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No One Suffers More Than Laura & George Bush


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Robert
- 2650 days ago - gsmso.blogspot.com
Laura, seems to have sunk as low as her mother-in-law Barbara Bush when she said - "Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"



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Arielle S. (316)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:02 am
Boy, Robert, you sure know how to find articles that push my buttons .... The Bushes are sitting in OUR White House, not suffering, not making any sacrifices, not even aware of, let alone caring what the rest of America is going through. Grrrr. The only part of this article that made me laugh was somebody calling Barbara Bush a "gargoyle". And that she is.
 

Dusty w. (1339)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:08 am
I quite agree Arielle! It must be nice to make soooooo much money, yet do nothing! I think its a family tradition with them!
 

Erika S. (799)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:19 am
I bet they would care if the Bush girls were over there.
 

Carol Knapp (123)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:21 am
I bet the kid with his legs blown off would disagree.
 

Dawn H. (102)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:21 am
I think it is better if HE DOESN"T DO ANYTHING -- He really messes up when he does anything. I can't wait to get this administrative out of OUR WHITE HOUSE and replace them with someone who is in touch and cares about the real people of the nation rather than just the uppercrust. Perhaps that is just a pipe dream . . . we shall see in 2008.
 

John Jones (143)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:46 am
These people call themselves Christians. Christians my Ass.
 

Mary J. (29)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:54 am
That new earth-like planet that they just found would be a perfect place to send this family. I'm sure tired of looking at their faces and hearing their voices on this one.
Their reality is so warped by privelege and power. Start to support your candidate of choice for '08 now, because the tricks they can buy will all be in our faces right before the election.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:08 am
According to 2005 White House website "Christmas is a time for folly and fun" Nothing about Christ or God George and Laura's god's name is "Jehoboam" they also pray to Moloch The great owl of Babylon found at the Bohemien Grove
 

Bruce Combs (468)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:09 am
Wow! All these right-on comments in such a short time, and everyone of them 100% accurate! But really, folks, it's just another example of the communicability of the dibilitating, brain-eating disease of Cheneyism that finnished gorging on these "People" long ago. and then rapidly moved on.through the Administration -- got Tony Blair when he was here, and numerous other once-reasonable people. So keep busy fighting it! Petitions, talk, etc. Courage, Impeachment (in the safest order), etc., Bruce
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:09 am
Laura Bush was interviewed on the Today Show this morning and said "no one suffers more than she and her husband when it comes to watching what goes on in Iraq". Unfortunately, when I heard about this, my first thought was NOT, they must have gotten it wrong; no one would say something like that. But indeed, the current First Lady of this country has sunk as low as her mother-in-law when Barbara Bush said before the beginning of the war in Iraq: "Why should we hear about body bags and deaths? It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

Let's listen in:


ANN CURRY: Do you know the American people are sufferingÖ watching
[Iraq]?

LAURA BUSH: Oh, I know that very much, and, believe me, no suffers more
than their president and I do when we watch this. And certainly the
commander-in-chief who has asked our military to go into harmís way.

AC: What do you think the American people need to knowÖ

LB: Well, I hope they do know the burden of worry thatís on his
shoulders every single day for our troops. And I think they do. I think if they
donít, theyíre not seeing what the real responsibilities of our president are.

AC: It must be hard for you to watch him in this.

LB: Itís hard. Of course, itís absolutely hard.


What is wrong with these people? How far removed can you be from reality? Oh, I forgot, they live in George's world.

Let's hear Laura say this in her own voice:





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Laura Bush said that no one suffers more than Bush and Laura herself watching what's going on in Iraq.
Neither Laura or George Bush will never, ever know how hard it is to bring your son or daughter home from Iraq in a flag covered casket. They will never know because no one in the Bush family will ever fight in this war, or any war, so her opinion is disingenuous.

It's not so bad that she says what she says; we've come to expect stupidity and insensitivity from the Bush White House. To say that Laura thinks that she and her husband would know how difficult it is to bury your child is even more patronizing to those of us who have had to bury our children who were killed in George Bush's occupation of Iraq. It's worse that she truly believes what she says and that she would find my distress confusing.

Not to be real picky, but I'd like to make one little correction. Laura's husband, the Commander in Chief did not "ask" our sons and daughters to go to Iraq- he "ordered" them to participate in an illegal invasion and occupation of a sovereign country.

I really wish these Bush people would go away for a very long time. This country needs to do some serious healing and it will never happen on these ignorant people's watch.
Labels: Gold Star families, Laura Bush


posted by GSMSO @ 12:25 AM 3 comments links to this post

3 Comments:
At 4:38 PM, Anonymous said...
Gold Star Mom,
I agree totally 100% with you. These people should shut up and go away. What do they know about suffering? Somebody's always been there to bail Georgie out when he ran into a little bit of trouble. He and his gargoyle of a mother have about as much sensitivity as a .... well, I can't think of anything bad enough to compare them to. Suffice to say that they aren't worthy to be in the same room with your son and the rest of the brave young men and women Bush sent to their deaths. I hope you didn't meet with him and have to endure his crocodile tears.


At 7:22 AM, ernieson said...
Lip service. Why have they not been at one of the funerals of the sacrificial troops they put in harms way based on a pack of lies that continually morphed while profits rolled in at astonishing rates? Feigned, insincere,lying crocodile tears is what they shed, deluding only themselves. They have so much blood on their hands (with no conscience), that there is not enough forgiveness in all of time for their actions. If I were them, I would fret judgement day.


At 8:41 AM, Anonymous said...
Its so pathetic of these people to constantly try to portray themselves as victims, and even worse, that their victimhood is on a higher level than the true victims their actions have created. Truly pathological. This is the Hallmark of all these Faux-Christians and wannabe Theocrats. Thank the Real God that the American Public finally saw through their psuedo-religious baloney in the last election. The Sunshine of Truth is bringing them down. I think they are so deluded that even when reality smacks them in the ass, they still don't get it, and probably will never let go of the delusion. Self-Pity is never a good gasrment for the pitiful.


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AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:12 am
What a sick shallow statement...coming from the first lady Queen of bitches...and by those words i am being kind. They are mere shells of humanity. They will get their just reward in the end for their actions.I hope it will be soon.
 

Bruce Combs (468)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:16 am
I want to add to this, and forgot to add it on my earlier comment because of feeling sicker than with bad case of salmonella reading this horrible, inhuman, disgraceful, disgusting. SICKENING, outrageous crap, etc. Truly, how could they really have any children, or relatives at all, even.
 

Delight Woodley (46)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:20 am
This is too unreal!! "Reality can not exist, where plasticminds and hearts persist"(D.W. 1968
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:27 am
Laura Bush on Iraq: 'No one suffers more than their president and I do'
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Laura_Bush_No_one_suffers_more_0425.html
Ron Brynaert
Raw Story
Wednesday, April 25, 2007

According to the first lady, when it comes to Iraq, "No one suffers more than their president and I do."

During an interview on NBC's Today show Wednesday concerning Malaria Awareness Day, Laura Bush talked to Ann Curry about "other challenges her husband is facing."

"You know the American people are suffering watching --," Curry said to the first lady.

"Oh, I know that very much," Laura Bush responded. "And believe me, no one suffers more than their president and I do when we watch this, and certainly the commander in chief, who has asked our military to go into harm's way."

Curry then asked, "What do you think the American public need to know about your husband?"

"Well, I hope they do know the burden, the worry that's on his shoulders every single day for our troops," Bush said. "And I think they do. I mean, I think if they don't, they're not seeing what the real responsibilities of our president are."

The first lady admitted that "it's absolutely hard" to watch her husband "in this."

"I know that what's also hard for you now is watching the real strain that your attorney general is going through," Curry said. "I know that he's a good friend of yours and has been for many years."

Laura Bush said that not only was Gonzales "a very good friend" but that also "been a very good attorney general."


"One other thing that I want to say is that nothing was done that was wrong," Laura Bush added. "Maybe there was -- it was not communicated very well. But actually, what the Justice Department did with the firing of U.S. attorneys is within the purview and the authority of both the Justice Department and the president."

Curry asked, "And if he loses his job as a result of this, if he must resign?"

"Well, I'll be very disappointed and sad," Bush said. "And it'll be a loss for the United States, I think."

A video clip from Laura Bush's NBC interview can be viewed at Americablog.

Full transcript follows:

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MATT LAUER: President Bush has declared today Malaria Awareness Day in the U.S. Malaria affects more than 300 million people every year. The debilitating and often deadly disease hits children in Africa particularly hard. But the world is starting to take notice. The problem was even highlighted on last night's "American Idol." And it's just one of the subjects Ann Curry asked First Lady Laura Bush about at the White House earlier this week.

(Begin videotaped segment.)

MRS. BUSH: That's right. Every 30 seconds a baby dies in Africa with malaria. And really the reason that malaria and the eradication of malaria is so important is because it can be. It's possible.

MS. CURRY: By some estimates, 5,000 children die of malaria every day, most in Africa under the age of five. First Lady Laura Bush says this suffering should and can be stopped.

(To Mrs. Bush.) To Americans sitting at home watching this, many of them women, wondering, "But what can I do?"

MRS. BUSH: Well, there are things we can do, and that's very exciting. There's a website, MalariaNoMore, that people can go to. A child in the United States who can give $10 to buy a bed net can save a child in Africa. And there's something very personal and direct about that for children.

MS. CURRY: Mrs. Bush wrote the forward to a book for children about malaria called "Nets Are Nice."

MRS. BUSH: We were able to eradicate malaria from much of the world, but it is still a very, very serious problem in Africa.

MS. CURRY: In your efforts to raise awareness about Africa, you went to Rwanda in 2005 and you went to the genocide museum. What do you hope your husband will be able to do about the genocide in Darfur?

MRS. BUSH: I know that the president will insist with the president of the Sudan to come to the table, to work. But it's very important that if that doesn't happen, that the U.S. will enforce some sanctions to try to stop the genocide.

MS. CURRY: I also asked Mrs. Bush about other challenges her husband is facing.

(To Mrs. Bush.) You know the American people are suffering watching --

MRS. BUSH: Oh, I know that very much. And believe me, no one suffers more than their president and I do when we watch this, and certainly the commander in chief, who has asked our military to go into harm's way.

MS. CURRY: What do you think the American public need to know about your husband?

MRS. BUSH: Well, I hope they do know the burden, the worry that's on his shoulders every single day for our troops. And I think they do. I mean, I think if they don't, they're not seeing what the real responsibilities of our president are.

MS. CURRY: It must be hard for you to watch him in this.

MRS. BUSH: Well, it's hard. I mean, of course, it's absolutely hard.

MS. CURRY: I know that what's also hard for you now is watching the real strain that your attorney general is going through.

MRS. BUSH: It is.

MS. CURRY: I know that he's a good friend of yours and has been for many years.

MRS. BUSH: He is a very good friend. But besides that, he's been a very good attorney general. One other thing that I want to say is that nothing was done that was wrong. Maybe there was -- it was not communicated very well. But actually, what the Justice Department did with the firing of U.S. attorneys is within the purview and the authority of both the Justice Department and the president.

MS. CURRY: And if he loses his job as a result of this, if he must resign?

MRS. BUSH: Well, I'll be very disappointed and sad. And it'll be a loss for the United States, I think.

 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:34 am
the above post was posted two days ago by someone with apparently a blank profile now
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:37 am
BTW Did anyone bother to watch the video? Notice how she only makes a slight reference to "Our troops" What the fuck?!!! What about the million + Iraq people who have been tortured maimed, murdered and raped because of THEM??!! Will someone please tell me.
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:45 am
Man I'm glad to see that someone sees it kinda like I do. I was begining to think I was going rabid. Many around the area I live think the Bu$hcons walk on water. Oh! he's a godly man. Seems bu$hco & bubba Pat arse Robertson are the only ones with a direct line to God. Man I nearly feel normal after some of these frantastic comments. I've got the tar, someone get the rail and feathers and off we go.
 

Mad Artist Of MUD (435)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:47 am
When a President is NOT listening to HIS people or the ones in congress, he is DOING WHATEVER HE wants to do...I don't call that a Democracy, I call that a Dictatorship.
He has time to DANCE it seems. IN so many ways he has time to DANCE, EH???? ALL OVER US!!!
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:55 am
I watch tis video in horror! This woman actully say this things on TV and no thing happen to her. I think you must ask Iraq people what think of this evil peoples who control their contry.
 

Terrie Williams (761)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:57 am
Well, As if 'LaLa Land' Laura wasn't right up there with good ol' 'Bulldog Babs' Barbara...this solidifies it. When I heard that bullshit line come out of her mouth on TV the other night my blood pressure jumped about 100 points. I cannot stand to hear any of them. The arrogance, the ignorance, the ballsiness of these 'things' (sorry, can't bring myself to call them human beings anymore) having the audacity to spout that no one feels the deaths of our military perssonal MORE..that NO ONE suffer MORE than THEM...give me a friggin break. Tell that to the families who have had to bury their children because of this illegal fiasco. Tell that to the wives who have had to bury their husbands. Tell that to the Iraqi people who have buried their dead. NO ONE?????? Suffer?!!! LaLa Land Laura doesn't even understand the concept--she's never had to suffer for anything or through anything in her friggin life. They are all pathological liars, the whole Bush Crime Family.

PS. My pit bull is a hell of a lot prettier than Buldog Babs any day of the week.
 

Margaret M. (5)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:02 am
Once again Laura Bush has proven that she can read the book but isn't intelligent enough to turn the page. How on earth can that woman compare her suffering to that of a mother, father, sister, brother, wife, husband, friend of someone who has lost their life in this illegal war? What a crock of ****. And to actually suggest that her husband is moved by the suffering. The only thing that moves Bush is his belief that he is the only one who is right; he is the "decider" after all.
 

Dan Moon (2703)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:14 am
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Peace,
Dan
 

. (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:33 am
Why don't we stick it to the soldiers families a little harder cause ya know we are suffering and they aren't. SHAME on you Bushies! You are a disgrace to America! IMPEACH BUSH NOW!
Thanks Boots.
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:37 am
Take him to the ICC criiminal court in the Hague. He and his backers.Do not buy stock in any of these companies. BTW Starbucks supports Israeli terrorism.
 

Jessica La Conte (1)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:40 am
Well, unfortunately this isn't very surprising to me, because I already knew the selfishness and irrational mentality behind this war, and this again proves how selfish the minds involved really are! So terrible...it confirms how much support and love the soldiers and families of those serving in Iraq really do need!
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:40 am
President Bush, First Lady Laura and Dick Cheney were flying on Air Force One. George looked at Laura, chuckled and said, "You know, I could throw a $1,000 bill out of the window right now and make somebody very happy." Laura shrugged her shoulders and replied, "I could throw ten $100 bills out the window and make ten people very happy." Cheney added, "That being the case, I could throw one hundred $10 bills out of the window and make a hundred people very happy" Hearing their exchange, the pilot rolled his eyes and said to his co-pilot "Such big-shots back there. Shit I could throw all of them out of the window and make 56 million people very happy." (JOKE!!) but wouldn't that be nice??/
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:44 am
Jessica I am curious...do you think about how many Iraq people have suffered and died? You only mention the American military (as does Laura) are you aware how many Iraq peple who have the same red blood running thru their veins....same emotions same wants and needs. I am just curious.
 

Vicki C. (361)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:08 pm
War does not promote PEACE, it only promotes more violence! I am sickened with the so called leadership in my own country, The U.S. A. , I would love peace for the world, but it has to start here.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (467)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:09 pm
1] DON'T wait for 2008 and elections -- rigged ones, again, if these SAME people are still in power -- IMPEACH first Cheney, then Bush -- then Nancy Pelosi will become the First Woman President!!!!! These people MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO GET AWAY WITH THEIR CRIMES BY NOT BEING IMPEACHED. IMPEACHMENT is an IMPERATIVE.
2] SUPPORT all Resistance WITHIN the Military, in any form it takes, going AWOL, applying to be a C.O. {Conscientious Objector}, disobeying direct orders, refusing to fight or refusing point-blank to deploy. The consequences of that in a soldiers' life cannot be as bad as BEING KILLED OR MAIMED WITHOUT HONOR IN A DIS-HONORABLE CAUSE.
It is not Bush who will decide when the troops come home; he has ALREADY DECIDED they stay in harm's way as long as he and his pals and cronies have anything to say about it.
THEREFORE, it is ENTIRELY UP TO THE TROOPS THEMSELVES, to set their OWN timetable for going home, one that Bush can't do anything about!
And, WE CAN HELP THE TROOPS RESIST BY SHOWING LOUDLY AND CLEARLY OUR SUPPORT FOR THE TROOPS' RESISTANCE. To obey illegally-given orders IS A WAR CRIME. The entire Invasion and Occupation of Iraq, IS A WAR CRIME in itself.
The ONLY HONORABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR ANY SOLDIER SERVING IN THE U.S. MILITARY, IS TO RESIST WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN THEM.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:26 pm
Beautiful mind? What a croc!!!! She makes me sick!!!!!!
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:29 pm
"To obey illegally-given orders IS A WAR CRIME. The entire Invasion and Occupation of Iraq, IS A WAR CRIME in itself"
 

Lauren Stone (586)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:37 pm
Okay Robert, now you are just 'baiting' me!
"Why should we hear about body bags and deaths?" Because you stupid as*hole, someone's dead husband or daughter or son or Mother is IN that bag!
"no one suffers more than the president and I do when we watch this"...Oh, PLEASE! What a crock of horse shit (no offence to horses). I'm quite sure the Bu$hes have NO trouble at all sleeping at night. The arrogance here is so offensive. I'd bet they watch American Idol or some other such TV crap much more often then they sit and watch news about this war of Mass Distraction.
I DO very much appreciate though Robert, that you linked this story to the blog of a GOLD STAR MOM....for those who don't know, a GOLD STAR shows you are the parent or spouse of someone killed in war.
I am a BLUE STAR MOM, meaning that my son came home alive after service. If you can call the walking dead "alive".
I feel it is very important for military families to speak up and out about the TRUTH of the suffering we go through. It is important for people to hear the stories of Mothers and Fathers, Husbands and Wives of the dead and of those permanently injured.
I grieve for this Mother and an inspired by her anger and courage to speak her own truths.
Blessed Be all that carry the sorrow of a Gold Star.
 

Jennie B. (14)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:45 pm
After reading these comments, I am so relieved, there is hope in this country. For so long, everyone was asleep. I felt like the lone voice in the wilderness that was TX after Geo. Bush claimed it as his own. I can't stand that man because I agree with the German man who said his administration is the worst this country has ever seen. Going into all he and his sickcos including Cheney and his Haliburton, have done to our country and Liberals (anyone left of right) is no longer necessary. I think people know it now. Thank God people are awake to this man and he no longer can take advantage of our post 9/11 PTSD/sombulance and fear-he has played the "security" and "fear" card for so long. I do recognize the Iraqi lives that have been lost - I am sure long past the 650,000 we last heard. You do realize you aren't hearing about Iraqis anymore, or about Afghanistan where the Taliban has retaken the country. The lies and ownership of our media continue although it's hard to believe the media are such pansies to a lame duck so many people are beginning to truly resent, along w/his plastic wife. Little Ms. Cheerleader Laura who stands for nothing coming to TX to do her little good deeds with conferences on reading and books. She has always been this fake, and now her true colors are showing. She stopped growing when she married Geo, the RECOVERED alcoholic. She sold out to money, name (although she will come to regret that) and fame. She and the whole lot of them have no concept of human pain and suffering - never have and never will. This is what too many people voted to put in the White House - disgusting. If anyone saw the 8 DemocratIC Presidential candidates, you saw CHOICES, you saw people who STAND for SOMETHING, and the REPUG machine started in on them right away - what did they choose to comment on? John Edwards" $100 haircut. This is the level of discourse that passes for political discussion these days. Let's not fall for this again - there is NO third party in this country - we will have to go with one of these 8 very good choices. Criticizze them as you will, but be very thankful to have choices, and make your vote count - do not vote by mail- do NOT think the REPUGS won't steal this election, TOO, let's TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY in 2008 and throw the PLASTIC out.
 

Roseann D. (178)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:47 pm
This is Laura's "Let them eat cake"...or with Bush's toxicity plan, that should be revised to let them drink and shower rancid, fecal infested water, and breath toxic air.
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:47 pm
Blessed be any remaining families in Iraq whose loved ones have been murdered by our troops.
 

Yvonne Mendes Siblini (218)
Friday April 27, 2007, 12:59 pm
Anita, I dont think that politicians can manage to feel that.
 

Shane Hennessy (18)
Friday April 27, 2007, 1:19 pm
all suffering is born from judgement... non-judgement is unconditional love, and with it all suffering vanishes and all that is left is experience.....I would not be surprised to find that politicians do suffer the most because they have the most judgemental positions in society, and as a result, the worst karma to work through... the irony however is that they think they are suffering from other people's actions, when it is in fact their own... their suffering is so great that they have not even begun to really feel it...yet...but they will, and it will be the heaviest suffering I think that I could possibly imagine..... I mean consider the guilt of waking up to being George Bush, or in league with him... consider the guilt of realizing what you have done.....
 

Ken G. (49)
Friday April 27, 2007, 1:28 pm
I don't know about the rest of you but I had been paying attention to the control and manipulation of government for a long time. Bush first run in the primaries and used what I call very dysfunctional behaviors from the start. Lying and distracting from issue by making others look wrong with character assassinations were the name of the game. Ya, sure you all can get angry but those that anger you control you. Even impeachment doesn't make sense cause Nancy Pelosi next in line already has brought up that congress gave the president control to do what he wants with Iran without turning to them for approval. So if congress gave permission for this president to do what he wanted without their OK and this president got us into a war that they're wanting to stop, I sort of think the public is just plained screwed.
I got a email today from a group that's trying to stop the war and they want me to send money to help the cause. How dumb can the people in this country really be? I mean I pay taxes for governemnt to represent me and now there's a request for me to pay again for somebody to stand up to those I paid to represent me. Maybe government is just a scam we don't know how to deal with or this is a wake up call for us to be more responsible with the country we live in.
 

AniTa H. (142)
Friday April 27, 2007, 1:47 pm
" Maybe government is just a scam we don't know how to deal with or this is a wake up call for us to be more responsible with the country we live in." Well put!!!...Oh and don't think for one second that Bush and Cronies have one iotita of guilt!! That's a joke ...but they WILL pay ultimately.
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday April 27, 2007, 2:05 pm
There is Hope...but we must go farther than care2. For like of a bettr word let us raise hell. Yell from the roof tops, fill our yards with signs, bumper tickers on our vehicles, Impeach buttons on our lapbels, protests, sit ins, marches, forming small groups and spreading out. As Martin Luther King I believe mentioned, let us rise up and take back our country.
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday April 27, 2007, 2:20 pm
A Facist State...but Laura & George Suffer...BULL......click or may have to copy and paste site.

Naomi Wolf, a fine piece
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

 

Robert K. (437)
Friday April 27, 2007, 2:25 pm
And the Habeas Corpus debacle occured as Laura and Bubba suffered....

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To preserve American values of freedom and fairness, Congress must act
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We've started a unique online campaign to educate and engage
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"Habeas" is an unflagging champion of justice and due
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3. Read the blog: Stay up-to-date on recent developments in our effort
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http://action.aclu.org/site/R?i=6gLtb7-1EpkatRXTyPstKw..

 

Eyes O. (411)
Friday April 27, 2007, 2:27 pm
I'm left speechless because of all the great comments above so instead of copy-catting, I will just say "great job" folks. Hot topic!! I'm glad to see people speaking their minds!! Thanks Robert. Noted
 

Meenakshi Sharma (124)
Friday April 27, 2007, 2:30 pm
Robert at times I really started to think if this is for real! I watched the interview. This man is full of sh.... and as a devoted wife she is standing by her man...who is burying America alive while! his hands are covered with blood of thousands innocent Iraqis and also by giving weapons of mass destruction to Israel to kill innocent civilians in Palestine. How come he is worried about them? Only thing he has on his mind to remain Commander In Chief (as First Lady says it over and over) as long as he can!! He should be impeached along with his all budies including from Isarel. He is getting away from it as some of the people buying the lies he has been telling all along and even now! US needs a kick in the a...! I hate and regret those who voted for him the second term!

Robert come down to DC on June 10 and 11 and you can raise hell there as I am going to be a part of that march on June 10 .
 

Ali Hirst (286)
Friday April 27, 2007, 2:33 pm
I see a lot here on Care2 from Australia. Yes we are involved in the war, but so far we have not lost a troop on active duty. Pte Kovco shot himself "accidently" with his own gun. But this one has bought me to tears. I feel for you all in the US and I feel for the Troops, in Iraq, Afghanistan, and all other war and peacekeeping zones any of our troops are involved in.
BUT this is the one that bought me down. Laura Bu$h has no place in the White House and neither does her SOB husband. Luckily for you guys he is out this election. I truely hope that Howard the Coward that we have here is also out this year. But some people here in Australia never change their political pary no matter how bad it gets. Through the generations this has been happening and it is going to take a lot to get them to change. Like take them off the Electoral Roll once they are no longer able to tell the difference between parties or their leaders. Some would not even know who our leader is, but they know they HAVE to vote for the "party" that their Grandparents voted for and so it goes on. At least with Bush out we will not have the Howard/Bush Government we have now. I only wish we could impeach Howard along with Bush for war crimes as well. But most Australians wouldn't even know the meaning of the word. Only the Governer General here can disband the Parliament and call us to an extra election. And I don't see that happening here fast. I too feel for the Gold and Blue Star Moms over there. Sadly they have no title here in Australia except for War Widow.
 

nurith k. (93)
Friday April 27, 2007, 2:51 pm
there must be some olympic games in being an embarrassment, the family bush has won the golden medal in all exercises, i am sure!!!
 

Ali Hirst (286)
Friday April 27, 2007, 2:56 pm
No they deserve the Gold Medal for Most Dumbest
 

Carol W. (119)
Friday April 27, 2007, 3:34 pm

If this was a newspaper I would have just ruined the pages with my vomit.

We are sooooooo guilty for allowing this to continue pass Cheney distracting NORAD.
And the 3rd tower falling later that day.

We know the towers were staged. We know illegal immigrants will be increased and never stopped. Bill Gates and the like can't talk loud enough about 'unlimited H 1B Visas, calling Americans dumb', and now Bush is so much dumber that he thinks he can bolster Soc. Sec. with open door policy to our south. When he doesn't have a clue how it works, and that they will work the minimum crdt. needed to collect a life time of full benefits.

This Govt, this Corporate mind set, is all about now, today, and grabbing while the grabbing is good, with no thought for the future consequences.

I therorize that Bin Laden is on the Bush Payroll, and will never be looked for. He is playing his zealots, like Bush is playing his evangelist. No one on either side knows they are just a pawn being played out for their devoted false beliefs.


 

Black Cat (103)
Friday April 27, 2007, 3:58 pm
What is wrong with then people.I think they need the Dume Ass medel,~'NO ONE WIN IN A WAR'
 

Jenny Deva (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 4:29 pm
I was watching
"Out of the Ashes", the tale of the tortures the Jews received at Auswitch, Germany. ASs the realities of the film dawned on me....I thought of George Bush...our modern Day "Commander in Chief", still "murdering " in broad daylight"both Iraqis and American Soldiers as well". What has happened to the Righteous and Forthright spirit of the Pilgrim fathers(whoever landed first) who first colonised America. We hear of Philippines having Marcos as a Tyrant and how the people had a coup peacefully and overtourned the powers that be.. I think today if Americans continue to allow this broaddaylight murdering to go on....YOU HAVE A WORSE TYRANT.....HAVE YOU NO SPIRIT OR CONSCIENCE EITHER IN CONGRESS OR THE REST OF YOU PEOPLE?...OR TO START A MILITARY COUP. Smaller nations have had stronger spirits and courage.....AMERICANS HAVE BECOME TOO COMFORTABLE TO WANT TO DO ANYTHING TO MOVE THEMSELVES OUT OF THEIR COMFORT ZONES.This is a very sad state of affairs.....GOD IS REALLY DISHONOURED BY THOSE WHO CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS....who no more stand for what is right????
 

Carol W. (119)
Friday April 27, 2007, 4:35 pm

If Bush and Cheney together are impeached (dreaming out loud or not)
It will be the witch Condom Rice that is next in succession. Unfortunately it would not be Peloski.
 

Carol W. (119)
Friday April 27, 2007, 5:05 pm

Oh no, the person above who mentioned yaye for Peloski first woman President.
I didn't realize:
The Presidential Succession Act of 1947, signed by President Harry Truman, changed the order again to what it is today. The cabinet members are ordered in the line of succession according to the date their offices were established. And that puts Rice at number 4.

 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday April 27, 2007, 5:11 pm
Oh, puh-LEEZE! BLOODY Laura Bu$h, one of the worst liars in the entire world!
 

lovie p. (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 5:26 pm
I will be very glad when Hillery takes over then perhaps we will have TREES instead of BUSHES that are so stupid they are unable to sprout.hhehehehehe....
 

Martin K. (80)
Friday April 27, 2007, 5:39 pm
The crime family Bush,Grandfather Prescot,Bush sided with the Germans along with J.P.Morgan,The Harrimans.,the Rockefellers etc. They fronted the Hamburgh Lines laundering money for the third Reich. Prescot made 1.5 million dollars when the banks sold off the Germans money in South America. A lot of money in those days and he was not put on trial for treason. It was the start of the Bush fortune however.

This country is controled by outside forces, much too lenghty to get into in this space. For those who want the truth please read John Coleman's book " The Committee of 300 " 4th.edition.
" Tavistock " the best kept secret in America, Written by Dr, Byron T. Weeks,MD...July 31,2001

For example,ever wonder who and what is "behind" , lets say,theCIA? Well they don't swear allegiance to America, thats for certain. Try the British Royal Family.
This report is the real stuff..solidly researched and meticulously documented.
 

Sharon D. (91)
Friday April 27, 2007, 6:33 pm
You Go Robert K. I an woth you all the way !!!!
 

Lisa E. (29)
Friday April 27, 2007, 6:44 pm
Hillary supports Israel,which translates into: she supports terrorism of the Palestinians and moslems in general. She will NOT get MY vote.
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday April 27, 2007, 8:43 pm
In the Democrats Presidental Debate last night wasn't it eerie that the man who voted against the war from the very start, who voted against funding it from the start, who's against funding it now, not in favor of redeployment, but is in favor of bringing the troops home now, and impeaching Cheney first, then Bush, is also an avid environmentalist, and for all Americans having affordable hospitalization even with pre-existing conditions, that he DENNIS KUCINICH came in dead last on an AOL poll. Dead last....what in the cat hair are people thinking about?
Supposededly America is a Christian Nation (and I use that term lightly) where the vast majority of the people go to church. Well the Hebrew Bible that Christians go by says, 'Thy shall not kill', 'Blessed are the peacemakers', 'Love Thy Enemy', 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you', and that mankind are stewards of the Earth. Not a single candidate except Kucinich was in favor of impeachment. WHY NOT?? Doesn't something seemed screwed up with this scenario???
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 8:50 pm
CORRECTION: BLUE BUNTING IS THE WORST LIAR IN THE WORLD.

SHE TOOK HER PHOTO OFF TO TRY AND FAKE EVERYBODY OUT.
THANK GOD FOR THAT.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 8:50 pm
Nauseating . The Bush clan is clearly not dealing with reality....and if they were , it would seem that they are indifferent to it . THEY are suffering....? HE is suffering....? No further bloody comment .
 

Carol W. (119)
Friday April 27, 2007, 8:55 pm

I can't forget a clip where Bush at his podium quipped, "The Hell with the Constitution" and laughed.
He was not kidding.

I don't know Robt K.about turning this around. I think out of the 8 Dem. running so far 2 have character and 6 have personal agendas.

Evil seems to be the root of everything. Now I know how the American Indians must have felt when we came in and took away there land, freedom and way of life.
!

 

Carol W. (119)
Friday April 27, 2007, 8:57 pm

http://www.crisispapers.org/Editorials/PNAC-Primer.htm
 

Past Member (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:12 pm
The audacity of these people. The sheer , relentless audacity . Unbelieveable .
 

Elsa ED (231)
Friday April 27, 2007, 9:22 pm
http://documentaries.ws/1/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.300

Oh ya the Bush family is lovely all right they rate right up there with Morons. Seem like a pity party. I have no pity for them what so ever.
 

Danny Wallace (0)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:13 pm
Wow!!!!!! Did Laura ever think of what she says before speaking? Nope, nada, not once has she ever stopped to think of what to say before speaking. Look real close here to what she said:

MRS. BUSH: Oh, I know that very much. And believe me, no one suffers more than their president and I do when we watch this, and certainly the commander in chief, who has asked our military to go into harm's way.

I thought that the President of the United States was the Commander In Chief of our Armed Forces. But she is clearly saying different. I thought it was her husband that decided it was time to send our Armed Forces into Iraq. So if it wasn't him? Then who was the Commander In Chief that sent our Armed Forces into Iraq.

The Bush's feel the pain of the soldiers that we have lost or have been wounded in this hostile take over of a country. Please give me a break. They haven't had to see a loved one come home in a flag draped box and then bury that loved one. Yes, the families of these fine men and women who have died in this conflict are really feeling the pain. Especially the families that was just starting out or who had small kids that don't really understand what's going on. That's really got to be hard on the surviving parent. Having to explain what happened to the other parent and why it happened. Oh yea!!!! Don't forget about paying for that funeral. The families probably have to pay for that since the death benifet's of a soldier isn't that damn much. Even if they had life insurance, I can guarantee you that the red tape they will make the family jump thru just to collect won't be easy on them either. Now to the wound soldiers pains. Not only have they had to suffer the pain of the injury that occured to them. But now it's come to light that alot of them also had to face another pain in poor medical care thru the Veterns Adminstation. Dang, the soldiers that are fighting in Iraq has to worry about two different fronts if you stop and think about it. The first front is right there where they are at. The second front is if I make it back home what's it going to be like. This is what I've seen here and now I'm going back to a place that I call home and is supposed to be safe. But is it?

Any more it isn't getting to be safe even here in the US. Our rights have been taken from us from Supreme Court. Especially since Mr. Bush has been able to put his people in there to rule the arm of Justice that is supposed to uphold our rights. But the Bush Administration isn't about that. The only care about themselves. I mean like here in the past couple of years when it's been brought up to raise the minium wage rate, it never got done but the Legislators made sure they increased their pay. Oh yea!!!! If they did get to where it passed it wouldn't go far enough because it wasn't helping out the Bush Clan. So really who are they working for. Not us, the people that put them in office. They work for theirselves and no one but themselves.

So impeachment. Can we impeach every single one of them. That is good wishful thinking but it won't happen.
 

Jeanie Williams-West (200)
Friday April 27, 2007, 10:16 pm
I wonder what her line would be if Jenna and Barbara were over there. I bet she would really feel pain then. I feel pain and my son has not even been sent yet.
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:05 pm
Washington's Wars and Occupations:
Month in Review #24
April 27, 2007
By Max Elbaum, War Times/Tiempo de Guerras

IRAQ WAR IS LOST, BUT THE KILLING GOES ON

Add Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to the growing list of Washington heavyweights who have gone on record saying "the Iraq war is lost." Reid has caught up with the majority of U.S. people, who according to the latest poll foresee a U.S. defeat in Iraq. Two-thirds say the war was not worth fighting.

But Bush says U.S. troops will never leave while he is Commander-in-Chief. He rejected the Baker-Hamilton Report's formula for a lower-profile occupation and a new diplomatic strategy. Now he refuses to make the slightest concession to Democratic Party-crafted legislation that places restrictions on his actions but would leave loopholes for continuing an "occupation lite."

Bush's my-way-or-no-way stance keeps polarizing public opinion and is forcing confrontation on even reluctant Democrats. His promised veto of the start-withdrawing legislation just passed by Congress will only intensify the pro- vs. antiwar conflict; for information on the upcoming nationwide post-veto protests, go to http://www.unitedforpeace.org

 

Juliana Farah (187)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:18 pm
Really Robert, I admire always the topics that you write.
I think if she & her husband are suffering that much, why the hell don't they just get your troops back from there????
Really as pathetic as she is, I can assure her that her story didn't bring any tears into my eyes even if the ambiance wanted it to make the interview touching...
I pray for those who are dead and for those who are still there.
God be with them.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:20 pm
Senate Dems Slap Down Broder for Harry Reid Smear
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:45 pm
BB...All-Right-Okay......I'm glad Libermann got up off his stump and did something notable for a change. And like you say hopefully the Dems have seen they had better be getting some spine.
 

Robert K. (437)
Friday April 27, 2007, 11:46 pm
Impeachment Summer Begins Today!

http://www.a28.org

Congress has "investigated" and "overseen" and "held accountable" the unitary executive branch of our government for four months. Officials who have testified have been unable to "recall" their crimes and have refused to produce subpoenaed documents. Now Condoleezza Rice says she's "not inclined" to obey a subpoena requiring her to appear and answer questions about forged documents that were used to mislead our nation into war.

Congress has no power to compel her to testify. Neither do our courts. Law enforcement power belongs to the unitary executive. But executives who fail to faithfully execute the laws of this land can be removed from office. That power rests solely with Congress. It is the only tool remaining to preserve our democracy. It is called impeachment.

Today, Saturday, April 28th, we launch Impeachment Summer with events in 43 states, and several foreign countries, with a fleet of seven airplanes, and with the support of millions of Americans. Find the nearest event and bring your friends:

http://www.a28.org

Please bring a stack of impeachment petitions, some pens, and some clipboards. Collect people's names and contact info on the petitions. Then use that list to organize future activist efforts locally, and also add the names to the national list. You can get the petitions and everything you need at:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/petition

____________________

Video: Impeachment Was Put on Table April 25th



A Congressman and a coalition spoke for Impeachment on April 25th at the U.S. Capitol. Watch Kucinich and the prominent Americans who are advocating impeachment:
http://chun.afterdowningstreet.org/video/april25.wmv

Video by Barry Student

Learn more at these sites:
http://www.impeach07.org

http://www.impeachcheney.org

____________________

Veto Bush: Impeach Him

If, as expected next week, Bush vetoes the war supplemental bill because it does not encourage eternal war, the majority of Americans who want the war to end someday will organize rallies in protest of the president's action. United for Peace and Justice is posting information on planned events here:
http://tinyurl.com/26xyob

We encourage everyone to take part and to bring posters with the message "Veto Bush: Impeach Him." We do not need Congress wasting more time with another war funding bill to replace this one. Bush has the money to bring the troops home. Congress has a duty to begin the job of impeachment.

____________________

Iraq Action Camp

As the Iraq War rages into its fifth year, more than 3,300 American soldiers are dead and more than 24,000 are wounded. While the American public overwhelmingly supports bringing the troops home, many in Congress refuse to hear this message. In response, Campus Progress and MoveOn.org are sponsoring Iraq Action Camp, an opportunity for students from across the country to travel to Washington DC, discuss the issues with activists and experts, learn valuable organizing skills, and work to bring the troops home.

Do you want to tell your Congressperson face to face that it's time to end the war? Do you want to prepare for the most exciting semester of action your campus has ever seen? Do you want to meet students from all across the country who are working to end the war? At Iraq Action Camp, you can.

Join us this summer for an intense week of training, campfires, lobbying, s'mores, and connections in Washington DC from either May 20th-24th or June 10th-14th. Get trained by experienced organizers from MoveOn, Democracy Matters, United States Student Association, Campus Progress, and elsewhere. Learn what a strategic campaign looks like and how to work with the media to get your message out, then qualify for grant money to turn your vision into reality. There are a limited number of spots, and they're going fast, so apply today at http://www.iraqactioncamp.org

 

Robert K. (437)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 12:06 am
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003678547_impeach24.html

Kucinich Seeks to Impeach Cheney visit site

http://kucinich.us/















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MEL ISSA (3)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 12:16 am
The Beatles said it best!

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
Ah

ah, ah, ah, ah, ah...

You say you'll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You better free you mind instead
But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
all right, all right
all right, all right, all right
all right, all right, all right

Viva La Revolution!
Fire the whole freakin' government and let's get REAL leadership! Not corporate PIGS!
 

Kerry S. (0)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 12:37 am
I'd like to know how one can be "Pro Life" yet feel it is absolutely OK to kill over 650,000 people, plus 3,300 of our own soldiers. I'd like to know why Ann Curry asked such inane questions! Talk about pandering....NBC and the TODAY show as well as Ms. Curry are just as culpable as far as I'm concerned.
Yes I agree w/ impeachment and congress needs to be fired all of them, since when do EMPLOYEES vote themselves as friggin raise!
And where's Dr. Phill when ya need 'im, ever think about the shows he does about the parents that give their kids the credit cards to fun up and then piss and moan about how much they've run up the bill, yet continue to let them use the friggin card....well congress is much like those parents, and of course george in very much an adolescent with the credit card- enough is enough, apparently I've had it all wrong WE are the parents who have given the adolescents (congress) the credit card and thev'ye not just given their lunch money over to the school bull(ies) but also the credit cards. I can hear Dr. Phil now saying "How's that working for ya?"
Apparently not very well huh? So to those of you who are parents- how do you handle a child like Congress & George?
 

Robert K. (437)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 12:37 am
Bush Administration Will Not Assess Surge Results Until September --White House Scales Back Talk of Iraq Progress 28 Apr 2007 The Bush administration will not try to assess whether the troop increase in Iraq is producing signs of political progress or greater security until September, and many of Mr. Bush's top advisers now anticipate that any gains by then will be limited, according to senior administration officials. The timelines they are now discussing suggest that the White House may maintain the increased numbers of American troops in Iraq well into next year.
 

Liz sands (76)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 1:21 am
noted thanks
 

Charles Q. (20)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 7:06 am
A friend of mine characterized Bush Jr. and freakin' wife as "flotsam and jetsam."

AniTa: great belly laugh joke; IIRLMAO on that one :D

I've noticed whenever Laura B. is inteviewed she sounds remarkably like one of the Steppford Wives or the Scarecrow sans a brain.

When one considers that at 17 she was DUI, went thru a redlght killing another teenager and then hte Bush family bailed her out of what could have been prison time it shouldn't come as a surprise that she would reply with inanities.
Remember too that her a**hole of a jingoist husband is a non-recovering alcoholic who's ruthlessly intoxicated with arrogance and blinkered by ideology who is incapable of acknowledging the reality of his Iraq/Afghanistan debacle.
 

Charles Q. (20)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 7:20 am
Robert: Ditto bro!
If not tar and feathers then we could apply my genuine american hemp rope for a "swinging" party for the Bushjunta gangsters.
 

Robert K. (437)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 8:31 am
If anyone missed the Bill Moyers special "Buying the War," they can still watch it at

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html



 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 10:12 am
Someone should start a petition to ban the Bushes, and all his administration, from living in the United States when his term is over.
 

Robert K. (437)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 10:22 am
Ron Mac, he has already bought a 100,000 acres in Portugal I believe it is. Poor Portugal, either way they loose. bu$hit will either clear cut the rain forests, or move there. Lord have mercy.
 

David L. (6)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 12:59 pm
Hey yes, let's throw a party for Laura Bush. I'm inviting all of you so come prepared for your opportunity to meet one on one with our first lady. Oh, btw, we'll have a really grand party for George later. I'll keep you guys posted.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 1:00 pm
you mean Paraguay Robert K, And Bush has a place in Iraq built up bigger then the Mall of America with 15 ft thick walls, a regular fortress. Once Bush is done with his term here, he will go there and attack here.
If we Impeach him, He has all the more reason to do it. Because the Impeachment is the jusdification they will use for his retaliation.
People like Rumsfeld and Lay and Delay, are already working over there for this project. They did not step down, They merely moved out of the light.
 

. (0)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 1:54 pm
Wow...just when you thought the lies and the bullsh*t couldn't get worse!!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 2:03 pm
Complaints Mount at U.S. Fortress in Iraq
In part two of his series on worker abuse at the U.S. embassy site in Baghdad's Green Zone, David Phinney profiles an American vet hired to serve as medic at the construction site. After flying into Baghdad and settling in at the site, he was busy around the clock dealing with injuries related to poor training and working conditions and he describes an failed escape attempt by some of the workers and a large strike which resulted in an estimated 375 workers being sent home.">Digg this story!
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David Phinney, Electronic Iraq, 31 October 2006

This article is the second part of a series on allegations of forced labour and abuse of workers in the construction of the U.S. embassy in Baghdad. Read part one here.

WASHINGTON (IPS) - Several months before a U.S. construction foreman named John Owen would quit in disgust over what he said was blatant abuse of foreign labourers hired to build the sprawling new U.S. embassy in Baghdad, Rory Mayberry would witness similar events when he flew to Kuwait from his home in Myrtle Creek, Oregon.

The gravelly-voiced, easygoing U.S. Army veteran had previously worked in Iraq for Halliburton and the private security company, Danubia. Missing the action and the big paychecks U.S. contractors draw there, Mayberry snagged a 10,000-dollar a month job with MSDS consulting company.

MSDS is a two-person minority-owned consulting company that assists U.S. State Department managers in Washington with procurement programming. Never before had the firm offered medical services or worked in Iraq, but First Kuwaiti -- Owen's employer -- hired MSDS on the recommendation of Jim Golden, the State Department contract official overseeing the embassy project. Within days, an agreement worth hundreds of thousands of dollars for medical care was signed.

The 45-year-old Mayberry, a former emergency medical technician in the U.S. Army who worked as a funeral director in Oregon, responded to a help wanted ad placed by MSDS. The plan was that he would work as a medic attending to the construction crews on the work site in Baghdad.

Like Owen, Mayberry immediately sensed things weren't right when he boarded a First Kuwaiti flight on Mar. 15 to Baghdad.

At the airport in Kuwait City, Mayberry said, he saw a person behind a counter hand First Kuwaiti managers a passenger manifest, an envelope of money and a stack of boarding passes to Dubai. The managers then handed out the boarding passes to Mayberry and 50 or so new First Kuwaiti labourers, mostly Filipinos.

"Everyone was told to tell customs and security that they were flying to Dubai," Mayberry said in an interview. Once the group passed the guards, they went upstairs and waited by the McDonald's for First Kuwaiti staff to unlock a door -- Gate 26 -- that led to an unmarked, ageing white 52-seat jet.

"All the workers had their passports taken away by First Kuwaiti," Mayberry claimed, and while he knew the plane was bound for Baghdad, he's not so sure the others were aware of their destination. The Asian labourers began asking questions about why they were flying north and the jet wasn't flying east over the ocean, he said. "I think they thought they were going to work in Dubai."

One former First Kuwaiti supervisor acknowledged that the company holds passports of many workers in Iraq -- a violation of U.S. contracting.

"All of the passports are kept in the offices," said one company insider who requested anonymity for fear of financial and personal retribution. As for distributing Dubai boarding passes for Baghdad flights, "It's because of the travel bans," he explained.. Mayberry believes that migrant workers from the Philippines, India and Nepal are especially vulnerable to employers like First Kuwaiti because their countries have little or no diplomatic presence in Iraq.

"If you don't have your passport or an embassy to go to, what you do to get out of a bad situation?" he asked. "How can they go to the U.S. State Department for help if First Kuwaiti is building their embassy?"

Owen had already been working at the embassy site since late November when Mayberry arrived. The two never crossed paths, but both share similar complaints about management of the project and brutal treatment of the labourers that, at times, numbered as many as 2,500. Most are from the Philippines, India, and Pakistan. Others are from Egypt and Turkey.

The number of workers with injuries and ailments stunned Mayberry. He went to work immediately after and stayed busy around the clock for days.

Four days later, First Kuwaiti pulled him off the job after he requested an investigation of two patients who had died before he arrived from what he suspected was medical malpractice. Mayberry also recommended that the health clinics be shut down because of unsanitary conditions and mismanagement.

"There hadn't been any follow up on medical care. People were walking around intoxicated on pain relievers with unwrapped wounds and there were a lot of infections," he recalled. "The idea that there was any hygiene seemed ridiculous. I'm not sure they were even bathing."

In reports made available to the U.S. State Department, the U.S. Army and First Kuwaiti, Mayberry listed dozens of concerns about the clinics, which he found lacking in hot water, disinfectant, hand washing stations, properly supplied ambulances, and communication equipment. Mayberry also complained that workers' medical records were in total disarray or nonexistent, the beds were dirty, and the support staff hired by First Kuwaiti was poorly trained.

The handling of prescription drugs especially bothered him. Many of the drugs that originated from Iraq and Kuwait were unsecured, disorganised and unintelligibly labeled, he said in one memo. He found that the medical staff frequently misdiagnosed patients. Prescription pain killers were being handed out "like a candy store... and then people were sent back to work."

Mayberry warned that the practice could cause addiction and safety hazards. "Some were on the construction site climbing scaffolding 30 feet off the ground. I told First Kuwaiti that you don't give painkillers to people who are running machinery and working on heavy construction and they said 'that's how we do it'."

The sloppy handling of drugs may have led to the two deaths, Mayberry speculates. One worker, age 25, died in his room. The second, in his mid-30s, died at the clinic because of heart failure. Both deaths may be "medical homicide", Mayberry says, because the patients may have been negligently prescribed improper drug treatment.

If the State Department investigated, Mayberry knows nothing of the outcome. Two State Department officials with project oversight responsibilities did not return phone calls or emails inquiring about Mayberry's allegations. The reports may have been ignored, not because of his complaints, but because Mayberry is a terrible speller, a problem compounded by an Arabic translation programme loaded on his computer, he says.

Owen's account of his seven months on the job paints a similar picture to Mayberry's. Health and safety measures were essentially non-existent, he says. Not once did he witness a safety meeting. Once an Egyptian worker fell and broke his back and was sent home. No one ever heard from him again. "The accident might not have happened if there was a safety programme and he had known how to use a safety harness," Owen said.

State Department officials supervising the project are aware of many such events, but apparently did nothing, he said. Once when 17 workers climbed the wall of the construction site to escape, a State Department official helped round them up and put them in "virtual lockdown", Owen said.

Just before he resigned, hundreds of Pakistani workers went on strike in June and beat up a Lebanese manager who they accused of harassing them. Owen estimates that 375 labourers were then sent home.

Recent First Kuwaiti employees agree that the accounts of Owen and Mayberry are accurate. One longtime supervisor claimed that 50 to 60 percent of the labourers regularly protest that First Kuwaiti "treats them like animals", and routinely reduces their promised pay with confusing and unexplained deductions.

Another former First Kuwaiti manager, who declined to be named because of possible adverse consequences, said that Owen's and Mayberry's complaints only begin "to scratch the surface".

But scratching the surface is the only view yet available of what may be the most lasting monument to the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. As of now, only a handful of authorised State Department managers and contractors, along with First Kuwaiti workers and contractors, are officially allowed inside the project's walls. No journalist has ever been allowed access to the sprawling 104-acre site with towering construction cranes raising their necks along the skyline.

David Phinney is a journalist and broadcaster based in Washington, DC. He can be contacted at: phinneydavid@yahoo.com.
http://electroniciraq.net/news/2580.shtml
 

Marty Powell (128)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 2:05 pm
So... Shrub and the Mrs. suffer the most? Hmm.. let me see.. what a CROCK of crap. Tell the Poor who cant afford gas to drive to work, the Seniors who cant afford medicine, the people being tortured in GB, or the families of all our Soldiers killed by Shrub's criminal acts.
 

Ali Hirst (286)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 2:47 pm
The US still has the Death Penalty, so why not use it while you can. The Death Penalty in the US has been used on people with lesser crimes than Bush has committed. He should be treated exactly how he treated Saddam...hung until he is dead. Forget the easy lethal injection where they are not supposed to suffer (but they do). I am against the Death Penalty because it has been found to have been used on innocent people in a number of cases. But Bu$h is Guilty as Hell, and no trial needs to be held to prove that. I really feel for the US, because as I have said, Australia has not lost a troop on active duty. Everyone else such as the UK has. Yes we do have less troops over there, but does it not seem strange to you, that for some reason our troops never seem to be in the wrong place at the wrong time...thank goodness. But it is still very odd. Civilians have lost their lives in Iraq. I don't for one minute wish or imply that we..Australians should lose a troop in this illegal war. But it does make one wonder the reasoning here.
A lot of Americans don't vote. Has anyone wondered why Bush got back in twice. Maybe if more Americans put their votes where their words against Bu$h are, then he would never have been elected in the first place. Remember he didn't legally win the first election, because the Florida votes were stopped from being counted at 10pm, because they said they couldn't count the rest my midnight (apparently the law in that state). Here in Australia no matter how long, or how thin the margin is between the votes, every last one is counted until the last Absentee vote comes in from somewhere overseas. Yes, we have compulsory voting here, and if Americans really cared who their leader was, they should consider adding themselves to the electoral roll. Here we are fined or imprisoned for not voting once we reach the age of 18yrs unless their is a medical reason for not voting. Even religions who hold Saturday as their Sabbath, vote before the election, just the same as those who are not going to be in their electoral division on the day. We have our voting booths open for one day..8am - 6pm and if you can't vote in that time frame their is the alternative I have already listed. All of you who have commented on how bad Bush is, I have a question...did you vote in the Election. If you didn't, then you have no reason to complain, because maybe your votes could have made all the difference to the results, that you have been stuck with at least for another year.
 

Robert K. (437)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 5:48 pm
I believe it is tonight that Larry King Live is going to interview Bill Bennet. If that is the case it comes on here in 15 minutes at 8 PM Daylight Saying Time. Bennet says the war mongering Neocons made him the scape goat. It should be interesting. Check schedule for time near you. See what Maureen Dowd say in TruthOut attached below...
Go to Original

More Like an Air Ball
By Maureen Dowd
The New York Times

Saturday 28 April 2007

Poor Slam-Dunk.

Not since Madame Butterfly has anyone been so cruelly misunderstood and misused. Slam-Dunk says that when he pantingly told the president that fetching information on Saddam's W.M.D. would be a cinch, he did not mean let's go to war.

No matter how eager Slam-Dunk was to tell W. what he wanted to hear while polishing W.'s shoes, that intelligence they craved did not exist. "Let me say it again: C.I.A. found absolutely no linkage between Saddam and 9/11," the ex-Head Spook writes in his new book, self-effacingly titled "At the Center of the Storm." Besides, Junior and Darth had already decided to go to war to show the Arabs their moxie.

The president and vice president wanted Slam-Dunk to help them dramatize the phony case. Everyone had to pitch in! That Saturday session in December 2002 in the Oval Office was "essentially a marketing meeting," Slam-Dunk writes, just for "sharpening the arguments."

Hey, I feel better.

Slam-Dunk always presented himself as the ultimate guy's guy, a cigar-chomping spymaster who swapped jokes with the president. But now he shows us his tender side, a sniveling C.I.A. chief bullied by "remote" Condi.

He says Condi panicked in October 2002 and made him call a Times reporter, Alison Mitchell, who covered the Congressional debate about invading Iraq. He told Alison to ignore the conclusions of his own agency, which had said the links between Saddam and terrorist groups were tenuous, and that Saddam would only take the extreme step of joining with Islamic fanatics if he thought the U.S. was about to attack him. His nose growing as long as his cigar, he said nothing in the C.I.A. report contradicted the president's case for war.

"In retrospect," Slam writes, "I shouldn't have talked to the New York Times reporter at Condi's request. By making public comments in the middle of a contentious political debate, I gave the impression that I was becoming a partisan player."

Can't a guy be a lickspittle without being an ideologue?

There were so many nasties trying to push Slam around: Vice, of course, and Wolfie, and Wolfie's neoconcubine Doug Feith. Once, Slam writes, Wolfie "hounded" a C.I.A. briefer to translate the diary of Abu Zubaydah, a captured Al Qaeda official, even though the C.I.A. had decided it was just misogynistic ramblings "about what he wanted to do with women." Oh, that sexy beast Wolfie. Look out, Shaha!

But even though he was paid a $4 million advance to settle scores, Slam can't turn on W. Maybe it's the Medal of Freedom. "In a way, President Bush and I are much alike," he writes. "We sometimes say things from our gut, whether it's his 'bring 'em on' or my 'slam-dunk.' I think he gets that about me, just as I get that about him." (He had me at "slam-dunk.")

The worst meanie was horrid Bob Woodward. Slam socialized with Bob and gave him lots of intel for his best sellers, but then Bob "painted a caricature of me leaping into the air and simulating a slam-dunk, not once but twice, with my arms flailing. Credit Woodward's source with ... a fine sense of how to make me look ridiculous, but don't credit him or her with a deep sense of obligation to the truth."

A deep sense of obligation to the truth is something Slam keenly understands, even though he scurried around like the butler in "Remains of the Day," trying to toadie up to the president while, as he belatedly admits, W. was going to invade Iraq without debate or casus belli.

He says he warned Paul Bremer about de-Baathifying the Iraqi Army, but hey, he was just a staff guy. That's probably how the two worst intelligence disasters in our history happened on his watch. He was merely providing intelligence for the guys who wanted to ignore or warp that intelligence and make bad policy. What could he do?

Slam says he was Cassandra. A C.I.A. paper was given to the president's national security team in September 2002 tot sum up the possible negatives of invading Iraq, including anarchy and a breakup in Iraq, instability in the neighborhood, a surge of terrorism against U.S. interests, oil disruptions, and seething allies.

But it was discreetly tucked away in the back of the briefing book, after the stuff at the beginning about how great it would be to liberate Iraq and end threats to Iraq's neighbors, and the stuff in the middle about reforming Iraq's bureaucracy.

Slam gives tips to others who want to engage in public service, including: Don't forget that there are no private conversations, even in the Oval Office. Another might be: If you worry about your own survival more than your country's, you might end up as the whiny fall guy.


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Robert K. (437)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 9:09 pm
IMPEACH, IMPEACH, & TRY FOR WAR CRIMES.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17605.htm (copy and paste site for whole story)
Knee-Deep Blood In The Land Of Make-Believe
By Carla Binion
04/26/07 "Online Journal" -- -- - Itís astonishing that members of
Congress are either unaware George W. Bush and Dick Cheney lied the
nation into war with Iraq, or they are aware of the fact and donít
care. A Congress grounded in reality would have unequivocally
acknowledged the administrationís lies long ago and taken appropriate
action -- almost certainly impeachment.

If we say the pre-war lies donít matter and the country should sweep
them under the rug and only focus on the best way out of Iraq, what
weíre really saying is that the truth itself doesnít matter. If we
say we should look away from the fact that thousands of U.S. soldiers
and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died for a lie, weíre saying the
lost lives donít matter, the war-injured and maimed donít matter,
Americaís honor and integrity donít matter.

The logic-free anti-impeachment excuse is that the nation canít
handle running the country and impeachment simultaneously. John
Nichols wrote in The Nation recently, ď[House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi
fears that impeachment would distract from the Democratic legislative
agenda and provoke an electoral backlash.Ē

However, the bottom line is the country canít afford to let Bush and
Cheney get away with deceiving us into a costly and bloody war.
Decisions on a matter of this weight shouldnít be based on fear,
whether fear of an impeded agenda or threat of backlash.

 

Charles Q. (20)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 10:04 pm
Helen:

Since when is it required to vote in order to complain about Bushdummy?
Did all your fellow countrymen/women vote before complaining about Howard? I bet not everybody cast their ballot.
Another thing, what I think is strange is your misunderstanding about what constitutes a wrong place versus a right place...if you'll recall your troopies are in Iraq just the same as ours are; to me that spells being in the WRONG PLACE at the WRONG TIME regardless of where the troopies are billeted.

FYI: I did vote; for Ralph Nader as in the two previous elections, but it wouoldn't have mattered because according to amendment 1 of our constitution which gives us the freedom (pre 9/11 constitution rendering) citizens have the right to freedom of speech (bitch, gripe, moan, et al.)
The same logic hads been used to defend corporations as individuals equal in rights and status as human citizens.
 

Charles Q. (20)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 10:22 pm
Robert:
I think Pelosi has other reasons why she's against voting for impeachment against her old friend Bush (and I stress friend),bith her and her husband have invested in many war related industries...
this translates into she has a per$onal $take in continuing our imperilistic control over the lives of millions of Iraqi and Afghanistani citizens...Pelosi is nompeace lover, regardless of how much the public perceives otherwise.
Just like Obama, Clinton, et al with one exception: Rep. Kucinich who doesn't speak with the proverbial forked tongue and corporate backing.
 

Kathleen R. (983)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 10:30 pm
The Bush families are deplorable, sinful, and, criminal!!! And so is any US citizen NOT trying to get the Bush's out of office!!! Folks with compassion care enough to try to change things, not give-up & say "Oh, my voice doesn't count."!!!
Peace~
 

Ali Hirst (286)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 11:54 pm
Compulsory Voting in Australia
The electoral roll is a list of all people who are registered to vote in Australian elections. In Australia, all citizens over the age of 18 must enrol to vote. It is compulsory by law to enrol and compulsory by law to attend a polling place at election time.
Seventeen year olds may provisionally enrol and will be able to vote if their 18th birthday falls on or before polling day.


Enrolment and voting in federal elections was voluntary from 1901.
Permanent electoral rolls were established in 1908.
Enrolment became compulsory in 1911.

Queensland was the first State to introduce compulsory voting in 1915.
Compulsory voting for Federal elections was introduced in 1924 and first used in the 1925 elections where 91.31% of the electorate cast a vote.

Enrolment and voting for Aboriginal people became compulsory in 1984.

Other countries which have some form of compulsory voting are:


Argentina
Austria
Belgium
Bolivia
Brazil
Cyprus
Dominican Republic
Egypt
Greece
Guatemala
Honduras
Liechenstein
Luxembourg
Panama
Philippines
Singapore
Switzerland (some cantons only)
Uruguay
Venezuela
The only non-Australian citizens eligible to vote at federal elections in Australia are:
British subjects who were on a Commonwealth electoral roll before 26 January 1984, at which time the eligibility requirements were altered.
The following people are not entitled to enrol and vote:
prisoners serving a sentence of five years or more
people who have been convicted of treason and not pardoned
people who are incapable of understanding the nature and significance of enrolment and voting

Charles I posted this FYI. I agree with all the rules here in Australia for voting. Except the exception to the rule of the last one....elderly people are voting who have dementia, and don't have a clue who or what party they are voting for. My own Mother is almost blind. She asked me to go into the voting booth with her about 7 yrs ago. They noticed and took her off the Electoral Roll. If no-one had noticed she would still be voting, and not know who she was voting for. Because she asked ME where to put the TICKS...she is a labor follower because she believes that Labor is for the working class...which it may have been years ago, but certainly not now. I am a National Party voter. But the National/Liberal party here is co-joined now. So if I vote National in these elections, and the preference goes to Liberal, I am voting for Howard at the same time. I make sure he is the highest number I tick..For instance if there are 36 candidates...he would be 36, which is my most disliked candidate. The major problem in Australia is that the parties hand out 'How to Vote Forms" but half the voters don't understand where the preferences are going. And they don't have to tell us where the preferences are going until the last week or so. Donkey votes are given to the winning party. So it is really an unfair way of distributing votes here in Australia. All States and Terroritories have the same rules.
 

Ali Hirst (286)
Saturday April 28, 2007, 11:59 pm
And if we fail to register and vote we get fined or jailed... forgot that bit. But it is important and they will find you if you go and get your drivers licence..register your car...and you are not on the list or you failed to vote. The boys in Blue will be out to pay you a visit very quickly, and they have been known to arrest people on the spot until they pay their fine, and jail them.
 

Veronique P. (99)
Sunday April 29, 2007, 7:58 am
I applaud Gold Star Mom's comment in the article. What scares me about people like the Bush couple and their followers (the few of them ie. Cheney and co) is that they are convinced that they are right because it serves their idea of them being superior. Don't forget, they are from rich families (although they are poor spiritually) and they think they have a God given right to benefit only themselves (war profiteering, etc.). They don't think they're wrong and they never will and they will continue doing what they are doing. Therefore, they must be stopped by US and LEGALLY. They CAN'T be stopped by reason. They are part of this so-called elites that have ruled this country and others (there are a lot of them in Europe as well, believe me) for a long time. They have power and they will always refuse to give it away.
Like dying horses in the old days, they should be Taken Down.
 

Robert K. (437)
Sunday April 29, 2007, 5:51 pm
Robert Greenwald a Producer/Director has out a trilogy or three documentaries that have been out for quite some time. The lastest one is 'UNCOVERED: the whole truth about the Iraq War.. I just saw it today and it is a must see to those of you that have not seen it. I found it online and orderd it, or all three documentaries could be purchased in a set. UNCOVERED...A Few of those interviewed in the documentary are Joe Wilson, Scott Ritter, David Albright, Philip Coyle, Rand Beers, Ray McGovern, Mel Goodman, all with very long creditials and years of service to our country. If anyway possible try to see it.
 

Robert K. (437)
Monday April 30, 2007, 9:23 am
Well I Wonder Why!!!

Murtha says Dems could consider impeachment 29 Apr 2007 Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) said Sunday that Democrats in Congress could consider impeachment as a way to pressure President [sic] Bush on his handling of the war in Iraq. "What Iím saying, thereís four ways to influence a president. And one of themís impeachment," Murtha, chairman of the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, said on CBSí "Face the Nation."

 

Margaret M. (5)
Monday April 30, 2007, 4:24 pm
Nicole, You are so right. This sense of entitlement because they were born to weatlhy families is dangerous. Look what the Bushes have done already and with no end in sight. Reason is not something they recognize. Bush needs to be impeached and we need to start over with a Congress that hasn't been bought and paid for by the Bushes. Like a sign said at one of the protests, "SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE DUBYA A BLOWJOB SO WE CAN IMPEACH HIM!"
 

Robert K. (437)
Monday April 30, 2007, 10:04 pm
The compassionate and Godfearing Dubya's VP...

Ex-CIA analyst: Forged 'yellowcake' memo 'leads right back to' Cheney:

Appearing on MSNBC's Tucker Carlson show, Ray McGovern who served in the CIA for twenty-seven years, said, "the [forged] memo leads right back to the doorstep of the Vice President of the United States."
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/ExCIA_analyst_Forged_yellowcake_memo_leads_0430.html


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Carol W. (119)
Tuesday May 1, 2007, 8:45 am

ASK THIS OF YOURSELVES;

Do you feel safer today than before the Iraq invasion?

Does a four color system of the primary colors really cost 40 Billion dollars? While smog alerts have been in practice for decades at virtually little cost.

Has this Administration secured, provided, or accomplished half as much for the American tax payer as what they have positioned for its' own?

When Bush leaves office, Will he Pardon our Border Patrol Guards, or his co-conspirators?

One slighltly overlooked query; Why is our government allowing a corrupt system like Mexico to influence our policies on citizenship?

Americans are not dumb as Bill Gates justifies his wanting of unlimited H 1 B Visas,
Americans are not lazy as the excuse goes for illegal labor as we loose more jobs to these bellicose hideous rationals,
and America was not founded on principals that cater to the magnates.

Is history about to repeat itself in returning to an imperial hierarchy that decides and rules how its agenda will be molded to force all individual submission?

The Bush suffering is like that of the spoiled child that has to wait for what they expected to have yesterday.
It's a painful suffering like a silent tantrum that has nothing to do with any losses, and everything to do with "Hurry Up, Already. I don't like waiting."



 

Carol W. (119)
Tuesday May 1, 2007, 8:54 am

This is how they can lie with a straight face.

It's not that they are bold face liars, they just have a different interpretation, understanding, and vantage point that is clearly not that of what it means to be an American.

This is why the illegals believe they will take over what generations have built here. The illegals understand this elite and their wants,and they intend to play up to it. ( In our face.)
 

Charles Q. (20)
Wednesday May 2, 2007, 3:24 am
Carol Ann:

Turn that mirror around and then take another look at it. Perhaps you should notice that your own government is the one that is CORRUPT; that's been bent on destroying those nations that it disagrees with, and worse of all, is comprised of the most despicable,vile and pervasive form of racists on the planet.

BTW:
Based on your screed here, I woud suggest that you should become educated as to what it means to be an american because sister you don't have a clue!
 

Carol W. (119)
Wednesday May 2, 2007, 8:01 am

Charles you are so enlightened and your head so far out in the galaxy by your rant it is obvious you can not read.

Enlighten us Divine One.
 

Liesa Penrod (6)
Wednesday May 2, 2007, 7:12 pm
OK picture this...Protesters---wearing body bags for all of those who have died in this war---on both sides and let's not forget, for all of those who will die by the time Bush is forced to call "time out". Imagine it all to any tune you wish. Think about the effect that it would have on sensibilities, if all of those sent to their graves for Bush's temper tantrum--- had a voice--at least by proxy. And all of those flag draped coffins (that the government decided weren't good for the public to see), suddenly had a voice. How many of those gone now---forever-never to see another day--who "made the ultimate sacrifice" would change their votes now, if given a second chance? My odds were on the American public finally getting a belly-full of an regressive administration which has failed (on more than one occasion) to answer to those who it actually serves--but then it's really getting to be too late now. Do I think that the Bush family has suffered when they sent these men into an ill conceived, ill planned, ill advised, deceptive and offensive war which has become an outright national tragedy---I'll ask those that are in the flag draped coffins who have no voice now as they didn't really then and I'll ask those who have come back in pieces--who are can't get their lives back and will soon be completely forgotten by our government--bodies and minds damaged forever. What is their answer?--Probably the same as my husband's, who was an MIA in Viet Nam at the age of 19.--Sorry, I can't repeat it in mixed company.
 

Kim Sanders-Fisher (454)
Friday May 4, 2007, 8:00 am
The original message writer reveals that they want George W. to "go away," but this wouldn't satisfy me. I will not feel at ease until justice is done and this criminal is sent away for the remainder of his natural life in captivity. I want him to face real justice from an international court and be sentenced to spend the rest of his life behind bars for his crimes against humanity. After his conviction his wife might start to feel a fraction of the pain this monster has inflicted on the rest of the world.
 

Kathleen R. (983)
Friday May 4, 2007, 3:14 pm
Each day WE allow President Bush and his administration to remain in office is the more We The People and Congress appear to condone:
Growing disrespect for the United States - from within and from without; multitudes of deaths, tortures, disabilities - to our own people and others; crimes against all humanity; loss of patriotism in truth (and LIFE) for our troops; NO compassion for our own needy citizens, veterans, and others around the globe; crimes against our very globe; and, so much more! Truly, the Clinton Impeachment did make the U. S. Looks rather silly to others, so now with Bush's lies causing extensive deaths and destruction - while still sending innocent troops into war with other innocent peoples - no one can respect the USA any longer for patriotism nor moral decency! We are in so many extremely shameful situations -- in war and at home -- and it is certainly time to set a good example while restoring order and respect by finally impeaching these inhumane, unpatriotic, lying, habitual criminals, and get our great nation healthy and respectful again!
P.S. Raise your hand if you realize to feel a twitch of shame every time you hear of suicides by veterans and young adults~~~~~
 
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