Start A Petition

USA Tent "Cities" Rise As Economy Crumbles - News Video

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: obama, obama-administration, politics, government, democrats, republicans, u.s., congress, foreclosures, economy, jobs, unemployment, debt, interesting, news, 2012, business, ethics, america, americans, video, corruption, fraud, dishonesty )

- 2370 days ago -
Tent cities are springing up and enlarging across the U.S. as more families are being forced to the streets to fend for themselves. Meanwhile politicians such as President Obama continue to carry on their defraud by giving money to corrupt bankers!!

Select names from your address book   |   Help

We hate spam. We do not sell or share the email addresses you provide.


PinkMindy Ellinwood (567)
Monday December 26, 2011, 8:27 am

Ohhh what a ponderous web of lies these politicians continue to weave, as they hope that you will keep looking the other way!!

Some financial advisers are warning that America is heading for a fall in the Fall (o/a October-November 2012), so by then this video may become purely academic, as it will surely no longer matter to any of us ...

Because then we shall all be living in these tent cities ...

But Obama = 1% Rich Elite and He along with His family have forgotten what it's like (did they ever really know???) to be a part of the starving 99% ...

And they will still NOT have to care in the very least!!!

Phyllis P (237)
Monday December 26, 2011, 1:50 pm
Well isn't this a sad statement????

Jae A (316)
Monday December 26, 2011, 4:44 pm
I actually thought maybe this tme Pink hadn't gone with an anti-Obama opinon piece or just an Obama bashing one in general...but I see I was wrong. Yes Pink...Obama is still Black by all appearence.

Too bad Dubya and his rich banker/assorted big corporate buds took all the money and ran leaving so many people in such bad conditions but that's the way it goes when the GOP rightwing/libratarians give the government over to the corporates isn't it..........

Past Member (0)
Monday December 26, 2011, 7:47 pm
Jae ~ you play the race card with every hand. Cut, paste. Cut, paste. However, I see you forgot "yawn" and "in my opinion."

"Foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Emerson

In my opinion.

James W (257)
Monday December 26, 2011, 8:07 pm
JOEY.JOEY,JOEY Will you ever grow up?????

Jae A (316)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 1:01 am
...::politicians such as President Obama continue ....and with that quote it appears that the story isn't about 'homeless' as much as it is a thinly veiled attempt to use anti-Obama B.S. to mask racism. ...and to me , posted for the purpose of racist purposes only as no other reason to post this type of tabloid B.S. using the homeless in America to troll for other my opinion.

James...what's with the "Joey Joey Joey" about childish behavior that's pretty much the heigth of it. Nicknames...many have them...many change theirs so what's you F' n point James ..? Same as Andaynomail...not to comment about the topic only to make personal comments about my self ? If the racist shoe fits wear it I say and those who cry about others 'playing the race card " I've learned that they are often the most racist of that the case here I wonder ?

How about an opinon, good bad or whatever, about the topic..and then go for comments about other posters...or least pretend that you came to the thread for something other than your on call status as lap dogs for ....a poster perhaps...or who may have just by accident stumbled upon the thread to post comments about myself and nothing about the...topic.

Pink...this is more fun than I expected just a few few weeks. Outing racist is a dirty business but what the heck...maybe that's a job for Joey or...? ...whoever finds lame attemps at threads with leading titles about other issues but that end up being just threads by some be used to express their racist mindsets about Obama...Obama bashing for no other purpose as I often view them to be...and I do believe this one to be just another such thread. Using the homeless people situation to go racist trolling in my opinion. How about a story/article from Pink about the homeless and their problems and how they are such today due to ...the fact that we are seeing the results of eight years of Duyba Bush..his oil and baker buds ...and that the homeless are kept there due to the GOP congress currently ? Of course that wouldn't be opening the thread up to standard Obama bashing for any purpose other than ...well you know...but if not for some...stay tuned, and maybe you'll figure it out sooner or later as more threads of this type are posted on care2 is my suggestion.

Cut and Andy______ , I take the time to type it out each time unless I state that it is a copy and paste opinion. You really don't pay attention to details do you..?

Jae A (316)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 1:13 am
FYI...James W...since you seem to be so interested in birth name was Joseph Carroll Turner Jr. you really know all about me don't you....sure you do. At least you know one or two things for certain since you don't seem to know as much as you thought you did perhaps ...and that is that I am gay and a lot of things but one thing I am not is a Racist. That's more than I can say about some commenters....maybe even some of those on this thread ?

As for back to the topic...changing presidents is not the answer to much if anything I believe we are under a putocracy government system that will just keep passing the, from all appearence,fascist agenda via Congress and local government officals. The homeless need help...and they sure as hell aren't going to get any from those who put the newest members of the homeless on the streets...the GOP/TeaBagger Congress members..via the huge kick start given to them by ...Dubya dumb assss Bush and his assorted war profiteer buddies. That is why the homeless numbers are rising...DUBYA and the present day GOP/TeaBagger my opinion. :-)

Jae A (316)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 1:22 am
Perhaps James W would like to tell us his full name...and maybe Andy_____ would like to join in and do the same since James is playing some sort of 'childish' name game. By the by ..once again James W...what the F" is your point with this 'out of the blue' Joey name game anyway ? If there is a point to it. Perhaps it's just another lame attempt to do anything on the thread but post a comment about the topic or to take attention away from the opinons of others about the topic or ...????

Jae A (316)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 2:00 am
IN the comment of mine dated: Tuesday December 27, 2011, 1:13 am
.... I left out the word..."torch'..when I said '...passing the , " ...

Jae A (316)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 2:09 am a side note..the President, current one nor those in the past alone can give tax dollars or borrowed money to anyone...that is the job of .....Congress. He can approve a budget,that's about it and there is a lot within a budget...a lot of 'riders' placed there by the GOP in congress as well as funds taken away from many other areas .... Again..Congress hands decides where the money goes or doesn't go......not a President. You might want to take a course on government ..or perhaps just read a book on how our system of government works when it comes to who decides who gets and who doesn't get funding ...or you can just keep posting the misleading titles and articles about Obama giving money to whoever which he can't do for starters...Your choice of course.

Jussss say'n.......... :-)

Jae A (316)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 2:16 am
Last thought for the moment....I did read the title..."...politicians such as Obama...' and the subject of homeless/tent cities etc. to which I have already responded to above as to what I think of well as my thoughts about those politicans such as the GOP in congress. I still see no other purpose of this thread than for possible racist trolling using the homeless issue to try and mask doing so as anything other than.

Jae A (316)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 2:24 am
..Moments later :-)...Gee it's after 2 a.m. and still no rightcrazywing/TeaBaggre and or FakeXtian calvary have arrived. I am disapointed but I will try and return later today just in case it does. I await answers from James and Andy____ but I doubt they will guess is that they will probably just ask questions as if they are answers or make personal comments about myself that they seem to find more intereting to them than the topic of homelessness in this nation is...or so it appears to me on this thread to be the case

Jae A (316)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 2:43 am
Hey James...I believe that the term 'grown up' suggest that one has stopped growing...mentally as well as physically no , if your 'Joey' comment was aimed in my direction....I personally prefer to keep growing instead of the alternative of stop growing. To each their own would also be a part of my answer as to the question ask of 'Joey'.

Dang , it's late and still no Calvary...I think it looks like someone isn't sending out enough calvary messages..but there is still time for them to do so...but if not.....I've enjoyed the early morning hours all the same.. so thanks for that opportunity once again Pink.

PinkMindy Ellinwood (567)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 4:24 am

Obama and his family or his administration does not care if we all are forced out of our homes and have to live in some tents (Obama = 1% Rich Elite), and even if some of you still 'believe' in Obama's broken promise (and the many broken promises of Campaign 2008) of 'Hope & Change' ...

Even if Obama really cared about the 99% in the streets, He is perpetually trapped inside a GOP gridlock and therefore has been rendered ineffective, which means U.S. stagnation!

However, Obama has yielded the American people's will over to the Washington D.C. Lobbyists and Special Interest Groups that are roaming through the White House and continuing to rob America blind ... And Obama along with his other politician buddies are still funneling our honest hard-working money (while we still have jobs, that is!) into their personal corrupt banking system.

No, I believe that 'Hope & Change' has been officially deceased since 2009 and that we should look elsewhere for a brighter future, because only ...


Obama Fails On Promises @ The Spectrum

Obama Year Three: Continuing His Rogue Agenda @ The People's Voice

PinkMindy Ellinwood (567)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 6:58 am

I do believe I see some old-time Campaign 2008 Pro-Obama rhetoric being opinionated upon this post, but they do have a right to be heard as well.


PinkMindy Ellinwood (567)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 7:28 am

... Just some more lame excuses, crutches and whines; with secret sobbing moans in the silent and dark background.

Diane O (194)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 8:01 am
The election in 2012 is very important. If Obama is re-elected we will have another credit rating downgrade one I fear we cannot recover from so in that spirit of wanting to save my country I will do all I can to bring the facts about Obama to Care 2 and other political websites. This isn't the dress rehearsal, folks, we are in the play and we can have a standing ovation in November when President Obama goes back to Chicago. We all should've known early in 2009 when President Obama went around the world apologizing for our great country that we had a chameleon in Washington DC. Obama admitted he is "lazy" so vote him out and elect someone with the endless energy it takes to lead a country towards continued success.

Sheryl G (360)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 10:26 am
I have read the comments on this thread and also viewed the video. I have many who are linked to me, some send news stories, others do not. I try, as I can to look at those who send me news stories as I send some out myself here and there.

I have one who sends me news that constantly bashes the Republicans in general, and frankly, although I'm not a big fan of what the Republicans are doing today nor in the past since the Reagan era, I find it rather tedious to keep receiving Republican Bashing stories. I therefore only comment on those stories that I feel I can offer something beyond what many go to that persons news to join in the Republican Bashing.

The same tired statements......he or she is an idiot, they are evil, they blah blah blah. I agree, under the Republicans we've suffered for they have played into the hands of Corporate America and we have unfunded Wars that our Grandchildren will still be paying for. The list is endless.

However, I'm equally tired of the Obama Bashing. It seems it isn't about the whole Democrat Party as it is with the Republicans, but the focus goes onto Obama alone. Now I'm not a great fan of his, I have felt since the first of it that he was pushed along in the now RIGGED elections, and the elections are rigged. Just watch HACKING DEMOCRACY and see how easy it is to do. I also lived in the very community that had 16,000 votes missing, so I know all about "Where is my vote?" as the Iranians felt. I say the same.

To me he was a pawn in the game. The blacks were furious as were other minorities after the 8 disgraceful years of Bush. The poor whites suffer along with the minorities.....this system has been rigged for years, since the Federal Reserve of 1913, but after Reagan got in, the system really started to go to hell in a hand basket. And the Democrats with Bill Clinton helped it along with NAFTA and the removal of Glass-Steagall.

To quiet the masses, poor, and minorities......give them false Hope and a non white face. Hey, remember the jubilation after the election? The anger that was building up was released, and the people thought, that a man of color would understand how it feels to be sinking. Smoke and mirros to the angry crowd. And do remember, Obama alone can't do it alone, much goes through the House and Congress BEFORE it lands on his desk. Could he have done more? Yes, he could, but can he? That is the question. Who is behind Obama? In fact who was behind Bush?

Notice the dumbing down of the Presidential pool. Are they Statesmen? (women) or puppets WILLING to speak the lines basically handed to them. In return they get rewards, their families taken care of, they have good health care, they go into the history books as the first black President, the perks are wonderful in Washington no matter what position one is in. But WHO put them there? Who controls who gets in? Who is in control of the media? If you think it's the Republicans or the Democrats then you miss the REAL POWER.

So while everyone is fighting among themselves, oh the idiot Republicans and the stupid Democrats, I hate donkeys bcause elephants are better or vice versa, wave my donkey flag wave my elephant flag, the ones in Power are laughing at us all. ha ha ha ha ha

The noose is growing tighter, and the people living in tent cities will keep growing. The Powerful will have us all in tent cities they frankly do not care. China has those with money, Australia has people with money, there are people in Brazil with money. They don't give a crap if every American has a home or not, they make their money in other ways....they do not need you.

The Powerful keep YOU busy with the infighting, the pointing of fingers, and all it gets everyone is angry at someone who doesn't have any more power than yourself.


You look BEHIND the candidates and the labels of Parties.


We throw off the lables and name calling and......UNITE.

If we don't unite, come up with an alternavite way of living and that would include our own economic system to bypass the Powerful economic system. We MUST we HAVE to start using our creative energies to UNITE.

Certainly call those who are in elected seats out.....BUT CALL THEM ALL OUT.

Who signed the National Defense Authorization Act? Call them out.
Election Reform.....
Alternative economic systems.....
Green must be done by us. If the Leaders do not lead then individuals will need to move forward and the Leaders will have to join in or step aside.
We need to Unite....young, old, poor and not so poor, blacks, whites, hispanic, the ones who can check "other", gay, straight, right handed and left handed, those with curls, those who are bald, red heads, it matters not, if you move in your wheel chair, walker, or can briskly walk or run, we all need to join and become ONE.

If we do not......all of us or anyone of us.....can be the next ones living in the woods. Living in Florida the woods are full of tent cities and so we are well on our way of becoming a bananna Republic. We also can't just place blame upon those who are in elected office, we all are to blame if we did nothing to prevent it from getting to this point.

But too many turned a blind eye, watching TV, gossiping about the neighbor and who was coming and going out of their door, too worried about should I wear the red dress or the blue dress to the party, what team will win the super bowl, and while we were all doing this or that.....we forgot to be CITIZENS PROTECTING OUR REPUBLIC. And we don't protect our Republic by sending our sons and daughters.....over there.

Where was the majority of Americans when these LIES of Wars started? I was alone standing on the street with my NO MORE VIETNAM sign NO TO IRAQ. Where was everyone? So we need to learn to do thing PRO-active not after the fact. And you will not know when to be proactive if you keep pointing the fingers at the other party. Look at your own it out as well as the other side....the crooks are in BOTH PARTIES.


Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 3:58 pm
Good to know. Thanks for sharing.

. (0)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 5:01 pm
Choose carefully folks and believe doesn't look too good out there. Corruption has existed since the beginning of time and isn't going away anytime soon. I don't care which party you like

Ian MacLeod (79)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 6:21 pm
Hi, Dandelion - well said!

I'm occasionally flabbergasted that people still don't get it, they're still waiting for Obama to "find his mojo" or, on the other side, have a heart attack, a stroke, or maybe die of Laughneresque lead poisoning. At this point how we got here hardly matters, does it? Anyhow, it is no longer just the Republicans (and hasn't been for much longer than Dems are willing to admit to); they just contain a lot more of the political/Dominionist (Evangelical) lunatic fringe, but they're ALL guilty. Even the handful who did vote for the NDAA could have warned their constituents a long time ago about what's really happening in D.C. And there's still a lot of BS going around that people won't look at - like that 8% unemployment. It's more like twice that or a bit more - at least. Anything at this point that doesn't directly address the problem is DISTRACTION. Distraction #1 isn't even Obama - he's as predictable as a windup toy now. Which he was from the start. MOST of the "politics" we're seeing is the same - distraction. And there's so much of it you almost need a shovel to clear a path, or a well-organized list or something. But we need that path, folks, and we all need to use it at the same time. This petty squabbling has got to stop NOW! Our Congress is trying to wrap us in chains, they're throwing away or selling every possible resource that we will need, and making sure that as few of us as possible even CAN "prepare," much less resist them. 3/4 of the laws passed since 9-11 have been unconstitutional. The destruction of the economy has been deliberate. Some states are recalling the traitorous Congresspeople who voted for the NDAA, but 'way too few. We're being poisoned by 9/10 of what there is to eat, chem-trails in the air with fluoride containing cadmium and other trash in the air, poisons in the eat, in and on the veggies (especially the GMOs, which we can't really tell whether they're GMO or not). probably 99.9% of all processed "foods"... et cetera. Water is going to be a REAL problem, and power, and EVERYTHING is too expensive. The clock is ticking, we're getting sicker, poorer, weaker, and more and more becomes illegal with every bill that becomes law. It really is that close my friends. At this point we either work together or give up on everything we ever thought was American for an unknown number of generations, and by then there will have been no America for a long, long time at best. When your front wheels are over the edge and that edge is starting to crumble, somebody had damned well better come up with SOMEthing,and we'd better go at it TOGETHER, or WHOEVER is responsible at basis we're ALL in deep yogurt... Time to throw partisan politics out the window and start working together!


Jerry B (128)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 8:54 pm
Noted, and I agree with Toni big time..thanks Mindy!

Parvez Zuberi (7)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 10:11 pm
Tent cities will rise unless the present President Obama Govt continue to follow Bush the War Criminal policies ,it is high time that all the forces are called back home and stop war and save money which can be spend on the welfare of the poor people

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 10:33 pm
It was interesting that back in the 80s during my 20s, I kept having this feeling that I could live in a Tent. Am now think that that feeling came from above. What, with OWS, and many main issues coming together, like minding our own bs overseas and getting sound money...

Rajph Nader says it right, ''The only difference between the 2 parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations come knocking on their door. That's the only difference.''

Ian MacLeod (79)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 12:55 am
"Is this the same America that forces Democrasy on other nations around the world"

No, Ros. It's the one that SAYS it is, then blows the shit out of it, occupies it, terrorizes the populace and steals whatever is there that attracted the "elite's" or the Pentagon's attention in the first place.


Jae A (316)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 2:04 am
Danelion ....and Ian I believe said it spot on covering the scope of the situation. I hope all will read each of their comments. I posted this comment,in part,earlier but apparently it failed to post properly.

..and yes, I think Nader was right on also..thanks Michael for passing that reminder on ....

Arild Gone for now (174)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 2:15 am
Kudos to Dandelion for her post,Divide and Conquer seems to be the way forward in the US.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 2:44 am
I heard on the news yesterday that Obama is asking to borrow more money. Isn't it time Americans asked:


Whether Obama wins the next election or not, he walks away a very rich man. Unlike millions of disenfranchised Americans who worked hard and now have a tent to call home and millions of starving American children.

This is the first year I heard a message sent out internationally asking for the world to donate to 'FEED THE CHILDREN' on behalf of starving children in the USA. Mr Obama go away, please.


JustaHuman Here (53)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 5:03 am
What about Americans joining together and helping each other? Or is this country goind dowm on egoism and dreaming an eternal American dream without awakening to reality. Show your leaders that you are the 99% with a value of 99% and not only a mass of unsatisfied people that is complaining.

It is a disappointment.

Jae A (316)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 5:36 am
Ian I would like to respond on something you stated above.."At this point how we got here hardly matters, does it? "
My thought is yes it does matter. As the ol say'n goes, it helps to learn by our mistakes,frist of all. Knowing where various aspects of problems began we can fine turn the solutions faster I believe....think 'reverse engineering' not to duplicate, unless wanting to duplicate the origion period prior to the problem beginning, but to bring to light and pin point where problems were as well as who caused them...are those people still around [in charge/involved] in areas that they could still be a part of the problem .. The most visable of those in our political scene are members of our U.S. Congress and local officals. Many have been there over the period of several Fed administrations'/Presidents. Perhaps it is one leader,,Dubya Bush being that one to many of us, who set things into OK mode,where the problems began to be visiable for the 99%, but it was the 'wheels' that continued on..via ...the other people 'in charge' who have created that which was 'OK'd' ,sotsay. I don't believe that we should not remember where problems began,peeked, and so forth as I really do believe that is how we can find solutions and avoid continuing on in the wrong direction. Too many felt that Obama should of been a vaccine for what others believed needed to be a cure. We are trying to treat the symptons still for/of the years that placed us where we are today..while the cure slips through our fingers possible...due to the division that was set in stone during 3/4 of the first eight years of the 2000''s. How things got to this point is important I believe but for reasons of understanding what/who went wrong and seek the cure,not just keep trying to treat the symptoms. Congress and local politicans are the carriers of our nations desease [Corporate Greed to name one]...and they are not invisable nor unknow..the people placed them there or we let them be placed there..but 'all' are things are curable in my opinion. It's the best way of going about it, now that division has cost us way too much time,that is of urgency in my opinion. Is it ever too late or if so must things caplasp before they can start to improve ?

Currently I feel that the Occupy movements are the peoples best voice and where unity could come from if people would only let it...From there..follow that reverse engerniering thought in order to go back far enough to pluck out the sour grapes perhaps.

Jae A (316)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 5:43 am
JustaHuman Here ...I imagine you as most of us have heard the phrase...'some things are just easier said than to accomplish' ,would apply to our nations crisis/list of problems currently. I believe that sometimes it's the complaints/dissatisfaction that kick starts the attention of the masses into awakening that is needed to force solutions to come about.

JustaHuman Here (53)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 6:48 am
It is the kind of thinking and feeling of people that makes them support each other. This has not anything to do with awakening. Either people have a warm heart and show compassion, or they do not.

If people are bad or ignorant and wake up (the way they can) they may think "oh shit, this is the world I am living in", but they will not show love and compassion because only because they woke up. One does not need to understand the world to be a helpful and be a loving person.

On the other hand, in a country that is struggling, those who are still getting along with live are holding their money back. This development is splitting the society and provides cheap workers for the rich.

But if people do not show a higher moral than their government, where is that country going to? The more a country gets down by crashing economy, masses of foreigners that destroy the culture and economy of the country and citizens that mind only when their own ass is in trouble, a country and it's society and culture is going down. Today’s policy is splitting the society. Only a common interest can stop or delay such a development. And do not forget: This development is irreversible.

What comes after this is a new order. And everyone will have to agree in this case that there is no way out.

What comes after this is a new order. And everyone will have to agree in this case that there is no way out.


cecily w (0)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 7:23 am
One expects that many banksters will be sleazy.

The basic problem is U.S. politicians (all parties). If they were doing their jobs--representing voters--the banksters would not be able to do what they do.

Legislators pay and percs have never been brought before the voters, and until they are these people will take everything they can get. Campaign finance and lobbying reforms are also necessary.

JustaHuman Here (53)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 7:40 am
The basic problem is the naive belief in policy. But at least it keeps you busy.

Jae A (316)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 7:54 am
JustalHumanHere said "What comes after this is a new order. And everyone will have to agree in this case that there is no way out. " I can see where that is one possible seneirio but I see others that are just as possible.

'Awakening': "A renewed interest in something; a sudden awareness". That is the definition I found in a 'web dictionary'. By this definition ..awakening... I think would stir ones comassion/love as well as passion/energy also and likely so...even if one did not have those 'out in the open',so to say, prior to 'awakening'. I say that as they would need them to follow up on their 'renewed interest and or sudden awareness'.
If one starts to define his own definations of the word then there is room for many translations as to what 'awakening' means to each individual, but as for my self I find that one adequate and one that fits my personal defination of the word and how it would apply to the discussion from my perspective fairly well also. :-)

Jae A (316)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 8:12 am correct at least one spelling error from my previoius post: "Scenario":....

JustaHuman Here (53)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 8:40 am

Yes the description of awakening is a wide field.

Awakening... I do not even if it is the right term for what I am talking about. It is depending on the personal development, curiosity and knowledge. Only those who want to see will see at all. But if people stay on track like in a religion, regularly info from TV, thinking in terms of common policy etc they will not wake up ever. When you wake up, you will find that it is only a beginning of a progress. Suddenly you see things you never saw before although they have always been in front of your eyes, you can create links between events that on first sight seem to have nothing to do with each other and so on. It is like drilling through the several layers of an onion. One thing is for sure. The stronger and unchangeable your picture is of the world, people, policy, society and so on, the less you have a chance for a real awakening.

Many things make people remain in a steady deep sleep. But two of them are the most important ones: Religion and TV.


Maria p (151)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 9:24 am
some how some way this entire goverment needs to change

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 9:36 am
I'd like to hear Paul talk of the North Dakota State Bank as the way out of the Fed, and would be how to keep capital in the States. It seems like it would fit right in with Kucinich's plans of putting the Fed under the treasury (Which now looks to be the other way around.) and print its own US Notes as Lincoln did, and fazing out fiat banking in 10 years. Those notes could be given to the State Banks for them to invest in the States.

If you add Worker Ownership Cooperatives, modeled after Mondragon, into the picture, we can end up with good jobs, with sound money. These Cooperatives are starting to pop up around America. They are a bottom up thing. Mondragon of the Basque use 10% of its profits for Social needs of the Community. It also owns its own bank, which reinvests in itself, along with a Collage that trains its worker owners.

Barbara W (342)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 12:09 pm
No surprise here. Good post Mindy. Sharing..

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 12:18 pm
Occupy USA Democracy is Coming Lyrics by Leonard Cohen As Arlo Guthrie says, ''Happy Everything and Occupy Everything. OWS to me, is what I've felt broiling inside of US since 1994


Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 2:28 pm
Mindyless: "Some financial advisers are warning that America is heading for a fall in the Fall (o/a October-November 2012), so by then this video may become purely academic, as it will surely no longer matter to any of us ...
Even if Obama really cared about the 99% in the streets, He is perpetually trapped inside a GOP gridlock and therefore has been rendered ineffective, which means U.S. stagnation!"
Just more Obama bashing with no purpose behind it.
You're purely a merchant of fear and chaos since anyone can see you don't say what to DO about any of it. Not even your once in a blue moon grunt for the Green Party.
Anybody can endlessly say how bad something is. Requires no skill, no brains, no nothing.
Sometimes I wonder if you even know what YOU"RE doing, let alone what anyone else is.

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 2:36 pm
I know of 2 women who are living out of thier car. Both wanted to move into my home.

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 2:38 pm
I might add ~ Both have long term drug problems.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 3:58 pm
Live in tents!

What keeps the criminals out?

Oh, I get it. They're all in congress!

Sharon L (132)
Wednesday December 28, 2011, 9:09 pm
I've seen similar fights before, and I'm sure they will go on. I've nothing to
add to the fights, nor am I great with words. What I did, I walked past
the big charity boxes, the big hands out that seem to never give a dime
to anyone in need. I didn't have much but the Vietnam Vet was grateful
for the coat and gloves and the ten dollars...all I had to spare him.
The best I can offer is stop the name calling game, go and find
someone you know needs a little help and then help them.

Terry King (113)
Friday December 30, 2011, 8:05 am
I understand that the GOP is now promising a "Hoover Hog" in every pot!

Past Member (0)
Friday December 30, 2011, 8:14 pm
Mindy shill, if you understood anything about government, you wouldn't come off as a total, dimwitted ass.

But you don't, so you do.


Micahel Dewey (1021)
Saturday December 31, 2011, 5:29 am
Arlo Guthrie has endorsed The Doctor. Does that make Arlo a racist? If Arlo had a speck of fear of any of the ''claimed" civil rights gains, ''they'' say we have made, Arlo would not want anything to do with the man.

Here are the issues as I see that has started OWS-Empire's-Territory. A couple are right on from Paul. A couple others are how to fix some concerns of us all. If we ever can get a sane life, the people will take care of Mother Earth. I don't think that the we are out of reach of getting under the that 350 parts of carbon, or such, in the air.

OWS is going to be what the people make it.

Since we need sound money. Lets gt out of the Fed. The best way I've heard is North Dakota's State Bank. Other States are studying how to do it.

We need affordable Healthcare. Vermont's and Montana's Single Payer could very well be worth other States checking out.

We have to close all over seas Military Bases, and put the Vets, and others to work rebuilding this Broken Promised Land?

Communities should study how to set up the Worker Ownership of the Mondragon Cooperative, of the Basque in Spain. Its a better way to work. Don't we all want that?

Past Member (0)
Saturday December 31, 2011, 3:20 pm
How the Right Wing Hijacked Rage Over the Economic Collapse and

Thomas Frank: How the Right Wing Hijacked Rage Over the Economic Collapse and Swindled America
Frank discusses one of the most important political developments of the Obama presidency: how the crash of 2007/8 served to strengthen the political right.
December 28, 2011

In his new book, “Pity the Billionaire,” Tom Frank turns his mordant eye on the unlikeliest political development of the Obama presidency: how the crash of 2008 served to strengthen the political right. The deregulation of Wall Street, championed for 30 years by right-wing leaders, had led to an economic catastrophe so frightening that the country elected a liberal Democrat to the presidency. Yet two years later, the most conservative faction of the Republican Party, the Tea Party, had taken effective control of the House of Representatives, the regulation of Wall Street had stalled, and the champions of economic deregulation in Washington had emerged stronger than ever.

Frank, author of the bestselling book “What’s the Matter With Kansas?” provides a pithy and nuanced explanation of what he calls the “hard-times swindle.” He spoke with Salon from his father’s home in Kansas City, Mo.

Early in the book, you describe the moment in the spring of 2009 when free-market economics had been so thoroughly discredited that Newsweek could run a cover story proclaiming, “We’re all socialists now.” What happened? Why did that moment dissipate?

I saw that cover so many times [at Tea Party events]. For these people, that rang the alarm bell. I think the AIG moment [when the bailed-out insurance behemoth used taxpayer relief to dole out huge bonuses to its executives] was in some ways the high point of the crisis, when [the politics] could have gone either way. There was this amazing public outrage, and that for me was the turning point. Newsweek had another cover, “Thinking Man’s Guide to Populism,” and I remember this feeling around the country, that people were just furious. Somehow the right captured the sense of anger. They completely captured it. You could say they had no right to it, but they did. And one of the reasons they were able to do it was because the liberals were not interested in that anger.

I’m speaking here of the liberal culture in Washington, D.C. There was no Occupy Wall Street movement [at that time] and there was only people like me on the fringes talking about it. The liberals had their leader in Barack Obama … they had their various people in Congress. But these people are completely unfamiliar with populist anger. It’s an alien thing to them. They don’t trust it, and they have trouble speaking to it. I like Barack Obama, but at the end of the day he’s a very professorial kind of guy. The liberals totally missed the opportunity, and the right was able to grab it.

Looking back on it, I feel like people like myself were part of the problem. We sort of assumed with the Democrats in power, the system would correct itself.

One of the problems with liberalism in this country is that it’s headquartered in Washington and its leaders are a very comfortable class of people. Washington is one of the richest cities in the country, maybe the richest. It’s not a place that feels the crisis, that feels the economic downturn. By and large, the real estate market stayed OK. The city continued to boom. The contracts continued to flow. What we’re talking about here is the failure of modern liberalism. At one time it was a movement of working-class people. The idea that liberals wouldn’t feel economic pain was ridiculous. That’s who liberals were. No more.

You write that after Obama took office, “market populism was the only utopian scheme available to disgruntled Americans.” There was no liberal utopian scheme that said, “Here’s how we get out of this.”

There wasn’t even a Rooseveltian scheme, which was not utopian but very practical. Just to talk about Roosevelt would have been fantastic. One of the research points in the book that I thought was really interesting … was the history of the bailouts in 1932 and 1933 — when the Hoover administration did a lot of bailouts. We don’t remember that. [These bailouts] were massively unpopular for the same reason they were unpopular this time around: really blatant cronyism. We don’t remember that a big part of Franklin Roosevelt’s campaign [in 1932] was to be against these bailouts. There were maybe five newspaper articles in 2008 that mentioned this pre-history of the bailouts. It just never came up.

It was like the party’s muscle memory of the New Deal was lost. With Obama the muscle memory of the Democratic Party is the Clintonian technocracy of the 1990s.

That’s exactly right. Their message was: The technocratic way is going to solve our problems. Just leave it up to the experts who are going to figure a way out. [Obama and the Democrats] seemed to think they didn’t need to dirty their hands by making a populist appeal. They did a lot of good things — the stimulus package of 2008 was good thing — but they didn’t realize you have to sell something like that. They were like, “We know what the answer is: Keynesian stimulus. So let’s just do it.” They didn’t understand that this nation only adopted Keynesian stimulus spending back in the 1930s amidst this terrible wrenching experience, the Depression, and an enormous campaign [by FDR] to tell the nation why this was necessary.

If you don’t sell it — if you just do this spending — well, people have a lot of suspicion of government handouts. Government debt bothers people for very obvious reasons. [Obama] didn’t make any effort to make the argument. It was just “listen to the experts.” I have a quote from [Obama economic advisor] Christy Roemer where she says, “Things would be better if we listened to the experts.” And she’s one of the good guys, one of the best people in the Obama administration. That’s their view.

You have an interesting discussion about how the Tea Party movement mimics what was once the left-wing style. This seems to be the dominant mode: The right is saying, “We’re the revolutionaries. We’re taking on the powers that be.”

At first I thought it was a peculiarity of Glenn Beck, and then I noticed it across the board. They picked up this 1930s style and language, complete with utopianism, with this intense faith in an economic system that will solve all your problems and that represents you perfectly, this miraculous economic system … So [the right] is constantly talking about this infernal elite that controls government, controls corporations, and controls the academy, and that we have to wrench ourselves free.

So maybe it is true that the Obama technocracy is the infernal elite. Maybe not in the hellish way it is portrayed on the right, but in the sense that these are the defenders of bailouts, the defenders of the system.

I wouldn’t go too far with that, because I don’t think that is a way of understanding our modern world that can bear a lot of the weight. It is true that the Democrats completely imagine themselves as being the party of the professional class, and that is an elite. It’s not the elite, but it is an elite. The Democrats very definitely identify with academia. That’s the home of the professions, where they come from.

Still, I think that the conservative idea of revolting against the ruling class by holding up the market as an ideal is completely backwards. There is a ruling class in this country. But the notion that the free market is an act of rebellion against it seems pretty fanciful. I can say it stronger than that. It is absolutely preposterous.

At one point you talk about “a cognitive withdrawal from the shared world.” It seems like the modern digital communication revolution encourages this. “A cognitive withdrawal from the shared world” — that sounds like a description of the Internet.

This is where we’re going. You can now believe things that are demonstrably false and never be challenged, directly or indirectly. You can withdraw. That’s the end that the Internet is constantly pushing us toward. That’s what modern marketing is all about.

So it’s a technological phenomenon, but it’s also an ideological phenomenon, a product of the times we’re in. You saw this in the ’30s, especially on the left. People would be so committed to this economic utopia [communism]. They believed in it, and their faith in it was so great … It is a product of economic collapse. People are desperate. They think their entire way of life is crumbling around them, and they reach for … a utopian system where everything is explained.

This is the genius of Fox News. It is fun to watch, and if you agree with them, it’s very gratifying to watch — and on a level deeper than most TV entertainment. The message is “You’ve worked really hard. You played by the rules and now they’re disrespecting you. They won’t let you say the word ‘Christmas.’”

You finished this book around the time Occupy Wall Street started. Were you surprised by the emergence of the movement?

I was surprised. I thought the left’s moment had passed. That was almost exactly three years after the crash of September 2008, and it seemed like the expiration date had come and gone. I’m very pleased, but in a lot of ways the horse has already left the barn.

Is it possible for the Occupy movement to reverse the gains of the right?

I hope so, but I honestly don’t know. At the end of the day I doubt it. My liberal friends have been doubting the right for decades. They’re always saying, “There’s no way these guys can recover now after this screw-up. People will never come back to them after this.” But they keep coming back.

The right does seems to be a little bit on the defensive at the moment. The dominant narrative of last summer — government spending is the problem — has been lost. Occupy Wall Street has injected a change in discourse. People aren’t defensive when they talk about inequality.

Tell me about it. When I started writing about inequality 10 years ago, it … was not something for NPR Book Talk. It was not quite within the bounds of the acceptable. Now it is. And that’s a huge change.

The main thing that has to change is that Democrats and liberals have to be able to speak to the outrage, and that requires a complete change in the way they look at the world. The problem is that they’ve been going the other direction for 30 years. Ever since the right-wing backlash began, liberals have been making their own move to professionalism. [To voice outrage] would require them to reverse course. I would like to see that happen, but I don’t know how it’s going to happen.

I think one thing has happened: Middle-class or upper-middle-class liberals in Washington, all of a sudden we realize we are insecure. The system is not just screwed up for people out there who we sympathize with. It’s screwed up for us. Economic insecurity is now pervasive even in the professional class.

Professionals are feeling the heat. They’re not insulated from market forces, like the way the professions are supposed to be. The system is not working like that anymore. Maybe that is where the change will come from.

Another thing that I think changed things was the debt-ceiling debacle last summer. That scared everybody, and it was so patently the doing of the Tea Party Republicans in the House. That was a huge turning point.

The hostage taking?

They were holding a gun to the head of the nation’s economy. They did ruin the nation’s bond rating. And you could have had an unthinkable catastrophe if they had done what they were threatening to do. Things like that should be off the table in our politics. That was an outrage in its own way as great as the bailouts. It was a shocking moment.

Yet at the end of the book, you contemplate the right wing in power, and you suggest they might do exactly that — take actions they know would ruin the economy.

They might. They see the financial crisis as something we deserve, that we’ve spent beyond our means, and now we have to pay. In their minds, we need a recession to get back on track. They think we’re due for something like the 1930s, so why not make it happen?

You conclude by saying say that the problems that editorialists fret about — inequality, global warming and financial bubbles — will endure, but so will this utopian market populism, which you describe as chasing “the dream more vivid than life itself.” You have shown how entrenched those impulses are in American politics. Maybe part of the American pursuit of happiness is to “chase the dream more vivid than life itself.“

The right has discovered the magic against relativism. They have long inveighed against relativism, but now they’ve discovered they can say anything. They can endlessly withdraw into this world of utopian fiction and everything can be explained away. It’s like some kid discovering a new video game. It’s so awesome.

So what gives you hope?

I was out in Wisconsin earlier this year, when you had thousands of people surrounding the capitol every day. There were big days when they had a hundred thousand people, and then there were the off days where you had “only” a couple of thousand — and this went for day after day. That was really a hopeful moment for me. It was the predecessor to the Occupy movement. Let’s see if they can make a comeback when it gets warm again. I would love to see it happen.

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday December 31, 2011, 5:20 pm
Jae (man, I wish we had a "reply" function that replied a tad closer to the post we're reply to!).

Knowing ALL the details of how we got here isn't necessary for what we have to do, in my opinion. I think that kind of detail is for the 20-20 hindsight of historians. We know pretty damned clearly where we are - certainly we know it well enough to deal with it, if we ever do deal with it. Where we are is here:

Almost EVERY (and that word "almost" may be wrong) politician has been bought, blackmailed or whatever and they are on the side of the corporations (as some of them believe) and 'elites' of which some of them are a part. This is especially obvious in the Congress, which always votes for laws that remove rights and liberties from the people, even those listed in the Constitution. The desires and even desperate needs of their constituents are ignored in order to serve those who pay for their election runs and help them become wealthy themselves - the corporations and the super-wealthy. Congress has become a treasonous agency of the government that operates almost entirely to the detriment of public, health, safety and needs.

Appointees to regulatory, safety and other government agencies are extremely partisan lobbyists or other industry kinds of insiders who manipulate regulations and laws to favor corporate profits and remove or cripple any sort of safety regulations and laws that might mitigate corporate harm to innocent civilians.

We have NO control over our economy because the Fed is running it - into the ground - quite deliberately. The Federal Government refuses to hold any of those in the Fed or in business responsible for the incredible damage they have done and continue to do to the economy.

The military has been infiltrated by corporate reps as well, but is also being run by Dominionist fanatics, and they are using religion-tainted conditioning on our soldiers, especially the officers. Dominionist religion is to be another means of controlling the population. They law has been altered at their request so that citizens who do not request to be exempted from military weapons programs involving weaponized diseases, radiation and other such incapacitating or deadly weapons experiments on human beings are considered to have given "presumed prior consent" to being victims of such experimentation. (The military NEVER notifies anyone that such experiments are being done, so no one knows to request exemption - which would not be granted anyway). Mind control experiments utilizing AARP and extremely toxic chem-trails that poison water supplies, food and air, weakening immune systems to make them more vulnerable to toxic vaccines that also contain massive amounts of toxins such as aluminum and mercury (both neurotoxins), barium (comparable to arsenic), and many more poisons from bioweapons made from fungi to bacterial and DNA. In consequence, disease rates and ill health in the U.S. have skyrocketed.

All means of mass communication are now in the hands of the government or the super-wealthy 'elites', and We the People can be cut out of all of it, including the Internet, whenever they choose. This is one reason for the law requiring television to become all-digital - it's easier to shut off and/or take complete control of by a single agency, such as the Federal Government. It is also used to hide from the people the public threats to our health and safety, in part allowing the corporate to dilute and alter the nature of foods into toxicity for increased profits and to reduce the population, a illegal and deadly program long planned by the 'elites'. The same is being done with medications and the entire medical system, which is now oriented on fake "treatment" but seldom if ever any real cures because keeping people ill generates more profits and helps keep resistance to the takeover of the government and the degeneration of the country to a minimum. Sick, hungry, homeless and poor people do not have the resources in physical health, mental flexibility or possessions to fight back against the destruction of the country or their own lives.

Elections are shams to begin with, as no one can become a serious contender for a seat in government without having been vetted by The Powers That Be first, and the Republican Party (which ought to be disbanded and outlawed for anti-Constitutional actions in violation of their Oath of Office, including actions to the massive detriment of the public weal, health, and safety) has been hard at work trying to disenfranchise as many Left Wing voters as possible - and they've been quite successful even though the action of the GOP and those who work with and for them are often completely illegal, so much so that they make the Watergate break-in look like a child's shoplifting escapade.

The United States Military has been used to illegally invade, occupy, destroy and subdue countries in the Middle east that have oil or strategic positions that America wants or needs. Those conflicts have been characterized as wars, and have lasted longer than ANY legitimate wars that were declared by Congress in American history. They have been promulgated for corporate profits and geopolitical power, were never declared to be wars by Congress, and those who joined the military to serve the country were lied to in every particular to induce them to serve, at risk to their lives. Even in the face of such selfless service, they have been mercilessly poisoned by Depleted Uranium, experimental weaponized vaccines and other agencies without their knowledge or permission, destroying their health. They have been consistently cheated out of bonuses and the inducements to serve, they were given, and once they were home, very often badly damaged and unable to work, they have been left to their own devices, leaving a great many homeless and desperately in need of medical help they cannot get. Conditions where they must fight are so bad, and often illegally so, soldiers now are taking their own lives in excess of American lives lost to "enemy" action, an utterly disgraceful circumstance that no other country that I know of has ever countenanced or caused. One reason for these negative circumstances is that these soldiers are our many of our best; they are those who would, at home again, resist and fight against those who are damaging the country to weaken it enough to take over. Instead, once home they are doing well merely to survive in what has become just another hostile environment. The few healthy ones often find employment in a militarized police force, putting them back in the service of those who have plotted to take over, and setting them against the citizens from whom they came with the weapons of war, and with minds that have to a great extent shut down simply in order to stay alive.

The Justice Department has become the Dept. of inJustice, consistently working and ruling against the workers and non-wealthy of the country to the point of treason in violation of their Oath of Service as well as consistently breaking the very Law they exist to serve and preserve. Thanks to them in great amount there is no Rule of Law remaining in America now.

President Obama made promises in order to get elected, and from the very first moment in office has acted in exact contravention of those promises. Conversations, speeches and other sources of things he has said all point to the fact that everything he said was carefully orchestrated and arranged to appeal to those who voted for him, all done in the knowledge that he intended to break ALL of those promises once he had the power he desired. He is a traitor in the most powerful public position in the government of the United States. The lies being told now and spread via the MSM are the exact same lies, just altered to fit another country, that were told to get us into the conflict in Iraq, something that was desired and plotted for and planned long before 9-11.

The Intelligence agencies of America have increased to an insane number of agencies, almost all of them concentrated on watching and filtering through the American people, and not foreign potential enemies. Between the treasonous and unconstitutional PATRIOT Act and the utterly anti-American, anti-Constitutional NDAA, every so-called "right" Americans have always prided themselves on has been canceled. Americans no longer have ANY rights they can count on, therefore we have no rights, period. We have, per laws and per court rulings, no right to self-defense against any illegal act of police or other government agency, no right to healthy foods, no right to privacy, no right to know what we buy that has been poisoned by corporations seeking what were once called "windfall profits". We are losing the right to keep and bear arms. We have no right to know the truth about ANYTHING the government is doing in our names and with the tax monies that WE pay against the Constitution, against our will and with no requirement and no inducement but that of the armed force of the illegal and unconstitutional Internal Revenue Service.

More and more, the President has the powers of a king, and sometimes he has even more power than any king in history ever had. Police have been increasingly conditioned and armed to become a standing army, which history shows has always become a danger to their own society. Their purpose now is to help subdue those of the American populace who object to having their land, their health, their children, their savings, all that they’ve worked for over generations, and their lives taken from them. Truth tellers are increasingly, and increasingly viciously, persecuted. America is now a country of, by and for the super-wealthy, the unhuman but utterly greedy and murderous corporations and the lying thieves and cowards who serve them from their stolen positions in government and illegitimate positions of illegitimate, stolen power from the invisible and hidden places that we "ordinary" peons cannot reach into. If we are to survive, however, we had damned well better find a way. If we cannot, We the Vast Majority will die, and the They, the Few Remaining will live the short and abused lives of slaves in this, the country our ancestors conquered and loved more than their own lives.

MmAway M (507)
Saturday December 31, 2011, 10:12 pm
OMGoodness was reading through all of these comments and sadly this has gone off to Neverland!

Jae, do ya think you needed to say that much or did you just need the points!.

Tired and will return to make a comment if I am near a computer! Jeepers this is off the wall!

BTW! Like Opera Winfrey said "Cheers to a New Year and another change for us to get it right!...Ummm Politicans just sadly don't get a clue!

MmAway M (507)
Saturday December 31, 2011, 10:15 pm
Diane O Outstanding Comment and well put! Loved it! Thank you so much!

Jae A (316)
Sunday January 1, 2012, 12:48 am
I see you still have nothing to say on topic Marlynn. Guess that's your trend as I see is the case with most of your comments on other political threads..just going for personal comments directed at other commenters....I just know Pink must be so proud of you for stopping by with those.

Jae A (316)
Sunday January 1, 2012, 1:06 am
Funny you didn't notice the others who posted comments with much to say on the topic and otherwise also...but then you didn't come here to comment on the topic or anyone else did ya :-)....yep, Pink must be sending you a personal thank you note as I type this..or soon will.

Ian, great comment and a lot of food for thought within it. If we all can put the thought into things we might find some solutions but if not..we are you said...need to just let it happen and die or find a way of surving...just as those who did under Hitler and his nazi years of terror on the masses. I suppose time is the only way to really know which it will be for the masses in America....and most of the rest of the world actually. Right now I think many prefer to keep trying for solutions in order to avoid the many dooms day theories that are hovering over us all currently..and rightfully so... as you/ve pointed out.

Personally I say..go for hope/actions for the best solutions...but prepare for the worst scenario at the same time. That has been my thinking since Dubya did his 'shock and awe'...which to me was the obvious begining of a not so happy ending unless the people came up with a way to not have it be so. The clock is certainly ticking away and time is way too short and that's all I can say about it all as to 'what might be'.

Jae A (316)
Sunday January 1, 2012, 1:11 am
When I said ''..the beginning of a not so happy ending'' I was referring to our nation and our people in general..not just about the war [s].

Past Member (0)
Sunday January 1, 2012, 1:41 pm
How can Diane O's statement be well put if it is a lie? The republicans are BLOCKING a recovery, not Obama.

Why don't people care about the truth?


Past Member (0)
Sunday January 1, 2012, 1:45 pm
In my new news post...
Our only protection against such ersatz assaults is to use our heads and common sense: if someone is a little ‘too’ enraged at Obama and the Democrats, be suspicious, especially if they never talk about Republicans. Ask them a couple of polite intelligent questions on the comment thread’s topic; if they respond by condemning or insulting you for questioning them rather than engaging you, they’re likely a sock-puppet troll...

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Sunday January 1, 2012, 11:37 pm
Heard Obama say 2011 was a year of great change, and 2012 would be too. The only thing that has changed, is OWS-Empire's-Territory has the people speaking out over nothing helping the people. His smooth tongue is growing weary on me.

Jae A (316)
Monday January 2, 2012, 2:35 am
Easier to blame Obama than the rightwing congress before an election all I can figure. Surely they aren't so brain dead they actually think that any president has the power to do all they say he has...laws must go through our Republican Control Congress first for their approval...they write them well as decide who gets funding and who doesn't and so forth but those rightwingcrazies on care2 don't seem to know zit about how our system/process works..only that they want to destroy.

Jae A (316)
Monday January 2, 2012, 2:46 am
Michael, many can relate to the frustration/disapointment that you are expressing but we must be careful not to let those cause us to jump from the frying pan into the fire so ta say. If we can't find the president that we all want currently we can bring change about all the Congress. There is where our problems are deeply rooted regardless of the person who occupys the White House. At least that is my opinion as to how to bring about 'change'...The Republican controlled congress has and is doing all it can to see to it that the president fails regardless of the cost to the population as a whole. That can not continue, in my opinion, if we as a nation are to recover and have a say in our government ever again.

Jae A (316)
Monday January 2, 2012, 3:03 am
Unlike when Dubya was President, Obama doesn't have the fear factor so fresh an 'urgent' ....even though that of Bush was based on lies and deception etc., to get the kind of unit support out of fear when it came to the people ...much less get a Republican controlled Congress to do what's right for America while still in the shadow of that fear...Obama just isn't all that good at the fear factor hype as the Republican politicans are and that makes his job much more difficult. He's not what I expected either but he's what we have and if we focus on the rightwing Congress and get them to shape up or get out then we can make proper judegement calls about him..until's either support the corporate lap dogs in Congress or go for one of those lap dogs to be the next president...which makes no sense to me personally. .. Time to let them all know that they do work for the people, not just campaign for our votes and then ignore us as they feel they are unseatable once they plot their fat corporate dollar padded assssses down in comfy seating within the halls of congress. They beleive they can count on the hate/fear/war mongering and yes, racist supporters to keep them there. That is who must see change..Congress and it's up to us to make that one ourselves.

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Monday January 2, 2012, 3:18 am
I started regretting my vote right after a good friend of the AIPAC was picked as Chief of Staff. AIPAC controls both sides of the status quo. I had always liked Biden, but only (and I mean only) because his looks reminded me of California Governor Jerry Brown. Get Kucinich or Brown.on the ticket and I'll think about it.

MmAway M (507)
Monday January 2, 2012, 4:23 pm
I did reply "JAE" and do you have control with your goofy guys of Care2 cause I wrote out a list!

Gotta take care of family, but will come back to comment and if it doesn't FIT your WAY Ummm I have PROOF!

BTW...Are you getting KUDO'S and Welfare??? Seems to me like you are on Care2 all the time...I come back to see tons of comments...Don't have time to spend on Care2 each day, and when I am here not usually on Politics, and try to take care of what our Environment and Animals need...

Jae A (316)
Monday January 2, 2012, 6:47 pm
Marilynn M....A list of what...?....a reply to what..? Where ?

It's really none of you F'n business what I do with my time or how we earn a living but since you ask and I'm in a good mood with time this evening I will answer as follows : ......We have a lanscape/home improvement & maintenence business, just to mention two full time occupations/adventues :-) of ours. We also volunteer our time teaching social dancing at the various youth club organization in our area. We also volunteer time working with local animal shelters and attend various charitable events reg. in our area..Palm Springs. We go ballroom and West Coast swing dancing weekly, as a reg. social thing...

How we can do those things and still be on line at various times of the day/evening/night..? ....easy.....we have a wireless 'hot spot' modem and lap tops that we take with us anywhere we order to be on line whenever we want/need or just have the time for doing so. The lap tops can run off our their batteries or via the electrical addaptor/connection which we can plug into a cigarette light in any automobile we are driving at the time. We can be on line for a few minutes between job sites..or in parking lots while shopping or whatever ...or at home...The time period is up to us and it can be. ..anytime anywhere. That technology,which you may or may not know aboutll but it doesn't sound as though you do or you wouldn't have ask the questions you did..Anyway, it is there for those who have busy schedules or who just want the convenience of being on line anytime or as in or also happens to be the only provider worth a darn for our location in the foot hills above Palm Springs...So we can be on line anywhere a cell phone signal is those are what the 'hot spot ' modem connects case you aren't aware of that.

All of these things...which I think I've told you on at least one other thread in the past ...when you 'went there' previously as to things about myself that really aren't any of you F'n business. That 'how much I love my Mac' etc . was also commented on at that time as well...perhaps that might help your memory since you at least remember that about myself and Mac, so as to not keep asking the other same questions about myself again and again for whatever reason you seem so interesting in doing so...but perhaps that's just your thing to do...Does appear to be the case over that of commenting on topics on political threads... with something as to your opinion about a topic and not just that of my opinion.

I have nothing more in mind that is on the topic of this thread to comment on but if anyone wants to chat more about it with myself farther...or if anyone who just wants to come to Obama bash ....or just to leave personal comments about myself..I will be happy to return to leave more comments.

MmAway M (507)
Monday January 2, 2012, 7:09 pm
OMGoodness....Got this from a friend and was taking care of older people -- Volunteer Work??? UMMM ya ever do that for people in NEED???

I wrote a comment and it went into space...Will return to document what I did write, in the meantime, you and your dribble, and swaring is worthless to me just like you are!

Get a GRIP!

Jae A (316)
Monday January 2, 2012, 9:04 pm
More crazy and more questions Marilynn...why am I not surprised.... Got what from a friend who was taking care of older people ? Oh, just recalled that you don't answer many questions, if any, when ask so that was just a waste of typing effort..but fun at the same time . I really doubt that there are many on care2 who don't do things outside of care2 for people in need so what the fuuuuk is your point with that dribble ? You on pain and or phamamed brain killers, drunk or what ? Never mind,doesn't matter and I really am not that curious but others might be come to think of ..which is it ? I know,you wouldn't say which it is, so that was also a waste of typing also...but fun all the same, to type.

"Get a grip "...???
You are left speechless aren't you Marilynn. but you still come who is it that needs to get that grip ?? Come on Marilynn, you can come up with something more origional than that can't you ? Maybe not...?.

As a note to something above you mentioned to do with your...curious as to ones time and income...FYI Marilynn...although I am not retired yet...there are many on care2 who are retired..believe or not Marilynn, and some even have retirement incomes along with all the time to do whatever they want to do with it. Maybe next time you will not ask such dumb questions without thinking about who might read these comments other than myself ...many who are retired and with retirement incomes who probably found that question [s] more than a little out of touch with the reality...perhaps due to your being too busy 'tooting your own horn' so ta say :-), as to who else might read your comments other than myself. We really don't have a lot of teenagers on the site in case you haven't noticed...the older generations over all,with the except of yourself obviously, are aware of 'retirement' and retirement incomes...yep ..some really are with both Marilynn..believe it or not.

I do want to say how nice it was of you Marilynn M to find the time, again,away from all those you keep telling us about that you help..without anyone asking as to what you do with your time or why you have so much of it to spend on leave another comment...and so soon after your last one.

Ok, I am still available for chat or topic discussion or ? on this thread should anyone care to leave a comment about any and or all of those mentioned.

Everybody dance now !! ..and then go out and support/join an "Occupy" movement somewhere near will be 'helping' a lot of people , in the U.S. and the world, as well as yourself in doing so...I believe.

Past Member (0)
Monday January 2, 2012, 10:37 pm
There's a nice silence here. Five days so far. ;)

MmAway M (507)
Tuesday January 3, 2012, 3:03 pm
Love the comments Jae and Jason! BTW, I do believe that our UNITED STATES has Freedom of Speech!

Now, if I prefer NOT to leave the comment that was left in cyberspace -- guess that would be just acting like a Politician!

Jae A (316)
Tuesday January 3, 2012, 4:02 pm
Still no answers to questions ask of you Marilynn...just an off the wall,out of nowhere,to do with nothing said comment about "BTW, I do believe that our UNITED STATES has Freedom of Speech! ". First off...Who said anything remotely to it not being ? I posted an open invitation for anyone to comment about the topic or myself personally even. I honestly have no idea what the hell you are rambling about with that comment...that you left a comment in cyberspace and that you are not wanting to leave it again . I don't see in the comments above where anyone ask about it..just that you left a comment supposedly that didn't end up showing that it was posted....Are you now saying that in that comment you answered some questions ask of you or what ? I am trying hard to make some kind of sense out of what you are talking about in general.... other than your opinon of myself...

So, again... I ask you ...are you an Alcoholic,on Prescription pain and brain killers,suffering perhaps from dementia or what?


Micahel Dewey (1021)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 1:22 am
''If you can manage to check your ideology at the door, the wisdom of getting started with the inevitable should be clear''-from an OEN Article.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 1:49 pm
Whatever Pink is selling, I'm not buying.

MmAway M (507)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 2:42 pm
Oh Jae just Slam people if that is what a BULLY is all about! I have decided to not write out any answers after your swaring and slamming me...BTW...Take back your stupid star you sent me last month!

You are quite the issue, if it isn't against Julie and fighting for Tony the Tiger, then guess you have to say I have Been Guzzling it up and am also on DRUGS!????? Or Brain Dead!

That is the reason I do only say Thank you on some news articles (THAT YOU REFERRED TO, since though they are my friends and I don't agree, I do believe in fairness! would never see me attack someone so Viciously as you have come after me! Naughty, and you should be spanked, but you probably do enjoy it!

BTW??? The fact that you mentioned drugs, booze, brain killers are YOU? I have tried to be kind and when I got attacked in a way I prefer NOT to reply --- Where are the DRUGS so I can GET RID OF YOU! Using Foul language is obscene to me and though I was NOT forwarded this news by Pink and did choose to write a comment (the fact that it went and disappeared, I saw your dribble...did it run down your shirt?)

Then I had to get onto another person's computer to DEFEND MYSELF and CONSIDER THIS MY LAST AND FINAL MESSAGE TO YOU! The person that I typed in this reply, soooo want to know who you are and we did have quite a SMILE! The fact that you state "Everybody Dance Now" (made their jaw drop with jobs the way they are), proves you are clueless to the Horrible events that are taking place here in the United States Of America! The fact that you are happy with all that is going on is quite disturbing!

So dance away -- use foul words, you are not getting me to react to you in the same BULLY WAY that you have attacked ME!

Jae A (316)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 3:26 pm
Your religious comments after passing judgement on others ,attacking others and then obviously expecting them not to reply...well that is offensive to many people Marilynn...that being said..reread all the comments and you might actually see who 'attack' who and who then who came back to defend themselves. Apparently you only read key words you spot in the comments of others on threads. This point was pointed out above in another comment ...Think ya got it reversed but then that's about all I've come to know you for doing.

What the hell does this thread have to do with Tony the Tiger ? Nothing, so what is that about other than your being hell bent on attacking people on any thread that didn't agree with you on those about Tony. As for your 'answers' to any questions..please post the date and time from those above where you did so...I can't find them...only evasions and excuses as to why you don't answer anyones questions but you sure ask a lot of others...anyway...please point those out as I haven't found them so to this point on the thread. I

Your spin on everthing so far has been typical teabagger insanity as well as lame ones but that's your choice of course. As for your words..." would never see me attack someone so Viciously as you have come after me! "...apparently you haven't even reread your own comments or else you would know that you are the one who attacked and that these words of yours are totally B.S. ...aka...lies.

As for my 'everybody dance now'...that was to say enough of your B.S. and lies/spin...and time to dance and go on with life. As with most everything commented/bantering between you and I are the one avoiding the topic as to your comments on it...which does imply that you are the clueless one on the subject...just more rambling to get your key words and attacks out I suppose.

I reply when you direct comments in my direction...and for that you say I'm the are totally off your rocker aren't least that's my opinon at this point. Don't you have the common sense to realize that others can read these comments for themselves and see who started this 'attack' stuff and who is the one Bullying ...and neither of those are myself. Not every just post without reading the comments of others before doing so...or even after doing so as a follow up, even if they don't leave a comment each time. Even if you don't have that much snap at least give others on care2 the credit for theirs as many do read each comment and can see for themselves who said what above..and not have to rely on either of our saying who did.

I am happy to hear that you will not be stalking myself/comments in the future and that you entend to stop 'bullying' me by not returning to this thread....cause you almost made me cry.......Oh BTW...I also have a bridge in San Francisco I am willing to sell you, way below cost even....

Marilynn says she is now gone from this thread...I think that calls for a much as I've enjoyed our bantering but it was her decison to make ...Anywho...EVERYBODY DANCE NOW !

Cam V (417)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 3:49 pm
Most of what Obama has been doing his is doing via EXECUTIVE ORDER ..... which is the same dang thing as a dictorship - period - end of story. He has to be replaced in 2012.
Jae, Marilyn has been quite ill. Pick on someone else okay? Being a bully is very unbecoming of you and that is what you have turned into.
Australia - last time I checked you have been right there with America so it is a case of your own pot trying to call the kettle black.

Jae A (316)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 4:15 pm
Ah cam v. long time no hear from ya. said 'mot of what Obama has ben doing his is doing via EXECTURIVE ORDER'...I can't recall those...perhaps you could refresh the executive order you are thinking of .,?

Try not being like Marilynn Cam..and read all the comments not just her blabbering on about her being Bullied etc. You will find that she 'attack' myself first and I only replied back each time she commented in my direction..or as she likes to called it 'attacked' myself.

I intend to keep post they of agreeance with someone or disagree with someone...doing so is not the definition of a bully....unless your word dictornies are different where you are than in other places. However if leaving ones opinons on threads if they aren't in agreement with someone else's or if a person replies to personal comments ['attacks' in the words of some] are called 'bullying' as incorrect of a term as that is in the case of myself or anyone doing so...well then.. that is their problem not mine nor how things work on threads open to all who wish to leave comments on them. Thus I will continue leaving my they in agreement or disagreement regardless of what some think doing so is called...especially when I leave a 'reply' to someone who makes comments in my direction...such as yourself did above. You don't have a problem with people who comment back to your comments do you...?....even if they don't agree with you .?

I would think if Marilynn has been so damn ill then perhaps she should not be posting B.S. on care2 or any sites threads until she is feeling better....and obviously when she isn't on pharmameds would be a wise thng for her to do my opinion. Which if she is so ill she probably is taking something. I will remind a side note isn't wise to take pharameds and drink alcohol together..not that is Marilynns case but I really don't know if it is or not.

One thing I do know...She sure as hell not ill enough to not keep returning to this thread again and again to make personal comment about myself...She post her comments and I reply to them with my opinion of what she has said in her comments in my direction . Be she so ill ..or her illness mental or physical...or a combo....that's just the way it works on these threads even though she apparently thinks they should work this way from what I can understand via her comments.


Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 5:26 pm
As usual Jae, you get away with saying anything you want, with no reprocussions. I can't even believe that your posts are still on here, where you basically call Marilynn a drug addict or a drunk. And you have the gall to say she is bullying you? You always have to get the last word too, don't you? But most of us that are not part of your little army, have you figured out by now, and your m.o. is always the same ~ personal attacks. And you posted on this article 25, yes 25 times, and you say Marilynn is posting too much? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Everyone knows your soul purpose on Pink's articles is to piss everyone the hell off, and you know what ~ your good at it.

And for you to keep going on and on about RX meds, maybe you didn't realize in that wondrous vast mind of yours, but there might be many people on here who may be offended by that. Some people in the real world, that have real pain, might have to take them. But you are great at offending people who don't completely agree with your agenda. But we all know you think you are perfect. You ego is tremendous.

Now, do your predictible thing, and slam the hell out of me, with many personal attacks. I won't be back to read it, so it will be nothing but a waste of your time. But you seem to be good at wasting your time, with your endless hot air ~ so go for it.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 5:28 pm
And everybody will be dancing once YOU are gone from this thread!

Jae A (316)
Wednesday January 4, 2012, 5:53 pm
AndyNoMail...I am fine with what you call reprocussions...which I call replies, of whatever nature one wants to say with them. They just need to understand,as I've pointed out time and time again, that I will probably reply to their comments if they were made in my direction...regardless of how many times they want to do so,so shall I ..etc....just as I am doing now.

There are people who might be offended by someone asking if they are on welfare..but you didn't seem to point out anyone who did just that on this same thread Andy_____ who was actually the one that you came to defend.

You obviously don't read the comments of others,just go with whatever Marilynn says in hers ,so the bulling B.S. is just that. 'Replies' to those by another of personal nature are not bulling.....disagreeing with others is not bulling...Those I have done but they are replys...not bulling. If one can not take the replies about their comments they directed at someone else then they just need to stop making comments in the direction of someone...someone who they are pretty sure will reply back ...and that would be the end of their problem...or so I think. If not, then they simply need to not jump in again if they aren't ready to have comments made back to them...especially on a political thread. The FACT is that Marilynn came onto this thread as did I ...once I commented she jumped at me with her 'personal' comments,...attacks as to yours and her defination of the word apparently...nothing in her direction from me until after that.

Everybodydance now...or's each persons choice to dance or agree or to disagree...even to stalk someone due to that persons comments about Tony the Tiger on another thread, if they wish, for all I care...Marilynn brought that up herself..which tells me why she was so focused on going at me with her personal somments in the first place.

We each have the choice to defend ourselves and to not accept B.S. comments from people of a personal nature for certain..or on a topic they don't agree with. That is each persons choice..she made hers...I made mine by replying back to her comments. Pretty simple to follow that fact by reading all the comments in the order they've been posted.

SO here you are Marilynn, not to comment about the topic but to make personal comments in my direction...I guess I should say that you are bulling me....which it would be by your own defination of the word from what you've said about bullying.

Well that's two out ..or so they say. However I will have no problem with either changing their minds and returning even though they've said they would not...I mean that. Just be sure if one should make comments upon that return in my direction I will probably reply in it bullying or whatever you wish.

Cam V (417)
Thursday January 5, 2012, 12:17 am
There is no need for anyone to attack anyone at all Jae but I find it particularily distateful when men do it to women. I actually KNOW Marilyn so you assume crap you don't know anything about. She is a good lady and a good friend of mine.
Lay off Jae. You are making yourself look like a horses arse for cripes sakes.

desanka s (416)
Thursday January 5, 2012, 12:28 am
I don’t believe in politics and in too many words…
In the world's media Barack Obama at first has presented as a HOPE and I was very optimistic. If America change the course that can change also my world, but after I read Obama's autobiography (Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance), I realized that nothing will change. He is no better or worse than other political personas.
Maybe I’m naive, maybe I don’t know enough about political games but I know that my good Care2 friend from America lost a job, than a house, even a computer to stay in contact with friends. This is reality and takes place on the globe.

Every recession has serious psychological aspects to the people, similar to the bursting of bubble. The term ANIMAL SPIRITS has been used to describe the psychological factors underlying this phenomena. Economist Shiller wrote that this term “…refers to the sense of trust we have in each other, our sense of fairness in dealings, and our sense of the extent of corruption and bad faith.”
So we are back in animals world, but animals can be good role models – they LIVE AND IN THE MOMENT (forget the past!), and face the problems in instinctive, natural way: in the recession time like this only can help to Occupy the World not just Wall Street.

BARACK OBAMA: “Americans still believe in an America where anything's possible - they just don't think their leaders do.”
What all leaders do, as they are doing now, here: DIVIDE AND RULE!
Take it easy people, we are one! Don’t forget about freedom of speech - if we have capacity to choose, we also have ability to change!
Thank you Pink Mindy and dear Marillynn for the forward, this is the first time I left a comment on political issue – and now I’m living this Neverland!

Jae A (316)
Thursday January 5, 2012, 1:20 am
Cam,doesn't matter to me who 'attacks' [using the word since that seems to be the prefered choice for what I call 'replies' to comments direction at another] on a thread with personal comments or women...I will stand firm on my comments/replies as in my eyes they are equal when it comes to commenting on threads. Using gender as an excuse to make personal remarks about another and not expect them to reply back, well that's just not going to happen when it comes to myself. I might treat a lady like one when they are one, when they are not, I threat them as a person ....their gender not meaning a damn thing.

"Thank you Pink Mindy and dear Marillynn for the forward"....Cool...As long as this thread has been going Pink and Marilynn are still sending the link to their that's what I call bring in the choir..which is fine by me they male or I've said, their comments in my direction, if there are any, should expect a reply back from myself...without a thought as to their gender. That's only fair I believe.

As to your "lay off " comment Cam....see my above paragraph.IN other words, that is up to Marilynn or whoever which it will be as for as replies back from I said, everyone can expect a reply back from me if a comment is in my direction, by hint or using my name directly..just as you just have again Cam. I certain expect one back from you as I have.... mentioned your name as the reason for this 'reply'/comment back to your direct mention of mine in your last comment...should that be your choice. It' a choice thing as others have also mentioned.

desanka, for your first comment on a political thread it was a good one in my opinion. Much of which I agree with and some I don' in the one about our being one. Nice thought but not how it is,otherwise threads like this one wouldn't have gone as it has, if you can see what i mean on that. I especially like and agree with very much your your statement that we should Occupy the World...and i will add to that for the sake of all living creatures. However I don't think that is going to happpen the way most of us would prefer that it did nor as soon if at all. There is still a lot of , in the words of Dubya :-)..."you are either with us or against " still being taken to heart by his supporters to this day for real unity to come about ..when it comes to the world of politics....especially not when the discussioins are held on a progressive site such as Care2 is and always entended to be....but one that offers anyone to post comments regardless of their political opinions. That's a good thing in my books but it does show how strong the division still is.....we've only just begun our road to 'truth' about who has been and who still is in charge of our government and what options/solutions are available in order to turn it back over to the people again..if that is even possible at this time.

Bashing Obama isn't an answer...but the choir who enjoys it.usually those who comment on Pink Obama topic threads my and others opinion, are not for that purpose. I believe we should be discussing all the various aspects of what our Congress..both pros and cons, is doing and what are in the bills being passed by them and for what reasons, should all be discussed, not just that of the final signing of whoever is President. that is what is going on,on other threads on this same topic...not just bashing Obama or 'attacking' others due to their opinion of the topic..or just personal comments about other comments in general.

SInce the name Dubya has been mentioned already by many and not just myself....Dubya used veto powers in excess,seldom if ever listening to what the people on all sides really wanted..If a bill or part of a bill wasn't one of his political parties view ...which were often things for the betterment of the people as a whole... he still put a veto on them. That by many was looked upon as an abuse of power.

To take one part of a bill to push a 'rider' has been a tactic of the GOP/Republican/TeaBaggers since day one of the Obama administration...and all too often he has signed the republican based/written bills in order to not let those hold the other things in a bill to move forward that should. His doing so in his attempts at 'compromise' is what has his origional base of supporters disapointed and frustrated. The left certainly has good reason to be those things, but those on the right...not so as he is doing just what they want in the signing of most of the bills that Congress has passed since he came into office. Those who do so the loudest on the right are suspect of ..the race card thing :-)...due to that reasons for them coming to care2 for Obama bashing contest from their choir of who many are...that race card topic :-). Just a fact...and clearly why there is division in Obamas case beyond the norm would be my opinion.

Micahel Dewey (1021)

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Thursday January 5, 2012, 2:39 am
Danylion thanks for bring up this article. "FEW ARE GUILTY BUT ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE" ABRAHAM JOSHUA HESCHEL I had put it in one of my paper newsletters that I was passing around communities in Massatack or what I sometimes call Axachusetts, for would like NE to cut the head off of a country that looks and acts like a Turkey. Will have a 8500 HP Double page printer, so Antwerpen Baelgium will be reading it soon.

MmAway M (507)
Sunday January 8, 2012, 3:26 pm
I left this thread Jae because you took off RAPID and went to name calling! Enough already! DONE!

Micahel Dewey (1021)
Monday January 9, 2012, 2:50 am
"A host of positive psychological changes inevitably will result from widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual will flourish when the decisions concerning his life are in his hands, when he has the assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he knows that he has the means to seek self-improvement."MLK..

PinkMindy Ellinwood (567)
Friday January 13, 2012, 11:33 am

Our desperate U.S. economy is already leading toward public Liberal attacks against President Obama!

"Occupy Chicago Protests Obama At Fundraiser - News Video" @ Care2 News

I wonder how far down we must all be brought down by the Obama administration???

More Americans are going to be voting Republican in Election 2012, because Obama is running the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld playbooks right down the line, just like a Republican!! ...

People are beginning to blog saying: "What's the difference, because you cannot trust Obama any longer!".
Or, log in with your
Facebook account:
Please add your comment: (plain text only please. Allowable HTML: <a>)

Track Comments: Notify me with a personal message when other people comment on this story

Loading Noted By...Please Wait


butterfly credits on the news network

  • credits for vetting a newly submitted story
  • credits for vetting any other story
  • credits for leaving a comment
learn more

Most Active Today in US Politics & Gov't

Content and comments expressed here are the opinions of Care2 users and not necessarily that of or its affiliates.

New to Care2? Start Here.