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:47 pm
Robert K. regarding a blithering idiot... I wouldn't know -- but you know what they say don't you "blithering idiot is what blithering idiot knows..." So we will let you be the expert on blithering idiots since you know so much about it. LOL

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:48 pm
Hi Gina! I love this! They are all in a stew over Sarah... and she is not the one in the White House! lol.

She is a total threat to the left especially to the hateful loons...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:49 pm
Lena: We get it!!! You made a play on words using Obama's name: Obamanation. We get it! How many times are you going to use it? Until someone says that it is brilliant? OK, it is brilliant. I am sure you got all A's in English!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:50 pm
What I find funny is how the those who hate Palin so much that they use $$$ where ever po$$ible are supporters of the Obamination! You know, President Obaminataion who has plunged our country so far in debt that our great grandchildren will still be paying for it... That is if we still have a country...
I am really glad that there is going to be a show down against Obama's nonsense with the GM/ Chrysler fiasco... No way should we have a Government Motors... It would just be another way for Obama to sell out MY Country.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:51 pm
Point of information, Newt Gingrich was a member of the House of Representatives and Speaker of the House, not a Senator.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:55 pm
I'm sorry Lindsey, yes you did and I should have pointed that out. I hope you can accept my apology.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:56 pm
Of course! :-)

Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:58 pm
More information on Congressman Gingrich -
Early elections
In 1974 and 1976, Gingrich made two unsuccessful runs for Congress in Georgia's sixth congressional district, which stretched from the southern Atlanta suburbs to the Alabama state line. Gingrich lost both times to incumbent Democrat Jack Flynt. Flynt, a Democrat, had served in Congress since 1955 and never faced a serious challenge prior to Gingrich's two runs against him. Gingrich nearly defeated Flynt in 1974, a year that was otherwise very bad for Republicans due to Watergate. A 1976 rematch was similarly close, despite the presence of Jimmy Carter on the presidential ballot.

Flynt chose not to run for re-election in 1978, and the Democrats fielded state senator Virginia Shapard in his place. Shapard's support of the Equal Rights Amendment backfired against her in the socially conservative district, and Gingrich defeated her by almost 9 points.[19]

Gingrich was reelected six times from this district, facing only one close race. In the House elections of 1990, he defeated Democrat David Worley by 974 votes.
In 1981, Gingrich co-founded the Congressional Military Reform Caucus (MRC) as well as the Congressional Aviation and Space Caucus. In 1983 he founded the Conservative Opportunity Society, a group that included young conservative House Republicans. In 1983, Gingrich demanded the expulsion of fellow representatives Dan Crane and Gerry Studds for their roles in the Congressional Page sex scandal.

In May 1988, Gingrich (along with 77 other House members and Common Cause) brought ethics charges against Democratic Speaker Jim Wright, who was alleged to have used a book deal to circumvent campaign-finance laws and House ethics rules and eventually resigned as a result of the inquiry. Gingrich's success in forcing Wright's resignation was in part responsible for his rising influence in the Republican caucus.[citation needed] In 1989, after House Minority Whip Dick Cheney was appointed Secretary of Defense, Gingrich was elected to succeed him. Gingrich and others in the house, including the newly minted Gang of Seven, railed against what they saw as ethical lapses in the House, an institution that had been under Democratic control for almost 40 years. The House banking scandal and Congressional Post Office Scandal were emblems of the corruption exposed.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:01 pm
Well folks I'll leave you to it. I have work to do. My employer gave me a computer to bring home so I can not only work 45-50hrs per wk in the office but at home also. Wasn't that nice of them?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:01 pm
Hey litle Stuart. I will use the word Obamination as long as I want to! How about that? Whatcha gonna do? I use it all the time and I like the term because it is true.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:06 pm
Hey Nance, enjoy your evening. I'm off to watch a John Wayne Movie...
Hugs.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:08 pm
But Obama said that there were 57 states so who is the dumbest of all?It depends whose side you on.Btw,you got to worry about the person in the W/h in the next four years and stop dealing with hypotheticals.Name calling and silly obsessions would not make things better for all Americans.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:11 pm
What am I going to do, Lena? Feel sorry for you. In the absence of substance, you substitute name-calling. You don't even know how to spell "little". You won't see this because you are getting your intellect stimulated by John Wayne.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:15 pm
Stuart L Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:26 pm

'Tis you, I'm afraid, that does not understand English. You really need to go back and read what I wrote. Also, for you to clarify what John R said does no good....John didn't have that clarification, "talking about those people who already don't take women seriously." in his comment. You are adding meaning to his statement., but again, go back and read what I wrote...I did not say John was talking about himself, but the way he feels others will feel about women makes me wonder if he has "Mother" issues in terms of how he sees women and projects that onto others.

Kit B Sunday June 7, 2009, 4:36 pm

"National volunteers were once the pride of our country"

Which is why some families, at least mine, make volunteering a part of our lives. In general, "giving" [money/items] comes from the emotion, but volunteering comes from the heart.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:16 pm
John Wayne? Another great American conservative who loved America! He made so much money in the U.S. that he took his film company to Mexico to avoid paying U.S. taxes.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:22 pm
Edward H. You wrote "Also, for you to clarify what John R said does no good...."John didn't have that clarification, "talking about those people who already don't take women seriously." in his comment. You are adding meaning to his statement" I didn't clarify anything. I didn't add meaning. John did not need a clarification just because people cannot understand simple English. If you do not know what the word "people" means, communication with you becomes impossible.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:28 pm
I live in Georgia...I was in Gingrich's district (voted for him every time he ran) .... He was great !! Enough so to be re-elected about 10 times. Time magazine selected him as the Person of the Year for his role in leading the Republican Revolution in the House, ending 40 years of Democratic Party majorities in that body.
Lena...I agree wholeheartedly with you. However, it has been my experience that when the Republicans oppose the agenda of the Left they are acting like children, yet when the Democrats oppose the Right they're being responsible and standing up for their beliefs. When conservatives point out issues that they don't like, it is lumped together as name calling and stonewalling, yet when the liberals do it it is called being responsible. It's those ol' double standards of the moral left. Thus far just about everything that BHO has gotten wrong (and there's a lot of things included there) has been blamed on the Republicans....especially Bush....they just can't take responsibility. The good thing is....with all the wahs....we always know who they consider a threat....hmmmm...maybe that's what BHO meant when he spoke of a transparent government.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:29 pm
Stuart Little! Obamanation! It must be wonderful to have such a glib way with words and name-calling! Go back to the movie. That's more your IQ level.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:34 pm
Gina R. Quoting from you "Thus far just about everything that BHO has gotten wrong (and there's a lot of things included there) has been blamed on the Republicans....especially Bush.. " Excuse me, Gina R. Who's been president for the last 8 years?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:36 pm
Why would I have 'mother issues" Edward because I don't think Sarah Palin is the sharpest knife in the drawer. I was raised in a family of very intellectual and affluent people; where the women were people in their own right. I think someone who has made some of the postings you have supporting your philistinic view of society can hardly claim to have much in the way of empathy with such social issues as feminism and wider human rights.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:37 pm
I like Newt too Gina. He is a very intelligent man.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:38 pm
Nancy L...As for the issue of her education, I would rather have a candidate with morals that is honest over a highly educated, manipulative liar any day.

AMEN to that and I agree with you 100%!! Sarah Palin don't take crap from anybody and when she feels she is right about something she don't back down..I admire that in anyone..it just so happens that she knows what she is talking about! She was the only one that I heard coming out against the Obama administration saying the government wanted to take over the states and own the people! She is SO right about that!! All Obama does is talk about himself and could care less about what anyone in this country wants!! It's time to get his A** out !! Amazing how some people will trash on somebody when they don't know or understand a thing about them! Instead of checking into their lives and backgrounds when they feel they are a threat all they can do is condemn!! Well bring it on Sarah!!!!!!!! You go girl!!!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 5:55 pm
Lena, in your usual name-calling mentality, wrote "Stuart Little is just a little troll.". and a troll is successfully lures you into making responses, why respond? The more you respond with your name-calling and empty thoughts, the better Sarah Palin looks. You have proved to me that Sarah is not the chief blithering idiot.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 6:32 pm
LawdAllmarshy and Good Gosh!! What's happened in the last little bit. Well I guess it has been established that Palin's cheese won't spread, BushCon, and Cheney started the war over fabrication. Bush increased the National debt $5 trillion while he was in office, 1/2 the world hate us over the right wing imperialist war mongering, and prosecution for horrendous war crimes is being executed. Now all we have to do is get some of our Civil Liberties back that Bush's Patriot Act took away. Oh Yes and then there's the prosecution of the BushCons torture. We can't send a young hungry child to jail for stealing a pizza, and let the BushCons go free for causing the deaths of over 1.3 million innocent old men women and young children.

Now the next thing to do is cut the Military spending about 40% since the U.S. has the most powerful military in the world and enough nuclear bombs to annihilate the planet many times over. Why then spend over $500 billion a year on military when we have no enemy that is even remotely comparable to the power of The U.S. Empire.

It's time for the oligarchy to change and the government turned back over to the people. To do this the monopolist's conglomerates now in control will be obliged to allow a democratic socialist society controlled by the people in an equitable and honest way. All-Right-Okay

Sunday June 7, 2009, 6:38 pm
Edward H. Because you are my friend, I have gone easy on you. I have spewed nothing, I simply gave an opinion. As to spewing, go back up several comments and read your own spewing comment.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 6:46 pm
And yes, Kit, my dear friend, you are so correct in your observations on this story. The right-wingers are on the attack, and they can't stand it when the lefties fight back. They spend so much time watching their talking head heroes spew the garbage, and the lefties don't respond, because we don't waste our time on their lying mouths. These must be the few pals Palin has. I have never heard any truth escape her mouth.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 6:47 pm
Sarah Palin would surely not be supporting issues that cause these..and these are nothing..Obama sure knows what to do to make a country collapse I can say that for sure!

US Unemployment Rate Gallops Ahead of Expectations
http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-06-07-voa22.cfm

ALL BUSINESS: Bond-market rout lifts mortgage cost
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090606/D98L67500.html

Yeah..this is what we need to do..Obama can't take care of this country but let some Arab nations con him into making war with Israel the same countries that attacked us..great friends and Muslims..yup..good move!! Wonder how all the Jews that voted for Obama feel about that!

Saudi urges Obama to impose Mideast solution - paper
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-40143320090607

This is another thing you can't blame Sarah Palin for but should blame Obama ..but won't..so what's new? And this is just the start of it!?!?

EXCLUSIVE: GE/NBCU TRYING TO STIFLE OTHER MEDIA'S COVERAGE OF COMPANY: Immelt Orders Nielsen Media Iced Over GE-NBCU-Obama Story: NBCU's Zucker Follows Orders And Freezes Out The Hollywood Reporter For Past 6 Weeks

http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/exclusive-genbcu-trying-to-stifle-other-medias-coverage-of-company-immelt-banned-nielsen-media-over-ge-nbcu-obama-story-zucker-followed-orders-nbc-universal-didnt-cooperate-with-the-hollywood/

Sunday June 7, 2009, 6:48 pm
"...this fine white woman..."
"After all, it is time for an intelligent WHITE WOMAN to have her turn."
Glad to see racism is alive and well in the good ole You Ess of Ay.
"...the sanctity of life..."
As far as I know they don't award either Nobel or Pulitzer prizes for hypocrisy.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 7:05 pm
Hey Robert K.
Appears to me that some of the idiots posting here can out-blither $adistic $arah six days a week and twice on Sunday!!!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 7:05 pm
Carol, the country collapsed in 2007 during the mortgage meltdown or were you "out to lunch" when that happened?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 7:06 pm
So, after not reading anything, finally $arah does, and surprise, she "lifts" other people's information. Well, I'll give her credit for reading at least. But the lesson here is that after attending 6 colleges, the first lesson she ought to have learned is that she must not plagiarize or use other people's intellectual property without acknowledging. So, after all of that, it's still a big fat F.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 7:12 pm
For Gina in Georgia:




Facing South: DOJ finds Georgia voter screening inaccurate and discriminatory

Sunday June 7, 2009, 7:32 pm
I wonder who raised this woman,selfish,blood thirsty, absolutely promitive and uncivilized.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 8:06 pm
Blue Bunting...Yes, sadly enough BHO and his groupies don't want people to prove they are residents of Georgia before they are allowed to vote. Well, hey....that would mess up ACORN, wouldn't it?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 8:15 pm
Okay...the usual childish lashing out by the liberal lefties proves to me just how worried they are about Palin being a threat to their icon BHO --- and they should be afraid, very afraid. I am appalled by their antics and lack of integrity in their avid attempts to vilify Governor Palin. All this contempt and vitriol coming from people claiming to be "moral" and "caring" ---- the usual hypocrisy practiced by the "moral liberals". To listen to Governor Palin's critics one might imagine that none of her real accomplishments, nor the honesty and integrity evidenced by Mrs. Palin in office, actually count any more. Sarah Palin has proven her qualifications by actually making decisions that have borne real fruit -- results.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 8:19 pm
Lena, being a good conservative like you are , you are in favor of spending more on the military than all the rest of the world put together. And with less government I guess you would be in favor of privitizing the Postal Dept., Military, School System, Police Dept., Highway Departments, Fire Departments, Libraries, Natioanl Parks, Endangered Breeding Habitats, Killing every last wolf on the planet, continue stripping the oceans clean, blowing off all majestic mountain tops, widen the chasen between the rich and middle class when the rich already have 97% of the wealth, cut out all social programs, and other nice conservative special interests. If so for God's sake call me any thing you want, put please don't call me a conservative or republican.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 8:30 pm
Robert K....being a good liberal like you are, you are in favor of tearing down our military (the military made your freedom possible, remember); putting the government in charge of everything; taxing the people to death; taking the money from people that have worked hard and planned and giving it to people that have never worked a day in their life; give people jobs based on their color, not their ability......I could go on; the list is long, but I'm weary .... as long as you are unwilling to give any honest consideration to opposing viewpoints, then no understanding will ever occur with you.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 8:34 pm
Barbara K Sunday June 7, 2009, 6:38 pm

"Edward H. Because you are my friend, I have gone easy on you. I have spewed nothing, I simply gave an opinion. As to spewing, go back up several comments and read your own spewing comment."

I presented facts and gave links and did not just repeat what others say and back away. Quite honestly, and sadly, there is a lot of bloviating and very little factual presentation being done in the comments on this news item. With all of the personal attacks, I am surprised Care2 hasn't stepped in.

I have to laugh too. Some of the "best things" some people can come up with is Palin saying Africa is a country or Obama saying there are 57 states...we've all had "brain farts"...sometimes we catch them and correct them, other times we are embarrassed to find out later when someone points them out. I don't care about that as a voter. I also don't care if either person is great in geography, or knows every country in every treaty? Who among us was perfect in History and Social Studies? Please. The issues are character, ability, diplomacy, presentation, etc.. The Democrats and Republicans, left-wingers and right-wingers, the VOTERS need to focus on these things and not the petty items the media wants us to focus on. The media isn't on our side, the people's side...if it was, they would ALWAYS ask the tough questions and get to the bottom of every important issue. The media has money...it's a big corporation, just like oil, financial institutions, automobile companies, pharmaceuticals, etc.. They, the media, is one big lobbiest. Stop, watch and think about it. Let's get government, all government, Democrats and Republicans alike, accountable. One way to do this while politicians are in office is line item vetoes. A President can sometimes be "forced" to sign a bill because of the overwhelming pull of an item within the bill. Ditto for members of Congress. Its' all a game of trade offs and pork. I'll vote with you on this if you vote with me on that. It's time, we the people, take our government back. THAT is the issue...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 8:39 pm
To Gina R---You told Robert K: (the military made your freedom possible, remember); What are you saying? Are you saying that if the soldiers were not in Iraq, the Iraqis would be here in the US taking our freedom from us?
The last time US troops preserved our freedom when it was in jeopardy during World War 2. We were never in any danger of losing freedom since then.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 8:57 pm
Bad news lefties Palin is not going away. I am sure she would be pleased to know that so many of you have your 'knickers in a bunch' over her.*LOL*

Go Sarah, give Liberals nightmares!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:09 pm
Noted with disgust,disbelieve,and horror(*SHUDDERS*)Can't believe this madness!!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:10 pm
Well said Edward. Only we the people can be responsible for the governing body of the country. As for the politicians...they have all become less then useless, some where in last 30 years they became "celebrities" and to keep the proper image going they hire the same agencies as the Hollywood crowd, how can that be good for America. Then there is the issue of selling out all of us when they sell themselves to the lobbyists, something they are all guilty of, mayors, governors, Congressmen from both Houses, even some on state and local levels of government. Personally I can't see why any one would defend any of them, but most of this thread is filled with comments that prove just how divided we are -- just the way Washington wants us to be so they can do as they please and we don't pay attention. Want the country back? Then grab a republican/democrat by the hand and fight together against the erosion, stop blaming each other and put the blame exactly where it belongs...in Washington DC.

"United we stand..." you know the rest you learned it in elementary school and it's as true now as then.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:15 pm
I don't have the numbers here in front of me, but I believe the statistics are the U.S. has 737 military bases around the world, 2,500,000 troops, air craft carriers with 5,000 personel aboard...bigger than some smaller countries, and the U.S. Embassy in Bagdad, built by Halliburton or one of it subsidaries no doubt, cost $20 billion dollars. Now from this the U.S.economy thrivies on the military/industrial/complex. That is from the manufacturing of weapons of mass destruction in which to destroy the planet is what is presently keeping the U.S. from going under. War profiteers like Boeing, Lackheed Martin, G.E., Monsanto, General Dynamics, Halliburton, Blackwater, Exxon/Mobil, Big Oil etc. In other words to maintain The U.S. Empire we must stay in a state of perpetual war...until finally we destroy everything our grandchildren will need for survival. Who wants to raise a child to kill another Mother's child. We're all in this boat together and when it sinks we all go down with it. So somebody had best be talking Peace, Love and coming together, instead of blowing each other to smithereans.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:35 pm
Have any of you out there noticed how angry and hostile the Palin worshipers become when they are faced with facts about her? Of course most of the far right has been abgry and hostile since they found out Democracy had made a come back. King George was not replaced by King John and all the conservatives just don't know what to do, so they become angry, hostile, and irrational. Anyone who believes Palin is even marginally intellegent is either not thinking rationally or not very bright himelf.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:37 pm
Stuart L Sunday June 7, 2009, 8:39 pm

"The last time US troops preserved our freedom when it was in jeopardy during World War 2. We were never in any danger of losing freedom since then."

Open mouth, spew forth garbage...how about the Cuban Missile Crisis? Not to mention it doesn't have to be a direct threat on American soil.

Carrie B Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:35 pm

"Have any of you out there noticed how angry and hostile the Palin worshipers become when they are faced with facts about her?"

...and what about you when you say:

"Anyone who believes Palin is even marginally intellegent is either not thinking rationally or not very bright himelf."

I suppose that is a kind, gentle spirit of love and tolerance for people with a different opinion than you?

Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:44 pm
Edward, I'm not angry or hostile, just truthful.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:53 pm
Carrie B Sunday June 7, 2009, 9:44 pm

"Edward, I'm not angry or hostile, just truthful."

Oh, but the Palin worshippers are... LOL...double standard...in the truest sense...

Sunday June 7, 2009, 10:36 pm
Sorry Edward, but I don't have time for people who don't want to think objectively.

Sunday June 7, 2009, 10:49 pm
Edward..Some liberals..a lot of liberals don't feel like they are adding to a discussion unless they belittle someone else or make derogatiry remarks about what someone says...without facts I might add, to "try" an make themselves look better or smarter than.. They just seem to have this thing about facts being said they interpret them as anger...Mmmmm.. Those of us who love Sarah KNOW that in a debate between them and her they would be cowering down like a puppy that just got caught grabbing a cookie of the counter!!

Sunday June 7, 2009, 10:57 pm
Also..for those of you wondering about Obamas faux pau when he said he had campainged in all 57 states there ARE 57 Islamic states...he just got confused what country he was in is all!!

Organization of the Islamic Conference, representing the 57 Islamic states,

He says it right here...
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/2008/05/12/obamas-freudian-slip-there-are-57-islamic-states/

Sunday June 7, 2009, 11:13 pm
Edward..That was people who don't think objectively Democrat..:-)

Monday June 8, 2009, 12:12 am
Lena, Another hate filled conservative with no thoughts of her own. Why so mean spirited and hateful? Because you know you are wrong. I don't know how my comment about the village idiot Palin solicited a question about aborted babies. Is your conscience bothering you?

Monday June 8, 2009, 12:18 am
Who cares who Palin's ancestors were? It certainly didn't help her out much in the brain gene pool.

Monday June 8, 2009, 2:38 am
I am not an expert on contemporary U.S. politics so I don't feel qualified to express an opinion either way on this thread.
What I will say is that President Obama is going to have to produce more than brilliant rhetoric in the coming months if he is to have any credibilty as a world leader. I sincerely hope he does but time will tell.
It's interesting that both sides of the political spectrum are able to express their views in such a frank and lively way, thanks to the freedom we enjoy in Western democracies. This would not be possible in countries such as Saudi Arabia or North Korea.

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:37 am
The staunch Palinites who use animals as their logos here should be ashamed of themselves given that their obnoxious idol has made a life career out of the slaughter and extermination of living creatures.

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:39 am
When personal invective puts in an appearance it is a sure sign that those resorting to it have run out of rational argument.

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:44 am
Oh and for the record as long as the two sneerers-in-chief here continue to utilise cheap jibes and epithets in reference to your president I will continue with my dollar signs, most appropriate for a representative of a political party whose motto appears to be "Profit before life". If you don't like it, well tough titty said the kitty but the milk's still good. Just before $adistic $arah shot it.

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:56 am
"Palin is strongly pro-life"
Must be her evil twin then who makes a career out of taking it at every opportunity.

Monday June 8, 2009, 4:01 am
Carrie B.
I just flagged the abortion jibe directed at you as inappropriate. I daresay it will come to nothing but I had to register a protest on behalf of all decent women.
Live long and prosper.

Monday June 8, 2009, 4:01 am
Carrie B.
Spot on but I would substitute "spite" for "hate".
Keep the faith.

Monday June 8, 2009, 5:07 am
Has it escaped some people that Congress makes the laws, not the President? He only signs into law what Congress has passed. It's hard to get things thru the Senate with the Rs blocking, filibustering, and fighting every piece of legislation that would help the people. The Bush administration made this entire mess, our new President Obama is left to clean up another R mess. A mess that Palin and McCain would have no hope of being able to clean it up, after all they are part of the problem. It should give everyone nightmares to think of Palin in charge of the Country. It is so wonderful now to have Intelligence back in the White House, that has been sorely missing for the Bush longggg years.

Monday June 8, 2009, 5:21 am
Calling all $adistic $arah worshippers.
Get a free education = http://www.dickipedia.org/dick.php?title=Sarah_Palin
And a much-needed life while you are about it.

Monday June 8, 2009, 9:08 am
Has anyone noticed the article by Richard Lardner of the Assoc. Press. Titled - 'Billions wasted in war effort' This is one Christmas gift U.S. taxpayers don't need. Construction of a $30 million dining facility at a U.S. base in Iraq.

In its first report to Congress, the Wartime Contracting Commission presents a bleak assessment of how tens of billions of dollars have been spent, and guess who has benefited the most...Halliburton...Cneney's paymaster.

But altogether the unnecessary prearranged war has cost the U.S. taxpayers approx. $2 trillion. But the worst thing nearly a million and a half people have died. A senseless useless war all for the corporatocracy. They are the ones that are profiting while the rest of us are washed down the toilet...ecosystem and all.

Monday June 8, 2009, 9:19 am
For all you military and economic experts out there pinging on the US defense budget, how many of you know what the largest factor is in that budget? Maybe 1 in 15 of you would understand its personnel, it takes an understanding of the system to know volunteer forces are only as good as they paid/taken care of nowadays.

DOD could use some trimming few would disagree, but strangely no congressman/senator wants it done in their district or from equipment made there. Unless that money of course is transferred to them in another manner.

Robert, please explain to me how Bush's wasting of $5 trillion over 8 years is not as offensive as Obama wasting almost that in less than 6 months? Doesn't scale count for anything anymore?

Monday June 8, 2009, 9:51 am
I agree totally with the comment that DOD spending needs some serious oversight and trimming.

i heard a report that the military was wasting outrageous amounts of money on contractors.One example I heard was a regular hammer,just everyday run of the mill hammer,cost you like 10/10 bucks at Home Depot was costing the American tax payer like 200-300 dollars....YIKES!

So there needs to a serious overhaul of such wasteful spending but in a smart and safe way.Not just cut spending and that is it.Because we could lose the important programs as opposed to them being more fiscally responsible.

As far as what this topic is about.

As a minority,as a woman, as a Feminist,as a Pro-Choice,Pro-Gay Marriage and animal rights activist.

I support Sarah Palin. Even though I do not agree with her on certain issues.I think she is a very intelligent and honest politician and person.
Even though she is on the right,although I think she is dead center on important fiscal issues and policies.She is exactly what Feminist fought to have.A woman who can do it all.

Have the family she wants,stand by her beliefs and convictions as a human being, and work for the people (not lobbyist or special interest) in order to create a better Democracy for us all.

I know I will get ripped a new one for this.And I just seriously do not care.

The things that she has had to endure from a misogynistic woman hater mainstream media is APPALLING!

Whether we agree with her political ideologies or not as women we should stand in solidarity against the blatant hatred for ALL women that she is having to endure.As what was done to Clinton,Rice, Ferrera, and the like in order to further the subversion of all women to a place beneath men.

Monday June 8, 2009, 10:21 am
Charles, what about PNAC and the prearranged unnecessary war with Iraq for starters that will end up, no end in sight along with wounded veterans, costing well over $2 trillion. Remember the airplane loads of money going to Iraq and no one knowing where a big portion or billions of it went. Then Halliburton on a no bid contract (Good Gosh) the more they spend the more they make, along with Blackwater and other war profiteers.
Since this was all uncalled for...whatever is wasted on infrastructure, health care, social security, education, medicare, veterans benefits, National Parks, clean water etc., is at least better. But then too, that needs to be improved. Of course we know to the corporatocracy that is running the whole show, it makes no difference to them for they are going to end up with it one way or the other.

Monday June 8, 2009, 10:41 am
What is PNAC?
Curious.....

Just wondering if I could throw in two cents and not get totally slapped...=)

Although I agree with many that Iraq did nothing to provoke us.I feel it was necessary for us to do something about Saddam.The systematic rape,torture and genocide that Saddam was conducting on his own people and the Kurds was horrific at best.Something good has come from this.They are with hard work and sacrifice heading to Democracy that they have not know in years.So we can not condemn all that has been done there.Although the justifications were wrong the outcome is far greater then human rights advocates could hope for.It is still an ongoing struggle for the LGBT community and Ithink that we are the only ones that can stop the atrocities that are happening to them,as well.

But I totally agree the contracts to Blackwater and Haliburton tarnished the good that we were trying to accomplish there.Both the US reputation,soldiers, and the Iraqi people have suffered it.

Monday June 8, 2009, 12:26 pm
An animal rights activist supporting $adistic $arah! What next, Fred Phelps denouncing homophobia?

Monday June 8, 2009, 12:34 pm
Like I said I do not agree with her on all issues.

And the fact that a women feed into the misogyny that is being played out is slightly more acceptable then any man.

The point is if you disagree with her make a valid point against where she stands,other than stooping to such levels of unnecessary and despicable degrees of hatred.

That is the only way for us to be taken truly seriously for our causes. And not look like utter fascist and bullies.

The same that we so animatedly speak out against.

Even Shelly Mandell of NOW, as an individual,backed Palin.She did not agree with every stance that Palin had.
But she did so based on her conscience, not by political ideology.

Monday June 8, 2009, 1:06 pm
Wait a second....wait a second!

Rosemary...you live in Ireland!

No disrespect but you got no say in what we do here in America unless it affects you nation.
Which it doesn't.

Palin isn't trying to be a politician over there.For God's sake!

Monday June 8, 2009, 2:56 pm
"Wait a second....wait a second!"
OK. I waited two seconds.
"Rosemary...you live in Ireland!"
Gotcha!!!
"No disrespect but you got no say in what we do here in America unless it affects you nation."
Don't want one
"Which it doesn't."
C'rect.
"Palin isn't trying to be a politician over there.For God's sake!"
Palin isn't trying to be a politician _anywhere_ .For God's sake!

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:13 pm
The staunch Palinites who use animals as their logos here should be ashamed of themselves given that their obnoxious idol has made a life career out of the slaughter and extermination of living creatures.

Only someone who don't have a clue about what it takes to make wildlife work would say something as derogatory as what you did! Ignorance is not always bliss!! :-)

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:18 pm
Edward, you just recited why I did not comment on people's comments. I don't know why that bothers you so much, after all it is my right not to comment on their comments. I was trying to avoid the babbling, name-calling, and misinformation out there. You don't need to read into something I did not say. Your rights end where my rights begin.

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:23 pm
You know guys, I was not online over the weekend. I log intoday and what do I find? 297 argumentative comments regarding the "Blithering idiot" in my mailbox. This started over Ms. Palin being stupid. Know I see we have gone in 50 directions at once. The only reason I every started tracking this thread was because I detest what Ms. Palin has been doing to the wolves. Now, look what has happend. Everyone is getting as 'stupid' as Ms. Palin. Bye

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:28 pm
Rosemary.."Palin is strongly pro-life"
Must be her evil twin then who makes a career out of taking it at every opportunity.

You mean like Obama promoting the death of millions of innocent children?? Let's see..wild animals in order to protect their existence and to promote the food chain order OR killing millions of defenseless babies..which one is worse?? Ahhhhh..yes..the killing of animals..talk about a warped mind!!!!!!!

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:34 pm
Robert K..Has anyone noticed the article by Richard Lardner of the Assoc. Press. Titled - 'Billions wasted in war effort' This is one Christmas gift U.S. taxpayers don't need. Construction of a $30 million dining facility at a U.S. base in Iraq.

Yes..that is really outrageous to fund someplace for our troops to eat and possibly use for some kind of other entertainment while they are over there fighting for freedom theirs and yours so you can trash them!! If it was not for them you would not be able to say the words you just spoke! And speaking of improper spending how about the millions and billions of dollars Obama is supporting here and world wide for the murder of innocent lives through abortion?? Oh..that's right..that don't count...DOUBLE standard for liberals that will never change.. and it is MY money too that he is using and I am AGAINST..so where are my rights??

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:49 pm
Claire Cochran..AGAIN..You know NOTHING of the wolf situation here in AK so don't pretend you do...I assume that your support against killing wolves then is also a support for killing people?? Whether they be innocent defenseless babies or adult people living in the BUSH of AK that DEPEND on the caribou herds and the moose that these people depend on to eat?? AGAIN..ignorance is not always bliss!!

Monday June 8, 2009, 3:58 pm
"...talk about a warped mind!!!!!!!
I'll pass if you don't mind. Neither you nor your heroine will ever make my discussion topic list.

Monday June 8, 2009, 4:05 pm
Oh and what I DO know is that wildlife "worked" for millions of years without the assistance of bloodthirsty sadists and their apologists and would continue to do so for millions more if allowed to do so. Now could some kind soul direct me back to Care2, I seem to have accidentally wandered into the Animal Abuse Supporters website.

Monday June 8, 2009, 4:35 pm
i for one hope mr palin sticks around; i hear tell that mr newt is planning a run in '12 also; i can't wait!

Monday June 8, 2009, 4:41 pm
"Claire Cochran..AGAIN..You know NOTHING of the wolf situation here in AK so don't pretend you do...I assume that your support against killing wolves then is also a support for killing people?? Whether they be innocent defenseless babies or adult people living in the BUSH of AK that DEPEND on the caribou herds and the moose that these people depend on to eat?? AGAIN..ignorance is not always bliss!!"

Wassamatta daahling, getting just a teensy bit incoherent then? Indeed one might truthfully say you are.............BLITHERING. Now, to make things easier for Claire I will translate.
"gibber gibber cackle cackle blather blather splutter splutter babble babble waffle waffle froth froth cant cant rant rant blah blah blah blah-di-blah" There now, isn't that much clearer? Adios now, do give my regards to the rest of the coven. Oh and do be careful, I heard somewhere that spittle can damage some monitors.

Monday June 8, 2009, 4:56 pm
"i for one hope mr palin sticks around; i hear tell that mr newt is planning a run in '12 also; i can't wait!"

But would you vote for a man who showed such poor judgment in his choice of a receptacle for passing on his genes? Think of how that would extrapolate into choosing fitting policies for the greatest country on earth!

Monday June 8, 2009, 4:57 pm
Hi Claire.
You are of course quite right and I would like to apologise for my part in this sorry debacle, I can only say in my defence that if there is one thing that makes me see red quicker than this obscene........(almost said bitch but that would be a gratuitous insult to the females of a noble species) it is the support she is getting here from people fully aware of her revolting "pastime".
Have a lovely life.
Rosemary.

Monday June 8, 2009, 5:16 pm
Barbara K Monday June 8, 2009, 3:18 pm

All I was trying to say was that a lot of people on both sides of a debate refuse to comment with facts and proof, and instead just repeat what others have said. No offense was intended...my apologies for coming across in such a way as to offend you.

Monday June 8, 2009, 5:25 pm
Carol Dreeszen's words to Robert K::Construction of a $30 million dining facility at a U.S. base in Iraq. Yes..that is really outrageous to fund someplace for our troops to eat and possibly use for some kind of other entertainment while they are over there fighting for freedom theirs and yours so you can trash them!! If it was not for them you would not be able to say the words you just spoke!
Carol, we would not need it we did not have the troops over there. Why do you make any comment about being against the war to be against the troops? I am against the war, but I am for the troops. I want the troops to come back alive, not maimed for a cause they or nobody can agree on. When they are there, their salary and future benefits should be high and not cut down by every Republican vote, when the Democrats are trying to raise it. But we do not have enough money because so much is going to Halliburton for irems that are defective and services they do not deliver.
You also wrote: fighting for freedom theirs and yours so you can trash them!! If it was not for them you would not be able to say the words you just spoke! Are you serious? Those freedoms were won years ago, not from troops being in Afghanistan and Iraq. Neither the Afghans nor the Iraqis have been trying to take away our freedom of speech. For you to say this proves you were fed the line by Bush and Cheney.

Monday June 8, 2009, 6:32 pm
Just take a little walk down memory lane - a walk that would take reporters all of 5 seconds on Yahoo to find when they report on people like Gingrich who are supposedly outraged about the corruption. Is Newt Gingrich really outraged? Or was Newt Gingrich the very man who actually created this culture of corruption to begin with? Let's take a look:

GINGRICH STARTED THE K STREET PROJECT: "Starting in the mid-1990s, some Republicans, including then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and DeLay, have advocated tracking the political affiliation of lobbyists, as part of an effort to place more conservatives on K Street." [Source: Washington Post, 8/2/02]

GINGRICH RAKED IN CASH FROM THE K STREET PROJECT'S SHAKEDOWN OPERATION: "Their strategy, which Norquist dubbed the 'K Street Project,' was designed to transform Washington's business PACs and lobbies -- and the businesses they represented -- into loyal soldiers in the new Republican revolution. In exchange for legislative favors, Gingrich, DeLay, and other congressional leaders expected that the businesses would provide the funds to keep them in office. Meanwhile, Norquist's group, the Christian Coalition, and other Wednesday groups would be rewarded with generous 'educational' contracts from the Republican campaign committees. In 1996, Norquist's Americans for Tax Reform received a $ 4.6 million windfall from soft money contributions to the Republican National Committee. This new strategy worked admirably during Gingrich's first six months as speaker. While the Republican leadership introduced a spate of controversial bills gutting regulatory agencies, business contributions more than doubled from what they had been during a comparable period in 1993." [Source: American Prospect, 3/13/00]

GINGRICH OVERTLY USES LEGISLATIVE FAVORS TO GET LOBBYIST CONTRIBUTIONS: "The most famous and ominous warning came in 1998 from then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.) and then-Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.). The two leaders held up a vote on intellectual property legislation in protest of the Electronics Industry Association's plan to hire a Democrat to run the group." [Source: Washington Post, 6/26/03]

Ok. So now we know Gingrich was the architect of the regime of corruption that he is now supposedly outraged over. But what about the Abramoff scandal in particular? Did Gingrich have anything to do with helping Abramoff use corruption to ascend to prominence? Or should we believe Gingrich is shocked - just shocked! - that this could have happened? Let's take a look:

ABRAMOFF KNOWN TO BE CLOSEST TO GINGRICH: "Few lobbyists in Washington are closer to House power brokers Newt Gingrich and Tom DeLay than Abramoff." [Source: Washingtonian, 12/98]

ABRAMOFF REGULARLY TOUTED HIS PROXIMITY TO GINGRICH & USED IT TO WIELD POWER: "In these capacities and through his work on political campaigns and grassroots efforts with organizations such as the Republican National Committee, the Christian Coalition, and the National Jewish Coalition, Abramoff developed and maintains strong ties to Speaker Newt Gingrich, Majority Leader Dick Armey, Majority Whip Tom Delay and Republican Policy Committee Chairman Chris Cox and their staffs."

Monday June 8, 2009, 6:41 pm
Maybe someone needs to point out that KBR ALREADY built a new dining hall for our troops, but forgot to turn in all the paper work! So Now someone has decided "What the heck, no one will notice if we just spend another $30 million for the same thing in the same place." Geez!

Monday June 8, 2009, 6:44 pm
Rosemary, Thanks for watching my back, but I've become so used to cheap shots I just try to consider the source.

Monday June 8, 2009, 7:08 pm
"...talk about a warped mind!!!!!!!
I'll pass if you don't mind. Neither you nor your heroine will ever make my discussion topic list

Ohh,,ouch..hurt me..NOT!!

Monday June 8, 2009, 7:12 pm
Oh and what I DO know is that wildlife "worked" for millions of years without the assistance of bloodthirsty sadists and their apologists and would continue to do so for millions more if allowed to do so. Now could some kind soul direct me back to Care2, I seem to have accidentally wandered into the Animal Abuse Supporters website.

Yes..they did and guess what? There were no liberals around to scream save the animals, save the whale, save the sparrows..save the flies..plus the fact that there were not the villages built up that there are now either...they did what they HAD TO DO back then just as we are doing now without your help but seeing as how you have never been to AK and don't know squat about AK you just plain don't know..do you!

Monday June 8, 2009, 7:15 pm
Rosemary..What's the matter? Did I hit a chord that you have nothing sensible to come back with..can't argue a point that you know nothing about can you! Typical liberal! :-)

Monday June 8, 2009, 7:22 pm
Carrie B Monday June 8, 2009, 6:44 pm

"Rosemary, Thanks for watching my back, but I've become so used to cheap shots I just try to consider the source."

...then you really must try a different bar...LOL...only top shelf...

Monday June 8, 2009, 8:00 pm
What it's all about is about a prearranged war prosecuted by the Project for the New American Century (PNAC).

AMERICA’s elder statesman of finance, Alan Greenspan, shook the White House by declaring that the prime motive for the war in Iraq was oil.

In his long-awaited memoir, Greenspan, a Republican whose 18-year tenure as head of the US Federal Reserve who was widely admired, deliverd a stinging critique of President George W Bush’s economic policies.

He went on say the motive for the 2003 Iraq invasion would likely provoke the most controversy saying, “I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil,”

He believed that Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the security of oil supplies in the Middle East, whereas Britain and America insisted on war to overthorw Saddam in order for Big Oil and Capitalist Free Trade to go in and take it for their spoils.

This is turn costs 1,300,00 plus lives and over $2 trillion dollars. Yet the tax payers will pay the bill, while Bush/Exxon/Mobile and Britian will stage the show and reap the profits along with the other war profiteers.

But most here know that Greenspan was with the Federal Reserve, a non governmental institution since 1913 that make money from paper, lend it to the government and make trillions from the tax-payers on interest.

The richest people in the world own the Federal Reserve and are a part of the elite few...namely the U.S.Empire that's taking over the globe, or globalization, forging The New World Government....

Monday June 8, 2009, 8:14 pm
Stewart...I happen to disagree with you on the fact that we should not be there or should not have gone there in the first place and I will not argue with you on it because it is pointless as you will only see your side but..there were weapons of mass destruction found over there and that was why we went in there..

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2006/06/22/report-hundreds-wmds-iraq/

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=15918

http://www.libertyforlife.com/military-war/wmd.html

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/apr2003/wmd-a22.shtml

Those are a few articles that you can check over ..it's not what I said it's what they FOUND! Along with the fact that they had gas masks and suits found all over Iraq when we went in..so what do you suppose they were using those for..maybe a sweat suit? I don't think so!

And you think as long as freedom has been fought for years ago that's it..that's all the fighting we have to do??? You can't be serious! Today freedom is a threat all over the world and ESPECIALLY here in America!!!! You think if we go away and leave them alone they will be good boys and girls and not bother us with attacks and nukes and terrorists and bombs and you name it!?!? Only someone living in a fantasy world would believe this! They HATE us because we have what we have and so many can not see this which is truly pathetic in this country!! Apparently there are a LOT of American's today that have to live another 20 to 30 years of experience to gain some wisdom because what I have seen on this site there is a GREAT lack of it! As far as being against the war and against the Troops..I think the Troops don't quite look at the way you think as being supportive of them when you are against the war. It would be great if no war anywhere in the world would have to be fought!! Unfortunately that is not realistic! There are always going to be tirants that are going to try and spoil the fruits of someone else labors for freedom, mostly because of jealousy of the US and I have seen that a long time a coming! And it's not the Republicans that are trying to cut funding for the troops..it is Obama and his administration!! He has zilch experience in the service and don't know anything about what it takes to run it but yet he thinks he can say this has to be done or that has to be done. Have any of you taken a recent poll of soldiers who really support Obama?? I think you would be astounded!! FREEDOM is not free and there is a price for it and it has to continuosly GUARDED against the tyranny of so many evil people and it does not help when the leader of our country goes around to nations that have been involved in terrorism apologizing for American's!!!!!! Give me a break!! How about asking them why the insist on attacking America?? Now that would be a good start!

Monday June 8, 2009, 8:17 pm
Edward..LOLlllll..good one guy!!

Monday June 8, 2009, 8:30 pm
Slap Shot: Alaska Legislators Set to Override Palin's Veto It will take a 75 percent legislative majority to override Palin's veto -- no small feat in a rightward leaning state. It would appear to be a political slap shot headed straight for the net.

Monday June 8, 2009, 8:43 pm
ALL-RIGHT-OKAY Good deal BB.

Palin, of course, has used Obama's stimulus package as a way of maintaining the semblance of a national profile in opposition to the president on economic issues. That she hasn't the slightest bit of economic savvy was underscored throughout last year's presidential campaign (who can ever forget that infamous interaction with Katie Couric?), and just this week, Palin made some thoroughly inane assertions on economic policy while introducing right-wing radio talk show host Michael Reagan (son of the conservative icon) to a red-meat audience in Anchorage. Her remarks, transcribed quite nearly in full (with hilarious commentary provided.

Monday June 8, 2009, 8:44 pm
Boots ... Ala$ka is fed up with $adi$tic $arah Palin and her trick$ and all the RepubliCON crook$ and liar$ $he $upport$ and emulate$

Monday June 8, 2009, 11:52 pm
Everybody is still picking on St. Sarah Palin who Christain values are beyond reproach.
The morals of the democratic party eroded in the sixties when the Kennedy's, Lyndon Johnson, Martin Luther King and George McGovern gained control of the party. With the so called non-violent civil rights movement, forced busing, forced integration affirmative action, quotas and removal of prayer in schools, Americans began to loose their country. I don't mean to impugn anyone's race, religion or sexual preference. But this coalition of the new democratic party consists of socialists, communists, atheists, child murders, blacks, homosexuals, pedophiles and anti-Americans terrorists. Many southern Patriotic Christian Democrats abandoned this new coalition and joined the republican party.
What astounds me is the fact that 78% of the Jewish community voted for Barack Obama knowing that his closest confidant, Louis Farrakhan, is anti Jewish and has so stated his hatred for Jews in many speeches and from his pulpit.
The democratic party is lost to white patriotic Christians. No decent patriotic Christian with strong moral fibre will ever be nominated for the presidency by the democratic party. The democrats are now the anti-American Liberal Socialist Party, who represent everything that most decent Americans are opposed to.
Look at their leaders, Barney Franks, an admitted homosexual who had an affair with a 15 year old page, and wants legislation allowing same sex marriage and bestiality. Nancy Pig-losi who wants to take money from hard working Americans and give it to illegal immigrants and the dregs of society, minorities, who have never worked and never intend to.

In four years this partnership of Obama, Barney Franks, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi Chuck Schumer and Rahm Emanuel will destroy America for 50 years while they put millions of dollars in their pockets and in the pockets of their wealthy friends. You will see many more white Americans living below the poverty line than blacks.

It's imperative that the republicans put aside their trivial differences and unite their party with the moral majority of patriotic Christians to rid this nation of these madmen who have stolen our country from decent law abiding citizens.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:48 am
8 Jun 2009 // The accusations made news, but with another dismissal of an ethics charge last week against Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the former Republican vice-presidential nominee has quietly been cleared of every ethics complaint filed since the torrent of allegations began in 2008.

Mrs. Palin, who became a target of such complaints after being named Sen. John McCain's running mate, is 14-for-14 in fighting off the complaints. She's been cleared of 13 charges by the independent State Personnel Board and of another complaint by the Federal Election Commission (FEC).

After the latest complaint in Alaska was dismissed last week, Mrs. Palin's team said that having to fend off the pile of accusations was wasting state money.

"This complaint cost the governor personally, and the state of Alaska, thousands of dollars to address," said Thomas Van Flein, the governor's attorney. "It is regrettable that the ethics process has been diverted for partisan purposes by some, but it is also commendable that the board remains focused on the law."

The floodgates opened after Mrs. Palin was tapped by Mr. McCain of Arizona and she was accused of abusing power by firing state Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.

Four complaints related to this matter were filed to the personnel board. One of them was filed by the governor as a means of self-disclosure. In the end, no violation was found.

Even after the election was over, the stream of complaints continued.

Alaska residents challenged Mrs. Palin's trips out of state to attend a campaign event for Sen. Saxby Chambliss, Georgia Republican, and to speak at a pro-life breakfast in Indiana, as well as for conducting television interviews in her state office.

The latest complaint to be decided was filed by Anchorage resident Linda Kellen Biegel, who took issue with Mrs. Palin for wearing to a public function a jacket made by a company that sponsored the governor's husband, Todd, a snow machine racer. Ms. Biegel asked the personnel board to determine whether Mrs. Palin was abusing her position to serve her personal and financial interests.

Mrs. Palin called the complaint "asinine political grandstanding," and the board's independent investigator said there was no evidence of wrongdoing.

"My investigation has uncovered no evidence that the governor or her husband received anything of value in exchange for the governor wearing the Team Arctic jacket when she acted as the official starter of the 2009 Iron Dog," said Thomas Daniel, the investigator. "I also note that most jackets worn by Alaskans have a company name or logo on them."

(Corrected paragraph:) The personnel board is a three-member panel of non-state workers who are appointed by the governor. Mrs. Palin's predecessor appointed each of the three current members, Chairwoman Debra English, Laura Plenert and Alfred Tamagni Sr., although Mrs. Palin reappointed Ms. English for another term in January 2008.

Rules dictate that no more than two of the members can belong to the same political party. Ms. English is a registered Republican; Ms. Plenert and Mr. Tamagni have no declared party affiliation.

The personnel board normally would be expected to meet only two or three times a year, but their workload has increased because of the number of complaints filed.

Mrs. Palin said defending herself against the complaints has cost more than $500,000, and she set up a legal defense fund to cover the costs.

Eagle River resident Kim Chatman challenged that move. "Governor Palin is perched to improperly receive an enormous amount of money for herself and her family and position a pool of pre-paid defense lawyers organized to deflect consequences of wrongdoings," Ms. Chatman said in the filing.

That complaint is still pending, though it's unclear whether other complaints are. The personnel board isn't supposed to talk about complaints until the matter has been resolved.

In the wake of the complaints, the personnel board sought to make the public aware of the cost of investigating the complaints. Mr. Tamagni estimated that the board has spent "close to a third of a million dollars."

One complaint did have some effect.

Like previous Alaska governors, Mrs. Palin took her children on plane trips to events to which her children were not specifically invited. Though the personnel board did not find any violation of ethics rules, the governor volunteered to reimburse those expenses to the state. The bill totaled $20,012.

Ms. Biegel, who blogs about politics from a Democratic perspective under the name Celtic Diva and was selected by the Democratic National Committee to represent Alaska bloggers at the 2008 convention, said the state offers no other options to challenge the actions of elected officials.

"It's the only way we can ask the question basically," Ms. Biegel said.

Ms. Biegel publicized her complaint on her blog with a press release, although parties involved in the filings are not supposed to discuss them with the public.

"I wanted to have a record so people would know there was one out there and it couldn't just disappear," she said.

Kay Brown, communications director for the Alaska Democratic Party, said Ms. Biegel had no formal connection to the party and Alaska Democrats did not have a role in any of the complaints filed against the governor.

She did, however, think there was reason for the complaints and raised the issue of the governor's forthcoming autobiography and travel to out-of-state political events.

"How is this benefiting the people of Alaska in her duties as governor? It seems like there is a disconnect there," Ms. Brown said. "Since Palin has put herself in the national spotlight more questions have been raised about her use of office for personal advancement that weren't there before."

In the federal complaint, the Center for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington asked the FEC to rule on whether Mrs. Palin violated campaign spending laws after the Republican Party bought clothes for her during the presidential campaign.

The FEC ruled in May that a prohibition on candidates using campaign money for personal expenses doesn't apply to parties.


The Media and the Democratic party are like a bunch of vultures on her which only proves they are afraid of her and they should be!! As long as they can waste somebody else money or somebody else STATE'S money they don't care!! All you have to do is look at the head of the country to see that!

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:57 am
The link for the above article: http://www.citizensforethics.org/node/39920

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 2:48 am
"There were no liberals around to scream save the animals, save the whale, save the sparrows..save the flies."
Because there were no greed-fuelled bloodthirsty sadistic Republicants around to destroy everything in the name of profit.
"...they did what they HAD TO DO back then just as we are doing now.."
The difference being that what they HAD TO DO back then is what you LIKE TO DO now. For a tawdry thrill.
"...but seeing as how you have never been to AK..."
And never will be.
"...and don't know squat about AK you just plain don't know..do you!"
I know enough to stay away from anywhere that remains steeped in blood-crazed barbarism.




.plus the fact that there were not the villages built up that there are now either...they did what they HAD TO DO back then just as we are doing now without your help but seeing as how you have never been to AK and don't know squat about AK you just plain don't know..do you!

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 3:02 am
"Rosemary..What's the matter? Did I hit a chord that you have nothing sensible to come back with..."
You couldn't hit a barn door from inside the barn.
"...can't argue a point that you know nothing about can you!"
Not with someone who finds difficulty in distinguishing her arse from her elbow....
"Typical liberal! :-)"
...or who cannot MAKE a point without resorting to trendy political labels. Now I'll let you get back to fantasising about playing Portia to $adistic $arah's Ellen.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 3:07 am
On reflection it was most unfair of me to compare, albeit inadvertantly, the delightful, compassionate and warm-hearted Madam DeGeneres to a cold-blooded unfeeling monster like $adistic $arah. I don't know anything about Portia but suspect I have also greviously wronged her. Apologies ladies.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 3:11 am
"Edward..LOLlllll..good one guy!!"
Why don't you just drop to your knees before him? Then you could both tickle each other's, er, fancies with your inane LOLs.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 3:24 am
Hi Carrie B.
Just thought I'd share one of my husband'd favourite sayings as it is quite relevant here.
"I take insults as compliments from those too stupid to know the difference".

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 5:21 am
If we took the abortion issue out of how we view palin, and took the animal rights issue out of the picture.
Would those that disagree with her still disagree with?
And why or why not?

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 5:46 am
Lady L,
My feelings about Palin have nothing to do with animal rights or abortion. I just don't happen to believe she is qualified to hold public office. I base my feelings on her performance during the presidential campaign.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 5:56 am
Rosemary says - " But would you vote for a man who showed such poor judgment in his choice of a receptacle for passing on his genes? Think of how that would extrapolate into choosing fitting policies for the greatest country on earth!"

Your remarks are deplorable at best.No wonder everybody thinks animal rights activist are nut jobs.It is stuff like this that I get the ditry stank eye when I am trying to talk to people about these issues.

To be a true Animal rights activist is to understand the current balance or unbalance in nature.Weigh with good conscience the consequences and benefits of certain actions in order to help PEOPLE (because people are who you must convince) understand that the balance needs to be restored.

But with that knowledge we must accept the fact that it is no longer hundreds of years ago.The world is different and there for we must act wisely in rebuilding the natural order without further damage to the environment or all of its inhabitants,animal and human a like.

Anything less is fascism.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 6:21 am
Thank Carrie for responding to the comment.

Can I then ask you why do you see the need or condone (I am only assuming that you do because here I have seen it) the rhetoric and pure misogynistic hatred that is flying her way?

It is something I do not understand, coming from intelligent women across the board on the left.
Especially since the left has intertwined itself in Feminism and women's right.

If you would not condone it happening to a woman on the left,then why condone or support such actions against a woman on the right?

Seriously, I really need an intelligent answer to this question.I am 30yrs.But my idea of feminism was always one of solitary among women against misogyny and for women's rights.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 6:23 am
Sorry I can not spell some times=)
"always one of solidarity among women"

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 6:30 am
"Your remarks are deplorable at best."
Oooh. Hurties.
"No wonder everybody thinks animal rights activist are nut jobs."
I'm not an animal rights activist.
"It is stuff like this that I get the ditry stank eye when I am trying to talk to people about these issues."
You sure it isn't that they wonder why you preach animal rights while supporting probably the greatest violator of animal rights on the planet? Your position is akin to condemning homophobia while singing the praises of Fred Phelps.
"To be a true Animal rights activist is to understand the current balance or unbalance in nature.Weigh with good conscience the consequences and benefits of certain actions in order to help PEOPLE (because people are who you must convince) understand that the balance needs to be restored.

But with that knowledge we must accept the fact that it is no longer hundreds of years ago.The world is different and there for we must act wisely in rebuilding the natural order without further damage to the environment or all of its inhabitants,animal and human a like."
How can someone make a sensible, logical and compassionate statement like that and at the same time defend $adistic $arah? If she ever (heaven forbid) gets into a position of power how well do you think the environment and its non-human inhabitants will fare? Are you by any chance schizoprenic? Or twins?
"Anything less is fascism."
I wouldn't recvognise fascism (or any other "ism") if it ran up and bit me. Now, gotta go, duty calls. You intrigue me, when I get home I will mosey on over to your profile, should be worth a look.
Deplorably yours.
Rosemary.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 6:52 am
Lady L, Wow maybe I need an interpreter! I don't hate anyone nor do I believe that many people do. I haven't noticed any misogynistic rhetoric from any of the posts I have read and I have read most of them. I have to say however, that I believe Palin is a MISOLOGIST and does not belong in public office.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 6:56 am
I try very hard to stand center on issues and look at the bigger picture.

My main question to every issue is always "Why"
Why are such things happening?

And although I deplore her actions on the aerial wolf killings.I do not live in Alaska.And there for can not truly freak out if you will about the issue.I have had to read or have heard first hand accounts of the issues here.
Which is that in light of bringing the wolf population back to good standing.Their populations are now overrunning townships,in search of food.This endangers both people and the wolf population.As you might recall the rally cry for the decimation of wolves that pushed them to the brink before.Was that of saftey for people living in the areas,along with fur trade (yuk!).
Because of the wilderness of Alaska.Many people rely on hunting for their food sources. The wolf population,from what I know as of this moment,is in a battle so to speak for the carbouie (is that right?).Which makes it more dangerous for the people of Alaska to hunt.Remember this is a necessity for many people there.Grocery stores are not an option.

These are things that people need to take into consideration.We can not look at just one aspect of the problem and expect to fix it.

And like I said before I do not agree with Sarah Palin on some issues but as a whole I think that she puts the needs of her people before their wants,and acts on her conscience not on one sided political ideology.

And no I have no twin.And no I am not schizophrenic. I do have ADD and chose not to be medicated.So these boards are a bit of therapy for me=)
In the seen that it helps me to attain confidence in be able to convey my ideas and beliefs properly.

But like I said the name calling is unnecessary.With me.As I only ask for people to really reason with me on where they stand.

By the way a good example of my way of thinking would be Gay Marriage.I donot believe in Homosexuality,and as a Christian I believe it to be a sin.But in order to preserve my rights as a citizen then I should stand up for the rights of other citizens in order to preserve theirs. It is not my or anyone else's business what CONSENTING ADULTS do. That help you understand my way of thing.Schizo no! Big picture yes!

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 7:14 am
Carrie no I don not need an interpreter.

I merely asked a question.

The left media factory,Hollywood croonies, and absurd bloggersphere along with comments that I have seen on many message boards that I have been on.Show that men have taken advantage of this situation in order to throw their perverbal weight around and subvert women, once again.And MANY women on the left are all to willing and ready to give them the backing they need.

Your own comments include that of "village idiot" and attacks on her intelligence along with on going attacks on her family form others.Granted this not the worst that I have seen.

So that is why I asked "Why do you not agree with her?" and to put such touchy subjects aside to see what are the other reasons people truly disagree with her.Because those seem to be the only reasons why people do not like her.

It is one thing to disagree with her,it is quite another to feed into the chump filled waters of misogyny that she has seemingly been thrown into.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 7:28 am
Lady L, I will say this one more time. Palin is not an intelligent,thoughful person. The media didn't convince me of that fact. I figured it out all by myself. I was embarassed by her performance in the presidential campaign. I do not believe she is qualified to hold public office. That is not hateful. It is how I and many other people feel based on her actions!

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 7:33 am
Just asking.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 8:23 am
Anybody that professes to be a Christian, you would think would be against killings as preached by Christ at the Sermon on the Mount. Also the The Ten Commandments says, 'Thy Shall Not Kill', then there's, 'Love Thy Enemies', and 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you', 'Avenge Not', and don't get into 'An Eye For An Eye', that was brought forward by the Nicean Creed', which was far removed from the teachings of Christ.

Having killed 1,300,000 over lies as proved by the Dowing Street Memos and Paul O'Neil, one of Bush's Cabinet members and his 18,000 documents that he was personally involved in. It's a known fact the war and these people dying needlessly, old men and women, young children, and innocent people was all uncalled for.

Yet Palin supports this Capitalist endeavor for the war profiteers, namely Big Oil/Bush/Cheney and Halliburton, Blackwater et al. Kill, kill, kill, and then the supporters of this call themselves Christians.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 8:39 am
Boots, I do believe you may be speaking to deaf ears out there, but keep trying. I wish yoou luck!

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 10:27 am
Robert - I am unsure of your comment so I will tread lightly,so as not misunderstand what you are saying.

I am not sure what "Nicean"means.
"Eye for an Eye" is an old testament law.Jesus taught that many of such laws were "Carnal" or of man,not of God. So yes as true Christians should denounce violence in all it's forms."Love thy Enemy' is such.we are to love and respect those that we have disagreements with.And understand that we must find ways to live in Harmony with such people.That in itself is the path of Jesus Christ.To ministry through your life and the word.Not just one or the other.
But Jesus also teaches us.That we must stand up for those whose very right to life is being violated.And to stand up against the atrocities that have manifested through the evils of this world.
Yes,he turned the other cheek,but even Jesus Christ only had two cheeks.The story of his anger at the merchants in the temple.Teaches that sometimes anger is justified in the means of standing for a cause,but must be kept in check.

So therefor Christians should not only condemn violence and evil but take action if the cause is justified.

If you condemn Bush and so forth for their actions of "Capitalist greed" you must then acknowledge the horrific actions of Saddam Hussein rule.You can not rationally justify condemning death under one such group of people and not another.If you stand for life as you so adequately said,then stand for life.
Make sure and tell the whole story not just one side of it.
as in my previous comment,I personally condemn the reasons for going in there.But in many ways it needed to be done.The killing of civilians that you are referring to, is more the fault of the militant then it is US soldiers.They are responsible for deaths,rapes and systemic torture then the US. And it should not go unrecognized.
For what US soldiers are to blame for.Like the rape and murder of the 14 yr child and her family.Those involved should have been left to mercy of the Iraq people and judicial system.The price of that horrific act is for us to bear the guilt.

What people fail to realize,with all the screaming for justice like in places in Darfur and N.Korea and the like.That justice,freedom,and Democracy come at a price.
That is a reality that is easily recognized by looking at the past.The American Revolution,French Revolution (one of the bloodest in history), World War I & II, and so on.

Each side carries their fair share of the blame.Democrats & Republicans,Liberals & Conservatives alike.To blame only one side is to blind to reality.

But that is just how I see it.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 11:15 am
What's with all this "misogynistic" crap? As far as I can see most of $adistic $arah's critics (detractors if you will) are women. Yes, it's spelled W-O-M-E-N. And as for not being in a position to criticise her rampant bloodlust because you do not reside in Alaska (lucky you) that is about as logical as taking the view that only residents of Darfur are in a position to criticise the obscenities perpetrated by the Janjaweed.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 11:42 am
Misogyny is not just an action of a man.And women feed into it as well.
It is misogynistic when women stand by and allow men to comment or advocate as such about a woman or group of women.
If you stand by and allow it to happen then your are the same as them.

The Feminist movement was about solidarity and rights for all women not just the women we agree with.

I thought your weren't an animal rights activist?!

And the point I was trying to make is that there clear factors being ignored in the matter.For the sole purpose of attacking an individual or group of individuals.If we do not pay close attention to those factors we could likely send the wolf back to the brink,where we are trying to save them.We need to work at finding better solutions and not further the strain among those that support the rights of the wolves and those that support the rights of the people.The only way to do that is by reasonable and rational discussions and activistism,as opposed to forcing our ideology upon others.

The situation in Darfur is a far cry from what is happening in Alaska to wolves.
You can not put the two in the same boat and to do as such is frivolous bantering at best.

You could say the same for the horrors of Saddem Hussein regime before the war.But many that scream for action in Darfur fail to acknowledge those atrocities.So if you want to compare the evils of the world that would be more justifiable than comparing what is happening to the wolves.

Only because we can come to reasonable solution without all this ridiculous back and forth,which takes focus away from the cause and lessens the importance of animal rights.

You know I think I am done here.
Hope you all have a blessed day=)

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 11:56 am
Lady Libertarian, you are right Suddam Hussein was a mean dictator. But then too there are mean dictators all over the world...Saudi Arabia for instance and or the human abuse in China and elsewhere. But the U.S. din't invade these other places we invaded Iraq. And as I mentioned above Bush had advised if he should be elected president...he was going to invade Iraq.And this was long before 9/11.

Too, the reason we went into Iraq wasn't on account of Suddam being a mean man, it was over the fabrications of him having Nuclear Weapons and Biological weapons, with mushroom clouds over NYC, preached over and over on every Main Stream Media station you turned on. Either Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi Sleazyrice and even Collin Powell preaching nuclear weapons and biologigal weapons. S.H.been long gone and the U.S. is still over there. So first it was nuclear weapons, then Suddam, now it's for the Iraqi people and bringing them democracy. Well the rate it is going there will be no Iraqis left for freedom and democracy.

And no the U.S. troops have not killed all these people, but if the U.S. hadn't invaded Iraq under false pretenses, all these innocent people would not have died. That is when Bush falsely invaded, he created 10 thousand Osama Bin Ladens. And over this treachery Suddam may have killed 200 thousand, where presently over 1.3 million have painfully died. While the children are drinking out of the sewers.

The Nicene Creed is where Contanstaine the Great in 325 A.D. had Eucebeus take the First Church's roughly 600 books and pick from those the books that would best favor him in taking over both the Church and State. In turn Eucebeus formed the original King James Version of the Bible bringing forth many of the pagan symbols and rituals of which the Romans had been familar for 300 years. It worked and Constaine the Great ended up being over both the Catholic church and the vast Roman Empire. Then when the authorized King James Version was formed it chose from Eusebeus's complilation.

And don't forget Christ came as the Price of Peace, and he said, 'Blessed are the Peacemakers'. How can our Judao/Christian nation seek peace and perpetual war at the same time. As Einstein said, that is impossible.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:05 pm
Has $arah Palin condemned the hatred and violence in RepubliCON/COn$ervative rank and file?

Frank Schaeffer: Pro-Life? Prove it.

Author Frank Schaeffer, former anti-abortion activist, challenges members of the anti-abortion movement to salvage their reputation for caring about life by turning in to the FBI and Justice Department the violent extremists within their ranks.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:12 pm
I totally agree with alot of what you are saying Robert.

Thanks for the history lesson.I really like learning something new everyday.

But we choice to voice our outrage at any such actions by individual,group, or even Government then we are obligated to act as well.When all other means have failed.And in the case of Saddam all other means have failed.
It was based on lies,I totally agree.But i truly feel that a chance at a truly stable and free society out weighs the reasons why we went there.
And until recently I was all for getting us the hell out of there.But I read an article on the absolutely....I do not have the words for it.What is happening to GLBT in Iraq.I honestly believe that we are the only ones that ensure their safety.
I do not like the idea of having to stay there any longer either,my cousin is over there we all want him back.But it is our duty to make sure that we leave Iraq without allowing the continued atrocities happen to those in the GLBT community.

So it is a mixed issue for me.

The idea of millions lost because of us.I have yet to hear about.But I do know that they are continue to find mass graves of Iraqis and Kurds.So 200,000 at the hands of mad man,looks to easily grow to millions of its own accord.

Have a blessed day =)

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:16 pm
Actually blue she has.
And called Tiller's murder a tragedy.Along with many on the Right and many for Pro-Life.
So the answer is Yes.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:20 pm
Link(s)? Or do we just have to take your word for it?

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:29 pm
http://www.sarahpac.com/news/news32.aspx

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/01/sarah-palin-tiller-murder_n_209896.html

I would never ask anyone who does not know me personally to trust me without question as I would not trust anyone either.

But I will assume that the Huffington Post will back me up on this.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:31 pm
Those who are for life are for life.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:36 pm
The silver lining is that suddenly women who have had them are speaking publicly about late-term abortions, and apparently changing a few minds. Although, frankly, I have to
wonder about some of those minds, if they honestly thought that women who had these procedures were doing them because, I dunno, they suddenly decided they didn't want to have a baby after all? We're not
talking about vacuum aspiration, here, we're talking about pretty major surgery - people don't do that sort of thing casually. Why would the forced-pregnancy crowd say otherwise? Because they are liars. You didn't guess that?

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 12:50 pm
Look I am Pro-choice, not because I do not believe in life at conception,but because it is not my business to tell others what is right for them..I have worked at the Medical Center and seen babies born with organs on the outside or no brain.Kept alive for the some Doctor to convince a poor parent to try some experimental surgery or technique to put them in the Medical Journals.So I understand late term abortions if the fetus is not vilable.Palin oppose all abortion in the incest and rape,which I strongly disagree with.
But she does support abortions if the the mother's life is in danger.
But I have personal know women and girls to get abortions because they just did not want to have them.I have an aunt who has had 6 abortions.6! Just cause she did not want to take personal responsibility for her actions.Jez get on birth control or something.Many women do not see abortion as a major operation.And others just don't care.To say that their are not women out there like is ignoring the truth of the issue.

Granted it none of my business personally what someone chose they have to answer to God or to their conscience for their decisions,not me.

But all I keep seeing from fellow Pro-Choicers on this issue is the continued bantering and heckling at the Pro-Life people.
if we are to stop any of this violence against Doctors then we need to reach out to them as they are reaching out to us.
It is not always all or nothing.And that goes for both sides.

I think I will move now.=)

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 2:26 pm
To Lady Libertarian: I have been very impressed with your civil libertarian attitudes. I was most pleased with your saying that, even though you are a Christian and believe that homosexuality is a sin, you still believe in the right of all people to be treated fairly. Those of us who are atheists are not trying to tell religious people how to run their lives. We just do not want religious law to be the basis of civil law. That is what is happening in CA, with passage of Proposition 8, where Roman Catholic and the Mormon churches used monies and the pulpit to influence the vote based on religious reasons. Why should the majority have a say as to taking individual rights away when it does not affect society in general? It is a personal matter, as well as having to do with equality. It does not hurt heterosexual marriage, as much as divorce among heterosexuals does. They have promised God to be together until death..., etc. I do not want The Bible to control my life. As an atheist, I am appalled by the Bible, which stands for killing of people, slavery, subjugation of women, persecution of homosexuals and prostitutes, cruel sacrifice of helpless animals, and all the other horrible things that decent people should be against. The Holy Bible represents all that is bad about humanity. Yet, I do not try to keep you from being a Jew, Muslim, or Christian. That is your right in the USA.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 2:41 pm
I forgot to mention to all of you proponents of our invading Iraq because of the Sadaam Husein tyranny, why did we not leave after his regime was defeated? The answer to that question will show you the true motivations of GWB for invading Iraq in the first place.

Tuesday June 9, 2009, 2:44 pm
Lady Libertarian writes: ".....But all I keep seeing from fellow Pro-Choicers on this issue is the continued bantering and heckling at the Pro-Life people......"

Huh? Are we on the same page? A doctor who performed SURGICAL (late term) abortions was just murdered in his CHURCH ... do you really call that proChoice people heckling ProLife people?

Are you mad?