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George Kennan Vs. Bush, Cheney, Rove, Kristol, Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Coulter

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: bush, cheney, elections, iraq, iran, troops, world, propaganda )

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Bush's words befit an overeager, ignorant, petulant child, not a mature statesman. Yet, can any less be said of all the Americans, who found such nonsense persuasive?

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Robert K (437)
Thursday May 24, 2007, 9:56 pm
President Bush behaved the same way, as if "alarmed and exercised" anti-terrorism rhetoric would enable him to hide his failures to prevent 9/11, notwithstanding numerous warnings about impending terrorist attacks. Attempting to gain proprietorship, Bush's numerous asinine assertions about the terrorists demonstrated that he didn't have a clue.


Jennie B (14)
Thursday May 24, 2007, 10:43 pm
There was a memo on his desk from Robert Clark, CIA to Condee Rice, regarding the potential of attacks by airliners into buildings in major cities on 9/11 or before. HE KNEW. What an idiot. He keeps repeating the same ole, same ole, as do his mouthpieces and you would think the public would be sick and tired of being sick and tired, but NO, they lap it up as if this alone will save them from the vague, never clearly defined TERRORISTS who are often purposely confused with LIBERALS, HUMANISTS, LEFTISTS, and even TEACHERS if the mood moves them. These wackos are negative, hate-filled, ugly people and why anyone would listen to their constant barrage of mean on mean is beyond me. Bush-speak is so dumb, so depressing, so last 7 years, you would think people would be ready for something new. What will it take to galvanize people into action? Intelligence evidently eludes them or scares them. Platitudes reassure them and lull them softly back to Bushland....I'm sure w/the latest Dems vote, these vulgars are just laughing thinking they are on the upswing again w/people believing their incredibly see-through lies about everything. If they say it, Bush-alikes will say it is true...could people still be that dumb. Can 28% be that hopeless? Could more than 28% -we better hope not. Air America is a great alternative folks. If you can find it on your radio, find AIR AMERICA - Randy Rhodes or Sam Cedar or Lionel or any one of a # of Leftists are there ranging from barely Left to Far Left you will find one that speaks Truth for you. more LIES and rubbish and they have great speakers on, too. We should show them more support and get the word out that at least as far as media, there is ONE VOICE IN RADIO YOU CAN TRUST NOW THAT PBS HAS SOLD OUT---AIR AMERICA, find it locally and breath easier to hear your ideas aren't so wacky afterall...1600 in Austin, TX. NOTED Great job! Robert....

Robert K (437)
Thursday May 24, 2007, 11:27 pm
Jennie good shall prevail, but right now the GOP (what about that acronym Grand Old Party) are playing with a stacked deck, dealing off the botton and from under the table. Grand Old Party e.g., sounds so pious but hell itself is not as low down. And everything they do is the same...No Child Left Behind - not properly funded, National Forestry Service - for assisting the billionaire conglomerates to get into the pristine areas to clear cut the ancient forest, Save Social Security - turn it over to Wall Street, Health Care Reform - a joke and the list is endless.

Long after it became clear that the Bush administration's incompetence had lost Osama bin Laden, and was losing its war in Iraq (perhaps, Afghanistan, as well), Karl Rove still was asserting: "Conservatives saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and prepared for war, liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding."

Beyond this McCarthyite smear, Rove committed others: "Conservatives see the United States as a great nation engaged in a noble cause; liberals see the United States and they see…Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, and the killing fields of Cambodia." [Joe Conason, It Can Happen Here, pp. 24-25] Thus, as he did from 9/11 forward, Rove was betting that a majority of the electorate could be frightened to vote Republican by Republican hate- and fear-mongering.

Worse still, with the aid of America's warmongering neoconservatives (those brave folks who, somehow, never get around to serving in the military, themselves) such as Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, Bush and Cheney were able "to divert America's wrath away from those who perpetrated that attack and turn it against those [in Iraq] who did not." [Scott McConnell, "The Weekly Standard's War," The American Conservative, September 21, 2005


Robert K (437)
Thursday May 24, 2007, 11:59 pm
As Scott McConnell has written, in 1997 Kristol and Robert Kagan wrote an article, "Saddam Must Go," in which they asserted: "We know it seems unthinkable to propose another ground attack to take Baghdad. But it's time to start thinking the unthinkable." After 9/11, Kristol's Weekly Standard propagandists incessantly beat the war drums for invading Iraq. And they did so by repeating their BIG LIE - Saddam was linked to al Qaeda.

For, as Scott McConnell notes, in the very first issue published after 9/11, the Weekly Standard "laid down a line from which the magazine would not waver over the next 18 months." Their line was "to link Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden in virtually every paragraph, to join them at the hip in the minds of readers, and then lay out a strategy that actually gave attacking Saddam priority over eliminating al Qaeda." [McConnell, The American Conservative]

Moreover, the most zealous neocon, Douglas Feith, used his position within the Department of Defense to fabricate bogus intelligence to present to fellow neocon, Paul Wolfowitz, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and Darth Cheney, who would then present the BIG LIE to the public. Supplementing the BIG LIE was the superficial nonsense spouted by America's neocons about the ease with which democracy and freedom could be exported to the Middle East - even at the point of a gun.


Maureen S (122)
Friday May 25, 2007, 1:38 am
Well Boots my dear . . . once again you've struck gold!!! =) So . . . when ya comin out this way? LOL Seriously, thanks for another great catch; and it just keeps on coming. It's sometimes difficult to sort out the truth through all the lies. However, the bottom line is that we've been drive into debt that it's nearly impossible to foresee when that debt will disappear, or how many generations will have to pay for this. That is, of course, if there is ANYTHING LEFT!!!

It's becoming a maudlin affair to listen to the news, or to read the paper as each day exposes yet another lie, another scandal. Today I listened to the debate on the Imiigration Bill . . . and was shocked to hear many of the GOP talking this bill down for the "amnesty" it provides for those who choose to enter a country based on the "Rule of Law" illegally. Whoops . . . did I actually say the rule of law??? Oh my . . . what law and order? There is none as far as the GOP and the Bush Administration is concerned; the only laws they view as legitimate are theirs!!!

I wish I could talk on this one at length; it's just that it's the same ole as Jennie pointed out; in listening to Bush today in his press conference from the Rose Garden (he doesn't need to wear his glasses [i.e., rose colored] when he's speaking from the Rose Garden, you see!!! =P) I couldn't believe that he was actually standing there attempting to say the same stuff that he's been saying for the past seven years. One reporter posed gthe question that perhaps it woul dhave been better to stay focused on Afghanistan and catch UBL rather than going into Iraq . . . and whilst admitting that the WMD's weren't there as he thought--as the WORLD believed--I was just stunned!!! What world DOES he live in??? Does he really think that we are still buying all of this? Apaprently so; delusion is a peaceful state they say!!! Delusions of grandeur that is.

And as for bin Laden . . . well, all of a sudden he's stating that we're still hunting him, and we will continue to hunt him!!! HUH?????? Wasn't it just about a year ago . . . or more . . . he made the statement that he was just one man and he didn't matter; today it wss the opposite along with how we had caught some of his "top affiliates" so we would get him! HUH???

I guess I sit and wonder why it is that more and more people aren't screaming over the war as they are over the immigration Bill??? And boy are they screaming over that. Not that I blame them; on that one he claimed that this bill was NOT amnesty!!! HUH???

Robert K (437)
Friday May 25, 2007, 2:08 am
Maude why couldn't everyone be as aware as you and Jennie? But with this not being the case by a long shot, like someone quoted Betty Davis a few days back when she said, 'Hold on baby we're in for a rough ride'. Maybe something say as Sisyphus rolling that hugh boulder up the mountain trying to get to the plateau. And when he thought he was about there and things would be okay it just rolled right down the other side and he had to start all over again into an unending struggle...

Not unlike the McCarthyite and virulent racist, J. Edgar Hoover, who was "so malicious that he would stop at nothing to destroy" Martin Luther King Jr., "a man who believed in justice," [NY Times Jan. 18, 1998] today's McCarthyite and virulent racist, Rush Limbaugh, is leaving few stones unturned in his attempt to destroy Senator Barack Obama. Limbaugh, you'll recall, decades ago told an African-American caller to "take that bone out of your nose." Judging by his recent assaults on Senator Obama, it doesn't sound like Limbaugh has ever learned from the errors of his ways.

Intending to "destroy the burrhead," Hoover's men let King know about the damaging material gathered on him by the F.B.I. and suggested, "he do the honorable thing and take his own life." They didn't know the great character possessed by the man they were dealing with. [Ibid]

And while we can only speculate whether Limbaugh intended to provoke the racist threats that require unusually early Secret Service protection for Senator Obama, who can doubt that Limbaugh is pandering to the low class white racism of his half-witted audience through thinly-veiled racist taunts. He energizes both his and the Republican Party base with his racial references to: "Halfrican American," "Obama Osama," and by playing "Barrack, The Magic Negro."

But Limbaugh's McCarthyism extends far beyond his racist Hooverism. In 2003, for example, Limbaugh called the patriots who protested America's impending invasion of Iraq, "anti-American, anti-capitalist Marxists and communists." On August 15, 2005, he asserted: "Wouldn't it be great if anybody who speaks out against this country, to kick them out of the country? Anybody that threatens this country, kick 'em out. We'd get rid of Michael Moore, we'd get rid of half the Democratic Party if we would just import that law. That would be fabulous. The Supreme Court ought to look into this. Absolutely brilliant idea out there."

Past Member (0)
Friday May 25, 2007, 4:51 am
Great job Boots!

Arielle S (313)
Friday May 25, 2007, 6:33 am
Well, Jennie, I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired - that petulant, whiny little Shrub makes my skin crawl and my stomach lurch. How anybody can just look at him and believe his lies is way beyond me. My sole consolation these days is that the idjit is so totally unphotogenic - he looks like a monkey on crack - that is when he's not looking like an arrogant jackass (and I feel badly insulting the animals this way....)

Past Member (0)
Friday May 25, 2007, 7:41 am
This President needs a permanent Time-Out and a good spanking. All of his cronies need to be expelled. This does not feel like an Administration, but instead, a bunch of Fraternity drunks having the times of their lives running our nation into to ground, making the world hate us, and stealing every dime they can find. I have never before known such an arrogant man in my life. Well, he is not really a man, only a puppet, but Cheney, now he is the real puppet master.

Robert K (437)
Friday May 25, 2007, 7:56 am
All-Right-Okay a monkey on crack - running the show as usual. But then the pretzelnit has had a lot of help. Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, Kristol, Novak et al making millions off their narcissist lunacy. Bill O'Reilly saying 'Shut Up' makes $50 million a year while Murdock is making billions. Coulter NY Times best sellers list. Lord have mercy...idiots craving money and look at the number of people that believe like bu$hit they walk on water...

Thanks, however, to some media researchers at Indiana University, who've sampled O'Reilly's McCarthyite tactics, we now know that he "employed six of the seven [classic] propaganda devices nearly 13 times each minute of his editorials." In this, he "is a heavier and less-nuanced user of the propaganda devices than [the anti-Semite and fascist, Father Charles] Coughlin." "Fear was used in more than half (52.4 percent) of the commentaries, and O'Reilly almost never offered a resolution to the threat."

Worst of all, however, is Ann Coulter. After the 9/11 attacks, Ms. Coulter made the following outrageous statement: "We know who the homicidal maniacs are. They are the ones cheering and dancing right now. We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." As if Ms. Coulter knew anything about war.

In her book, Treason, Ms. Coulter defended the BIG LIE of warmongers who claimed the existence of ties between Saddam Hussein and al Qaeda. And, on December 21, 2005, Ms. Coulter made the outrageous assertion: "I think the government should be spying on all Arabs, engaging in torture as a televised spectator sport, dropping daisy cutters wantonly throughout the Middle East and sending liberals to Guantanamo."


Liesa Penrod (6)
Friday May 25, 2007, 8:22 am
As long as Bin Lauden is "out there" somewhere, as long as there are yet evil doers to be punished at high noon- as long as Bush is on the throne- He and his cronies will keep stirring the pot. The big problem is-- Bush and this administration are cannibals and there's more in the pot than just a few spices. He's convinced the media (well that wasn't hard-Money talks and money walks) to help him go on the offensive and "win the war" --he's appealed to those who believe in the old "convert 'em or kill 'em philosophy" and well we do need that oil now dont we? We are addicted after all--So then you've won over those who don't want to put a crimp in their upper income lifestyles, You can even occasionally still hear the wispered excuse of "well we have to save those people over there from themselves--It's our job as the moral police of the world." It's also really great for our job market-- if you live to serve the war machine and work for the companies that make the weapons and machinery. If you are in with those mega-industries which are standing around licking the spoon. The rest of us get to watch this country's infrastructure crumble around them as Bush puts your money, among other things, right where his big mouth is. So what's on the menu? -----Our forests, wilderness and the animals which live there, our health care and school systems, our young men and women "serving" overseas, innocent lives, our respect and dignity--All for sale and all served with a side order of stupidity, arrogance, gluttony, and fanatical rhetoric--- So who's in next?

Lovebug Honey (35)
Friday May 25, 2007, 8:25 am
Bin Laden dead April 15th 2005,

Thomas Panto (364)
Friday May 25, 2007, 9:40 am
Attackers CREATE the defenders of God's Creation.
As long as WE keep cursing, condemning and invading the innocent people of the middle east there will continue to be an endless supply of ''Bin Laden's''.
Every living thing on earth will defend Creation from all attackers regardless of nationality, religion, race or even species.
Life will sacrifice itself to save Life from George W. Bush , or any other HITLER who seeks to OWN and CONTROL the Life in the world.

Arielle S (313)
Friday May 25, 2007, 10:03 am
Ok, now I've been reduced to name calling - sigh - the thing is the rest of the neocons at least have the good sense to *appear* more normal. But Bu$hler doesn't care what we think - he's just an arrogant fart blossom. Maybe we should thank him for making us wake up?

But they are all hate-mongering, fear-spreading terrorists - I suggest we bring our soldiers home and then send Ann Coulter (and O'Reilly and about 500 others) over to Iraq.

Maureen S (122)
Friday May 25, 2007, 10:21 am
Greetings dear Boots . . . as to others being as aware . . . I don't know about that; seems to me that there are plenty here at C2 that are aware, including yoursel!. lol However, all in all . . . I must wonder why it is that Limbaugh is STILL on the air given that he's passing out his racist comments on a regular basis; as well as his sexist and hatemongering! He incites hate and hate crimes . . . which I also thought was illegal? Imus pays but Limbaught gets to keep spewing his evil??? WTHELL??? I just don't understand. Oh yes . . . I know, I know . . . he's the darling of the GOP for the reasons that you state, i.e., he's able to mobilise the base! Still . . . that's certainly not "equal protection under the law!" If I were Imus I think I would consider suing those who saw to it he lost his job . . . including Sharpton who consistently raises MLK in his rhetoric and yet continues using the same line that Imus did. Why??? The double standard here is nothing short of stupendous!!! And it's not that Imus was the "wrong" ethnic group either! Same as Limbaugh . . . who/'s also a drug addict. *sigh* It's becoming more difficult to listen to the rantings of those who think they know what's best for America and Americans. And as to his remarks about those who speak out . . . the last time I checked that borders on treason! He gets his first amendment rights but the rest of us don't??? NOT!!!

Give peace a chance . . . from a man who was also assassinated (John Lennon); why can't we just get along? Killer whales, the top predator in the world's oceans, do; while they can take out literally anything else in the seas, they don't!!! And we call humans evolved and intelligent??? *sigh* I thank you for the compliments my dear . . . truly. However, I can see how you've grown and grown and grown in the short time from when we first became friends! Which to me infers that there is plenty of that going around thanks in part to you, to BB, and others that have contributed to awareness. =)

As for Limbaught . . . well, what I would like to say would get me booted in a heartbeat!!! *smile* Hugs darlin'

Maureen S (122)
Friday May 25, 2007, 10:47 am
Let's see . . . guess I'll just respond here to everyone so that I don't take up too much room!!! (not meant to imply that others do!!! Just clarifying beforehand!). Okay . . . on to the story! =D

Coulter, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Kristol . . . all of them are just the same!!! Mouthpieces that get rich off of stupid statements and assumptions (don't assume now Boots . . . ASS-U-ME .. . . see, makes one of those out of "u" and "me!" lol), as well as the filth that comes out of their mouths; let us not forget that Coulter also called Edwards a "F*gg*t" . . . and this is okay? Where are the hate crime laws? Why, once again, does Imus pay for his remarks and all these others can spew their hatred putrification and get away with it? Of course . . . because they are blinded and are promoting Bush & Co!!! Concatenation . . . and then it spreads even further and further and further . . . *sigh* Each and every one of them needs a plexiglass plate for their stomachs so they can see where they are going! =DDD

The inequity of all of this is the most disturbing to me; I realise that we ALL are supposed to have freedom of speech; however, these pepole need to be bound and gagged! Want a reason why so many are against America (asdie from the obvious, that is)??? It's just these people; when we are at war with troops in harm's way . . . these people should be curtailed as they are inflaming bin Laden and his likes even more. How can they and call themselves patriotic or American? I just don't get it!!! However . . . I would GLADLY, PROUDLY, AND PASSIONATELY take on Coulter!!! If only . . . it would be a show that would go down in history because I would make mince meat out of her in short order. So . . . here it is: ANN COULTER . . . HEAR THIS!!! I CHALLENGE YOU TO A DEBATE ABOUT ALL YOUR STATEMENTS AND IDEALS . . . ONE ON ONE!!! Not that she's going to see this . . . and certainly not that she would EVER take on me or anyone else for that matter. She's out of her element and her league. But it sure would be fun eh? I dunno Boots . . . .would you watch? *giggle*

Ms. Lovebug . . . WAKE UP!!! Bin Laden is NOT DEAD!!! I don't know where you're getting your information, however I can assure you that he is not dead. WE AREN'T EVEN TRYING TO CATCH THEM AND I KNOW THAT FOR A FACT, FACT, FACT!!! Do you really think if he were dead that we would not know it? No way, no how!!!

Arielle . . . I think we are all sick and tired of being sick and tired!!! And it's depressing as well; however, within myself there is light just as I know there is within you, Boots, BB and others here!!! We know the truth; now we just need to get it out there to the rest of the country . . . media or not. This is media!!! We should all be nominated for the news award . . . whichever it is!!! LOL

Leisa . . . well done you!!! There really isn't much that I can add to your comment! You summed things up nice and tidily and I thank you!!! See Boots . . . there are others who are just as aware if not more! lol And Thomas . . . I agree!!! However, I think that Mother Nature is so much smarter than us (after all . . . She is the Creationist!!!) . . . and given that we've become the parasite that we have on the planet . . . She will see to it that we're the ones who don't survive. I don't think we have the proper allleles to adapt that quickly; we are quick at times . . . however not that quick! Sudden changes throw us off . . . and so, that will be the end of that and She will do it without warning.

Ooooooooooo . . . . Arielle I LOVE IT!!! Yes, yes . . . let's do send them! And perhaps they can experience what those troops who were kidnapped have; and I pray that we don't find the other two as we did the young PFC!!! May he, and all others rest in peace. Unfortunately, they cannot as long as this insanity continues. And now they are screaming out from their graves to make this stop (all 3, 441 of them!!!) Those who were lucky (if you can call it luck) to come home with severe injuries that have forever changed their lives ARE speaking out . . . if they are able. And they are saying the same thing!!! Unfortunately, we aren't able to send them anywhere . . . however it's a BEAUTIFUL THING TO PONDER!!! hee hee

Well . . . here we are, once again! I think we need to stop talking and take action; what do you think Boots? BB? Arielle? How about we just get these massive protests going? Quite frankly, I would have LOVED to have seen a MASSIVE NATIONWIDE protest this week-end in memory of all the troops who have made the greatest sacrifice as well as all those injured and who will not ever be the same again; as well as for all those still there serving our country!!! What a mess . . . I'm just stupified!!!

Robert K (437)
Friday May 25, 2007, 11:02 am
Thanks you exceptional people - such understanding is the greatest thing one can behold Through all the neocon atrocities...causing a million Iraqis to die, demolising their country, 2 million left the country and such pain, suffering and loss on both sides over dam lies and deception. Doesn't it make you sick, they impeached Clinton over a personal matter that didn't cost a trillion dollar, destroy the ecosystem, or get anyone killed. All I know to say is PROTEST, PROTEST, PROTEST. But as mentioned above the bu$hCons are still doing buisness as usual. For example -

This Is Not a 'Compromise,' It's a Blank Check

By John Nichols

The Nation blog
May 23, 2007 (copy and paste for complete article)

The question is not whether House Speaker Nancy Pelosi
and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid flinched in their
negotiations with the Bush administration over the
continuation of the Iraq occupation.

They did. Despite some happy talk about benchmarks that
have been attached to the Iraq supplemental spending
bill that is expected to be considered by Congress this
week, the willingness of Pelosi and Reid to advance a
measure that does not include a withdrawal timeline
allows Bush to conduct the war as he chooses for much
if not all of the remainder of his presidency. This
failure to abide by the will of the people who elected
Democrats to end the war will haunt Pelosi, Reid and
their party - not to mention the United States and the
battered shell that is Iraq.

This 'compromise' legislation is such an embarrassing
example of what happens when raw politics overwhelms
principle - and political common sense - that House
Democrats have divided the $12O billion measure into
two sections. That will allow Republicans and sold-out
Democrats to vote for the president's Iraq funding,
while anti-war Democrats and their handful of
Republican allies can vote 'no.' Then both Democratic
camps can vote separately for the second section -
including a federal minimum-wage increase and more than
$8 billion in funding for domestic programs - while
Republicans oppose this section.

Martin K (80)
Friday May 25, 2007, 12:07 pm
Good posting Robert, I will add comments later ,for people still think and believe our government is the cause of this war, another planned event in world history. The brainwashing every institution in the USA, has been done and created by the Tavistock people, which I will address later.
Every Royal family is involved in the New World Order, as is our countries most elite. The UK still controls the US, and most all of western Europe.
The Zionist block,UK,West India Trading Company,Scull and Death (bones),the Bilderberghers,Illuminati (Opus Dei),33 degree free-masons, are all related in the cause for the NWO.
The Kennedy's were killed (assinated) for 3 major changes JFK was planning to do . 1) disband the CIA,2) do away with the corrupt Federal Reserve Bank,and issue non interest money from our mints,#0 no nuclear weapons for Israel, and a forth get out of Vietnam. All this has been written about.
Earl Warren,Henry Kissenger, John Foster Dulles,are all members of The Committee of 300,those who control the events in the world.
Every war, The Bolshevik Revolution,French Rev.,WW1,WW11,Korea,Vietnam,Balkan war,Irag war were all PLANNED EVENTS. Created for the benefit of the Rotschilds,and all other wealthy Eliteists world wide. We are talking Trillionaires with The Rothschild family.
So much more to get into, yet I am not that fluid a typist (hunt and peck) .
I shall write again giving as much info as I can on Tavistock,the Best Kept Secret in America.
Peace To all.

Maureen S (122)
Friday May 25, 2007, 2:20 pm
Thanks for the added post Martin; and Boots you are truly STELLAR!!! =) One thing I will say as regards the "so called compromise" that the Democrats pulled off . . . or it was the "compromise point" and that is a raise in the NATIONAL MINIMUM WAGE. This was tucked inside that appropriations bill. Let's hope that Bush signs it without looking to closely or he's sure to veto it again; and then . . . that may be what the Democrats want, in which case it was excellent strategy on their parts!!! One of those situations where they "fought fire with fire;" if he vetoes it on the premise that there is an increase of $2.15/hr., then he shows he TRULY DOESN'T care to all!!! (We all know that he doesn't, however for those lemmings out there . . . it could be the Tipping Point! =D) . . . and if he signs it, then they played the game by his rules and voila . . . what goes around comes around!!! hee hee

Martin, I shall look forward to the comments about the Tavistocks. Major green stars Boots!

Daniel Barker (35)
Friday May 25, 2007, 4:43 pm
How many children do you have (have none). How many miles do you drive (less than 7,500) How much meat do you eat (less than six pounds a year). How big is your home (live in a modest home).

We all suport President Bush - when we overeat meat, drive too much, homes too big, fancy appliances, too many children. The Republicans are honest about their hypocrisy - they admit they are destroying the planet. Liberals destroy the planet and want everybody else to live by their rules.

How many celebrities accuse Bush of the illegal war and oil profit and want us to use less oil - all of them. How many of these same celebrities fliy in private jet - all but two (Mr Spiderman comes from humble background and lives modestly, Ed Begley drives an electric car).

Henry Rockwood (4)
Friday May 25, 2007, 4:48 pm
First everyone needs to know that noone mentioned in this article is a true conservative. These are people with an agenda which is the destruction of our republic. We can be thankful that enough thinking Americans woke up before the 2006 elections to give the Democratic party control of congress are we would now be witnessing a push to allow George W. Bush to run for another term as President.
The so called neo-cons and the leaders of the religious right want one thing and one thing only - full dictatorial power over everything that happens in this country. No, I do not believe that even these folks would be low enough to have orchestraed 9/11 but we must remember that prior to that date Bush's popularity was on the down swing an even people in his own party were beginning to have doubts about the ability of their party to retain control. The attack of 9/11 certainly played right into the hands of those who want to control this nation. Were warning signs ignored? Maybe. Was our retaliation in Afganistan a sham with no real intend to capture Bin Laden? Hey, if we had actually destroyed the boogie man who would we have to fear?
I have to chuckle because back in the 60's several publications attributed to the John Birch society and other reactionary groups delivered warnings that this country was headed in this direction and they were dismissed as "right wing nut case" propoganda.

Kari D (192)
Friday May 25, 2007, 7:40 pm
Great Job Boots! You did it again!

Sharon D (91)
Friday May 25, 2007, 9:14 pm
Daniel Luke diaz: I couldn't have said it better.

Robert K (437)
Friday May 25, 2007, 10:06 pm
The necons or new conservatives with Reagan, Bush Sr. PNAC/ Bush Jr. et al has brought conservatism a long way. Conservatism's traditional fiscal responsibility beginning with the Reagan coverts and the Iran/Contral drug cartels and mafia rackateers flying airplane loads of cocaine back from Central America to put on the streets of US cities to pay for the illegal weapons the conservatives sent to the Dictator Somaso to overthrow the Sandinistas, a Nicaraguan govt. of the people, was a shoot full of holes. Then besides this felonious activity while Reagan was the GOP commander-in-chief or overseer, enigmatically he was memorialized as a great president, even though the scandal was insidiously notorious. And nonetheless during his reign he spent more tax payer money than all the other Presidents prior to his time put together. In this aspect there has been very little differnence betweern Reagan and Bush Jr. with the GOP spinmeisters declaring debt is good....whereas the National debt. is now approaching 8 trillion dollars ,with China our long time arch enemy being one of our biggest creditors. And the trade deficit is running in the red billions of dollars a year, whereas the US paper currency is now worth 3 cents.
Than the right wing or conservative crowd call the MSM the Liberal media yet the media conglomerates and their CEO's donate approx. 75% of their political funding to the GOP or Republican Party. Whereto artful journalists like Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Coulter, Hannity, Novack, Mona Charen, Pat Buchanan, Cal Thomas, Billly Kristol, Michael Reagan e.g., spin the Liberal Media as do the conservative prower brokering elite with their Carlyle Group, K Street Stragedy, House of Saud, House of Bush Saudi Royals et al..
And now the biggest disaster brought on by the PNAC neocon conservatives is the prearranged, misleading, and deceptive Iraq war. The felonious activities and corrupt GOP scandals with the likes of Tom Delay, Duke Cunningham, Grover Norquist, Wolfawitz, Scotter Libby, Gonzales, Rove, Ralph Reed, Cheney, Halliburton/KBR and inestimable others the destructive beat goes on...and the neocon conservative imperalistic aggressive attack on the defenceless county of Iraq to steal away their oil and establish US permanent military bases to take care of and protect Big Oil Special Interests controlling then what belongs to the Iraqi people. And all this at the expense and excruciating maiming and deaths of young american soldiers, and a million Iraqis that appear to be unending. And this does not touch conservative nuclear bomb proliferation, land mine proliferation, withdrawal of the Kyoto Environmental Summit and the destruction of the environment, monopolizing the air waves, weakening or disolving most social programs, education and health care for all its citizens. And to control Iraq oil here is the conservative reason for the war --

AL KAMEN, WASHINGTON POST - For all those who keep whining about how the
government can't do anything right, we're happy to report that the
massive New Embassy Compound in Baghdad, the biggest U.S. embassy on
earth, is going to be completed pretty much as scheduled in August. The
bad news is that it appears it's not going to have enough housing for
all the employees who'll be moving to the 27-building complex on a
104-acre tract of land -- about the size of the Vatican, two-thirds the
size of the Mall -- within the Green Zone. In fact, our new man in
Baghdad, Ambassador Ryan Crocker, is said to be concerned that, while
there are more than 600 blast-resistant apartments in the NEC, there's a
need for several hundred more apartments. . .

Crocker's home in the NEC -- which one source said was about 16,000
square feet -- is expected to be ready. Ditto deputy chief of mission
Daniel Speckhard's cottage, which is a cozy 9,500 square feet. In
addition to office buildings, the complex, located on the banks of the
Tigris River, will have a pool and gym and a 17,000-square-foot
commissary and food court building.

The NEC will also have its own water supply, power plant and
waste-treatment facility so it doesn't have to rely on the Iraqis for
essential services. All this for only $592 million. Well, that was the
original price tag.


Susan Duncan (25)
Friday May 25, 2007, 11:29 pm
Now the latest word is that the White House is "considering" lowering troop levels drastically in 2008. What a coincidence that it is an election year. The Republicans will take credit for redeploying troops, voters will forget that it was the Democrats, and many citizens, who pressured the President into this move. Republicans will try to bestow the title of hero on Bush in an attempt to bolster their campaigns. The Democrats will not speak up. Business as usual.

Debbie Sequichie-Kerchee (53)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 9:37 am
Martin K., you are so totally on target with your comment, I applaud you! I agree with every word you have said, and all this info is so easily verified on the web. Everyone has access to it, so far anyway. Thank you!! Peace....

Robert K (437)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 10:09 am
Martin and UsdiGaduSequichie - my provinciality has really clobbered me here, along with many other things I might add. To my regret I still haven't gotten to 'The Committee of 300' and Travistock, The Best Kept Secret In America. But should I survive the onslaught we're facing I will. Thanks all you guys.

Past Member (0)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 10:22 am
YEAH MARTIN!!!!!!!!!! Great story Robert!

Robert K (437)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 2:36 pm
Walls As Enforcer Of Occupation
By Ghali Hassan

Robert K (437)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 2:37 pm
Pretexts are convenient tools to justify something else. The pretext
of weapons of mass destruction used to justify the illegal aggression
against Iraq. If American leaders are interested in the “security”
and “protection” of Iraqi civilians, there is no better solution than
ending the, which is demanded by overwhelming majority of the Iraqi
people. Building walls around Iraqi towns and suburbs looks like a
pretext for something else.

Together with the illegal and violent invasion of Iraq, the Americans
have brought with them a collection of Western-oriented criminals and
Iranian extremists, and an old bag full of terrorism, bloodshed, a
culture of sadistic torture and a catalogue of violations of
international laws. They have also brought with them imperialism
tools of communalisation and fragmentation of society: dividing one
Iraqi community against the other and one faction against the other.

Robert K (437)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 3:04 pm
U.S. show of force in Gulf alarming: Afghan paper 26 May 2007 A U.S. navy show of force on Iran's doorstep is "greatly alarming" for the region and the United States risked a bloody quagmire if it invaded Iran, a state[as opposed to corporate]-run Afghan newspaper said on Saturday. A large flotilla of U.S. ships entered the Gulf on Wednesday in a dramatic show of military muscle, adding to pressure on Iran.

This is ... greatly alarming news for the whole region lest American invaded Iran and create a blood bath of its people and another quagmire for itself," the newspaper said in an editorial.

The U.S. show of force comes less than two weeks after Vice President Dick Cheney, speaking aboard a warship during a tour of the Gulf, said Washington would stand with others to prevent Iran gaining nuclear weapons and "dominating the region".


Past Member (0)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 4:37 pm
This president and his pals need to be hung by their balls...until they rot.

Kevin Carty (10)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 7:29 pm
Can you believe how well the democratic congress and senate arent working thats what your votes have gotten us.

Janie Villarreal (8)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 9:07 pm
Naajia, Now, now. You forgot to indicate that there be weights hung on to the dubya and his cronies as they are hung...... til they rot. Maureen, I think that everyone can see where these poor excuses of administration are doing, it's just that, what can anyone do? We need to have a massive amount of people that want to get together, in one voice repeat what we know. We need to find a way this administration can be impeached and take all their scum with them. Yes, we have elections coming up, but can you just imagine how much more damage they are going to do before they leave office? It seems all we can do is talk about it but nothing can be done to fix anything. It's not like they hide like the robber does to steal from us, they are doing it in broad day light and we all see it. If you have any suggestions aside from the one I just indicated, let's all get together to get them out, or something to be done about it. I just saw a question asked; Do You want vice pres cheney impeached? I started to fill it out, of course checked yes, but what is the purpose of this? Will he get impeached? Where is the question for Bush impeachment? They both are in on it all. I live in what they rigged to make Texas a Republican State; I am NOT Republican, but they make Texas a Republican voting State. This is how they work.

Janie Villarreal (8)
Saturday May 26, 2007, 9:21 pm
Democrats are trying to work for us, the opposing team is: what it is, opposing. Clinton left a positive figure in the whitehouse, so Democrats Do work and can do for us, whereas, Repubs just put us waaaaay down below minus figures. Democrats are working and have a very thick resistance between them the Repubs who will push, like football cheering, waaaay back, thus, not allowing Democrats to get anything in for us. Like I mentioned what Repubs did to us Dems so that we would not have say so in anything.

Donna B (13)
Sunday May 27, 2007, 12:32 am
Robert, thank you for posting this. "The Smirking Chimp" site has been a wonderful repository for facts and truths--much to the chagrin of Bush/Cheney and the rest of the war-mongering administration and U.S. media & populace that refuse to listen to exposes of the numerous insidious and otherwise outright wrongdoings of our government .
I agree with Uhler's insightful , fact-filled article and his intelligent , keen analysis regarding the totalitarianism regime that has come into being , assisted and abetted heavily by media-lie- pandering and McCarthy-like induced fear tactics. Unfortuneately, "America's ignorant" continue to choose to remain ignorant and nothing will penetrate this 28-or whatever -percentage of Americans who lap up every single word spewed by right-wing media propaganda. All one needs do is take a look at American Society today: The media is controlled by the corporate funding which supports the Bush administration and his war; and, Orwellian-like, someone innoculous as Imus is fired for merely one stupid racist remark, and O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter et al ( not to mention the HUGE influence of " corporate-backed & funded 'christian' broadcasting")--continue their rampant , heavily funded , campaigns to support a bigoted, lying, pathetic status quo.
As Uhler points out, George Kennan put it very succinctly almost 6 years ago: ..."Bush is a "profoundly shallow" man. ( I think that's quite an understatement!). In spite of the lies, the arrogance, the stealing of freedoms, the continued right wing propaganda supported by corporations keeps this horrid administration in office. Uhler again quotes Kennan as saying "..."Bush promised to rid the world of evil". ( ????) !! Any logical ,fact-finding , even halfway-educated person would ask, ..."Then why doesn't he step down now, in pure embarrassment for his simpleton remarks and outright fabrications of every single issue"? We know the answer to that. However, we on Care2 are some of the more "enlightened" folks who apparently retain an ability to think and ask questions, who have the ability to reason, and we seem to all be deeply saddened and sickened with the continual demise of what we once thought we would have forever ... civil rights, the right to actually elect officials who truly care and represent the majority's needs, ...a president who actually honored the Constitution rather than calling it "A Goddamned piece of paper"... We , here on Care2, and other internet forums, can see through quite easily at not only this administration and their unending , daily B.S., but we also note O'Reilly's manipulations of his most intelligent guests, and we can also see the profound ignorance uttered by, or written by , Limbaugh, Coulter, and their cohorts. We KNOW our basic rights are violated, as this administration continues with it's corporate profiteering agenda uninterrupted , justifying every ridiculous move it makes with the asinine, too-oft repetitive fear -speak/dumb-speak "It's because of terrorism we're doing this" admonition. Impeachment seems to be merely only a word in the dictionary. So--we all know the facts, and the ignorance prevails--what can we do? Personally, I am quite sickened by anything in the "news" media today, except for Air America, the various "liberal" internet sites, and other truthful sources. ( BBS is even blatantly slanted against America now). These sources continue to list the atrocities of this administration, and most all agree, ( "72%", per latest poll) ---and still, there isn't anything happening to END this outright insanity !!! Congress flaps it's collective lips, but "Checks and Balances" is a notion of the past. In most of the postings, everyone agrees-- SOMETHING needs to change, and SOON. However, I have yet to see any suggestions as to what "we, the people", can do, collectively, [ besides vote, sign petitions, write articles, post articles to inform, participate in marches, write letters to editors, boycott a corporation for a day, write to Congress, reps, etc.-- those efforts, sadly, have seemingly, been vastly minimized and/or downright ignored so far by any entity with any power to change the current state of things ]. I feel that the 2008 election is already a circus, and that whomever is "elected" willl remain embroiled in the corruption that has stripped us of any real semblance of "democracy" ; The next "elected" president possibly shall remain a puppet of the conspiracy (?) that's been in progress for many years,( "elected" is in quotes because I believe that our election process has been proven to be dishonest and extremely flawed , and the last 2 elections certainly has shown that) . Will our next president still only be a "puppet" of a larger power controlling this country? Why can't 72% of us DO SOMETHING, to change the course of history? Any suggestions short of an actual Revolution? ( which I don't believe any majority of the 72% would even participate in...obviously, it takes more than boycotting gas stations one day, or boycotting the major oil companies...or petitions, protests, etc. ). I feel we're just being laughed at-- as a smirking administration continues it's course of corruption and ridiculous domineering foreign policies, ignoring the Constitution, U.N., the Geneva Convention, our populace, and infuriating leaders of almost every ally we used to have.

Robert K (437)
Sunday May 27, 2007, 1:07 am
I tried to reply to this earlier and it did not go through!!!!! See what this one does

Maureen S (122)
Monday June 4, 2007, 1:21 pm
Greetings Boots and all others here with the awareness and truth they carry inside . . . and the fairness that they bring to the table! Conflict is a socially constructed arena which is there to serve an agenda . . . and as several have pointed out in various ways, the agenda is the destruction of the Republic known as the United States of America and the Constitution! However, we will not fail because we carry truth, fariness, justice and love . . . and of course CARING . . . so all I can say for this administration and all of its horrible neocon servants . . . "Be afraid; be very afraid!" =)

Blue Bunting (855)
Monday July 16, 2007, 4:05 pm
“Baghdad” Bill Kristol Gets Punished In Washington Post Comments

Somehow, I don’t think Mr. Kristol knew just how much harmless ridicule was headed his way, but The Post should have. As I write this there are some 124 PAGES of comments and after reading nearly 40 of them I could only find one or two individual posts that were supportive of him.

“Why is the Post printing anything by that idiot Kristol? Who’s paying the Post to print this drivel?

“Criminy, kids hide your model sets Uncle Billy’s been huffing airplane glue again.”

“This piece was supposed to go in The Onion but missed their deadline.”

“The 27% is slipping away from Bush and the GOP. Fortunately for Kristol, these are the goobers who buy the penis extension pills and baldness remedies advertised on Limbaugh’s show. The point being that it doesn’t take a lot to schnooker them.You really need to drug-test your contributors before printing delusional fantasies such as this.”

“What bothers me most about Kristol’s idiodic posting is that I encoutered it in th Washington Post. What are the standards? What would be too stupid to print in the Post?”

*Update: There are now 200 pages of comments and still, no love for Baghdad Bill…

Filed Under: WaPo, Pundits, Right Wing Pundits, Fox News, George W. Bush


Blue Bunting (855)
Monday July 16, 2007, 5:14 pm
In this edition, Time Magazine Washington Bureau Chief Jay Carney acknowledges that Time magazine "star" columnist Bill Kristol is a mendacious hack.
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