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Chemtrails: How They Effect You & What You Can Do


Environment  (tags: climate-change, ecosystems, environment, globalwarming, nature, trees, weather, wildlife, oceans, humans, forests )

Sherri
- 142 days ago - youtube.com
This is the first in a series of videos about Chemtrails. I do not speculate about the intent of Corporations and Governments responsible for them. With enough information I hope only to help us all gain awareness by looking up. This is an 8 min video.



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Regan Copple (14)
Friday March 7, 2014, 12:24 am
First of all Sherri, there are no such things as chemtrails, it is complete hokum. As someone who worked as a jet-engine mechanic I can tell you that there is no way that anything the chemtrail kooks say that has one iota of truth to it, the baloney about the aerosolized aluminum, the secret government plots to mind-control us all a la MK-Ultra, or any of the other tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory claptrap, it's all BS. I'm downvoting this malarkey.

Let's stick to science, not pseudo-science here at Care2.
 

Sherri G. (111)
Friday March 7, 2014, 12:36 am
I know there are tons of stories about Chemtrails with a flare for the dramatic. Fact 1: We "the people" have the power to keep any and all atmospheric spraying regulated. Atmospheric experimentation must be completely transparent to protect our fragile planet. Fact 2: the media is owned by 6 large corporations and like it or not the media no longer publishes anything except those things corporations and the oligarchs want us to know. Fact 3: We must educate ourselves. This first video will help and gives us direction. I believe corporations choose to discredit "Chemtrails" with plausible deniability and by making any mention of it conspiratorial. Please share the series of Chemtrail videos and documents I release and provide any suggestions or recommendations you have that will encourage us to look up and demand answers.
 

Sherri G. (111)
Friday March 7, 2014, 12:52 am
Regan - I too thought it was alarmist and for cooks when I listened to the first video a few months ago. It appears you have spent a lot of time buying into the extremist and those who choose to speculate about intent. It wasn't until I put my engineering hat on and researched facts that I realized the topic deserved my time to investigate. Seeing is believing. My series will NOT ASSIGN INTENT. My information will deal in photos, patents, and science. It is obvious you chose not to watch the first video as to what each of us can do to educate ourselves. BTW any and all spraying is done out of nozzles NOT the jet engines. TY for your comment.
 

Ingo Schreiner (6)
Friday March 7, 2014, 1:16 am
thanks
 

Sherri G. (111)
Friday March 7, 2014, 1:17 am
Spelling correction kooks not cooks. lol
 

Roxi M. (51)
Friday March 7, 2014, 1:20 am
This is a very good site for an overall, intellignet and unsentimental look at what is happening. Perhaps others who view this will tell others to see it and the wheel of self education can start. Perhaps this knowledge can be a wildfire under us to try and do something positive to stop it. Perhaps it will help others find the web site agriculturedefensecoalition.org and geoengineeringwatch.org to verify that this is real. But what about HAARP?
 

Roxi M. (51)
Friday March 7, 2014, 1:25 am
Hey, Regan, do you see how narrow and condesending you sound? Watch and learn, there is nothing that a little education can't help. Nozzles are not engines. google the words geoengineering and chemtrail vs contrail to see for yourself. You may be a mechanic, but are you a student?
 

Evelyn B. (38)
Friday March 7, 2014, 1:35 am
I've come across enough to know that there IS something to this business of chemtrails. There are scientific documents & studies, if one starts exploring the subject. There is also a certain amount of "extremist" hype - which is particularly dangerous because it provides an opening for throwing out baby with the bathwater ... Any researching of the subject requires careful looking at the sources, and cross-checking ...

BTW, Reagan - the speaker cites "conspiracy" as one possible reaction; she is not endorsing it.
 

Evelyn B. (38)
Friday March 7, 2014, 1:37 am
And thanks for posting, Sherri
 

Pogle S. (88)
Friday March 7, 2014, 2:47 am
NO Green Star for Regan. - I don't know if anyone has already said so, but I think it is all about 'climate control' and fooling general populations into believing that human activity is not causing global warming. The heavy metal chemicals that they spray do indeed form a reflective layer in the upper atmosphere and reflects much of the sunlight away from the planet and back into space. Curious fact; the global temperature has not risen significantly since they began these actions 10 or so years ago. 
 

John S. (297)
Friday March 7, 2014, 3:37 am
Perhaps it just is a condensation trail and has nothing to with spraying chemicals, especially as I've see them in almost every country so the conspiracy would have to be worldwide. However your seeing less and less of them as modern planes don't produce as many. And Condensation trails (contrails) have been seen behind aircraft since World War I. The persistence of the trail is dependent on the moisture in the air at flight level (high humidity = long trail)..
 

Sherri G. (111)
Friday March 7, 2014, 4:02 am
Please someone tell me you watched the 8 min Video...
 

Sherri G. (111)
Friday March 7, 2014, 4:10 am
Pogle Thank You for your comment and not assigning intent. The minute we assign intent we stop looking up and being aware. There is a lot we can do to scientifically prove geo engineering is being pursued for whatever reason I really don't care. We need transparency and regulation world wide. John Thank You for your comment too. Please Care2 Friends take the time to educate yourselves without allowing speculation conspiracy theorist playing into an objective analysis.
 

kate k g (459)
Friday March 7, 2014, 5:10 am
great post Sherri thank you :)
 

Evelyn B. (38)
Friday March 7, 2014, 5:24 am
I've notified about the spam flowers - but C2NN seldom do anything about these within threads :-(
 

Past Member (0)
Friday March 7, 2014, 5:39 am
Thank you Sherri for this video, I am looking forward for the next ones.
 

Patrick Donovan (316)
Friday March 7, 2014, 9:19 am
Well done for the video post and for the articulate response to Regan.
 

Terrie Williams (761)
Friday March 7, 2014, 9:45 am
Thanks, Sherri! Noted.
 

Carol Dreeszen (364)
Friday March 7, 2014, 10:38 am
I have read where the chemicals are added on the big passenger jets so that when they are high in the sky this chemical can be released with the exhaust from the plane. One thing I have noticed from the jets that fly over head here which is completely away from any interference from big city pollution, there is none, so when jets use to fly over us flying to the east or the west there use to be an exhaust behind them that would dissipate over a period of time. For the past couple years, I have noticed that same exhaust would hang in the air and rather than dissipate it just kind of spreads out. Judging by that I would have to say there is something going on with these chemtrails and I use to not believe in them either! Can't watch the video Sherri as we are on limited bandwidth and videos use a lot of bandwidth. Sorry!
 

Roger Skinner (14)
Friday March 7, 2014, 11:18 am
Sorry, but this is all BS and has been debunked many times. Here is one website that refutes many of the claims: http://conspiracies.skepticproject.com/articles/chemtrails/

You can find many more, just google "chemtrails debunked" as one possible search.
 

John S. (297)
Friday March 7, 2014, 11:27 am
Of coursed I watched it Sherri, it was very well done, I just don't agree with it. This is just a little too contrived feeling and it lacks any verifiability.
 

Regan Copple (14)
Friday March 7, 2014, 12:40 pm
Corporate commercial airlines are not going to waste valuable fuel or space adding tanks to their jets Carol, that is complete nonsense as it would cut into their profits. For those of you who want to disapprove of my views, my views are rooted in facts & science, not this continuous fearmongering by a group of individuals who have very little basis in reality. If I sound narrow & condescending it is because I have to debate these topics over & over again with people who don't want to listen to what's real & what's not. It's like Bill Nye debating the creationist Ken Ham, at what point do you decide to let you all live within your delusions? There is no such thing as aerosolized metal being sprayed from airplanes, military or commercial.
Contrails are the result of moisture remaining in the atmosphere from the jet engine combustion process relative to the surrounding humidity. The only airplanes spraying anything are crop-dusters spraying chemicals onto crops. Anyone who tells you any different is lying to you, or deluding themselves about the truth. Care2 should be a place for discussion, but I am not going to give credibility to people I feel are positing a completely unrealistic scenario. Conspiracy theories are always reliant on silence of those involved, but the larger the conspiracy is seen to be, the less likely that it is in any way, real. Humans are only human, & people talk, the greater the amount of people implicated in a conspiracy, the greater the possibility that someone would have come forth with credible evidence that this is occurring, that has never happened. I don't believe in Chemtrails any more than I believe that there are Aliens living among us as disguised Lizard People, something that a lot of individuals down in Central & South America seem to give great attention to. Just go look on YouTube to find some of the crackpot, poppycock theories that people are advancing nowadays. Lies are simple, the truth is complex, & I'm not going to sit & listen to a lot of balderdash, it's like giving credibility to the Flat-Earth Society. They're all morons because they refuse to look at the evidence, & be skeptical in the proper manner. Chemtrails are a work of fiction, not real. Deal with it.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Friday March 7, 2014, 12:55 pm
Nicely done video and thank you for doing your part in sharing this information. As with so many things, people do not want to think that this is happening. I know I want to believe the best in everyone, that each is out to do their best for everyone and everything around them, but I know in my heart of hearts this isn't always the case. I recall growing up the common phrase was "QUESTION AUTHORITY".......and for good reason.

Economic models are based on the fact that people play within these economic models, but throw in people it doesn't always go to plan, for people get greedy, they have self interests that over-ride common interest and therefore the best models do not always go to plan.

So for the naysayers I say, wonder if you are wrong? If we all sit back and just assume nothing is happening or that whatever is happening that people have our best interests in mind. We've learned that we've gone into wars based on lies, we've had an economy we've been told is for the best interest of all only to learn that it is set up for "some" to do very well and for others to limp along. Just as in the past it was thought to be good to bleed out the person to cure them, or that our world was flat, new ideas, whether they be there for the good or not so good are hard to accept for many.

There are a lot of Scientist on board with backing up the geo engineering that this is happening. Just like there are 97% of the Scientist who support Global Warming. In the beginning there were many Scientist of the day that didn't believe the earth rotated around the sun, it didn't seem possible to them, but each gradually took the time to do their own experiments, read and went over the math themselves, and eventually more of them came to the same conclusion. So yes, I can see where some are skeptical on this.....but don't ever let your mind be cemented in place.
 

Regan Copple (14)
Friday March 7, 2014, 1:12 pm
Linda Carter Gamble is the wife of Foster Gamble (heirs to the Proctor & Gamble fortune) & together they produced that horrible piece of crap pseudo-documentary movie Thrive, which is chock full of crackpot rightwing conspiracy theories (including David Icke who is responsible for the Lizard alien nonsense). It was repudiated by most of hte people who participated in it, including noted progressive nutritionist & acclaimed environmentalist John Robbins (heir to the Baskin-Robbins fortune), who completely disavowed any part of his participation in the movie.

Check out this article for more information on the subject of the Gambles: http://www.santacruz.com/2012/04/10/author_john_robbins_other_progressives_denounce_thrive/
Check out this site for a thorough debunking of Thrive & the movement: http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/
 

John S. (297)
Friday March 7, 2014, 1:20 pm
I don't know why that number keeps coming up Dandelion. The actual statistics is that 98 percent of scientific papers (that take a stance on the issue) agree, the study finds. But 66 percent of the studies surveyed did not express a position. Perhaps you should read the article at http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/07/17/that-scientific-global-warming-consensus-not/.
 

Michela m. (3813)
Friday March 7, 2014, 2:27 pm
noted
 

Roxi M. (51)
Friday March 7, 2014, 3:32 pm
Regan, you seem to be a thinker, and I am a thinker and not right wing, or interested in aliens, but I am interested in knowing my grandchildren will have a future. You seem adamant in your view that those who see a connection with the exponential increase in aluminum and barium readings, the withering of our forests, the decrease in good harvests, the halting of photosynthesis, the destruction of the plankton,etc to an emotional deconstruct. This is not the case. I am an engineer and am interested in life on this earth. Personal opinions and political viewpoints don't really shine light on the issue. There seems to be, as I have learned, a reason behind the international intra-governemt cooperation in the spraying. They are attempting to cool the planet. We as a species are always trying to catch up with our myopic approach to progress. More later, I appreciate your position and will look into your links here.
 

Sherri G. (111)
Friday March 7, 2014, 4:20 pm
Biographical Information On Linda Carter & Foster Gamble

Linda Carter and Foster Gamble are Budhists and produced a film “Thrive”. Her work on Chemtrails in the field of GeoEngineering utilizes her extensive education and experience in Project Engineering to assist those seeking to prove or disprove the validity of Chemtrails. Linda and Foster Gamble do not advocate that there is a conspiracy. They in fact say part of the problem is most of our congressional representatives are ignorant of geoengineering.

Foster is the great, great grandson of James Gamble, the founder of Procter & Gamble. He is in no way associated with the running of the multi-national company that exists today. Foster has participated on his own and with various family initiatives to change company policy with regard to issues such as animal testing and pollution. Foster used the time he was afforded by inheriting enough money to research issues that most people don’t have time to pursue. He and Kimberly have invested eight years of uncompensated time and $4.5 million of their own money, (in partnership with individual investors who invested an additional $2.5 million) to make the THRIVE film and website to help empower a self-creating movement that aims to empower a world where all can thrive. Procter & Gamble has not funded THRIVE or any part of it. We welcome people checking the validity of this statement with Procter & Gamble directly.”

Lynda Carter, MBA, has a BA in Marketing, BS in Computer and Information Sciences from Cleveland State and an MBA from Baldwin Wallace University. Lynda has extensive experience designing and delivering project management training programs as well consulting with senior project management leaders on all aspects of the projects from methodology design and implementation to advanced applications of project management, including: Project Management Essentials, Project Management for Executives, Project Teams, Total Quality Management (TQM), Risk Management, Advanced Scheduling Management, Cost Management and JAD Facilitation. She works with a wide variety of industries including insurance, manufacturing, consulting, technology and financial services including: KeyCorp, PPG Industries, Progressive Insurance, Rockwell Automation, Ohio Aerospace Institute (OAI), American Express, IAMS, and Ernst & Young.
 

Roxi M. (51)
Friday March 7, 2014, 4:36 pm
So, the Santa Cruz article is discussing very unsettling ideas, granted. I don't care....what I do care about is the chemtrails and geoengineering factually. I don't want personal politics or lizard people to enter my discussion on what is factually happening to our planet. Just know Mother Earth has no feelings, she doesn't care if she is an eden or a desert.
 

Regan Copple (14)
Friday March 7, 2014, 4:58 pm
Roxi, there's no proof of anything you just mentioned. You mentioned HAARP in an earlier post, another target for the tinfoil-hat crowd, & a completely harmless program if you would bother to do some reading. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haarp) They even hold an open house once a year at their main facility open to the public where any civilian may tour the entire facility.
You can't just make claims without presenting any supporting evidence, which is what you're doing. There is no attempt to cool the planet, & nobody is spraying aerosolized metal into the air. Most of the time when you see those videos, what the pilots may be doing is jettisoning excess fuel, something they are required to do for safety reasons. Cloud-seeding by the Chinese uses a perfectly harmless chemical, you only need to provide a seed particle for the water to condense on to induce rain. People who cite increases in barium or aluminum levels better cite some NOAA statistics, or withering of forests better cite some EPA, or state park data to support their claims, or withering of plankton better bring up scientific articles discussing said plankton levels or it's just their opinions without any evidence to bring credibility to their arguments. You use the word exponential, but I don't realy think you truly know what that word means.
That's what being a skeptic is all about. I'm a UC Berkeley-educated physicist & engineer, the standards for what you all claim is evidence is sadly lacking any factual basis.
This whole idea of a chemtrail conspiracy has been ongoing for years now with nothing ever rising to the level of public awareness. Time will prove me correct, it will not prove you correct Roxi, because there is not one shred of verifiable, quantifiable evidence to support the existence of "chemtrails" because it doesn't exist.

Sherri, I don't care how much background about the Gambles you provide, they are affiliated with people in The John Birch Society which propagates some of the worst tinfoil-hat conspiracies around. You can be educated, & still be ignorant about basic science, or too opinionated to listen to real scientists instead of the quacks who support pseudo-scientific theories as chemtrails, or New World Order.

False equivalence between the number of scientists who support climate change, which is in the hundreds of thousands, & geo-engineering, which has orders of magnitude levels smaller people backing it. There's a definite difference between a couple of million scientists & engineers, 2,000,000 & maybe a couple thousand or so individuals who believe in the concept of geo-engineering, 2,000, see the difference?

Dandelion, Learn to distinguish when politicians are lying to you, & not when scientists are, because the politicians & businessmen are far, far more likely to lie to you than a scientist would, so that's another false analogy. You're applying skepticism in the wrong places. Learn to recognize good science from bad science. The theory of Helo-Centricity was advance by Ptolemy & Galileo, it wasn't gradually accepted, the majority of resistance to the idea versus Geo-Centricity was advanced by The Catholic Church.
 

Terry King (108)
Friday March 7, 2014, 6:06 pm
I'm polishing up my foil hat!
 

Fran away F. (110)
Friday March 7, 2014, 6:07 pm
Noted. Thanks, Sherri.
 

Terry King (108)
Friday March 7, 2014, 6:08 pm
BTW... I want my eight minutes back!
 

Lynn C. (94)
Friday March 7, 2014, 6:44 pm
Well done video Thank you Sherri.
 

Bryan Bates (7)
Friday March 7, 2014, 7:01 pm
You must be kidding that chemtrails help the environment. So that means the pollution out there if you put more pollution out there it will help WHAT why can't they just ask me or someone with the brains I have to say that I have the solution to the pollution problem pat pending. Look the simple things out there are the solutions to the greatest problems. We don't need chemtrails!
 

Geoff P. (14)
Friday March 7, 2014, 7:57 pm
Some people will believe anything and as the old saying goes their is one born very minute.
 

Sheila Baker (0)
Friday March 7, 2014, 10:03 pm
Very interestring comments. Thank you
 

Roxi M. (51)
Friday March 7, 2014, 11:51 pm
Well, it appears no matter how many sites are mentioned, this is still a tin foil hat issue, exhausting. Almost as much fun as a 'jet engine mechanic suddenly becoming a UC physisct and engineer, and I just trust Wikipedia like the Bible, so whos not looking outside wondering where the blue in blue sky has gone, or why is it the entire world seems to have the same trail dispersed cloud cover and if you are not yet convinced something is going on, go to agriculturedefencecoalition, aircrap.org and geoengineeringwatch.org to see the evidence. This is not a political thing, it's a simple question, 'where is the blue sky'?
 

Roxi M. (51)
Saturday March 8, 2014, 12:19 am
http://aircrap.org go there, see for yourself.
 

Sherri G. (111)
Saturday March 8, 2014, 2:48 am
Regan, What exactly does all this have to do with your observations and looking up? Actually Roxi, Dandelion, or anyone can comment anything they like just as you have. You can't have it both ways Regan when you tell Roxi that HAARP is open to public visits which requires observation that you trust but haven't seen yourself and then say people who observe checkerboard skies observations are bogus. Fleet Week invites the public on deck to see their aircraft carriers. Is that what you mean Regan about HAARP not being a weapon? Observations apparently do matter to you sometimes. What about your own observation you didn't cite any of those? Thank You for your comment.
 

Sherri G. (111)
Saturday March 8, 2014, 2:53 am
John S. Thank You for your comment John. Yes, you are right there are checkerboard skies in Europe, China, and more. I will post some of those photos (country specific) next week.
 

Sherri G. (111)
Saturday March 8, 2014, 3:45 am
Regan, Taxpayers support most large corporate entities in this country. Case in point is Google who was recently exposed on cable news for getting subsidies to pay for their corporate jets. The price of jet fuel is about $8/gal and they were paying $2.50/gal that amounted to Google saving millions of dollars. Thank You for your comment.
 

Dandelion G. (381)
Saturday March 8, 2014, 6:30 am
Thank you for your link to Forbes. I got the figure from NASA. Also my information is from American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Geophysical Union, American Medical Association, American Chemical Society, American Meteorological Society, American Physical Society, The Geological Society of America, and U.S. National Academy of Sciences. I know nothing of these lizards some are speaking about and not sure how that fits into this conversation. I assure you none of the agencies I have mentioned are speaking about craziness.

The following page lists the nearly 200 worldwide scientific organizations that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human action. http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php

A signed statement that follows was made on Oct. 21, 2009

Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver.
These conclusions are based on multiple independent lines of evidence, and contrary assertions are inconsistent with an objective assessment of the vast body of peer-reviewed science. Moreover, there is strong evidence that ongoing climate change will have broad impacts on society, including the global economy and on the environment. For the United States, climate change impacts include sea level rise for coastal
states, greater threats of extreme weather events, and increased risk of regional water scarcity, urban heat waves, western wildfires, and the disturbance of biological systems throughout the country. The severity
of climate change impacts is expected to increase substantially in the coming decades.

If we are to avoid the most severe impacts of climate change, emissions of greenhouse gases must be dramatically reduced. In addition, adaptation will be necessary to address those impacts that are already
unavoidable. Adaptation efforts include improved infrastructure design, more sustainable management of water and other natural resources, modified agricultural practices, and improved emergency responses to
storms, floods, fires and heat waves.

We in the scientific community offer our assistance to inform your deliberations as you seek to address the impacts of climate change.
By the following:
American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Chemical Society, American Geophysical, Union, American Institute of Biological Sciences, American Meteorological Society, American Society of
Agronomy, American Society of Plant, Biologists American Statistical Association, Association of Ecosystem
Research Centers, Botanical Society of America, Crop Science Society of America, Ecological Society of America, Natural Science Collections Alliance, Organization of Biological Field Stations, Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics, Society of Systematic, Biologists Soil Science Society of America, University Corporation for Atmospheric Research

Now I suppose I could place thousands of documentations as to the fact Global Warming is happening, that the main reason is man made doings, for we have treated our environment like it was a sewer. That some Agency thinking it might be a good thing to try to negate the affects would do spraying, after all they've been seeding the clouds for a long time to create rain, so why not to slow down the global warming do spraying that they had hoped would work.

That there are lots of Scientists that have been documenting the geo engineering going on, from taking samples of the water, land, and plants before and after these sprays, that airplanes could and would carry this one if someone paid them to do so is not beyond belief, that this would be kept quiet and not let employees know of these things is also not beyond belief, it happens all the time, employees not told many things that may harm them or even if it does not directly harm them might indirectly harm them or others. Many have worked with various chemicals that they were not informed about that had health impacts, or those who made the various parts to the bomb that dropped on Japan during WWII, those who worked with asbestos even though that was knowledge to the manufacturer but wasn't shared with the employees who used it. Our troops suffering from the affects of Agent Orange for years with denials that it was all in their head or their tour had nothing to do in their current health issues. Happens all the time that employees are not told things....that doesn't mean it isn't or doesn't happen.

When it comes to my health, the health of my children, and the protection of our environment, I'd rather err on the side of caution and with the backing of so many Agencies around the world that have also come on board to these things, then I am more inclined to go to where the Science is leading me. But I suppose as long as one person claims otherwise, then it is always going to add doubt to the situation, doesn't matter how much is done for research to the contrary, no matter if 99% were on board, it seems that as long as 1% still attach to this is not happening, then we'll always have this back and forth conversation. I'm sure when the Explorers returned to say they didn't fall off the end of the Earth there were those that felt they still hadn't gone far enough and in their minds were sure the world was still flat.



 

Frank S. (454)
Saturday March 8, 2014, 1:34 pm
First of all, I wish to say that I don’t know anything about this type of pollution. However, asbestos was not known to cause cancer when it was first invented as this was not found out until science finally caught on about the danger! So with this in mind, it is nonsense “to agree whole heartedly” with the science of today that no such pollution exists. Now, I have stated this universal truth before, and that is that everything in life is always in flux. Can the level of scientific knowledge that existed in the caveman era be the same as the level of scientific knowledge which exists today? Can the scientific knowledge of today be at the same level as the scientific knowledge ten thousand years from now? Then how can anyone state for a fact that chemtrails or any other of countless new ways of polluting the earth does not exist? By the way, there is no set point in time where our scientific knowledge will ever be perfect so as to we know for sure whether something is or isn’t polluting the earth, as we are always acquiring “new knowledge” upon our voyage throughout this life.


Exhibit #1

Millions Were Exposed — Were You?

“30 million homes have asbestos (vermiculite) attic insulation”- ewg.org
http://www.ewg.org/asbestos/facts/fact4.php

 

Ros G. (88)
Saturday March 8, 2014, 4:20 pm
Thanks for the post Sherri...must admit.. I did start to watch the video..Chemtrails is not a term used here (Oz) but "Cloud Seeding" does happen here in Australia has done for decades..it produces rain..I always thought..not to keep things dry as was stated..stopped after that..that being said our atmosphere is becoming more and more polluted each year with all sorts of "stuff" by Industry and Governments...

Thanks Frank for being an optimist thinking ahead to ..... ten thousand years time.
 

Sherri G. (111)
Sunday March 9, 2014, 12:15 am
Thank You Roger for your comment. You didn't mention what you observe daily when you look up. Do you trust your own observations? Never hurts to be aware. No one is trying to convince you of anything one way or the other.
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday March 9, 2014, 6:38 pm

I have posted both the full THRIVE movie and a few of their articles. Their information can be intoxicating. I do not believe the general think that chem-trails are phosgene. That would not kill with discrimination but by this point in time would have killed all small insects, birds, lizards and made the very young and elderly critically ill if not dead. Phosgene is also known as mustard gas and was first used in WWI. Is there toxic spraying, yes and we know that, but to the degree that mass spraying of phosgene is real, I remain unconvinced. Many things are done in the name of profit and we would be fools to think that Monsanto has our best interest in mind.
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday March 9, 2014, 6:46 pm

Frank is correct, just a few years ago (about 40) we thought that asbestos was great for insulation. Back then little was questioned and maybe now that we question almost everything we are much better off. I want to be thoroughly convinced something is real and I want to then examine what I as a citizen can do. One of the problems with chem trails is that people making observations without fact based knowledge are easily fooled. A friend of mine returned from a trip to OK with exciting news about planes making X's and spraying poison on us. I told her the X's were not correct and to look for T's - DFW airport is not that far away, once we were outside for a while she could clearly discern the T's shapes. The power of suggestion should not be disregarded nor should we depend on the goodness and mercy of corporations or our government. I just want real fact based information, something I can run through a Chemical chart and understand. Again, I do not accept that Phosgene is being used.
 

Kit B. (277)
Sunday March 9, 2014, 6:47 pm

I did watch the video all 8 minutes though I have seen it before.
 

Roxi M. (51)
Tuesday March 11, 2014, 4:12 pm
This is Dr Stangelove killing the planet to save it way of thinking. But we humans don't do those kind of thingsssss....wait, wait, we DO. Please go to as many sites as possible to educate yourself, and share the info in as unemotional way possible. This topic, geoengineering, and HAARP, too, carry so much baggage and bad news it MUST be hokum, right? No. These topics are very much, way past, out there, beyond frightening and have to be approached in an objective mind set. Please don't allow politics, religion or emotions into the discussion. Find out what you can so YOU may know what the wonders and horrors of our last 250 years have wrought. Educate yourself and know.
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Saturday April 12, 2014, 5:48 pm
Sherri, I certainly watched since I was the one who introduced this to you and l look forward to the rest!! I apologize for my lateness but since moving been busy busy..anyhow... I thank you for taking thme to research it and sharing it with us.

I have to say if people are so narrow minded and tunnel visioned to think their arent other life forms in the universe AND on this planet, and that their govt wouldn't go as far as to try and play God with the weather, I really feel sorry for them. There IS proof of what they are doing..CONTROL, IMO, is the objective..of the world resources, etc...You think Monsanto isn't part of this? IT IS a conspiracy and if you want to keep your head up your ass as the rich get richer and people get sicker, that's your choice. ANYTHING is possible and that you dont see that is sad,

off to watch part 2
 

cathie S. (149)
Monday July 28, 2014, 12:35 am
Thank you
 
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