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A CIA Hand in An American 'Coup'?


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: cover-up, republicans, democrats, politics, CIA, ethics )

Yvonne
- 733 days ago - readersupportednews.org
"Carter was a Utopian. He believed, honestly, that you must do the right thing and take your chance on the consequences. He told me that. He literally believed that." Copeland spit out the words with a mixture of amazement and disgust.



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Yvonne White (233)
Monday August 26, 2013, 9:20 pm
"Carter really believed in all the principles that we talk about in the West," Copeland said "As smart as Carter is, he did believe in Mom, apple pie and the corner drug store. And those things that are good in America are good everywhere else..."Carter, I say, was not a stupid man." Carter had an even worse flaw: "He was a principled man."
 

TomCat S. (217)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 1:49 am
So was Kennedy. That is why he is dead.
 

Gene Jacobson (265)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 6:07 am
"The U.S. government decries leaks, but the other side of the story is that key chapters of American history are hidden from the public for decades and maybe forever. The CIA has just admitted its 1953 Iran coup and may never acknowledge a role in ousting Jimmy Carter in 1980, Robert Parry reports."

This is EXACTLY why a whistle blower law and real protection is needed. The government can "classify" anything, at will, until all of the people involved are long dead. I've said it a million times but it is so true. If the government of the people cannot conduct the people's business in the LIGHT of day, then it is doing something most likely it should not be doing and knows the public outcry would be immense. This was long suspected, the CIA's involvement in Iran, it is an EVIL organization, completely untrustworthy, and has been used to prop up dictatorships the world over, extreme right wing governments, dictators, that the American people would never support, but our "leaders" (think Nixon/Kissinger) determined that because they were not communist they were preferable, supported coups, supplied weapons and is responsible for untold deaths and tortures.

If you are doing something you would not want the public to know, then you are doing something you should not be doing. If you cannot conduct diplomacy in the light of day then you are doing something you should not be doing. Our government lies to us on a routine basis because it would be shamed were the truth to come out. This is not the government of a free people, nor how free people should act. We need accountablity in our leadership and transparency in ALL governmental dealings. No secret deals negotiated in the dark, those are NOT good policy nor good deals. If it cannot be known by the people, it should NOT be done. I am so tired of the world hating us for things our government does in the dark of night from drone attacks to destablizing governments, to supplying terrorists with weapons, to supporting dictators who brutalize their own people. We ARE better than this and we damn well ought start acting like it.

 

Barbara K. (70)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 6:15 am
It is a shame that when we get an honest president, the Rethugs have to find a way to kill him or smash him and keep the hate and crookedness going. Wonder what threats Obama is living under, not being able to do all the things he had wanted to do for this country. It is sad to think that our wonderful government is no better than any other one.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 7:15 am

The "CIA within the CIA" a rogue agency that acts with or without the knowledge or direction of the president. This is an excellent article, and no Jimmy Carter was never a stupid man, a principled and honest man, yes he is. Carter is the first president that used his office after retirement to see his visions come to fruition, Clinton followed that example with the Clinton initiative. If all presidents did this the world would be in better shape. Maybe these so called "secret operations" would begin to dissolve.

Just as this article is available to anyone that wishes to know the background of this history, so to are the books referenced. We are only as "in the dark" as we chose to be, the information is out there for those who want to read and learn. Thanks Yvonne, very good choice of articles.
 

Caitlin Mac Iver (104)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 10:54 am
We've got a lot of work to do to improve the US government and our society which has been ruined by the dishonesty and greed that this form of capitalism rewards. It is a shame that a principled person like Jimmy Carter can't make it in our government because he's just not dishonest enough. Disgusting! We're in a lot of trouble, aren't we! It's a real shame that we've also encouraged the rest of the world to be as dishonest as we are! It may be just "human nature" but the "common" man and woman seem to have a greater sense of honor than those who become our leaders. It reminds me of Lord Acton's dictum, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely"
 

Gene Jacobson (265)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 12:48 pm
"So was Kennedy. That is why he is dead."

You know, TomCat, I agree. That article is just nauseating and if it can be proven, those who are still alive ought be charged with everything possible that the statute of limitations has not run out on. We had three intellectual, moral giants living amongst in the 60's when I was growing up. JFK, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, all assassinated and one can certainly see how, particularly the latter two, would be perceived as a threat by the military-industrial complex, Hoover's FBI, and the CIA. I didn't like Bobby when he was his brother's AG, I thought him an arrogant man, but he underwent a transformation as true and pure as any man ever has after he left office. His collection of essays, To Seek A Newer World, and his public transformation came about as I went from 12 to 18 when he was killed a few months after I'd entered the army in 1968. He inspired me personally perhaps more than any other man because until he came along, just as I was metamorphizing, I did not believe a rich man could have a moral conscience (grew up quite poor, I did). But as in this excerpt from his Wikipedia page,

"Kennedy stood on a platform of racial and economic justice, non-aggression in foreign policy, decentralization of power and social improvement. A crucial element to his campaign was an engagement with the young, whom he identified as being the future of a reinvigorated American society based on partnership and equality. Kennedy's policy objectives did not sit well with the business world, in which he was viewed as something of a fiscal liability, opposed as they were to the tax increases necessary to fund such programs of social improvement. At one of his university speeches (Indiana University Medical School) he was asked, "Where are we going to get the money to pay for all these new programs you're proposing?" Kennedy replied to the medical students, about to enter lucrative careers, "From you."[30][87] It was this intense and frank mode of dialogue with which Kennedy was to continue to engage those whom he viewed as not being traditional allies of Democratic ideals or initiatives. In a speech at the University of Alabama, he argued, "I believe that any who seek high office this year must go before all Americans: not just those who agree with them, but also those who disagree; recognizing that it is not just our supporters, not just those who vote for us, but all Americans, who we must lead in the difficult years ahead."

He shed the trappings of his wealth and heritage and became a tireless advocate for Native Americans and African Americans. Yeah, he was a threat to the established order as was his brother, as was Dr. King. Isn't just awful that when truly great personages arise among us we kill them? Or our seamy underbelly does? And not just in this country, the world over. That darkness, which exists the world over more than other cause, is what has kept us from becoming a true civilization. We must stop killing those who could lead us out of the darkness, we just must.
 

Yvonne White (233)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 1:22 pm
Amen Gene! The problem with being a "light in the darkness" is that the light is any easy target!
I think this was the first time it was OBVIOUS that RepubliCONs manipulated & CONtrolled events - with Iran releasing the hostages that were left on Inauguration Day. But another Major thing left out of the article was that Big OIL & Government Insiders also Lied to Carter about oil reserves & pushed gas prices to outrageous highs - as soon as Reagan got in they dropped again & the car manufacturers never Really had to produce fuel efficient cars until lately.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (466)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 6:42 pm
Flashback: The Martin Luther King Conspiracy Exposed in Memphis

http://www.care2.com/news/member/911530155/3559047

This is a Care2 News Item from me, that got printed on the Front Page!

"Conspiracy Theorists" are called "Truthers" and made fun of - good way to ignore them!
Then, much later, as people have said, the Truth DOES come out, but nobody is around who really cares that much any more...
If you live to be 100, you might learn something... by then, of course, tho, there will be OTHER "hidden" murders, plots, assassinations, coups, conspiracies, lies...
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (466)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 7:10 pm
This review is from:
JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters
by James T. Douglass
"Along with over ten years of meticulous research and one hundred pages of footnotes (worth reading), this book has soul.
For those tempted to despair that our national leaders are not capable of turning our nation toward peace, this book tells us how it has already happened. John F. Kennedy was taking stands for peace that risked his life as well as his presidency and it seems that the nation hardly noticed. For those who are willing to engage in hard-headed thinking and research, this book will belie the ho-hum assumption that we will never know why Kennedy was killed nor who is responsible. We can know and we need to know as citizens.
If you can read only one book on the life of JFK, this is it. "
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In this book by James Douglass, I am mentioned - I was interviewed for this book, by Jim, for my knowledge about the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, which while I was Chairing it in Seattle, its National Headquarters {in NewYorkCity} were completely taken over as a CIA Front Group. I figured this out PARTLY, at the time, then LATER, got the whole picture. Lee Harvey Oswald was definitely a CIA agent, and a patsy. [My name appears in the book on page 404, in the footnotes!]

Jim Douglass is the author of the article on Martin Luther King's assassination.
Jim is a well-known Author and Peace Activist and Leader, known to many Care2 members in and around Washington State for a long time. His reputation for Integrity and for Truth-searching is absolutely spotless!
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By the way, I am currently reading a book from the Library, "The Rebellious Life of Mrs. Rosa Parks", by Jeanne Theoharis. Very interesting view of how MLK got his start and developed his philosophy of non-violence; along with biographical information and Movement information I haven't seen before. VERY highly recommend this book, which has just come out.
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (466)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 7:22 pm
Per James W. Douglass book, "JFK & the Unspeakable," all these "Kennedy escalations" cited are numerously notated with supporting documentation that show that,

"Kennedy was loosing control of his government. In early Sept, he discovered that another key decision related to a coup had been made without his knowledge.

A White House meeting with the president was discussing whether or not to cut off the Commodity Import Program that propped up South Vietnam's economy. It was a far-reaching decision. For the US to withdraw the AID program could prompt a coup against Diem.

David Bell, head of AID, made a casual comment that stopped the discussion. He said, 'There's no point in talking about cutting off commodity aid. I've already cut it off.'

'You've done what?' said JFK.

'Cut off commodity aid,' said Bell.

'Who the hell told you to do that/' asked the president.

'No one,' said Bell. 'It's an automatic policy. We do it whenever we have differences with a client government.'

Kennedy shook his head in dismay.

'My God, do you know what you've done?' said the president.

He was staring at David Bell, but seeing a deeper realty. Kennedy knew Bell's agency, AID, functioned as a CIA front. AID administrator David Bell would not have carried out his 'automatic' cutoff without CIA approval. []

Most of all, the message was meant for the man staring at David Bell in disbelief. He was being told who was in control. It was not the president. (Ibid, p. 192)
 

Yvonne White (233)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 9:06 pm
Thanks for the link BMutiny! I never understood how a Former CIA chief got to be Vice Pres. & then Pres. SO soon after Watergate!!! I couldn't believe Baby Boomers would vote for That..but maybe THEY didn't need to..?
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (466)
Tuesday August 27, 2013, 10:16 pm
In USA, former CIA chief got to be Vice Pres & then Pres.
And in Russia, former KGB chief got to be President.
[And then linked up with the Russian Orthodox Church, as well as with American Religious Right-wing Bigot Scott Lively, to start persecuting the Hell out of Russia's Gay Population.]

Lots goin' on behind the scenes, in both countries!
 

Yvonne White (233)
Wednesday August 28, 2013, 2:32 pm
Exactly! Why would Russians seemingly Welcome a "new Stalin"??? Reich-wing insanity is a plague on the World!:(
 

Terrie Williams (784)
Sunday September 1, 2013, 1:32 am
It is all corrupt, that is why they few who are not corrupt or haven't been corrupted are either dead or pushed out of power like Carter. That is the way of the world since Man began. We have not evolved beyond the might makes right mentality, from greed, from self-centeredness, et al. We will not evolve any further than we are now and if these sociopathic, power-hungry imbeciles get their way, Man will be but a species on the historical dung heap in more ways than one.....but maybe that won't be such a bad thing...for the rest of fauna and flora anyway.

My, morose this early in the AM aren't I?!!.......
 

Yvonne White (233)
Sunday September 1, 2013, 3:28 pm
Jeez Terrie, didja go off coffee cold turkey?;) LOL! But, yeah, we're all going to hell in a hand basket..so buckle up!:)
 
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