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DURING HIS short visit to Israel, Pope Francis laid a wreath on the grave of Theodor Herzl. ... So why Herzl's grave? Obviously, this gesture was intended to emphasize the Zionist character of the state. ...

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Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 12:56 pm
Excerpt from Uri Avnery's essay:

LONG trek to Zionism started when, as a Hungarian-born Jewish student in Vienna, he encountered anti-Semitism. His logical mind found the answer. Being a playwright, he described the scene: all Austrian Jews, except himself, would march in an orderly fashion to the Cathedral and convert en masse to Catholicism. The pope would have been enthusiastic.

However, Herzl soon learned that neither would the Jews accept baptism (“the Jews are afraid of water,” Heinrich Heine once joked), but the nationalist Goyim did not dream of accepting them into their ranks. How could they? Jews were everywhere, in many different countries, so how could they sincerely join any national movement?

That’s when Herzl had his historic insight: if the Jews could not join any of the national movements that were mushrooming in Europe, why shouldn’t they constitute themselves as a separate, new-old nation?

For Herzl, that was a sober, rational idea. No God involved, no Holy Scriptures, no romantic nonsense. Palestine did not enter his mind. Nor had he any interest in the religious fantasies of Christian Zionists in Britain and the US, like Alfred Balfour.

Herzl’s project was fully completed, up to the smallest detail, and written down in the brochure that became the Zionist Bible “Der Judenstaat”, before he even started to think seriously about the place where it should be realized.

THE PAMPHLET started as a speech he made to the “family council” of the Rothschilds, the richest Jews on earth. He expected them to finance the project.

The text is immortalized in his Diaries, a very well-written document covering several books. On page 149 of the first book of the original German print, after explaining his plans, he remarks that “I can tell you everything about the ‘promised Land’ except its location.” This will be left to a conference of outstanding Jewish geographers, who will decide where to set up the Jewish state, after examining all the geological, climatic, “in short, the natural circumstances, taking into account the most modern investigations”. It is a “purely scientific” decision to make.

In the end, when the pamphlet came out under the title “Der Judenstaat”, the location was almost ignored. Less than a page was devoted to it, under the expressive title: “Palestine or Argentina?”

HERZL CLEARLY preferred Argentina. The reason for this has also been forgotten.

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 1:14 pm

Maybe I should quickly introduce Uri Avnery? He is the founder of Gush Shalom (Hebrew for Peace Bloc) and an ardent supporter of a just peace with the Palestinian. He fought as a young man in the Haganah, was several times injured during wars and was a 3 times Knesset Member . For more info this great person please check out

His most famous phrase is: "Violence is the symptom - Occupation is the disease". Will people ever understand?

Plase also visit the website of Gush Shalom for more information:

Wednesday June 4, 2014, 1:55 pm
Noted. Thanks Eleonora

Angelika R (143)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 2:15 pm
Thx Eleonora and congrats on your "firster". Our old friend German born Uri is still going strong despite his biblical age, a tireless peace fighter, yep!

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 2:28 pm

Thanks Angelika! We all worried a while about him after Rachel's death but it seems he's ... well ... OK now. I just wish from all my heart that he still has many years ahead of him. People like him are scarce in this profit and myth oriented world of ours. Stay safe!

Evelyn B (62)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 2:34 pm
Uri Avnery is always worth reading, here as elsewhere. I first came across him with his book Israel Without Zionists: A Plea for Peace in the Middle East, - almost "required reading", along with Moshe Menuhin's "The Decadence of Judaism in Our Time" ..... Both men highly respected by most Palestinians I know.

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 4:33 pm
Thanks Eleonora, I shall save this to read

Rose Becke (141)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 4:42 pm
Well done on your first story Eleanora

fly b (26)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 4:48 pm
Thanks Eleonora. Good post!!

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 6:33 pm
It's about ignoring the aspirations and suffering of the indigenous people while always placing the overriding emphasis on the aspirations and suffering of Zionists. Delegitimization and dehumanization of Palestinians are used to excuse the neglect.

Frans Badenhorst (582)
Wednesday June 4, 2014, 10:42 pm
excellent "first" Eleonora - congratulations my friend ♥

Abo r (107)
Thursday June 5, 2014, 2:27 am
Noted. Thanks Eleonora well done .
Thanks Donna for forwarding .
will forward later

Jonathan Harper (0)
Thursday June 5, 2014, 5:02 am

Abdessalam Diab (145)
Thursday June 5, 2014, 6:36 am
Welcome Eleonora. In this article we all could see the relationship between the Zionist project and the family council” of the Rothschilds, the richest Jews on earth.We can also see the relationship withe the British government. The project had nothing to do with Judaism ( No God involved, no Holy Scriptures, no romantic nonsense. Palestine did not enter his mind ). That proves what I always said that Zionism is just an economic project in the first place and has nothing to do with Judaism or what is called the promised land..

Eleonora Oldani (37)
Thursday June 5, 2014, 2:42 pm
Thanks, Evelyn, for posting the titles of these 2 excellent books. While I haven't read Menuhin's book I sure know that his son, Yehudi Menuhin, followed his father's political footsteps - other than being one of the most outstanding violinists!

I couldn't find a link to the JP article but I found this in Wiki:
"In 1991 Menuhin was awarded the prestigious Wolf Prize by the Israeli Government. In the Israeli Knesset he gave an acceptance speech in which he criticised Israel's continued occupation of the West Bank:
"This wasteful governing by fear, by contempt for the basic dignities of life, this steady asphyxiation of a dependent people, should be the very last means to be adopted by those who themselves know too well the awful significance, the unforgettable suffering of such an existence. It is unworthy of my great people, the Jews, who have striven to abide by a code of moral rectitude for some 5,000 years, who can create and achieve a society for themselves such as we see around us but can yet deny the sharing of its great qualities and benefits to those dwelling amongst them."

Quite powerful, wouldn't you say?

Bruce and Abdessalam - you're both so right. Prof Ilan Pappe compaired it to the last colonization project. Religion was injected later as the true Torah Jews belief that Yisrael will only be restored once the Messiah has come. Until then (they believe) they must live among the other peoples and do no harm (paraphrased). Well ... would be nice if polit-Israel would remember at least the last part "... and do no harm".

Justin Vale (13)
Friday June 6, 2014, 5:37 am
there used to be a native american race down in patagonia that was the tallest race on earth. the spanish and later italians and of course the ubiquitous gaucho killed them off.

Justin Vale (13)
Friday June 6, 2014, 5:40 am
my bad, i wrote b4 i finished reading. it was already covered.
wow, nice article.
thanks for sharing.
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